WEBVTT - Nothings off Limits - Physical wellbeing, fitness and nutrition (Ep1) 0:00:03.930 --> 0:00:08.100 Nothing's off limits. Things off limits, bringing together experts and 0:00:08.100 --> 0:00:11.340 people with lived experience to discuss the topics we love 0:00:11.340 --> 0:00:14.800 to avoid but absolutely need to talk about made with 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:18.930 the support of Vision Australia and the NDIS Information Linkages 0:00:18.930 --> 0:00:21.720 Capability Building Grant Building grants. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.260 Hello and welcome to the show where nothing's off limits. 0:00:28.380 --> 0:00:31.410 My name is Tess. I'm with my co-host Polly over 0:00:31.410 --> 0:00:34.440 the next 10 episodes. We're going to be delving into 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.580 some subjects, which we might usually consider off limits, discussing 0:00:38.580 --> 0:00:41.820 them openly and honestly and through the specific lens of 0:00:41.820 --> 0:00:43.350 blindness and low vision. 0:00:43.530 --> 0:00:46.230 And to help us, we brought together a bevy of 0:00:46.229 --> 0:00:49.050 expert guests to explore some of the questions which I've 0:00:49.050 --> 0:00:52.020 always wanted to ask on subjects that matter to you. 0:00:52.050 --> 0:00:53.880 And a huge thanks to those of you who got 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:55.530 in touch to tell us what you want to know. 0:00:55.680 --> 0:01:00.540 Subjects we'll be covering include dating and relationships, appearance and 0:01:00.540 --> 0:01:04.560 body image, mental health, physical well-being, and much more. Each 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.800 episode of Nothing's Off Limits is available to download from 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.730 the Vision Australia website. Just go to Vision Australia dot org. 0:01:11.730 --> 0:01:15.630 That's Vision Australia dot org type. Nothing's off limits into 0:01:15.630 --> 0:01:17.670 the search engine, and you will be directed to a 0:01:17.670 --> 0:01:20.759 web page where you can view this and other episodes 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:22.950 and do make sure you subscribe to make sure you 0:01:22.950 --> 0:01:25.410 don't miss any or else. If you prefer, you can 0:01:25.410 --> 0:01:27.420 tune in via Vision Australia radio. 0:01:27.630 --> 0:01:32.370 Today, we're talking about physical wellbeing, fitness and nutrition. There's 0:01:32.370 --> 0:01:36.750 an abundance of evidence around the importance of physical wellbeing 0:01:36.750 --> 0:01:41.459 for everybody exercise and good nutrition, supporting better cardiovascular health 0:01:41.459 --> 0:01:44.070 and blood pressure. And there are lots of fitness options 0:01:44.069 --> 0:01:48.000 out there. Whether it's the gym, Pilarte, his classes or 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.270 sports developed or adapted for those with a visual impairment 0:01:51.270 --> 0:01:55.500 such as goalball, swish line cricket and even blind Aussie 0:01:55.500 --> 0:01:58.920 rules football. And there are additional positive outcomes of taking 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.410 part in physical activity. If you are blind or have 0:02:01.410 --> 0:02:06.630 low vision that relate to balance mobility, mental wellbeing, no falls, 0:02:06.630 --> 0:02:11.310 muscle strength, flexibility and gait. But a 2018 study published 0:02:11.310 --> 0:02:15.660 in the British Medical Journal found that compared with sighted individuals, 0:02:15.660 --> 0:02:18.480 people with visual impairment have a higher prevalence of chronic 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.260 conditions and lower levels of physical activity. Tests does that 0:02:22.260 --> 0:02:23.100 surprise you? 0:02:23.430 --> 0:02:26.220 It doesn't mean I know someone who's blind how hard 0:02:26.220 --> 0:02:29.700 it can be to access exercise and fitness, and I 0:02:29.700 --> 0:02:33.000 guess it's it can be an uncomfortable, uncomfortable area for 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:37.230 some people yet accessing ways of exercising and getting healthier 0:02:37.230 --> 0:02:39.360 for the first time. Maybe some people might feel a 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.060 bit anxious about that. We hope that this episode might 0:02:42.060 --> 0:02:43.740 provide a bit more information on that. 0:02:43.860 --> 0:02:47.550 And we asked you, what barriers have you experienced in 0:02:47.550 --> 0:02:48.480 keeping healthy? 0:02:48.810 --> 0:02:58.350 Nothing's off limits with Tess and Polly Polly. What areas 0:02:58.350 --> 0:03:00.269 have you experienced in keeping healthy? 0:03:00.540 --> 0:03:01.200 Too much good 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.240 food, too many good restaurants. Too many 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:04.890 good people to enjoy good times with 0:03:07.250 --> 0:03:10.080 a person, you haven't experienced too many barriers, so I'm 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.650 lucky in the sense that I'm fairly agile, fairly independent, 0:03:13.650 --> 0:03:15.390 so I'm probably one of the lucky ones. 0:03:16.139 --> 0:03:21.240 Apart from lockdown, probably the motivation proximity to various things, 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:22.410 the barriers I 0:03:22.410 --> 0:03:25.890 experienced in keeping healthy is just around being able to 0:03:25.889 --> 0:03:28.739 access the types of activities that I enjoy 0:03:29.220 --> 0:03:32.100 very many years. I didn't feel very confident getting out 0:03:32.100 --> 0:03:34.440 and about in my community. I still find it a 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.990 bit challenging. You know, someone says there's a great yoga 0:03:36.990 --> 0:03:39.210 class and it's three suburbs away and it's on a 0:03:39.210 --> 0:03:41.550 Monday night. I have to kind of think that through 0:03:41.550 --> 0:03:43.320 and go, Am I actually going to be able to 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.950 do that? A and B the journey to the and 0:03:46.950 --> 0:03:49.350 from there going to be so stressful that the yoga 0:03:49.350 --> 0:03:51.780 class and they're going to be worth it. I would 0:03:51.780 --> 0:03:55.740 say that that's probably my biggest barrier, just terrible memories 0:03:55.740 --> 0:03:58.320 of being made to try and play sport as a 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.140 child with a vision impairment, ball sports. 0:04:01.140 --> 0:04:09.870 Like what the hell? It's probably laziness, not squawking as 0:04:09.870 --> 0:04:12.300 much as I should. When we had two hours limited 0:04:12.300 --> 0:04:15.390 exercise period during lockdown, you made yourself go and do 0:04:15.390 --> 0:04:18.030 it because you only had that limited time frame. Well, 0:04:18.029 --> 0:04:22.140 I don't like exercise. That's the bottom line. So for me, 0:04:22.140 --> 0:04:24.810 the barriers have been about finding something that I can 0:04:24.810 --> 0:04:27.570 do independently and that I enjoy. And so while you 0:04:27.570 --> 0:04:30.720 might be able to do some exercise independently, like on 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.820 the treadmill and things like that, others find it boring. 0:04:32.940 --> 0:04:36.779 I have really worked to try and find something that 0:04:36.779 --> 0:04:39.640 I can do independently again in terms of eating well. 0:04:39.660 --> 0:04:42.930 I think over time that's become easier because you can 0:04:42.930 --> 0:04:46.380 now read much more packaging information on foods than you 0:04:46.380 --> 0:04:48.840 used to be able to. I do ballroom dancing, which 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.030 is good exercise, but I like it, and that's the 0:04:51.029 --> 0:04:52.289 main reason I do it because I like 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.820 nothing's off limits. With Tess and Polly, 0:04:57.330 --> 0:05:00.030 I think we all have areas that we can recognise 0:05:00.029 --> 0:05:00.359 there 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.660 to help us explore this topic further. I'm delighted to 0:05:03.660 --> 0:05:07.349 welcome our first guest, Jason Weiter. Jason is a low 0:05:07.350 --> 0:05:11.370 vision body builder and a volunteer at Vision Australia, all 0:05:11.370 --> 0:05:15.330 alongside his day job as a director of his own 0:05:15.330 --> 0:05:18.030 real estate company. Jason, thanks for joining us. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.659 Thank you for having me on a pilot episode. Certainly, 0:05:21.660 --> 0:05:22.770 community was so 0:05:22.770 --> 0:05:25.969 thrilled to have you on. And thank you, so, Jason, 0:05:25.970 --> 0:05:28.070 can you maybe start by telling us a bit about 0:05:28.070 --> 0:05:30.529 the role that physical exercise has played in your life? 0:05:30.779 --> 0:05:33.109 Sure. So it's been a big part of my life. 0:05:33.529 --> 0:05:37.070 Growing up from the age of eight, I started taking 0:05:37.070 --> 0:05:40.400 parts and all sorts of sports that was somewhat Cricket 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:45.560 Australia rules rugby in appealing getting to American football, you know, athletics. 0:05:45.950 --> 0:05:48.650 I loved everything that got me active and also outdoors, 0:05:48.860 --> 0:05:51.800 going probably about 17. I would say that I got 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.680 into bodybuilding. I found weightlifting. That really made a change 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.950 to the way I had my outlook on physical activity. 0:05:58.130 --> 0:06:01.640 In all that, the changes that you know, everybody goes 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.810 through when you start lifting weights, as I call it, 0:06:03.820 --> 0:06:05.930 or what they call new me and really made me 0:06:05.930 --> 0:06:08.720 want to take it further. So at that point in time, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.359 I started trying to enter a bodybuilding competition which seemed 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.070 to have become a gym junkie house, going to the 0:06:13.070 --> 0:06:14.900 gym three times a day. So I would pretty much 0:06:14.900 --> 0:06:16.610 be wake up in the morning, go down the gym, 0:06:16.610 --> 0:06:18.410 drill bit of training, go to work, get back to 0:06:18.410 --> 0:06:20.539 the gym at lunchtime, there'll be more training, go back 0:06:20.540 --> 0:06:22.700 to work and then on the way home, stop at 0:06:22.700 --> 0:06:25.580 the gym again and do more. And that was almost 0:06:25.580 --> 0:06:27.710 every day I would be doing that. My whole life 0:06:27.710 --> 0:06:30.010 revolved around me being in the gym. From there, I 0:06:30.460 --> 0:06:33.320 felt that, well, why not get into a career and 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.710 become a personal trainer at some point? Then obviously our 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.860 own had complications from diabetes that stopped me from playing. 0:06:39.860 --> 0:06:43.520 Sports and training had impact on my blood pressure, and 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.400 it was a complications from the diabetes that affected my eyesight. 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.290 So as a point in my life, I was completely 0:06:48.290 --> 0:06:52.279 blind and had had some operations done and that we 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.410 have to fight a little bit of the issue somewhat. 0:06:54.410 --> 0:06:57.920 Somehow some are back, but that didn't stop me from training, 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:59.690 other than the fact that I had to go for 0:06:59.690 --> 0:07:02.000 a kidney and pancreas transplant and recover from that. 0:07:02.510 --> 0:07:05.240 Were there any barriers that you found? Kind of. I mean, 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.730 it sounds like you never stepped away far from fitness, 0:07:07.730 --> 0:07:12.380 but kind of approaching it after you'd experience vision loss. 0:07:12.380 --> 0:07:14.840 Were there any barriers that you came up across that 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:16.190 you didn't have before? 0:07:16.370 --> 0:07:18.530 And one of the biggest challenges I think I faced 0:07:18.530 --> 0:07:20.970 was convincing my specialists to allow me to go into 0:07:20.970 --> 0:07:23.480 the gym. Yes, I've been saying it's just not a 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.450 safe environment, and I understand it's not when you're in 0:07:26.450 --> 0:07:28.840 the gym, you're one of those people training and there's 0:07:29.060 --> 0:07:31.190 people that will leave weights on the floor and not worry, 0:07:31.220 --> 0:07:34.330 which represents a lift. And then the next thing that 0:07:34.340 --> 0:07:37.460 always happens to avoid touching a bars that are hanging 0:07:37.460 --> 0:07:38.869 over your head, you're going to hit them and you're 0:07:38.870 --> 0:07:42.590 going to have to buy machines. And so it's important 0:07:42.590 --> 0:07:45.740 to find ways around that, that challenge. And what were 0:07:45.740 --> 0:07:48.380 some of your strategies? Well, I end up getting an 0:07:48.380 --> 0:07:49.870 hour to coming to the gym and have a look 0:07:49.890 --> 0:07:52.790 at the licensing that they can do. They can't predict 0:07:52.820 --> 0:07:54.350 that people are going to lose weight, which I'm I 0:07:54.350 --> 0:07:56.780 started two years prior to having support workers there. I 0:07:56.780 --> 0:07:59.660 would just use my cane to navigate around as long 0:07:59.660 --> 0:08:02.480 as they were memorizing, where all the overhanging bars could 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.600 be or would be just ensuring walking safely around them 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:10.540 and really using, you know, your hearing to identify people nearby. 0:08:10.550 --> 0:08:12.350 So I would hear someone training next to me. So 0:08:12.350 --> 0:08:14.330 I know they're there. And these options are and you 0:08:14.330 --> 0:08:16.760 can also have a shirt that let people know that 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.800 you have low vision or you're blind. So you know 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.020 you could just for a one morning sort of signs. 0:08:21.140 --> 0:08:23.240 And if you've got a cane, people will keep their 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.550 distance generally and then you might go to is quite 0:08:25.550 --> 0:08:27.890 small and we all know each other, say they will 0:08:27.950 --> 0:08:30.560 they walk out from anyway, just really great. And then 0:08:30.770 --> 0:08:32.719 I have a personal trainer as well who monitors me. 0:08:32.900 --> 0:08:35.630 And that was especially important during COVID because I was 0:08:35.630 --> 0:08:38.359 training at my own home gym and he would always 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.090 identify hazards that were in my area. Morsi was training 0:08:41.090 --> 0:08:45.530 me over Zoom. You know, we managed to avoid those, 0:08:45.980 --> 0:08:47.930 I guess, those little things that most people would see 0:08:47.929 --> 0:08:50.780 as barriers. I won't say that self-image is one that 0:08:50.990 --> 0:08:53.810 I'm worried about me being fit and health is more 0:08:53.809 --> 0:08:55.550 important than what I look like or what a lot 0:08:55.550 --> 0:08:58.699 of other people. So I don't have a full lifting 0:08:58.700 --> 0:09:01.069 weights as long as I'm out with those weights and 0:09:01.070 --> 0:09:03.260 I do training groups as well. So I won't say 0:09:03.260 --> 0:09:05.510 it hasn't had that much of an impact on me 0:09:05.820 --> 0:09:06.680 being able to train. 0:09:07.070 --> 0:09:11.450 So when you lost your vision, Jason, you obviously had 0:09:11.570 --> 0:09:15.770 quite a background in health and fitness. What advice would 0:09:15.980 --> 0:09:17.839 you give to somebody who's blind or has low vision 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:22.579 who doesn't have that background knowledge already of physical, physical 0:09:22.580 --> 0:09:23.990 health and fitness practices? 0:09:24.100 --> 0:09:26.540 OK, well, if you're not currently taking any physical activity 0:09:26.540 --> 0:09:29.150 or taking part, I recommend doing something and that could 0:09:29.150 --> 0:09:32.600 just be, you know, walking. I'm Daniel Hall for a 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:33.800 little bit if you've got a whole way or some 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.229 space because you know it's the feeling you give it, 0:09:36.230 --> 0:09:39.410 not just physically but mentally. And I think more so mentally, 0:09:39.950 --> 0:09:42.750 you're doing physical activity, the Bundesliga playing for your body. 0:09:42.750 --> 0:09:45.020 Are you getting oxygen to your mind? And it helps 0:09:45.020 --> 0:09:48.620 you think clearly it helps you help your mental illness. 0:09:48.630 --> 0:09:52.699 And also one he's taking part in some form of activity, 0:09:52.700 --> 0:09:55.670 particularly in a sedentary lifestyle. It's, you know, it does 0:09:55.670 --> 0:09:57.500 wonders to your lifestyle. But then if you want to 0:09:57.500 --> 0:10:00.320 take a photo, you want to have a purpose to 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.330 your activity. Find out what that reason is. Why are 0:10:02.330 --> 0:10:04.790 you taking part in exercise, what you want to achieve? 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.160 So is it that you just want to feel fitter 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.770 in yourself? Or is it that you want to actually 0:10:09.770 --> 0:10:13.310 feel stronger or, you know, so identifying the reasons behind 0:10:13.309 --> 0:10:16.390 it and then identifying what you need to do that? 0:10:16.390 --> 0:10:17.540 So do you need to get to a gym or 0:10:17.540 --> 0:10:19.219 can you do it in a park? Do you need 0:10:19.220 --> 0:10:21.380 a personal trainer or can you just do it with 0:10:21.380 --> 0:10:24.069 a friend or support worker? Things like that. And. You 0:10:24.070 --> 0:10:26.350 need special equipment, do not need special them, and they 0:10:26.380 --> 0:10:28.600 once be identified, my sort of thing, take the next 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.120 steps and actually go out for the membership. Take those 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.010 first steps that lead to the next step and so 0:10:33.010 --> 0:10:33.550 on and so on. 0:10:33.610 --> 0:10:36.520 And physical health is also down to nutrition, and I 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:39.460 know that's something that you're really passionate about. And can 0:10:39.460 --> 0:10:42.100 you share some strategies around knowing what you need from 0:10:42.100 --> 0:10:45.130 a nutritional perspective, particularly when you're shopping? 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.470 One of the biggest impacts for someone who has my 0:10:47.470 --> 0:10:50.200 vision is actually trying to read those labels on the 0:10:50.590 --> 0:10:52.530 on the cans and the food. It's like, Well, what 0:10:52.540 --> 0:10:55.260 is I mean, I think probably hard enough in FullVision 0:10:55.270 --> 0:10:57.429 to do so, but finding out why don't know what 0:10:57.429 --> 0:10:59.920 they mean. So it's great that you have all these 0:10:59.920 --> 0:11:03.190 calories or calories, all these free products. And I'm not 0:11:03.190 --> 0:11:05.530 saying I'm an expert opinion. I'm not a nutritionist, so 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.630 I can't really give advice here. But from my own 0:11:07.630 --> 0:11:10.569 personal understanding, it can be confusing. I do recommend if 0:11:10.570 --> 0:11:12.160 you want to take it to the next level, is 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:13.870 it good to talk to a dietitian to work out 0:11:13.870 --> 0:11:15.820 what you eat in your diet and then understanding the 0:11:15.820 --> 0:11:19.929 food labels? So what? What are the calories mean? What's macronutrients? 0:11:19.929 --> 0:11:23.020 What micronutrients and what? How does that body to be 0:11:23.059 --> 0:11:24.429 trying to lose weight? They say You want to be 0:11:24.429 --> 0:11:26.430 in a calorie deficit, so how do you do that? 0:11:26.450 --> 0:11:28.720 What you are going to help you do that and 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.530 eating healthy? So cleaning up your diet is really important. Again, 0:11:32.530 --> 0:11:35.380 that does not just for how you look for your 0:11:35.380 --> 0:11:38.050 mental health as well. You find you get more energy, 0:11:38.050 --> 0:11:40.600 you know, tons of blowtorch. That's all I found. And 0:11:40.660 --> 0:11:43.750 because of my transplant, I'm going to watch my diet anyway, 0:11:43.750 --> 0:11:46.420 so I can't eat regular bodybuilders diet. You know it. 0:11:46.429 --> 0:11:49.360 That doesn't make it important to find out what I 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.729 can eat. And again, that's what a dietitian comes in handy. 0:11:51.809 --> 0:11:53.920 But I think really, what these are most confusing part 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:55.929 is knowing what the labels are. I mean, it's so 0:11:55.929 --> 0:11:59.260 much information out there with YouTube influencers and all these. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.300 It's a technology that say, Well, this is what we 0:12:01.300 --> 0:12:03.100 need to be doing, and we don't actually listen to 0:12:03.220 --> 0:12:05.020 our own body. So, you know, we're going on these 0:12:05.020 --> 0:12:08.200 fad diets and then we don't see changes. So we 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:09.610 give up on that time to go to the next 0:12:09.610 --> 0:12:11.440 one or we're going to stay on it long enough 0:12:11.530 --> 0:12:14.480 because we're not getting the instant results of these influence. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.200 So you're a skinny person saying, I was on this 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:18.400 diet for a week and this is what I look 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.590 like and then it doesn't have to be here. You 0:12:20.590 --> 0:12:23.200 give up an image selection and just almost revert back 0:12:23.210 --> 0:12:25.000 into unhealthy habits again. 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.760 That's an excellent piece of advice. I think you right 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.640 about technology, but is there anything that you'd recommend any 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.800 apps or any pieces of tech that can help you 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.689 in your fitness journey? I know a lot of people 0:12:35.260 --> 0:12:37.870 resort to Fitbits as a way to motivate and track 0:12:37.870 --> 0:12:40.450 their activity. Is that something that you've used? Is there 0:12:40.450 --> 0:12:41.680 anything accessible out there? 0:12:42.130 --> 0:12:44.170 For me personally, I don't use a lot of those 0:12:44.170 --> 0:12:47.020 apps any afternoon to you, just something to record my 0:12:47.050 --> 0:12:50.520 training programs. So that's what I use called JFI. But 0:12:50.530 --> 0:12:52.630 there's plenty of them out there, and they just basically 0:12:52.630 --> 0:12:56.290 put your workout exercise in their tracks, how much lifting 0:12:56.290 --> 0:12:58.209 the number of sets of reps. And then you've also 0:12:58.210 --> 0:13:00.640 got those ones that track, you know, your calorie intake 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.400 and output. Not that I find beats. And if you 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.920 get overwhelmed with too much information, as I mentioned, we 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.229 start relying too much on that and you don't listen 0:13:08.230 --> 0:13:10.540 to your body. So you're trying to target Omaha at 0:13:10.540 --> 0:13:12.969 this range all the time, but that's not always effective 0:13:12.970 --> 0:13:14.950 for the type of training one day. I think it's 0:13:14.950 --> 0:13:18.070 important more to have some expert knowledge from a personal 0:13:18.070 --> 0:13:21.880 trainer or a doctor or allied health professional, get the 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.160 guidance from them and then stick to a plan for 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.460 at least six weeks or longer, and then to see 0:13:27.460 --> 0:13:30.910 it actually progress on that. So, you know, keeping a 0:13:30.910 --> 0:13:34.000 written diary or an HIIT progress, if it's heading in 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:35.650 the direction you want to head, then you know you're 0:13:35.650 --> 0:13:38.199 doing right. And if it's not the only reason you 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.079 need to make a change, but again, as we get 0:13:40.330 --> 0:13:42.910 some expert advice and guidance, what can make a change? 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.550 That's great advice. And I guess just just before we 0:13:45.550 --> 0:13:48.699 wind up, how do you find the expert? How do 0:13:48.700 --> 0:13:50.800 you find a dietitian? How do you find a personal 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.840 trainer and how do you find the one that's right 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:53.260 for you? 0:13:53.350 --> 0:13:55.540 That's where it's been really hard. Being someone with low 0:13:55.540 --> 0:13:58.329 vision is where do we find someone that knows what 0:13:58.330 --> 0:14:00.490 they're doing? So a lot of personal trainers don't have 0:14:00.490 --> 0:14:03.010 the patience to train someone who has location, so they 0:14:03.010 --> 0:14:05.920 may actually want to have you trained as if you 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.040 could see. And when they do take it on, you 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.480 want to make sure that they're able to, you know, 0:14:11.500 --> 0:14:15.520 audibly describe that exercise or workout you're doing. So I've 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.650 been to I've seen a lot of people trying to 0:14:17.650 --> 0:14:20.200 train people and they say, Can you get into this stance? 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.600 And that's that, you know, somebody can't say, we don't 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.820 know what this stent is. We're doing what you're doing. 0:14:24.820 --> 0:14:27.580 And I still describing it as if you ever know 0:14:27.580 --> 0:14:30.820 the exercise. So I mean, an example is if you've 0:14:30.820 --> 0:14:32.050 never done a push up in your life and then 0:14:32.050 --> 0:14:34.780 someone says gentle push up position, you're not going to 0:14:34.780 --> 0:14:36.580 know what that is. And that's what happened. It's great 0:14:36.580 --> 0:14:38.500 to see you need someone. This is what I was 0:14:38.500 --> 0:14:41.320 done with. My personal trainer is the audio descriptive thing 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.479 I'll say is basically lay flat on your chest and 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:47.410 put your arms to your sides, palms on the ground 0:14:47.410 --> 0:14:49.870 and then push out for your shoulders and elbows. Now 0:14:49.870 --> 0:14:53.440 that the audio descriptive and you can technically identify with that, 0:14:53.500 --> 0:14:55.240 and if you got to support, they can guide you 0:14:55.390 --> 0:14:58.730 alongside their personal trainer. Just trying to find that was 0:14:58.930 --> 0:15:00.700 was the hardest thing for me or trying to find 0:15:00.700 --> 0:15:03.460 any sort of physical activity so blunt. It took me 0:15:03.460 --> 0:15:05.570 a long time before I even, you know, existed. This 0:15:05.590 --> 0:15:07.540 really sports and recreation of The Good Place to go, 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.760 talk and choose different support network groups that also would place. 0:15:10.900 --> 0:15:12.640 I need sort of providers that can help you. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.400 There are wonderful things, Jason, and I think that that's 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:16.960 a great kind of tip to leave us with that. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.780 If you need more information, just keep out your trainer 0:15:19.780 --> 0:15:22.530 until they've described it properly. It's their job to do that. 0:15:22.540 --> 0:15:25.060 That's great. Thank you so, so much for joining us. 0:15:25.900 --> 0:15:28.330 It's been a fantastic interview, and all of the things 0:15:28.330 --> 0:15:30.130 that you've referenced will make sure that they're on the 0:15:30.130 --> 0:15:32.170 website as well if people want to follow up on those. 0:15:32.170 --> 0:15:35.340 But thank you so much, Jason, that was so helpful. Pleasure. 0:15:37.780 --> 0:15:40.480 You're listening to nothing is off limits with Tess and 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:44.740 Polly reduced by Vision Australia radio. Did you know? Visit 0:15:44.740 --> 0:15:48.670 Australia is Australia's largest provider of services for people with 0:15:48.670 --> 0:15:52.240 blindness and low vision. To find out more about our services, 0:15:52.570 --> 0:15:56.500 visit Vision Australia dot org or call one 800 eight 0:15:56.500 --> 0:15:58.840 four seven four six. 0:15:58.900 --> 0:16:02.500 Our second guest is Tyler Marin, and Tyler is a 0:16:02.500 --> 0:16:07.090 personal trainer and motivational speaker and three time Paralympic athlete, 0:16:07.300 --> 0:16:09.670 as well as a husband, a father and a business 0:16:09.670 --> 0:16:12.070 owner and all the way from Indiana. Is that right? 0:16:12.100 --> 0:16:15.250 Tyler, you have all the way from Indiana and the US. 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.290 Thank you so much for joining us. It's such a 0:16:17.290 --> 0:16:18.470 pleasure to have you on the show. 0:16:18.490 --> 0:16:20.710 Thank you. Absolutely. It's great to be here with you. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.110 Tyler, can you tell us a bit about your journey 0:16:23.110 --> 0:16:24.850 with fitness and exercise? 0:16:25.180 --> 0:16:28.570 I grew up in Southwest Michigan, so kind of like 0:16:28.570 --> 0:16:30.729 the Midwest of the U.S. I grew up on a 0:16:30.730 --> 0:16:35.050 farm in a pretty rural area and had a lot 0:16:35.050 --> 0:16:37.330 of space to roam. I had a lot of siblings 0:16:37.330 --> 0:16:40.780 and cousins and in the area, so we we just 0:16:40.780 --> 0:16:42.880 found a lot of things to be active with. I 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.850 was always climbing trees and digging holes and swimming in 0:16:45.850 --> 0:16:49.210 ponds and riding bikes and all kinds of stuff like that. 0:16:49.300 --> 0:16:52.330 When I was little, there were definitely some extra challenges 0:16:52.330 --> 0:16:55.570 that I faced without really understanding what was going on. 0:16:55.570 --> 0:16:59.920 So I have retinitis pigmentosa, and when I was about 0:16:59.920 --> 0:17:03.580 three years old, I was diagnosed with an underdeveloped retina 0:17:03.580 --> 0:17:07.479 and we didn't really understand what that meant at the time. 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.250 But you know, I dealt with some things like night 0:17:09.250 --> 0:17:13.119 blindness and tunnel vision, which made the ball sport kind 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.000 of challenging. Despite that, again, you know, whether all the 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.820 activity that I had going on around me coming from 0:17:18.820 --> 0:17:21.399 a family of athletes, I just grew up in an 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.119 environment where I was just always doing something physical. I 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:29.560 turned 14, 15 years old and was officially given the 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:34.629 diagnosis of retinitis pigmentosa. I started losing more vision. At 0:17:34.630 --> 0:17:37.330 that point. It's the digressive condition, so I started having 0:17:37.330 --> 0:17:39.609 trouble reading my books and things like that, seeing the 0:17:39.609 --> 0:17:42.280 chalkboard in my classroom. So I went and got tested, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.820 got that official diagnosis. And that's when I started getting 0:17:45.820 --> 0:17:49.239 services like learning how to use the cane, learning to 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.870 read braille. I was introduced to adaptive technology, and that's 0:17:52.869 --> 0:17:55.900 where I was introduced to adaptive sports as well. And 0:17:55.900 --> 0:18:00.070 so just coming from a fitness background and an athletic background, 0:18:00.100 --> 0:18:04.270 I took to Adaptive Athletic very, very quickly. I did 0:18:04.270 --> 0:18:08.379 wrestling and track and field. I went to sports education 0:18:08.380 --> 0:18:11.109 camps where I did swimming in judo and cycling. The 0:18:11.109 --> 0:18:14.169 one sport that I really picked up on was goalball 0:18:14.260 --> 0:18:19.149 accelerated at it very quickly and made the USA national 0:18:19.150 --> 0:18:22.869 Paralympic team at a pretty young age, and it really 0:18:22.869 --> 0:18:25.840 drove me to try to find out what this fitness 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.689 thing was all about. So I spent a lot of 0:18:28.690 --> 0:18:31.570 years engaging in fitness, but now I really wanted to 0:18:31.570 --> 0:18:34.210 make it a study. I went to Western Michigan University, 0:18:34.210 --> 0:18:37.780 got my bachelor's degree in exercise science, became nationally certified 0:18:37.780 --> 0:18:40.510 in strength and conditioning, and spent a number of years 0:18:40.510 --> 0:18:43.629 as a personal trainer working for 24 hour. Fitness is 0:18:43.630 --> 0:18:46.600 one of the master personal trainers and more recently has 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.690 kind of spun off. I opened up my own business 0:18:49.690 --> 0:18:55.990 and I'm taking all of that experience and knowledge education 0:18:55.990 --> 0:19:00.580 and approaching the blindness and low vision community and creating 0:19:00.580 --> 0:19:03.580 a program to help people who are blind and visually 0:19:03.580 --> 0:19:07.030 impaired connect to fitness and absorb it. The way that 0:19:07.030 --> 0:19:08.950 I was able to do that, I was blessed to 0:19:08.950 --> 0:19:11.050 get when I was as I was growing up. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.840 As well as being an elite athlete, you're also a 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.200 personal trainer and one of your specialties is training people 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.359 who are blind or have low vision. What do you 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.300 do differently when working with a client who is blind 0:19:22.300 --> 0:19:24.790 or has low vision compared to if you're working with 0:19:24.790 --> 0:19:25.840 somebody who's sighted? 0:19:26.050 --> 0:19:29.050 Is there the main difference? Really, it comes down to 0:19:29.170 --> 0:19:33.639 the way that somebody is taught. Right. So it's surprisingly 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.130 similar to the way that I would train a sighted person. 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.220 So when I worked for 24 hour fitness, 99 percent 0:19:39.220 --> 0:19:41.980 of my clientele were sighted since I opened up my 0:19:41.980 --> 0:19:45.010 own business. Most of my clientele was visually impaired, and 0:19:45.010 --> 0:19:47.280 really the way that I teach is is very, very similar. 0:19:47.290 --> 0:19:50.530 So when teaching somebody who is visually impaired, the one 0:19:50.530 --> 0:19:54.760 thing to remember is that so much of our input, 0:19:55.270 --> 0:19:57.879 so much of what we understand about the world around 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.869 us does come from visual input. People who have vision, 0:20:02.170 --> 0:20:06.100 they learn things through their site without even realizing that 0:20:06.100 --> 0:20:09.940 that's what they're doing. Take a standard pushup, for example. 0:20:10.090 --> 0:20:13.359 Most people who are sighted have seen people, whether it's 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.610 just in a movie, whether it's in their own gym class, 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:19.090 they've seen people do pushups. Hey, do a push up. 0:20:19.180 --> 0:20:22.840 Now they may not know the exact technical. How far? 0:20:23.140 --> 0:20:26.050 Year and still apart, what is the angle of your elbows? 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.570 What do you do with your midsection? But they know 0:20:28.570 --> 0:20:30.790 what the idea is. Somebody who's visually impaired may not 0:20:30.790 --> 0:20:33.580 have a clue what a pushup is, is or how 0:20:33.580 --> 0:20:35.680 it works or what your body is supposed to do. 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.919 So in teaching somebody who is visually impaired, the biggest 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:43.090 difference is just the hyper level of description involved, the 0:20:43.090 --> 0:20:46.629 nuances of how the body is supposed to feel and 0:20:46.630 --> 0:20:50.200 how it's positioned almost in nausea. It's almost overkill with 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:53.830 the amount of description, because there's so many little things 0:20:53.830 --> 0:20:56.200 that that you may miss. You know, if I tell 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.260 you get down on your hands and your toes, your 0:20:59.260 --> 0:21:02.050 belly should be off the ground and your hips level 0:21:02.050 --> 0:21:04.000 with your shoulders. They're still going to be a lot 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.310 of different variations. You're going to maybe drop your head, 0:21:06.310 --> 0:21:07.840 you might raise your head up, you might turn your 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:09.910 hands in or turn your hands out. There are still 0:21:09.910 --> 0:21:12.220 many different things that you could do. So it's an 0:21:12.220 --> 0:21:15.129 excessive amount of description. Usually, I find that that helps 0:21:15.130 --> 0:21:18.160 teach proper exercise to people who are visually impaired. 0:21:18.490 --> 0:21:23.530 And you've created your revision online workouts. Congratulations, by the way, 0:21:23.530 --> 0:21:25.390 on winning the home and prize. That's very 0:21:25.390 --> 0:21:28.169 exciting. And I appreciate that. Yeah, it's very easy. 0:21:29.830 --> 0:21:32.350 Is it true that you are using that that award 0:21:32.350 --> 0:21:36.880 to develop your online series of revision workouts into an app? 0:21:37.210 --> 0:21:39.760 Yeah, that's exactly it. I have a couple of resources 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.250 that I have a YouTube channel and a Facebook group 0:21:42.250 --> 0:21:45.820 that I've hosted, you know, kind of free workouts, any 0:21:46.060 --> 0:21:49.270 various topics, instructional videos. But what I've done with the 0:21:49.630 --> 0:21:53.290 and Pro in that grant funding is I'm using that 0:21:53.290 --> 0:21:56.500 to develop a digital platform where I can start to 0:21:56.500 --> 0:21:59.940 collect all of this information. So think about it is 0:21:59.940 --> 0:22:03.100 is almost like a library. There's a couple of main sections. 0:22:03.100 --> 0:22:05.709 There's a classroom section where you can go and just 0:22:05.710 --> 0:22:09.580 learn about individual exercises. You know, if you want to 0:22:09.580 --> 0:22:12.310 know how to do a tree pose in yoga or 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.530 a push up or a squat, and you can go 0:22:14.530 --> 0:22:17.739 there and find those lessons and find the descriptions of 0:22:17.740 --> 0:22:20.020 how to do them. And then from there, you can 0:22:20.020 --> 0:22:23.139 either take that information, go to your local fitness center 0:22:23.140 --> 0:22:25.960 and follow in their classrooms or do the exercises in 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.330 your living room. Or you can go into the fitness 0:22:28.330 --> 0:22:31.209 studio that I've developed on my platform, where we have 0:22:31.210 --> 0:22:35.980 several accessible workout beginner level advanced level workouts built into 0:22:35.980 --> 0:22:39.160 this digital platform. And then from there, what I kind 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:43.240 of say is the exercises are the ingredients, the workouts 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:47.380 are your utensils and fitness plans are the actual recipe, right? 0:22:47.380 --> 0:22:50.470 So we have recipes or fitness plans that you can 0:22:50.470 --> 0:22:52.780 dive into as well. We take these workouts and these 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.030 exercise classes. And what do you do with them? What 0:22:55.030 --> 0:22:57.219 days and what order should you do them? And so 0:22:57.220 --> 0:22:59.169 we have some fitness plans on there. You can follow 0:22:59.170 --> 0:23:02.350 depending on what your goals are and what your circumstances are. 0:23:02.380 --> 0:23:05.800 So I've used that whole approach to build a platform 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.200 that it's still kind of in the beta stages. There's 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:11.200 still some development, but we have several dozen people who 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.350 are signed up and using that information to get themselves 0:23:14.350 --> 0:23:16.930 more fit. All right. So it's pretty exciting. We'll put 0:23:16.930 --> 0:23:19.260 all the details about that on our website as well, 0:23:19.270 --> 0:23:19.750 Tyler. 0:23:19.869 --> 0:23:23.290 Great nutrition is another key component of physical health. What 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.830 barriers have you noticed with your clients and eating healthily? 0:23:26.890 --> 0:23:28.420 What strategies do you give them? 0:23:28.660 --> 0:23:31.840 There are definitely some challenges when it comes to nutrition. 0:23:32.109 --> 0:23:34.330 The things as simple as reading labels on the side 0:23:34.330 --> 0:23:37.659 of the box, picking out maybe the right types of 0:23:37.660 --> 0:23:39.790 vegetables and things like that. As you're going down the 0:23:39.790 --> 0:23:42.220 produce day off, it can be a little more tricky. 0:23:42.220 --> 0:23:44.290 It can be a little bit more daunting, but I 0:23:44.290 --> 0:23:47.740 don't think that nutrition is any more daunting than any 0:23:47.740 --> 0:23:51.840 other daily life task. Yes, because of the visual impairment. 0:23:52.130 --> 0:23:54.070 So what I mean by that is being visually impaired 0:23:54.070 --> 0:23:56.710 makes a lot of things more challenging. It's not that 0:23:56.710 --> 0:23:59.290 things can't be accomplished, it just it makes them a 0:23:59.290 --> 0:24:01.409 little more difficult. It makes you have to kind of 0:24:01.420 --> 0:24:04.990 think of doing things in different ways. Totally doable. You 0:24:04.990 --> 0:24:07.510 may just have to go about it in a different way. 0:24:07.540 --> 0:24:11.020 And most people are smart enough to understand the basics 0:24:11.020 --> 0:24:14.770 of nutrition. Even somebody who says, I know nothing about nutrition, 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.200 you could ask them a few questions and they can 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:21.820 generally sit out very good. Foundational nutritional information. Everybody knows 0:24:21.820 --> 0:24:24.310 that eating fruits and vegetables is really good for you, right? 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.550 You shouldn't eat super sugary foods all the time. You 0:24:27.550 --> 0:24:30.420 should drink plenty of water. Those are the real basics. 0:24:30.430 --> 0:24:35.260 And honestly, the massive percentage of good nutrition just revolves 0:24:35.260 --> 0:24:38.409 around those general rules of thumb. Drink plenty of water, 0:24:38.410 --> 0:24:41.350 eat lots of fruits and vegetables. Try to steer clear 0:24:41.350 --> 0:24:45.399 of highly processed food. Greater detail goes into, you know, 0:24:45.430 --> 0:24:49.060 what programs are more accessible and calorie counting and things 0:24:49.060 --> 0:24:51.609 like that, which we discuss a lot of that in 0:24:51.609 --> 0:24:54.190 my Facebook group. So if you're interested in getting more 0:24:54.190 --> 0:24:56.590 information on that, you can definitely check that out as well. 0:24:56.650 --> 0:24:58.810 But what's your advice for people who don't have that 0:24:58.810 --> 0:25:02.230 background in physical exercise and who perhaps feel very intimidated 0:25:02.230 --> 0:25:05.500 about where to start? Would they feel self-conscious? How do 0:25:05.500 --> 0:25:06.730 you start the journey? 0:25:06.850 --> 0:25:10.510 If you're somebody listening to this, you're visually impaired, or 0:25:10.510 --> 0:25:13.300 maybe you're not. You see fitness, you think about fitness, 0:25:13.300 --> 0:25:16.330 and it just feels really overwhelming, feels intimidating. You think 0:25:16.330 --> 0:25:18.250 about going to the gym and it just you feel 0:25:18.250 --> 0:25:20.730 like a nervous wreck. Like, what if you do something wrong? 0:25:20.740 --> 0:25:25.200 You're kind of feeling embarrassed? Listen. That is so normal, 0:25:25.380 --> 0:25:28.770 it's so normal, don't think that you're alone in that. 0:25:29.070 --> 0:25:33.270 There's this idea that that's almost natural for us to think, 0:25:33.270 --> 0:25:37.020 but it's totally false that bitterness should just be something, 0:25:37.020 --> 0:25:39.600 you know, like if you can't do a push up 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.660 and you can't run well or you can't squat like 0:25:42.930 --> 0:25:45.419 you should be ashamed of that or something like you 0:25:45.420 --> 0:25:47.010 should know how to move your own body. And that's 0:25:47.010 --> 0:25:49.260 just it's a falsehood. You know, if I came to 0:25:49.260 --> 0:25:52.530 you and said, here's a harmonica, you play me a 0:25:52.530 --> 0:25:54.840 song on this harmonica and you say, Well, I don't 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:56.670 know how to play the harmonica. You wouldn't really be 0:25:56.670 --> 0:25:59.850 embarrassed by that. It's a skill that you haven't acquired, 0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:04.050 and learning exercise and fitness is no different. Right? There's 0:26:04.050 --> 0:26:06.840 no reason to be embarrassed. First of all, that's first 0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:09.540 and foremost is try your best to kind of push 0:26:09.540 --> 0:26:12.120 aside the sensation of like, I don't know what I'm doing. 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.460 I'm going to be embarrassed. People are looking at me 0:26:14.670 --> 0:26:17.369 99 percent of the time. They're not. They've got their 0:26:17.369 --> 0:26:21.030 headphones in and they're doing their own workouts, right? And 0:26:21.030 --> 0:26:24.660 so often people want to see you succeed. If they 0:26:24.660 --> 0:26:27.060 see you going in and being adventurous and trying to 0:26:27.060 --> 0:26:29.429 think you're more often than not, find people who are 0:26:29.430 --> 0:26:32.310 in your corner wanting to support you, and that when 0:26:32.310 --> 0:26:35.610 you think about becoming more fit and learning about fitness, 0:26:35.609 --> 0:26:38.430 just try to approach it with an open mind. Try 0:26:38.430 --> 0:26:41.070 to approach it with the idea that, yes, I am 0:26:41.070 --> 0:26:43.970 not a fitness expert, but I know I can do better. 0:26:43.980 --> 0:26:45.870 I want to do better for my health. I want 0:26:45.869 --> 0:26:48.540 to do better for my, my energy levels, my family, 0:26:48.540 --> 0:26:50.969 and I'm just going to keep working at it. I'm 0:26:50.970 --> 0:26:53.429 going to try new things, I'm going to ask questions, 0:26:53.430 --> 0:26:56.820 and it's OK if I make some mistakes, and that's 0:26:56.820 --> 0:26:59.610 just part of the learning process of any new skill. 0:26:59.850 --> 0:27:01.379 Tyler, thank you so much. 0:27:01.470 --> 0:27:03.540 I appreciate you guys giving me the chance to share 0:27:03.540 --> 0:27:04.110 my knowledge. 0:27:04.350 --> 0:27:05.609 And good luck in Tokyo. 0:27:05.700 --> 0:27:06.990 Thank you. I appreciate it. 0:27:07.020 --> 0:27:10.109 We've only had 30 minutes to talk about physical well-being, 0:27:10.109 --> 0:27:12.899 but please don't let this be the end of the conversation. 0:27:12.900 --> 0:27:16.350 And remember, you can download this and other episodes of 0:27:16.350 --> 0:27:19.410 Nothing's Off Limits by going to the Vision Australia website 0:27:19.410 --> 0:27:21.990 and finding our web page. Or you can tune in 0:27:21.990 --> 0:27:26.130 via Vision Australia radio. The Vision Australia website also has 0:27:26.130 --> 0:27:29.609 some links to some really useful resources and information, including 0:27:29.609 --> 0:27:34.320 a great webinar by one of Vision Australia's physiotherapists about 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:38.940 exercising in isolation and understanding fitness in general. Thank you 0:27:38.940 --> 0:27:41.760 again to our guests, and thank you for joining us 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:42.689 for the show where 0:27:42.690 --> 0:27:43.860 nothing's off limits. 0:27:48.609 --> 0:27:52.500 That was nothing's off limits. 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