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S2: My name is Polly, and together with my co-host Tess,
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S2: absolutely. That's right. And yes, I'm talking to you from
S2: my wardrobe, so I enjoyed the ambient sound effects. And
S2: so in this episode, we're talking about
S4: identity, community
S2: and disclosure, and the way that we identify ourselves can
S2: impact the way that we're viewed in our communities. And
S2: for people who are blind or have low
S4: vision accepting
S2: that they have a disability and disclosing that disability to
S2: others can be challenging. So we've lined up a number
S2: of guests who have lived experience in this area while
S2: thinking about the way we are viewed by others.
S4: It's important
S2: to think about how we view
S4: ourselves, and so we
S2: asked you how you would describe yourself using just three words,
S2: and we got some really interesting answers.
S1: Nothing's off limits with Tess and Polly. Polly, how would
S1: you describe yourself? In three words cold, dark and handsome.
S1: Kind there and fees are fair and fierce. That's a
S1: good mix.
S5: How would I describe myself in three? Would I think
S5: I'm very calm?
S3: I'm resourceful and I'm resilient,
S6: fun, happy,
S1: cruisy, fun, energetic and sport obsessed. That took me quite
S1: a while to
S7: think about, but I think I'd describe myself as loyal,
S1: determined and curious, enthusiastic,
S6: passionate about
S8: technology. Me, in three words. Radio presenter, twin, windy and
S8: London are in exile, although I think that comes to
S8: about seven words. Sorry about that.
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S1: limits with Tess and Polly.
S3: It's time to welcome our first guest for this episode.
S3: Now we often find ourselves subject to labelling from others,
S3: whether it's family, friends, people in the community, so we're
S3: going to ask our guests to introduce themselves. Jason Weiter
S3: is possibly a familiar voice to some of our listeners. Jason,
S3: thank you for joining us. And how would you introduce yourself?
S6: Hi, Tess. Hopefully, you know what? That's probably how I
S6: do generally introduce myself to people with a good hello
S6: and a smile on my face. Look, when I think
S6: about it, it all depends on the city and the
S6: situation that Tom brought into. I guess in most instances,
S6: instances I should say I do introduce myself having a
S6: vision impairment. I will go up to the person is
S6: usually the person I would say is that I'm not
S6: actually here drunk. Although I look at it, I am blind.
S6: So I put a bit of a comical spin on it.
S6: And that usually gets a conversation going. A bit of
S6: an icebreaker.
S5: And I'm sure you get addicted to a lot of
S5: blind drunk jokes as well along the way. So I
S5: would
S6: absolutely look at the clock and you know, the only
S6: one looked like a fool and you don't even have
S6: to be drawn to do. No hangovers in the morning.
S2: Jason, do you identify as having a disability? I mean,
S2: is that how you would describe it?
S6: Yeah, I do. Look, I am quite open about it.
S6: I mean, it is the truth. I think, you know,
S6: the definition of a disability is something that either as
S6: a condition that limits one's myriad senses or activities or
S6: is a disadvantage, it puts someone at a disadvantage. Now
S6: my eyesight having very low eyesight, that's definitely a loss
S6: of a major sense. And that does limit, you know,
S6: what I can do in the community, and it puts
S6: any disadvantage to people that are fully sighted is the
S6: true for my eyes. Like I would say, I have
S6: a disability, and it's just what it is. I mean,
S6: you should see my playing golf, for instance, in my mind.
S6: So I'd ask them to point me in the right
S6: direction of the whole thing, to point me the opposite.
S6: Just the story. I think that's a disadvantage.
S2: Or you just need new friends. I'm not sure
S6: who. Maybe that might be that. But look what role.
S6: All jokes aside, I don't see a need to hide
S6: the fact that I have a disability. Yeah.
S2: Leading on from that, how important is it for you
S2: that those around you accept that you have a disability?
S2: So it sounds like you have a really good relationship
S2: with your friends and that you're already comfortable about it?
S2: And you know, that's supportive, but also, you know, making
S2: fun sometimes. So is that acceptance a really important part?
S6: I'm going to be honest here, and I don't want
S6: to sound discourteous to others. Say this, you know, it's
S6: not really that important. It would be nice if everyone
S6: could accept the fact that, yes, I have a disability,
S6: this is it, and that Jayson Tatum, who he is.
S6: I'm not going to let it stop me doing the
S6: things I want to do.
S2: So it sounds like actually the really important thing for
S2: you is your own acceptance of having a disability.
S6: Definitely not. Say that is probably the most important step,
S6: a far more important than what others think and how
S6: they accept be. The world is not going to stop
S6: because I have a idea. So why should I stop
S6: doing the things that I do? It probably has asked
S6: different things. For instance, disability, bodybuilding and playing blind tennis.
S6: Now these are things I would never have got into
S6: in the past, and these are probably things that I
S6: wouldn't even have a competitive edge on in the past.
S6: But now having low eyesight and accepting that and going
S6: out and taking on these activities has allowed me to
S6: become good at something. I also think that I accepting
S6: my disability. It prevents me from doing reckless things from
S6: time to time, so I don't want to go out
S6: and take that calf or sun dry blamed on June
S6: 11 vehicles on the road and maybe conditions. That's a
S2: really interesting point, and it sounds like you really have
S2: taken ownership of your disability, and that's something
S4: that you haven't
S2: struggled with. Or has that been a process for you?
S6: The moment I knew my eyesight was deteriorating, what was happening,
S6: it was just like, Well, let's move on. You know,
S6: I think it's something I've grown up with in the past.
S6: I've had medical conditions, probably since day one, so I've
S6: had to adapt. I guess I learnt at an early
S6: age how to adapt to things and then say, Well, look,
S6: I'm not going to be able to do this. Let's
S6: find something else more realistic and let's progress. That is
S6: something that I wanted to do. I had my heart
S6: set on it. I would make modifications to look at
S6: ways I could do that and then allowing people to
S6: see that I can still do it and that's going well,
S6: and we didn't accept me for that anyway. So their
S6: experiences like, well, you guys, and he's what he's doing,
S6: we accept him for that.
S4: And how did you
S2: think more broadly, disability kind of sits within the community?
S2: Do you
S4: think that there's a stigma
S2: around discussing disability, around having a disability in the wider community?
S6: I think that's sort of one of the things that
S6: sits on a scale. So you'll have those that will say, Look,
S6: disability is what it is. It's fine, it's part of life.
S6: Then you'll have the other side to say disability is
S6: that dirty work and something we don't want to discuss.
S6: We want to put it aside, and I think there's
S6: a lot of reasons to come to this. I'm not
S6: a sociologist or anything like that, so I don't know
S6: the ins and outs of it all. Well, what I
S6: see in the community is that more often than not,
S6: it's not the actual person with a disability, and it's
S6: not the person who's not closely associated with disability. It's
S6: the people in the middle, the family members or carers
S6: or support workers who want to sort of say that, well,
S6: don't call them disabled and say that any part of
S6: everyday commuter, they require the same as everybody else and
S6: that can get you always want to encourage. People who
S6: have a disability can do things, but at the same time,
S6: it can be harmful because if we put someone in
S6: a situation where we saying you quite capable to do
S6: exactly what someone who's got a disability can do and
S6: they can put their life in danger. So we would
S6: only be screening that. So we saying that and saying, Okay, well,
S6: let's just disregard the term disability. It shouldn't exist. If
S6: we don't, what do we call? Those are people that
S6: are going to be disadvantaged or they're going to have trouble,
S6: is an actor and you would say he coaches people
S6: and he has these terms that goes on to say
S6: that you all have a disability and the Disabilities Act,
S6: in my eyes, that sort of something that stands out
S6: to me. I guess it's one of those things that
S6: reaches out to say, Look, we have a disability that
S6: doesn't define me.
S2: I wondered if you had any advice you can share
S2: about that disclosure component. So whether it's disclosing to people
S2: that you were just meeting when you're out and about
S2: or whether it's in a more formal environment like, say,
S2: starting a new job or even going on a date?
S2: Have you got any advice about how you can disclose
S4: your disability
S2: in a way that, as you said, makes you feel
S2: that you have the agency over it?
S6: Take control over that one? I think it comes down
S6: to a Typekit disability. Just like some of the some
S6: of the most openly obvious, you don't need to disclose
S6: and cause a disability yourself to disclose to everybody around you.
S6: Tarantino for missing a limb or you need to get
S6: around a white cane. But then when there are those
S6: that are listening, I suppose it comes down to the
S6: person how confident they are to disclose that. Do they
S6: need to disclose it? And if he don't disclose what
S6: one of the reasons why she disclose it, because in
S6: my opinion is the truth is always best. I think
S6: it's always important to disclose it upfront, first and foremost,
S6: because it gets that side of things at the way.
S6: The advice I gave is just to be open. Like
S6: I said, when you introduce it, tell them upfront. First
S6: and foremost, they will probably respect you all for a
S6: honest and then you will probably get people. Those I
S6: will say is a personal issue. They're just not capable
S6: as someone else at end of the day, that can
S6: affect people as well.
S2: Jason, thank you so much. As ever, you were on
S2: our first program, so it's so lovely to have you
S2: bookending the series. And I love your advice about, you know,
S2: maybe if you're confident enough going on the front foot
S2: and that's your way of kind of taking ownership of
S2: how you want to represent yourself,
S4: that's as ever
S2: fascinating and really
S4: helpful.
S6: Always a pleasure feeling sorry. Thank you so much for
S6: having me on.
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S2: We now have a panel of two guests, and both
S2: Courtney McKay and Adelina Holloway will be familiar voices to
S2: some of our listeners. They're both here to talk about
S2: their experiences around identity and disclosure. Thank you both so
S2: much for coming back. How would you two introduce yourselves?
S2: Maybe starting with you, Courtney.
S4: Yeah, OK. So in this context, which is semi professional
S4: and where blindness and low vision is a topic of conversation,
S4: I might say that I'm a psychologist with lived experience
S4: of blindness. I've got 15 years of experience working in
S4: not for profits and local government, and I'm currently managing
S4: Vision Australia's children and young people team in Queensland.
S2: Adelina, how would you introduce yourself?
S7: Usually, my guide dog Tilly does a bit of an
S7: introduction in that I am visually impaired, so she and
S7: people usually look at her, look at me, look at her,
S7: look at me and kind of think, is she or
S7: isn't she? Because I don't as vision impaired except that
S7: I have her? I'll get asked a question straight up,
S7: Is she mine? You disclose that point? Yes, she's mine.
S7: And yes, I have low vision and I, but I
S7: still can see. I can see you and I can
S7: see my surrounds, and that usually relaxes the person. And
S7: then I will also say that, you know, I'm a
S7: middle aged mom of a couple of teenagers and fierce
S7: advocate for different, not less. And and, you know, I'm
S7: a kind of fairly confident, outspoken middle aged female who's
S7: become more and more a fierce advocate for people with disability.
S5: So how
S4: big a part of your
S5: identity is your disability?
S7: You know what, it hadn't been until about three years
S7: ago when I had a of or have had a
S7: marriage breakdown, and it caused a lot of stress that
S7: caused me a lot of vision loss and quite a
S7: considerable amount of vision loss, and I really had to
S7: realise that I couldn't hide from this anymore. It's around
S7: about the same time I got the dog, so I
S7: was a real pretender. I would pretend I was sighted,
S7: not disclosed to many at all and still try and
S7: be as sighted as I possibly could be. So I
S7: never identified really until about three years ago. Now, to
S7: answer your question, I probably identify all of the time.
S4: Yeah, it's definitely a big part of my life. Being
S4: blonde sort of dictates how I do everything, how I move,
S4: how I communicate. It's right at the forefront of how
S4: I operate. It's not necessarily always at the forefront of
S4: my mind, though. I just get on and do things.
S4: But it's definitely the reason why I'm doing those things
S4: in ways that differ from everyone around me.
S5: I think that makes a lot of sense. I think
S5: new disability can really barriers to how much a
S4: part of your
S5: identity is, so it's wonderful to get to slightly different
S4: perspectives and how much is acceptance.
S2: And this is something we talked about with Jason as well.
S2: How much is your own acceptance of your disability? A
S2: key factor? Courtney, how about you?
S4: Yeah. So we've talked about grief in one of the
S4: earlier episodes bargaining and denial, natural paths or natural states
S4: associated with grief. A little bit like Adelina said. You're
S4: entitled to your denial. You're entitled to try and work
S4: around the disability as you're adjusting to it. But resistance
S4: definitely burns a lot of energy, and at some point
S4: I have come to the understanding that that energy is
S4: better used on working towards what's good and possible for
S4: me and the people I love. So getting on with
S4: terms with reality is an important daily practice and I
S4: try to engage in. If you are
S2: struggling with that, what are some of the kinds of
S2: things that you can do to become more accepting of
S2: your
S4: disability? Among the most effective things that I've done to
S4: become more accepting is to rub shoulders with other people
S4: with disabilities and people that I admire because of their
S4: strong identification as somebody with a disability, their pride in
S4: who they are and learn from them. That's really accelerated
S4: some of my growth as a person and my ability
S4: to be out in the world representing my community in
S4: a way that, yeah, feels comfortable for me and you,
S4: Adelina
S7: me trying to hide and cover up and pretend was
S7: exhausting and absolutely exhausting, and I just didn't want to
S7: do it anymore. And I realized when I started to
S7: work back in Australia and work in the NDIS space,
S7: and I was privileged to have a role where I
S7: would stand up in front of people and tell them
S7: how supports could change their lives. And I could do
S7: that from a place of lived experience. So I realised that, no,
S7: I didn't want to stand there and tell people what
S7: I what I could say and what I could do,
S7: but what I couldn't do and how I could do
S7: it with support. So that's when I sort of started
S7: by put my advocacy have had on really, you know,
S7: now that I'm almost privileged to be in this position
S7: now because I can change people's lives so by my
S7: lived experience and how I can educate them on how
S7: they can live a full life because often people in such.
S7: A bad place, and I now use my voice to
S7: be part way, change that for them and show them that, Hey,
S7: you know what? It's possible, it's possible to still be
S7: very empowered, especially as a woman. I speak a lot
S7: with women to be empowered as a woman, and you
S7: can still be a beautiful and desirable and well dressed
S7: and wear those heeled boots in that dress and we
S7: have a guide dog in your head. You know, that's
S7: that's my passion, and that's what I try. So that
S7: has really helped me come into my own as someone
S7: with vision loss. Absolutely.
S2: I'm just really interested about, I guess, the change that's
S2: come in around NDIS, where
S4: you have to talk
S2: about the things that you're not able to do in
S2: order for that to be the understanding about what support
S2: you need.
S4: How much do you think that's changed
S2: the dynamic of how you think about yourself?
S7: We have to now teach people how to speak the
S7: language of the NDIS, and it's really hard for someone
S7: to sit there and say, for instance, they ridiculously worded
S7: some of these questions like, you know, there's a self-care section,
S7: can you dress yourself? And everyone wants to say, yes,
S7: of course I can dress myself. We have to teach
S7: them how to say no. Yes, I can do it,
S7: but I need assistance. In my case, yes, I can
S7: dress myself, but I need help choosing color. I need
S7: help putting makeup on in that then comes on top
S7: of that. I need an occupational therapist. I need perhaps
S7: someone to show me how to put makeup on. Is
S7: a vision impaired woman. I need better lighting in my bathroom.
S7: I need my magnification, so we need to change the
S7: way people are thinking. So instead of just saying Yes,
S7: I can do this myself, yes, I could do so,
S7: but
S4: I need help. That's fascinating.
S2: Courtney, have you found any, I guess, changes about how
S2: you feel about yourself or how you present yourself going
S2: through the NDIS process?
S4: It's pretty common that when you are long term vision
S4: impaired or you've had a disability of any kind for
S4: a long time, you've become really good at work arounds
S4: and everything that you do has been adjusted. You're using
S4: tools using strategies that the average person on the street
S4: couldn't even imagine. But because they've become every day to you,
S4: you don't necessarily know how to articulate them, to break
S4: them down into tiny little chunks and feed them to
S4: somebody who has no experience of your disability. But that
S4: is what you have to do. You have to be
S4: able to articulate all of those work around. So you
S4: can say, Well, yes, I can do this thing that
S4: I require x y z in order to be able
S4: to do that above and beyond what the average person does.
S4: So for me to lead an ordinary life, I have
S4: all of these adaptations, some of which will require funding
S4: for me to be able to continue Adelina.
S5: You mentioned before the importance of emphasizing being different instead
S5: of saying, Listen, can you tell us a little bit
S5: about why that's important?
S7: Yeah, absolutely. So you know, in a nutshell, it's I
S7: try to, you know, empower people with that thought that
S7: you're not less than anyone else because you have a disability.
S7: You just do things differently. You know, we we can
S7: do anything that anyone else can within our limits of
S7: having low vision. But we just as Courtney said, before
S7: we just do it, we adapt the way we do it. So,
S7: you know, we considered a computer and do our job,
S7: but we need assistive technology to do that. You know,
S7: I can I can walk to work and commute to
S7: my workplace, but I need my dog beside me to
S7: help me to do that. It's just those little tweaks
S7: we have in life to now enable us to to
S7: do things differently. But we are certainly no less than
S7: anyone else
S2: on, Hey, how do you negotiate those boundaries around helping
S2: people to understand a disability? What's not kind of taking
S2: on the responsibility of being everyone's teachable moment? I know
S2: that's something we've kind of touched on
S4: before,
S2: but that's a really tough thing to
S4: do. Yeah. And I thought of running a bit of
S4: a cost benefit analysis when I bump into people. So
S4: I'm looking at whether or not they have the capacity
S4: to learn if they're deeply invested in a particular way
S4: of seeing things, and that gives them a sense of power.
S4: Then I know that it's probably not going to be
S4: productive to push, you know, I come across a lot
S4: of people that are just not that great at perceiving
S4: and integrating new information generally. Sometimes it's time limits, so
S4: it might only be a passing exchange. I will do
S4: things differently then, as opposed to if we have a
S4: bit more time to explore, and I'm also thinking about
S4: my emotional reserves. So if I'm already depleted, then it
S4: might not be worth trying to educate somebody when I'm
S4: feeling like that versus when I have the energy to
S4: do it. If it's service, I'll try to work with
S4: a person directly the service provider. But if they're combative
S4: and I sense they want to dominate me, then I'll
S4: send the feedback up the line, hopefully to somebody who's
S4: a little bit more reasonable. So it's about balancing my capacity,
S4: their capacity and the impact on my community. Oh, that's
S2: fantastic. A fantastic kind of methodology to use.
S5: Finally, Adelaide, Matt and Courtney, what are some steps that
S5: people could take to make it easier to disclose because
S5: we know that disclosing can be very challenging? Adelina, would
S5: you like to?
S7: Yeah, look. I think that something I've learned in disclosure
S7: is using it as an opportunity to educate as well.
S7: So when I disclosed, though, have done in the past. Sure.
S7: Except I've got low vision, but I've just explained what
S7: that what that what that looks like for me. And
S7: I would let them know what I can see. You know,
S7: I can see your face, I can see you standing
S7: in front of me. I can tell you you're wearing
S7: a dark color, but I probably can't see beyond that.
S7: You know, just give me a little bit of a
S7: context of what I can see. And just to give
S7: them an understanding. And it makes it when I do that,
S7: it tends to make them a little bit more comfortable. OK,
S7: then I can look her in the eye and I
S7: know she's going to make eye contact with me to
S7: some degree. Or it also helps if I'm out and about,
S7: especially in dimly lit situations. If I disclosed before I
S7: go into the venue to someone who may not doesn't
S7: know me very well or just met. You know, it's
S7: it's just having the confidence to be able to explain
S7: to people what, what, what you can see and how
S7: they can help you. I a bunch of friends. I
S7: was in Byron Bay once and one of my friends
S7: pulled me back from not stepping outside of the car.
S7: This before I had my dog and he screamed to
S7: me and he was very, very mad with me. I've
S7: known him since university and he said to me, Adalind,
S7: we just need to know what you can and can't see,
S7: so we know how to support you. So he swore.
S7: I just said, So, you know, stop being so bloody
S7: independent and tell us how otherwise you're going to get killed,
S7: you know? So and that was a that was by
S7: then they kind of did an intervention with me that
S7: night and sort of said, You know, we we need
S7: to know you're obviously not the woman you were at university. Clearly,
S7: you can't see what you used to be able to see.
S7: So we need to know now so we know how
S7: to support you. And then it just takes the pressure
S7: off us as well. And I never looked at it
S7: like that before. I've had to really think about how
S7: it affects the other person and how it affects those
S7: around me.
S4: Yeah, I think when people acquire vision loss for the
S4: first time or they're new to disability generally, that there's
S4: a real aversion to joining the community and identifying as
S4: somebody who's one of many with with a disability. But
S4: one of the benefits, I guess, of being part of
S4: our community is that you get to review a range
S4: of approaches, what other people have done before, and you
S4: can choose what things might look like for you. And
S4: that includes in relation to how you disclosure disability. I
S4: would recommend that people think about different situations because it
S4: will vary, as we've talked about already today. And I
S4: also think people need to be gentle with themselves because
S4: you'll be learning about how to do this well for yourself,
S4: for the rest of your life, and you'll choose and
S4: change your mind over and over and over again.
S5: That is a wonderful note to end on. Adelina Courtney,
S5: thank you so much for being here and sharing your
S5: lived experience with this is just being such
S7: a privilege chatting to you
S4: and wonderful to be here and congratulations on a great series.
S7: Guys, thank you for having me. Have a be a
S7: part of it. I've really enjoyed it and I hope
S7: it helps lots of people out there. I really do.
S7: Well done, guys.
S2: Thank you both so much and Jason too. And as ever,
S2: this is just the start of the conversation about identity,
S2: community and disclosure. And you can visit the Vision Australia
S2: website for some useful resources and information, including an article
S2: with some tips about how you can dispose your disability
S2: to employees.
S4: We've just finished
S5: our last episode of Tommy. Can I don't know what
S5: to think about this, but we could not have done
S5: it without some very special people. I have the great
S5: honour of first and foremost, thanking our wonderful collection of guests. We,
S5: I mean, look, I'm sure that people would love to
S5: listen to Polly and I just chattering white. We certainly
S5: do as
S2: short as sure.
S4: But yes,
S5: for those who don't feel like listening to us, just
S5: having our guests have brought something just fantastic for podcast.
S5: Thank you to everyone who participated in the box pops
S5: just added some fantastic color. Thank you to our listeners.
S5: Our wonderful listeners mean what would be the point of
S5: creating a podcast that you to listen to us and
S5: tell us where we're going right or going wrong? And finally,
S5: I speak on behalf of Polly and myself. It is
S5: most important, so much so very important to thank our
S5: wonderful producer, Jace. You're a huge shout out today because
S5: he has just been a wonderful source of support and expertise.
S5: He holds us in line cases in line when when
S5: Polly and I are having too much fun and not easy.
S2: Not an easy task.
S5: No, it's really not and really more than anything else
S5: we could not have done without him.
S4: So thank you, guys.
S1: Thanks, guys. It's the lived experience of our guests that
S1: really pulled it together. I really appreciate everyone's
S4: efforts, completely stressed
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