WEBVTT - Get connected with `Connect up` 0:00:45.593 --> 0:00:48.553 Hello and welcome to In Plain Sight, a program where 0:00:48.553 --> 0:00:51.193 we highlight people who are making a positive impact in 0:00:51.193 --> 0:00:53.513 the community and disability sector. 0:00:53.513 --> 0:00:56.393 Shining a light on those who would be otherwise hidden 0:00:56.393 --> 0:00:57.513 in plain sight. 0:00:57.513 --> 0:00:59.593 And it's a pleasure to bring you these stories on 0:00:59.593 --> 0:01:03.193 a weekly basis with you here on Vision Australia Radio. 0:01:03.673 --> 0:01:05.353 Hi there Simon, how are you this week? 0:01:05.393 --> 0:01:08.833 I'm great Andrew. It's good to be here in studio two. 0:01:08.993 --> 0:01:11.193 Any keen listeners might notice that there's a difference in 0:01:11.193 --> 0:01:15.313 the sound when there is studio one, studio two. And um, 0:01:15.353 --> 0:01:18.432 this week we're in studio two because we had two guests. 0:01:18.432 --> 0:01:21.713 And Andrew, can you tell us a little bit about 0:01:21.712 --> 0:01:23.993 the subject matter in which we will be discussing in 0:01:23.993 --> 0:01:24.953 our interview today? 0:01:24.993 --> 0:01:29.153 Yes. The subject matter is a new online platform and 0:01:29.193 --> 0:01:32.953 app called Connect Up, which is in its first rollout, 0:01:32.953 --> 0:01:36.633 I guess, and it's an app that's designed for connecting 0:01:36.633 --> 0:01:39.993 people with their local area and so forth. So primarily, 0:01:39.993 --> 0:01:43.103 of course, it's for people with disability and their carers 0:01:43.583 --> 0:01:48.663 and it's all about inclusive physical activities. Finding where they 0:01:48.663 --> 0:01:51.623 are near where you live. You can also share feedback 0:01:51.623 --> 0:01:55.782 on the experiences that you've had. It's also about connecting 0:01:55.783 --> 0:01:59.463 up with people, which is an all important thing, and 0:01:59.463 --> 0:02:03.983 making friends. And there's also a map of all these 0:02:03.983 --> 0:02:09.263 various locations that, um, you can continue to contribute to 0:02:09.583 --> 0:02:12.783 about places to go that are accessible and so forth. 0:02:12.783 --> 0:02:16.583 So whether it's about a gentle walking group or a 0:02:16.623 --> 0:02:20.423 quiet park that's got good accessibility, that's what this is 0:02:20.423 --> 0:02:23.423 all about is connecting up with all those different places 0:02:23.423 --> 0:02:24.743 and all those different people. 0:02:25.023 --> 0:02:28.263 That's right. And we're highlighting this today, um, just to 0:02:28.303 --> 0:02:32.303 demonstrate a different method, a new method of connecting up 0:02:32.303 --> 0:02:35.703 as the app is called with people who have similar 0:02:35.703 --> 0:02:38.863 interests as yourself. If you have a disability or if 0:02:38.863 --> 0:02:41.403 you're a carer with someone who has a disability or 0:02:41.403 --> 0:02:44.923 support worker perhaps, but it's connecting up with a purpose 0:02:44.923 --> 0:02:48.843 and the purpose is some form of leisure or recreation 0:02:48.843 --> 0:02:52.523 or even sports in a similar method to organisations like 0:02:52.563 --> 0:02:57.403 Disability Sports or Blind Sports Western Australia, or even walking 0:02:57.403 --> 0:03:01.243 groups that are run by organisations like visibility. To highlight 0:03:01.603 --> 0:03:04.602 the fact that people need to get out and about, 0:03:04.603 --> 0:03:07.483 but need to find avenues to do so in a 0:03:07.483 --> 0:03:12.123 safe and inclusive and accessible manner. And this particular new platform, 0:03:12.363 --> 0:03:16.322 which is an app component and a website component, um, 0:03:16.363 --> 0:03:20.403 is both a social connector and a recreational connector. Um, 0:03:20.403 --> 0:03:24.683 as I often say within these broadcasts, we are always 0:03:24.683 --> 0:03:27.083 keen to hear from our listeners. So if you'd like 0:03:27.083 --> 0:03:30.442 to contact us here at Vision Australia Radio, please do so. 0:03:30.483 --> 0:03:34.123 Or on our program in particular, our email address is 0:03:34.363 --> 0:03:38.163 in plain sight at vision australia.org. That's in plain sight 0:03:38.163 --> 0:03:41.313 at vision australia.org. And I'd also like to give a 0:03:41.313 --> 0:03:46.593 shout out to Darryl Davenport from Ballroom Fit, who recommended 0:03:46.593 --> 0:03:50.193 this and introduced me to this program. And I'd also 0:03:50.193 --> 0:03:53.993 like to thank Nina, who will be hearing from shortly, 0:03:54.353 --> 0:03:56.673 who is a keen listener to the program, and a 0:03:56.673 --> 0:03:58.953 special hello and shout out to her. And if you 0:03:58.993 --> 0:04:01.913 are like Nina and you listen regularly and you would 0:04:01.913 --> 0:04:04.113 like to be part of the program, please get in touch. 0:04:04.113 --> 0:04:06.513 And I'd love to hear from you sometime. Anyway, now 0:04:06.553 --> 0:04:09.353 we will hand you over to Nina and Craig to 0:04:09.433 --> 0:04:12.433 tell us all about the Connect Up app and program. 0:04:13.553 --> 0:04:16.193 And this week we have two guests in the studio, 0:04:16.193 --> 0:04:18.473 and we are going to be talking about a new project, 0:04:18.473 --> 0:04:22.033 a new app, and a website called Connect Up. And 0:04:22.033 --> 0:04:24.993 the guests we have in the studio are Craig Thompson. Hi, Craig. 0:04:25.033 --> 0:04:25.712 Hi, Simon. 0:04:25.873 --> 0:04:30.153 And we also have Nina Marie Butler. Hi, Nina. Hello, Craig. 0:04:30.153 --> 0:04:32.713 I'll start with you. Can you tell us firstly, what 0:04:32.713 --> 0:04:36.153 the Connect Up app is and your involvement with it, please? 0:04:36.193 --> 0:04:39.653 The Connect up is an app which was designed, um, 0:04:39.973 --> 0:04:44.333 for people with disabilities to, um, connect socially with people 0:04:44.333 --> 0:04:47.653 close to them. Um, you know, people with disabilities and carers, 0:04:47.653 --> 0:04:51.973 I should say connect socially, um, and through physical activity. Um, 0:04:52.013 --> 0:04:54.973 and it also works through a web, you know, it's 0:04:54.973 --> 0:04:58.133 also a web based app as well. So, um, people 0:04:58.133 --> 0:05:00.933 who find it easier to use, use computers can access 0:05:00.933 --> 0:05:03.533 it there. And the idea is, is that we're trying 0:05:03.533 --> 0:05:07.173 to help people expand their social networks, but also participate 0:05:07.173 --> 0:05:09.533 in a little bit more activity as well. 0:05:09.573 --> 0:05:13.333 What was the impetus for getting this app and project 0:05:13.333 --> 0:05:15.613 up and running? What was the motivation to do that? 0:05:15.653 --> 0:05:18.253 We've started a long time ago with some discussions with 0:05:18.253 --> 0:05:21.253 some people at Carers Western Australia, um, in terms of 0:05:21.493 --> 0:05:23.613 some of the things that they'd seen in the people 0:05:23.613 --> 0:05:27.093 that they work with. Um, but the things that really 0:05:27.093 --> 0:05:30.093 drove it from, I suppose my perspective as a, as 0:05:30.093 --> 0:05:35.013 an occupational therapist and a researcher is, um, that social 0:05:35.213 --> 0:05:39.163 exclusion or being, you know, being socially isolated is, um, 0:05:39.203 --> 0:05:43.243 as bad a negative impact on your health as smoking. Um, 0:05:43.243 --> 0:05:45.723 and the same thing with, um, same thing with low 0:05:45.723 --> 0:05:49.923 levels of physical activity. So they're, they're really modifiable risk 0:05:49.923 --> 0:05:54.203 factors for um, poor health. Um, so we wanted to 0:05:54.203 --> 0:05:57.763 look for strategies for people to connect, um, so that 0:05:57.763 --> 0:06:01.003 they can hopefully be more, you know, have a greater 0:06:01.003 --> 0:06:04.563 social network. So they're not as socially isolated, but also 0:06:04.563 --> 0:06:08.563 build some, do some physical activity and like everyone, um, 0:06:08.603 --> 0:06:11.603 you know, we're all attached to our phones. Um, so we, we, 0:06:11.643 --> 0:06:14.723 and it's certainly an area of opportunity in terms of 0:06:14.723 --> 0:06:17.563 looking at how we can help people connect in that 0:06:17.603 --> 0:06:21.483 in that way. So lots of conversations with, with carers, 0:06:21.523 --> 0:06:24.963 WA and other people with disabilities and other and carers 0:06:24.963 --> 0:06:27.123 looking at what they wanted to see. 0:06:27.643 --> 0:06:31.283 So Craig Thomson, you're currently with Curtin University, is that right? 0:06:31.283 --> 0:06:34.603 That's right. Yeah. So I, I teach occupational therapy and 0:06:34.603 --> 0:06:37.383 I do research in the area of. I do a 0:06:37.383 --> 0:06:41.623 lot of research in co-design with with people with various disabilities. 0:06:42.143 --> 0:06:45.223 And that's why I'm involved in the connector project. 0:06:45.223 --> 0:06:49.263 And I believe there are, um, backing support from other 0:06:49.263 --> 0:06:50.783 universities across Australia. 0:06:50.823 --> 0:06:54.863 There are. So, um, we also have, um, in, in 0:06:54.903 --> 0:07:00.183 the project, we have researchers from University of Melbourne, Deakin University, 0:07:00.383 --> 0:07:06.063 University of Queensland and Swinburne University as well. I think um, 0:07:06.063 --> 0:07:08.663 it's a very broad network. Um, and we even have 0:07:08.663 --> 0:07:12.423 some involvement from um, some, some from the CSIRO to 0:07:12.423 --> 0:07:16.143 help us with, uh, the, you know, the development of 0:07:16.143 --> 0:07:18.983 the app and how we can utilise that, make most 0:07:18.983 --> 0:07:20.023 of that going forward. 0:07:20.343 --> 0:07:23.703 I've downloaded the app, I haven't done anything on it 0:07:23.703 --> 0:07:26.823 yet because I haven't gone through the process of trying 0:07:26.823 --> 0:07:28.943 to find people and so on. And I've looked at 0:07:28.943 --> 0:07:32.303 the website, it looks pretty good over my time. Even 0:07:32.303 --> 0:07:37.333 before apps and websites. There was newsletters. This idea that 0:07:37.333 --> 0:07:41.773 people with a disability are isolated, lonely and inactive is 0:07:41.773 --> 0:07:45.933 not new. And it's true for whatever reason, many people 0:07:45.933 --> 0:07:50.053 with a disability are not connected and are inactive. So 0:07:50.053 --> 0:07:53.653 what's the difference with this new Connect Up app and 0:07:53.653 --> 0:07:56.333 what are the main aims like? Connect up? It does 0:07:56.333 --> 0:08:00.253 sound like other things, and it does have a hint 0:08:00.253 --> 0:08:02.773 that it might be a not a dating app, but 0:08:02.813 --> 0:08:06.653 a social connection app, but your connection with a purpose 0:08:06.693 --> 0:08:07.373 would that be? 0:08:07.533 --> 0:08:10.853 I think connection with the purpose is most definitely true. 0:08:10.893 --> 0:08:13.693 It's the idea that you're trying to find people who 0:08:13.693 --> 0:08:17.213 have similar interests to you. So when you when you 0:08:17.213 --> 0:08:20.493 do go and actually set up your profile, you'll identify 0:08:20.493 --> 0:08:25.053 what types of activities you're interested in, um, how far 0:08:25.053 --> 0:08:28.853 you're interested to travel and move. Um, and then it 0:08:28.853 --> 0:08:32.733 will actually suggest some people who could be connections for you. 0:08:33.033 --> 0:08:37.313 But the major difference between this and, um, you know, 0:08:37.352 --> 0:08:40.433 some of the other apps or programs that might be 0:08:40.433 --> 0:08:43.352 out there is that, you know, while we started with 0:08:43.352 --> 0:08:47.833 an idea, it's been driven and, and designed and influenced 0:08:47.833 --> 0:08:51.233 by people with disabilities and carers as well. So if 0:08:51.232 --> 0:08:54.073 they told us that they wanted colours to change, if 0:08:54.073 --> 0:08:58.233 they wanted a different features, we would, um, to a point, 0:08:58.232 --> 0:09:01.193 we would make those changes so that it's an app 0:09:01.193 --> 0:09:04.793 for people with disabilities and carers as opposed to a very, 0:09:04.833 --> 0:09:07.273 an open app. And as we were going through the 0:09:07.273 --> 0:09:10.233 co-design process, we would ask, you know, why is why 0:09:10.232 --> 0:09:13.593 is this important? Um, and a lot of people were saying, well, 0:09:13.593 --> 0:09:18.393 the key thing is that it's authenticity about the information 0:09:18.393 --> 0:09:21.713 that's in the app. Um, so I, if, if I 0:09:21.713 --> 0:09:24.713 was using the app, I can go and identify some, 0:09:24.753 --> 0:09:27.153 you know, a place where I might go and meet 0:09:27.153 --> 0:09:32.263 people and actually, um, outline exactly what it's like to 0:09:32.303 --> 0:09:34.663 to visit there instead of what's actually on the web. 0:09:34.903 --> 0:09:37.543 What's on the website. Because sometimes it'll say, yes, we're, 0:09:37.863 --> 0:09:40.663 we're disabled friendly, we've got a, we've got a ramp, etc. 0:09:40.663 --> 0:09:43.263 but when you get there, you find that the ramp 0:09:43.263 --> 0:09:46.143 is stuck on the edge. You have to access it by, 0:09:46.183 --> 0:09:48.023 you know, going all the way around the edge of 0:09:48.023 --> 0:09:51.543 the building. Disabled toilets are hidden away and they can't 0:09:51.543 --> 0:09:52.303 be accessed. 0:09:52.463 --> 0:09:53.263 Or if they're like. 0:09:53.263 --> 0:09:57.383 This building we are broadcasting from today, there's a cafe 0:09:57.423 --> 0:10:01.183 downstairs that has an accessible toilet that's also used as 0:10:01.183 --> 0:10:01.943 a storeroom. 0:10:01.943 --> 0:10:03.903 And also it has a change table in there for 0:10:04.183 --> 0:10:06.303 changing your baby's nappy. So it's not really I mean, 0:10:06.343 --> 0:10:08.103 that's one of the other things that people wanted to 0:10:08.103 --> 0:10:12.223 be able to actually say, what is it really like? Because, 0:10:12.543 --> 0:10:15.063 you know, people with disabilities were telling us that they 0:10:15.103 --> 0:10:18.183 go to places and then they find that the reality 0:10:18.183 --> 0:10:21.423 is actually they say there's an Akron parking bay or 0:10:21.423 --> 0:10:23.943 there's several, but it's it's actually a long way from 0:10:23.943 --> 0:10:27.343 the entrance or it's actually not as accessible as what 0:10:27.343 --> 0:10:29.583 people like to portray it on the website so they 0:10:29.583 --> 0:10:31.643 can give the warts and all. This is what it 0:10:31.643 --> 0:10:34.283 really looks like and would be really like to visit. 0:10:34.323 --> 0:10:36.923 Now I'll bring in Nina. Nina, can you introduce yourself 0:10:36.923 --> 0:10:39.483 and how did you get involved with this project? 0:10:39.523 --> 0:10:45.203 Well, I'm Nina, um, I'm a disability advocate, and sometimes 0:10:45.203 --> 0:10:49.203 I am also a writer and a speaker. I joined 0:10:49.203 --> 0:10:55.163 the Connect Up project in, I think, February 2025, when 0:10:55.163 --> 0:10:59.482 they were actually beginning the build process of the app. 0:10:59.883 --> 0:11:05.242 I was actually introduced to the project by a friend 0:11:05.443 --> 0:11:10.763 who had a friend already involved. And so she said 0:11:10.763 --> 0:11:12.683 to me, I think this is something that would be 0:11:12.683 --> 0:11:16.803 right up your alley. And it was, um, so I 0:11:16.843 --> 0:11:21.123 went to the first meeting and wasn't thrown out. So 0:11:21.723 --> 0:11:23.163 I'm still involved. 0:11:23.363 --> 0:11:27.003 And just to explain the nature of your disabilities, uh, 0:11:27.003 --> 0:11:29.953 because you have a variety of different things going on. Nina? 0:11:29.993 --> 0:11:33.273 Can you tell the people what your main disabilities are, please? 0:11:33.473 --> 0:11:38.273 Yes. I am deaf, blind, and I've been deaf blind 0:11:38.273 --> 0:11:43.993 for about 17 years. Um, but my overall disability is 0:11:43.993 --> 0:11:48.513 called incontinentia pigmenti, which no one's ever heard of. It's 0:11:48.513 --> 0:11:54.953 very rare, but it involves general muscle weakness and nerve thing. 0:11:54.953 --> 0:11:58.872 So occasionally I twitch and that sort of stuff. It 0:11:58.913 --> 0:12:04.473 impairs my ability to walk great distances. So today I 0:12:04.473 --> 0:12:08.353 have my walking frame with me, which I lovingly call Cecilie. Um, 0:12:08.353 --> 0:12:10.953 but sometimes I also use a wheelchair. 0:12:10.993 --> 0:12:14.753 You're the second person I've met that's named their walker. 0:12:14.793 --> 0:12:18.112 I find that quite intriguing and fun. Um, there is 0:12:18.113 --> 0:12:22.873 a debate in the blindness circle about decorating and bedazzling 0:12:22.873 --> 0:12:26.033 and so on. White canes. It's a whole movement. And 0:12:26.073 --> 0:12:30.693 there's very gorgeous pretty women across the world who want 0:12:30.733 --> 0:12:33.733 to be glamorous and who are blind and have sparkly 0:12:33.733 --> 0:12:37.453 white canes. So, Nina, how do you find this app? 0:12:37.493 --> 0:12:38.973 Have you been using it? 0:12:39.453 --> 0:12:44.213 Um, yes, the app itself I don't use on the phone. 0:12:44.213 --> 0:12:48.453 I use it on the website. Um, because I use 0:12:48.693 --> 0:12:52.013 jaws software, screen reading software, and it's just easier for 0:12:52.013 --> 0:12:55.893 me to use it via the website than the app. 0:12:56.293 --> 0:12:59.493 It will do everything I need it to do, but 0:12:59.493 --> 0:13:04.413 mainly my interest is in finding out whether places I 0:13:04.413 --> 0:13:09.173 want to go are going to accommodate me, or looking 0:13:09.173 --> 0:13:12.293 for places that will accommodate me that I might not 0:13:12.293 --> 0:13:15.813 have been to before it. You know, it does take 0:13:15.853 --> 0:13:19.973 a little bit of effort sometimes to organize yourself when 0:13:19.973 --> 0:13:23.213 you've got a disability to get somewhere, but also to 0:13:23.253 --> 0:13:26.373 psych yourself up to leave the house and then to 0:13:26.413 --> 0:13:30.843 get to a venue and find that after you've psyched 0:13:30.883 --> 0:13:33.563 yourself up, that it's not going to work for you 0:13:33.563 --> 0:13:38.723 and you've gone there for nothing is really disappointing and annoying. 0:13:39.003 --> 0:13:43.683 So that's my main interest. Um, but I also like 0:13:43.723 --> 0:13:48.003 the idea that I can put my $0.02 worth in 0:13:48.043 --> 0:13:53.763 as well and talk about how venues or activities are 0:13:53.803 --> 0:13:59.603 for me with my specific combination of disabilities, I might have, um, 0:13:59.603 --> 0:14:04.923 a different perspective that someone else hasn't had and vice versa. 0:14:04.923 --> 0:14:06.563 So we can learn from each other. 0:14:06.843 --> 0:14:08.643 Craig, I'll bring you in at this point. Can you 0:14:08.643 --> 0:14:12.763 tell us the main key features of the Connect Up 0:14:12.803 --> 0:14:13.963 app and project? 0:14:14.003 --> 0:14:15.963 I mean, you sort of mentioned it at the beginning, 0:14:16.003 --> 0:14:18.403 so I'm probably the one of the main features is 0:14:18.403 --> 0:14:23.803 the ability to connect between individuals. Um, so when you 0:14:23.843 --> 0:14:28.263 create your profile, you can, you can form connections and friendships. 0:14:28.263 --> 0:14:30.823 There is a text chat function where you can chat 0:14:30.823 --> 0:14:33.903 with with people you connect with. You can also do 0:14:33.903 --> 0:14:36.503 that within a group. Then. Then some of the other 0:14:36.503 --> 0:14:40.423 main features are there's a, there's a map which we can, 0:14:40.463 --> 0:14:44.063 we can add events and comments in the map. And 0:14:44.063 --> 0:14:47.103 then there's a calendar of events. And in that we, 0:14:47.143 --> 0:14:51.463 we can get information from various websites. You know, we 0:14:51.503 --> 0:14:55.143 scrape the web and, and it, it updates automatically of 0:14:55.423 --> 0:14:58.543 events that are in certain areas using disability sports groups 0:14:58.543 --> 0:15:01.623 and things like that. But also, you know, a user 0:15:01.623 --> 0:15:05.023 can create an event that they invite people to and 0:15:05.023 --> 0:15:07.903 organize that and they can have the choices of how 0:15:07.903 --> 0:15:10.423 those things are organized, but they can create that and 0:15:10.663 --> 0:15:13.103 put that on there. And as Nina was saying that 0:15:13.103 --> 0:15:18.303 people can for events and activities and places that users 0:15:18.303 --> 0:15:22.423 can rate, um, rate how accessible it really was, you know, 0:15:22.423 --> 0:15:24.423 it's not just giving it a star rating or it's five, 0:15:24.583 --> 0:15:29.293 five stars. It's it's giving ratings on the aspects of 0:15:29.333 --> 0:15:32.653 the venue, which is important, which were deemed important by 0:15:32.693 --> 0:15:36.773 our Co-designers. Mhm. Such as accessibility. And the other the 0:15:36.773 --> 0:15:38.893 other thing I should say is that, as Nina highlighted, 0:15:38.893 --> 0:15:41.093 that we. The other thing we pull into the into 0:15:41.093 --> 0:15:43.533 the app are things like where, believe it or not, there's, 0:15:43.773 --> 0:15:47.173 there's a database of where disabled parking bays are and 0:15:47.173 --> 0:15:50.653 disabled toilets and they get populated into the app. So, 0:15:50.773 --> 0:15:54.293 you know, there's some general information stuff which is there, 0:15:54.293 --> 0:15:56.693 which is populated into the app and you can turn 0:15:56.693 --> 0:15:59.253 some of those features on and off. People can change 0:15:59.253 --> 0:16:01.653 the colours and font size and those sorts of things 0:16:01.653 --> 0:16:05.253 to make it easier to read. Yeah. And as Nina said, 0:16:05.253 --> 0:16:09.173 the the website works much better than much better for 0:16:09.213 --> 0:16:12.333 a screen reader. Yeah. Um, so we've tried to include 0:16:12.333 --> 0:16:15.933 as many accessible features as we could within the, within 0:16:15.973 --> 0:16:18.173 the tight constraints of our budget. 0:16:18.213 --> 0:16:20.213 One of your colleagues who I spoke to on the 0:16:20.213 --> 0:16:22.173 phone about this when we were getting this set up, 0:16:22.453 --> 0:16:26.633 talked about that chat function and the the social aspect 0:16:26.633 --> 0:16:30.433 of it. Now, I was intrigued to find out about 0:16:30.433 --> 0:16:34.033 that because we do know that you this is aimed 0:16:34.033 --> 0:16:36.273 for people with disabilities. And some of those people are 0:16:36.273 --> 0:16:40.713 very vulnerable, especially if they are already isolated and really 0:16:40.753 --> 0:16:43.033 hanging out to meet new people. I believe there are 0:16:43.073 --> 0:16:46.953 safeguards within this, especially regarding the chat process and the 0:16:46.953 --> 0:16:49.793 connecting process, like it's monitored and so on. 0:16:50.153 --> 0:16:54.273 I mean, within it, there's, um, one, we set up the, um, 0:16:54.393 --> 0:16:57.913 the guidelines in terms of what, what's expected in terms 0:16:57.913 --> 0:17:00.833 of the members of connect up in terms of what, um, 0:17:00.833 --> 0:17:04.673 what behaviours are promoting, which is, I suppose you know, 0:17:04.673 --> 0:17:09.073 all about inclusion and um, being kind etc. to each other, 0:17:09.113 --> 0:17:12.073 you know, we, we do need someone to let us 0:17:12.072 --> 0:17:16.673 know that there's some been some, um, something that was inappropriate. Um, 0:17:16.673 --> 0:17:19.152 and then they can let us know and what happens 0:17:19.153 --> 0:17:21.753 is that we then go and investigate it, but initially 0:17:21.753 --> 0:17:25.023 that suspend the other person's account, and then we will 0:17:25.062 --> 0:17:29.183 investigate and see what's see what's actually happened. And because 0:17:29.183 --> 0:17:32.542 it's a, it's a text function, we can actually, um, 0:17:32.542 --> 0:17:34.822 go back and review all of those things in terms 0:17:34.822 --> 0:17:37.223 of what was said and actually follow up from there. 0:17:37.263 --> 0:17:40.863 You know, we had some co-designers that wanted either a voice, 0:17:41.062 --> 0:17:44.783 voice chat or a video chat. Um, and if we 0:17:44.782 --> 0:17:46.743 were to use that, it would mean actually we'd have 0:17:46.743 --> 0:17:51.102 less opportunity to go and investigate what actually happened because those, 0:17:51.142 --> 0:17:53.822 those voice or video chats disappear and we can't check 0:17:53.822 --> 0:17:57.822 what's happened, what was actually said. So if it was 0:17:57.862 --> 0:18:00.263 said that someone was being inappropriate, you know, we can 0:18:00.302 --> 0:18:04.062 actually remove them from the app. And so that they don't, 0:18:04.342 --> 0:18:06.782 you know, continue to do that. Um, because that was 0:18:06.822 --> 0:18:09.702 the safety quite rightly, is one of the most important 0:18:09.703 --> 0:18:12.823 aspects that people ask for within this. And we're going 0:18:12.862 --> 0:18:14.142 to do the best we can, and we're going to 0:18:14.142 --> 0:18:16.503 continue to work on that because this is the first 0:18:16.503 --> 0:18:20.303 iteration of the app. And we'll no doubt find, um, 0:18:20.622 --> 0:18:22.492 new things that we need to do, whether it be 0:18:22.493 --> 0:18:25.333 related to safety or other features as well. So we'll 0:18:25.332 --> 0:18:26.532 see where it goes with that. 0:18:27.092 --> 0:18:30.173 You're listening to In Plain Sight on Vision Australia Radio 0:18:30.372 --> 0:18:33.932 with Simon Cheung and me, Andrew Williams. Our guests this 0:18:33.933 --> 0:18:38.373 week are Nina Butler, a disability advocate and design consultant 0:18:38.372 --> 0:18:41.253 for Connect Up, which is a new app and online 0:18:41.253 --> 0:18:46.052 platform co-designed for people with disability and carers. And Craig Thomson, 0:18:46.253 --> 0:18:50.212 researcher at Curtin Uni and co-creator of Connect Up. And 0:18:50.213 --> 0:18:52.693 now it's back to Simon, Craig and Nina. 0:18:53.292 --> 0:18:57.052 So, Nina, you spoke earlier about a friend recommended you 0:18:57.052 --> 0:19:00.213 going on to this co-design panel and process for this 0:19:00.213 --> 0:19:03.812 particular project, because it was right up your alley. So 0:19:03.852 --> 0:19:06.133 give us a little bit of background. Nina, I've looked 0:19:06.132 --> 0:19:07.612 you up on the internet. You have a bit of 0:19:07.612 --> 0:19:10.453 a presence there. You have a blog, you have other 0:19:10.733 --> 0:19:13.253 things going on. Can tell us a little bit about 0:19:13.253 --> 0:19:15.853 yourself and some of the other interests that you have. 0:19:15.973 --> 0:19:20.993 Well, I'm, um, funny looking and because I'm funny looking, 0:19:21.792 --> 0:19:28.192 people make assumptions about my capabilities, and because of that, 0:19:28.433 --> 0:19:31.193 I have a bit of a fire in my belly 0:19:31.392 --> 0:19:35.233 to prove that what someone looks like or how someone 0:19:35.233 --> 0:19:40.953 presents isn't necessarily gospel. So yes, I do have a blog. 0:19:40.953 --> 0:19:44.112 It's called Inner Musings of a Funny Looking Kid, and 0:19:44.153 --> 0:19:49.513 I write about my experiences as a funny looking person 0:19:49.513 --> 0:19:54.592 in a normal person's world. So, you know, highlighting discrimination 0:19:54.592 --> 0:19:59.273 or inappropriate contact, that sort of stuff. And I like 0:19:59.273 --> 0:20:03.592 to be part of projects like this because it allows 0:20:03.592 --> 0:20:08.433 people with disabilities to not only meet each other and 0:20:08.433 --> 0:20:13.193 make friends and, you know, compare notes and know that 0:20:13.193 --> 0:20:19.152 they're not the only person experiencing discrimination or isolation or 0:20:19.263 --> 0:20:23.143 anything like that. But they're also it gives us the 0:20:23.142 --> 0:20:26.542 ability to be out and about. And I think the 0:20:26.542 --> 0:20:30.463 more a person with a disability, any kind of disability 0:20:30.463 --> 0:20:34.583 is out and about, the more quote unquote normalized it 0:20:34.582 --> 0:20:39.383 is and the less of a novelty we become. And 0:20:39.382 --> 0:20:45.503 I think the novelty aspect of it is what drives 0:20:45.503 --> 0:20:52.542 the discrimination or the unwanted help or unwanted attention. So 0:20:52.542 --> 0:20:57.023 I think if we can, quote unquote, normalize being out 0:20:57.062 --> 0:21:02.023 and about and accessing the community and, um, make it 0:21:02.062 --> 0:21:08.263 more accepted that if there's a ramp or if there's, 0:21:08.542 --> 0:21:14.183 you know, an accessible anything, it benefits everybody. It's not 0:21:14.183 --> 0:21:17.223 just something that you've put there so that you can 0:21:17.223 --> 0:21:21.122 be woke and I can join in if I want to. 0:21:21.322 --> 0:21:26.282 It's something that. It means that I'm included and I'm 0:21:26.322 --> 0:21:32.042 thought of. And I'm a normal person, just like everybody else. 0:21:32.082 --> 0:21:35.163 You know, I'm respected in the same way that someone 0:21:35.163 --> 0:21:35.803 else is. 0:21:35.923 --> 0:21:40.402 With your experience using the website for Connect Up, you 0:21:40.403 --> 0:21:43.483 say you're a Jaws user. We've only just met today. 0:21:43.483 --> 0:21:48.922 Your vision is quite low. How do you find the website? 0:21:49.042 --> 0:21:53.802 In regards to accessibility. Ah. I often find those interactive 0:21:53.802 --> 0:21:58.842 maps to be quite tricky and not as interactive as 0:21:59.082 --> 0:22:01.322 they're designed to be. With my vision and the method, 0:22:01.322 --> 0:22:03.362 I use a computer. And so can you tell us 0:22:03.362 --> 0:22:06.443 your your experience, not just with the map, but with 0:22:06.443 --> 0:22:07.523 the website itself? 0:22:07.562 --> 0:22:11.523 Well, the interactive map is probably the least accessible thing 0:22:11.523 --> 0:22:16.122 because by design a map is a visual tool, but 0:22:16.122 --> 0:22:20.432 you can go from pin to pin. It'll tell you 0:22:20.713 --> 0:22:22.833 there's a pin here, so you can go and have 0:22:22.832 --> 0:22:25.513 a look and see what that pin is. You can um, 0:22:25.552 --> 0:22:29.312 it's easy to with the tab or the, the arrows 0:22:29.473 --> 0:22:33.313 up and down, and it'll take you from pin to pin. 0:22:33.552 --> 0:22:37.313 It'll tell you that there is um, something there to 0:22:37.352 --> 0:22:40.153 look at. So then it will open it and you 0:22:40.153 --> 0:22:43.832 can read any reviews or you can read what that 0:22:43.832 --> 0:22:51.152 specific venue lists as their facilities or their accessibility accommodations 0:22:51.433 --> 0:22:56.112 and gives you the option as well to leave a 0:22:56.153 --> 0:23:00.673 bit of a review about what your experience was. 0:23:00.713 --> 0:23:05.112 Craig, did people from the back end review the reviews? 0:23:05.392 --> 0:23:09.432 Because that is, uh, problematic sometimes, isn't it, when people 0:23:09.473 --> 0:23:12.112 might we hear about that give a bad review about 0:23:12.112 --> 0:23:15.273 a restaurant just because they had one bad day and 0:23:15.273 --> 0:23:17.612 didn't like it? Does it ever get reviewed? 0:23:17.852 --> 0:23:19.933 I suppose it's down to the users in a way 0:23:19.933 --> 0:23:23.812 to to flag that a review is um, say inappropriate. Um, 0:23:23.852 --> 0:23:26.213 and there's an opportunity to flag that up and we can, 0:23:26.253 --> 0:23:28.292 we can remove that. One thing I do want to 0:23:28.292 --> 0:23:31.013 stress is that, for example, you're giving you the description 0:23:31.013 --> 0:23:33.692 a little bit of how she uses her, the screen 0:23:33.693 --> 0:23:37.413 reader to me as a researcher and trying to make 0:23:37.413 --> 0:23:42.453 this as user friendly as possible. That's absolutely invaluable. Yes. Um, because, 0:23:42.973 --> 0:23:45.972 you know, I while my vision is not perfect, but 0:23:45.973 --> 0:23:47.572 I can correct it with glasses so I can, so 0:23:47.572 --> 0:23:50.612 I can manage that. I wouldn't know what, what Nina's 0:23:50.612 --> 0:23:54.052 experience was. Um, so yeah, I've got to say every 0:23:54.052 --> 0:23:58.013 single time we were meeting as a researcher, we were 0:23:58.013 --> 0:24:02.092 learning heaps and heaps of information about what people wanted, 0:24:02.092 --> 0:24:04.892 what worked, what didn't work, and, um, all sorts of 0:24:04.892 --> 0:24:07.972 different workarounds that people might have had to do in 0:24:07.973 --> 0:24:09.692 the past. But hopefully we don't have to do in 0:24:09.693 --> 0:24:10.213 the future. 0:24:10.213 --> 0:24:13.492 Craig so I'll just ask you to explain some of 0:24:13.532 --> 0:24:16.322 the how it works. So like I logged in, I 0:24:16.322 --> 0:24:19.243 used all my real names and birth dates and everything 0:24:19.243 --> 0:24:22.203 like that. Tried to be a good person. I don't 0:24:22.203 --> 0:24:25.203 know if I put in that I'm vision impaired. I 0:24:25.203 --> 0:24:29.483 did choose some recreational activities, leisure activities that I like, 0:24:29.483 --> 0:24:33.003 including dancing. So when I logged on to the website again, 0:24:33.003 --> 0:24:36.243 after I did all that sign up process, it came 0:24:36.243 --> 0:24:40.683 up with a recommendation near me for ballroom fit. Now, 0:24:40.842 --> 0:24:44.122 is that because Ballroom Fit is the only registered dance troupe? 0:24:44.122 --> 0:24:47.282 Or somehow, does the app know that I'm visually impaired 0:24:47.282 --> 0:24:50.203 because it's reading my data? How did that actually work? 0:24:50.243 --> 0:24:54.082 No. So I mean, it, um, looked at what you 0:24:54.122 --> 0:24:57.403 flagged as your interests. Uh, it's not, we're not specified 0:24:57.403 --> 0:24:59.442 based on disability. And in fact, that was one of 0:24:59.443 --> 0:25:02.562 the things that the, the co-design group wanted. They didn't 0:25:02.562 --> 0:25:05.963 want people to be defined by their disability. They wanted 0:25:06.243 --> 0:25:10.443 to be connecting with people because they had similar interests. Um, 0:25:10.443 --> 0:25:14.503 so ballroom fit is an organization, um, which is registered 0:25:14.503 --> 0:25:17.663 with registered in connect up as well. So the other 0:25:17.663 --> 0:25:21.143 groups of people that can register are organizations. Now they 0:25:21.263 --> 0:25:24.823 effectively apply to go in and we vet them and 0:25:25.263 --> 0:25:28.182 allow them into the system as as appropriate. So it 0:25:28.183 --> 0:25:33.503 will have just matched up. It said what organisations run some. 0:25:33.542 --> 0:25:34.023 Dancing. 0:25:34.062 --> 0:25:38.263 Dancing for for that are accessible that um, you know, 0:25:38.423 --> 0:25:43.503 cater for people, um, with various disabilities and you know, so. Darryl. 0:25:43.542 --> 0:25:45.862 Darryl Davenport from Ballroom fit. Hello. 0:25:46.302 --> 0:25:48.663 Thanks for recommending this conversation. 0:25:48.703 --> 0:25:51.183 I mean, Darryl's actually been a great supporter of, of 0:25:51.183 --> 0:25:54.542 us in terms of, um, joining in when, you know, 0:25:54.582 --> 0:25:57.983 we have a meeting every year where we invite every, 0:25:58.023 --> 0:26:00.782 all the researchers from around the country who invite, um, 0:26:00.782 --> 0:26:04.382 people with disabilities and carers to the co-designers to come 0:26:04.382 --> 0:26:08.142 and organisations as well. So Darryl's come in and given 0:26:08.142 --> 0:26:11.343 us again, some amazing pieces of advice about what we 0:26:11.342 --> 0:26:13.133 can do and how we can set it up to 0:26:13.173 --> 0:26:16.173 develop the app. Um, to answer the original question, it's 0:26:16.173 --> 0:26:19.733 not hasn't somehow picked up that you're vision impaired. It's 0:26:19.733 --> 0:26:22.612 not we don't have, we don't, there's no, um big 0:26:22.612 --> 0:26:24.933 brother trying to work those things out. It's just gone off. 0:26:24.933 --> 0:26:26.292 What were your preferences? 0:26:26.332 --> 0:26:26.812 Okay. 0:26:26.973 --> 0:26:30.493 So can I ask how do people, individuals and how 0:26:30.493 --> 0:26:35.013 do groups register become part of this, especially groups? 0:26:35.013 --> 0:26:37.612 Well, they either go to the they go to the website, 0:26:37.612 --> 0:26:44.173 which is ww.connect.org.au. Um, and they scroll down and there's 0:26:44.173 --> 0:26:47.252 a button there that says um, join, um, and it 0:26:47.253 --> 0:26:50.652 will ask you which category you're falling into and you'll 0:26:50.653 --> 0:26:54.373 fill in your profile details. If you're a regular person 0:26:54.372 --> 0:26:57.693 like you, me, Nina, you know, we, we put in 0:26:57.693 --> 0:27:00.813 our details of us personally and, um, put a photo 0:27:00.812 --> 0:27:03.373 in there. Um, and these photos in our age were 0:27:03.372 --> 0:27:06.013 actually some of the safety features people wanted. So they 0:27:06.052 --> 0:27:08.973 see that it's a real individual. This is who, who 0:27:08.973 --> 0:27:11.953 I'm meeting in terms of their age and then sends 0:27:11.953 --> 0:27:15.153 you an email to then verify your account. Then you're 0:27:15.153 --> 0:27:18.713 set up as an individual. The organization's very similar apart 0:27:18.713 --> 0:27:22.153 from it then goes through, you know, gets doesn't get 0:27:22.153 --> 0:27:25.873 activated immediately get gets sent through to um, Dom who 0:27:25.872 --> 0:27:29.352 is the, you know, will go and review that. And um, if, 0:27:29.352 --> 0:27:32.233 if the person's from a real organization that really exists 0:27:32.233 --> 0:27:35.552 that really is working for people with disabilities or for carers. 0:27:35.872 --> 0:27:39.753 She'll activate that. Um, and then they can then start, 0:27:40.273 --> 0:27:42.513 you know, putting things into the app. That's what the, 0:27:42.673 --> 0:27:47.233 the organisation's there to effectively say, uh, like Darryl Baldwin 0:27:47.433 --> 0:27:51.153 would say, I'm running a certain event on in, you know, 0:27:51.193 --> 0:27:53.393 in High Wycombe and it's at this time you can 0:27:53.392 --> 0:27:54.032 come along. 0:27:54.032 --> 0:27:57.753 Nina, when you after you got through the co-design process. 0:27:57.753 --> 0:28:00.472 And I really like the everything I've read about the 0:28:00.473 --> 0:28:03.552 co-design process and what you've told us so far. What 0:28:03.552 --> 0:28:06.392 were some of the interests and hobbies and leisure activities 0:28:06.392 --> 0:28:08.832 that you put down as your your things that you 0:28:08.872 --> 0:28:09.473 like to do? 0:28:09.913 --> 0:28:13.023 Um, well, dancing was one of mine. Um, I think 0:28:13.062 --> 0:28:16.702 lots of us said dancing, but that was on my list. Also, 0:28:16.743 --> 0:28:21.623 at the time I was training for the city to surf, 0:28:21.622 --> 0:28:26.622 so I had walking as well, and my interest was 0:28:26.822 --> 0:28:34.422 walking tracks specifically. So not necessarily in the neighborhood or 0:28:34.782 --> 0:28:37.942 even in a stadium, but, you know, at a park. 0:28:38.383 --> 0:28:43.983 And I am a regular gym user and a regular Pilates. 0:28:44.383 --> 0:28:44.903 So how did. 0:28:44.903 --> 0:28:48.223 You find this in regards to doing something like the gym, 0:28:48.223 --> 0:28:51.182 for instance, and using this type of system, rather than 0:28:51.503 --> 0:28:55.183 hiring your own support worker to accompany you to the gym? 0:28:55.423 --> 0:28:58.703 Can you compare and contrast those types? Two little experiences? 0:28:58.983 --> 0:29:04.222 Well, with me, I need to have because of my blindness, 0:29:04.223 --> 0:29:08.263 but also my mobility issues. I need to have a 0:29:08.303 --> 0:29:12.123 support worker or a companion with me when I'm out 0:29:12.123 --> 0:29:17.283 in a new place. So regardless of whether I meet 0:29:17.323 --> 0:29:20.363 someone on the app to do it with, I would 0:29:20.363 --> 0:29:25.003 also have to take somebody with me. But it is, 0:29:25.203 --> 0:29:30.003 I think, comforting to know that when you meet somebody 0:29:30.043 --> 0:29:33.763 on the app and you connect with them and, um, 0:29:33.803 --> 0:29:36.843 find that you have a mutual interest in a specific 0:29:37.203 --> 0:29:41.923 activity or sport that they are already open to the 0:29:41.923 --> 0:29:46.843 idea that your body might move in a different way 0:29:47.203 --> 0:29:51.323 and they might need to make accommodations for you. So 0:29:51.563 --> 0:29:56.123 for me personally, it is a bit of a. 0:29:56.563 --> 0:29:57.523 Extra bonus. 0:29:57.683 --> 0:30:00.323 A bit of a bonus because it means that, you know, 0:30:00.363 --> 0:30:02.763 there's lots of activities that I would love to do, 0:30:03.043 --> 0:30:06.402 but I'm a bit slower at doing them. 0:30:06.443 --> 0:30:06.883 I think what. 0:30:06.883 --> 0:30:07.603 You've highlighted. 0:30:07.603 --> 0:30:10.713 There, Nina is you can have a paid support worker 0:30:10.713 --> 0:30:14.073 with you who understands your physical needs and your emotional 0:30:14.073 --> 0:30:16.952 needs and whatever you need support for. But then you 0:30:16.953 --> 0:30:19.473 can also then go along for someone who has an 0:30:19.473 --> 0:30:23.113 expertise in the activity. So just saying that we need 0:30:23.113 --> 0:30:26.313 to finish up now. Nina, could you leave us with 0:30:26.313 --> 0:30:30.193 something that you'd like to tell people about yourself and 0:30:30.233 --> 0:30:31.233 this app, please? 0:30:31.993 --> 0:30:36.233 Um, well, I really like connect up because as I say, 0:30:36.233 --> 0:30:40.712 it gives me, um, the option of the ability, I 0:30:40.713 --> 0:30:44.273 should say, to connect with other people, but to do 0:30:44.553 --> 0:30:48.633 physical activities that I might not have thought were possible. Um, 0:30:48.633 --> 0:30:52.353 and the confidence to do them because I know that 0:30:52.392 --> 0:30:56.513 even if I'm meeting with another person with disability who 0:30:56.513 --> 0:31:00.073 has a different disability to mine, they may, you know, 0:31:00.353 --> 0:31:03.513 be more open to waiting a few minutes for me 0:31:03.513 --> 0:31:06.553 to catch up to them, etc.. So I would definitely 0:31:06.553 --> 0:31:10.133 recommend that everyone gets on board and, you know, sign 0:31:10.133 --> 0:31:12.613 up and have a go. You know, you can use 0:31:12.613 --> 0:31:15.412 it as much or as little as you want. And it's, 0:31:15.413 --> 0:31:20.333 it's not a, it's not a confronting in your face app. So, 0:31:20.373 --> 0:31:22.773 you know, you can take it at your own pace, 0:31:22.773 --> 0:31:23.853 which is what I like. 0:31:24.133 --> 0:31:27.252 Thanks, Nina. Craig, something you like to finish up with 0:31:27.493 --> 0:31:31.093 in regards to the connect app and project for me? 0:31:31.253 --> 0:31:33.573 You know, one of the things I'm passionate about is 0:31:33.573 --> 0:31:36.373 people being able to do the things that they want 0:31:36.373 --> 0:31:39.653 to do regardless, um, of, you know what that is, 0:31:39.653 --> 0:31:42.212 no one should have a, you know, society putting limits, 0:31:42.253 --> 0:31:44.932 limits on them. Um, from my perspective, it would be 0:31:44.933 --> 0:31:49.413 amazing if connect up allows people to meet new people and, 0:31:49.413 --> 0:31:54.133 and find new things. If it helps even one person's enough. 0:31:54.133 --> 0:31:57.172 But what I, you know, what I'm hoping for is 0:31:57.173 --> 0:32:00.893 that we can, um, gradually, you know, we've rolled this 0:32:00.892 --> 0:32:03.973 out in WA and we're aiming to roll it out 0:32:04.333 --> 0:32:07.922 through in other states and hopefully that we'll get can 0:32:07.923 --> 0:32:11.243 be used by people with disabilities by and care and 0:32:11.243 --> 0:32:14.722 carers so that they can actually connect and um, you know, 0:32:14.763 --> 0:32:17.683 get something out of it. Um, any small numbers is great, 0:32:17.683 --> 0:32:20.443 but um, you know, I think as Nina said, if people, 0:32:20.483 --> 0:32:22.603 you know, give it a go and explore it, if it's, 0:32:22.642 --> 0:32:24.603 if it's not for you, then that's fine. But I 0:32:24.603 --> 0:32:28.242 think just, you know, taking that opportunity, that's what I 0:32:28.243 --> 0:32:29.603 hope people get out of this. 0:32:30.003 --> 0:32:32.403 Okay. So that's all we have time for. I really 0:32:32.403 --> 0:32:36.003 recommend people having a look at this website and app, uh, 0:32:36.003 --> 0:32:39.243 and the connect up app. We will, if you're listening 0:32:39.283 --> 0:32:41.963 to the podcast, we will put the details of that 0:32:42.243 --> 0:32:46.402 on our show notes in our podcast description. And if 0:32:46.403 --> 0:32:48.603 you're on the radio and you didn't catch all that, 0:32:48.603 --> 0:32:52.283 contact us here at Vision Australia Radio Perth and our 0:32:52.843 --> 0:32:56.643 In Plain Sight email, which is in plain sight at 0:32:56.642 --> 0:32:59.803 vision australia.org. And we can find out more. So I'd 0:32:59.803 --> 0:33:04.162 like to thank Craig Thompson from Curtin University, who's representing 0:33:04.323 --> 0:33:08.343 the Connect Up project. And Nina Butler, and thank you 0:33:08.383 --> 0:33:10.743 both for coming in and telling us all about this 0:33:10.743 --> 0:33:13.262 wonderful project. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot, guys. And 0:33:13.263 --> 0:33:15.662 that was really great. Thanks for joining us once again 0:33:15.663 --> 0:33:18.063 on In Plain Sight and Vision Australia Radio. Look forward 0:33:18.063 --> 0:33:20.343 to speaking to you next time. Bye for now. Cheers. 0:33:31.103 --> 0:33:33.743 That concludes in Plain Sight for this week. Join us 0:33:33.743 --> 0:33:36.863 at the same time next week on Vision Australia Radio, 0:33:37.183 --> 0:33:42.023 VA radio Digital and online at VA radio.org. You can 0:33:42.023 --> 0:33:45.503 also listen on demand by searching for In Plain Sight 0:33:45.503 --> 0:33:49.383 by Vision Australia Radio. 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