WEBVTT - Talking Tech 13th August 2024 0:00:21.228 --> 0:00:25.188 Hello everyone. Welcome to Talking Tech. This edition available from 0:00:25.188 --> 0:00:29.268 August 13th, 2024. I'm Stephen Jolly, great to have you 0:00:29.298 --> 0:00:33.438 with us listening maybe through Vision Australia radio associated stations 0:00:33.438 --> 0:00:37.938 of the Radio Reading Network, formerly Rph Australia, the Community 0:00:37.938 --> 0:00:41.748 Radio Network. And there is also the podcast. Don't forget 0:00:41.748 --> 0:00:43.818 that all you need to do is search for the 0:00:43.818 --> 0:00:46.848 two words talking tech and Dan. It can all come 0:00:46.848 --> 0:00:49.968 usually on a Tuesday afternoon just after it's been produced. 0:00:49.968 --> 0:00:53.178 Another option is to ask your Siri device or smart 0:00:53.178 --> 0:00:57.888 speaker to play. Vision Australia radio talking tech podcast. Vision 0:00:57.918 --> 0:01:02.118 Australia radio talking tech podcast with me, someone who can 0:01:02.118 --> 0:01:05.898 explain all this tech stuff really well. Vision Australia's national 0:01:05.898 --> 0:01:11.988 advisor on access technology David Woodbridge. David, this week more 0:01:11.988 --> 0:01:16.728 for our low vision cohort with some further discussion on 0:01:16.728 --> 0:01:21.638 the big purple phone. And you spoke recently with someone 0:01:21.638 --> 0:01:25.778 from the family company that has developed and sells this phone. 0:01:25.808 --> 0:01:28.508 I certainly did, and I caught up with her over 0:01:28.508 --> 0:01:31.148 the weekend, so I hope folks really enjoy that. The 0:01:31.148 --> 0:01:32.138 interview that I had. 0:01:32.138 --> 0:01:35.798 So this is with Libby Henderson, who's the commercial sales 0:01:35.798 --> 0:01:40.238 director with Big purple phones, speaking recently with David Woodbridge. 0:01:40.268 --> 0:01:41.768 Hi, Libby, and welcome to the program. 0:01:41.798 --> 0:01:44.348 Thank you David, it's great to be here. 0:01:44.468 --> 0:01:47.498 So let's just get the the name out of the 0:01:47.498 --> 0:01:50.768 way first. So and describe briefly what it is. So 0:01:50.768 --> 0:01:52.688 what is the big purple phone. 0:01:52.718 --> 0:01:55.238 Yeah the big purple phone. It's a phone that we 0:01:55.238 --> 0:01:59.738 designed uh, for, for a scenario we had in my family. 0:01:59.738 --> 0:02:03.758 So my mother, during Covid had a stroke and couldn't 0:02:03.758 --> 0:02:06.518 remember how to use her phone. Uh, and she was 0:02:06.518 --> 0:02:09.548 isolated from us. We had such a terrible journey with 0:02:09.548 --> 0:02:12.938 her trying to get hold of her, and, uh, we 0:02:12.938 --> 0:02:14.618 went looking for a phone for her that would suit 0:02:14.618 --> 0:02:17.368 her and couldn't find anything, really. That was simple enough 0:02:17.368 --> 0:02:20.968 for her that she could learn quickly and use without 0:02:20.968 --> 0:02:23.278 us there to help her, and so that sent us 0:02:23.308 --> 0:02:25.318 on this journey. When I say us, myself and my 0:02:25.318 --> 0:02:28.678 husband James on this journey to create a phone and 0:02:28.678 --> 0:02:31.678 as it turns out, my background is digital design with 0:02:31.678 --> 0:02:33.838 a little bit of accessibility from my time with the 0:02:33.838 --> 0:02:36.808 Commonwealth Bank. And my husband James was with Telstra for 0:02:36.808 --> 0:02:41.008 25 years. So between us, we had this amazing complementary 0:02:41.008 --> 0:02:44.608 skill set that we pulled together and and and designed 0:02:44.608 --> 0:02:47.758 the big purple phone. So it's a larger phone. It's 0:02:47.758 --> 0:02:50.068 it's a taller phone. So it's about as wide as it, 0:02:50.068 --> 0:02:52.828 as kind of a regular phone. Um, mobile phone. But 0:02:52.858 --> 0:02:54.808 it's but the screen real estate we get from the 0:02:54.808 --> 0:02:57.148 extra height is where we sort of get that bigger, 0:02:57.328 --> 0:02:59.368 bigger screen real estate from. It's sort of a 20 0:02:59.398 --> 0:03:03.238 by nine proportion. So it's quite tall as a phone. Um, 0:03:03.238 --> 0:03:04.918 but you can still sort of hold it comfortably in 0:03:04.918 --> 0:03:07.288 your hand because the width is kind of good. So 0:03:07.288 --> 0:03:10.738 it's bigger, it's purple. Um, it has high contrast, bigger, 0:03:10.738 --> 0:03:13.558 brighter and better and, um, and easier to use. 0:03:13.618 --> 0:03:16.298 How many icons would be on the main what we 0:03:16.298 --> 0:03:18.338 tend to in techie land called the home screen. How 0:03:18.338 --> 0:03:20.528 many icons would you be talking about on the screen? 0:03:20.558 --> 0:03:23.588 So as standard there's about ten. You can add more in, 0:03:23.618 --> 0:03:26.018 you can add more buttons in, but generally they're just 0:03:26.018 --> 0:03:30.338 the standard buttons. They're sort of phone text message camera, 0:03:30.818 --> 0:03:36.398 photo gallery. There's a brightness button, torch, weather, video calling radio. 0:03:36.428 --> 0:03:38.348 So yeah, that's kind of the the standard buttons. 0:03:38.378 --> 0:03:40.568 Okay. Now how big would the icons be? Because I 0:03:40.568 --> 0:03:43.568 know sometimes when people say, oh it's big mate. People go, yeah, 0:03:43.568 --> 0:03:45.548 it's really not that big. The icons are not really 0:03:45.548 --> 0:03:48.128 that big. Are these sort of big, big icons. 0:03:48.158 --> 0:03:51.278 Yeah, yeah. So there's two settings so you can set 0:03:51.278 --> 0:03:53.198 it to be I'm actually just pulling a ruler out 0:03:53.198 --> 0:03:55.358 and measuring it for you because I know in pixels. 0:03:55.358 --> 0:03:58.298 But that's no good to you. No it's it's about 0:03:58.298 --> 0:04:00.758 four centimetres. You can set it to even larger so 0:04:00.758 --> 0:04:03.008 you can take it six six centimetres. 0:04:03.488 --> 0:04:05.168 Oh goodness. But you could you still fit all the 0:04:05.168 --> 0:04:06.428 icons on the screen. 0:04:06.938 --> 0:04:09.128 Yeah. So when it's at the smaller size, you get 0:04:09.158 --> 0:04:11.558 sort of 2 to 3 icons on the screen as 0:04:11.558 --> 0:04:13.838 you're scrolling down. And it's a little bit like a 0:04:13.838 --> 0:04:15.908 poker machine, the way you sort of navigate it. You 0:04:15.908 --> 0:04:18.968 sort of. It sort of scrolls around, if you like. Um, 0:04:19.058 --> 0:04:21.518 when you've got it set to that six centimetre size, 0:04:21.518 --> 0:04:23.768 then you get one big one and half, half of 0:04:23.768 --> 0:04:24.578 the next one. 0:04:24.698 --> 0:04:26.648 Okay. But you can easily scroll around. So when you 0:04:26.648 --> 0:04:29.978 say scrolling around and you're dragging your finger, are you 0:04:30.008 --> 0:04:31.838 doing other weird gestures or what. 0:04:31.838 --> 0:04:33.158 Are you doing? So you're starting with your finger at 0:04:33.158 --> 0:04:34.748 the bottom of the screen and you're swiping up and 0:04:34.748 --> 0:04:36.578 that kind of, you know, makes it roll around, if 0:04:36.608 --> 0:04:39.068 you know what I mean. Swiping like that. The buttons. 0:04:39.068 --> 0:04:40.718 There are also buttons at the top and at the 0:04:40.718 --> 0:04:44.138 bottom of the phone was initially designed for people who 0:04:44.138 --> 0:04:48.038 are older. So it has sort of, um, uh, ability 0:04:48.038 --> 0:04:50.288 to tap up and down. You don't have to scroll. 0:04:50.288 --> 0:04:53.468 You can type swiping is hard for some people. Mm mm. 0:04:53.618 --> 0:04:55.868 And I believe it also comes with stylus. 0:04:56.048 --> 0:04:58.538 It does. That makes it a lot easier I think 0:04:58.538 --> 0:05:00.248 as you get older your skin gets drier. And that 0:05:00.248 --> 0:05:03.248 touch sensitivity goes um, in many cases. So yes, you 0:05:03.248 --> 0:05:04.838 can use the stylus in that case. 0:05:04.868 --> 0:05:07.058 Okay. And what does the phone feel like in your hand. 0:05:07.088 --> 0:05:09.998 I mean, I know it's based on Nokia, but does 0:05:09.998 --> 0:05:12.578 it feel like a sort of a good solid phone 0:05:12.578 --> 0:05:14.478 when you're holding your hand, it's not too slippery or 0:05:14.478 --> 0:05:16.218 it's not too big to hold in your hand and 0:05:16.218 --> 0:05:16.668 that sort of stuff. 0:05:16.698 --> 0:05:19.968 Yeah, that's a good question. It's it comes with a 0:05:19.998 --> 0:05:22.548 bumper case. So it, it has like a, a clear 0:05:22.578 --> 0:05:25.848 jelly bumper case that comes, we put it on. Um, 0:05:25.848 --> 0:05:27.468 you can take that off and then it's got more 0:05:27.468 --> 0:05:29.598 of a grip. Um, so that kind of it's sort of, 0:05:29.628 --> 0:05:32.688 it's a matte kind of feeling to the, to the case. 0:05:32.688 --> 0:05:36.948 It's 190g, so that's not too heavy considering it's a 0:05:36.948 --> 0:05:38.778 bigger phone. It's not all that heavy. It's sort of 0:05:38.808 --> 0:05:40.758 on the heavier side, but it's certainly not as heavy 0:05:40.758 --> 0:05:42.288 as an iPhone plus. 0:05:42.288 --> 0:05:46.758 And for people that use, uh, Bluetooth, uh, hearing aids, 0:05:46.758 --> 0:05:48.858 will it connect with Bluetooth hearing aids? 0:05:48.888 --> 0:05:51.408 Yeah it will. The only thing is that if your 0:05:51.408 --> 0:05:53.748 hearing aid needs an app to set the settings up, 0:05:53.748 --> 0:05:56.658 then you then it doesn't have the app so you 0:05:56.658 --> 0:05:58.788 can connect it, but it's going to be literally just 0:05:58.788 --> 0:05:59.898 a Bluetooth connection. 0:05:59.928 --> 0:06:01.608 Let's say you wanted to add more icons. So you 0:06:01.608 --> 0:06:04.998 mentioned you could actually remove or add the different icons 0:06:04.998 --> 0:06:06.678 on the screen depending on how many you really want 0:06:06.708 --> 0:06:11.028 or use. Can a support person or a family member 0:06:11.058 --> 0:06:13.808 do that And is there any other ways of actually 0:06:13.808 --> 0:06:17.048 doing it remotely? So rather than the poor person going, 0:06:17.048 --> 0:06:18.338 what are you doing to my phone? Give it back 0:06:18.338 --> 0:06:20.888 to me. Um, you can also do it remotely. So 0:06:20.888 --> 0:06:22.538 I'm assuming there's a couple of ways you can set 0:06:22.538 --> 0:06:24.758 up the phone without disturbing the user too much. 0:06:24.788 --> 0:06:27.008 That's right. Yeah. So when you first get the phone, 0:06:27.008 --> 0:06:30.398 there's a, um, sort of a registration sequence. So you 0:06:30.398 --> 0:06:32.108 tell the phone, are you going to have a carer 0:06:32.108 --> 0:06:33.458 or are you going to do this yourself? So that's 0:06:33.458 --> 0:06:35.558 the first thing. If you set it up so that 0:06:35.558 --> 0:06:38.048 you have a carer, um, that carer gets sent a 0:06:38.048 --> 0:06:40.778 text message with a um, with a link and then 0:06:40.778 --> 0:06:43.238 they can sign in and they can access via a 0:06:43.238 --> 0:06:46.508 web browser the settings for the phone. So you might 0:06:46.508 --> 0:06:48.308 decide that you want to be the person that manages 0:06:48.308 --> 0:06:50.228 the phone for yourself, in which case we send you 0:06:50.228 --> 0:06:52.058 a text message and you can log on. You can 0:06:52.058 --> 0:06:53.798 log on via the phone, or you might choose what 0:06:53.798 --> 0:06:56.888 you want to log on via a, um, a web browser. 0:06:56.888 --> 0:07:00.638 So whichever you prefer. Um, it's great because it's, it's 0:07:00.638 --> 0:07:02.408 separate from the phone. So you don't have lots of 0:07:02.438 --> 0:07:04.748 we talk about the phone being no fandangle meaning there 0:07:04.778 --> 0:07:07.808 are not lots, not a lot of little settings that 0:07:07.808 --> 0:07:10.208 you can get lost in and rabbit holes to go down. 0:07:10.418 --> 0:07:13.138 Um and so you can go into a web browser 0:07:13.138 --> 0:07:15.688 and you can make those buttons larger, you can move 0:07:15.688 --> 0:07:17.908 them from the four centimeter to the six centimeter, as 0:07:17.908 --> 0:07:20.188 we discussed before, you can set it so that it 0:07:20.188 --> 0:07:23.458 answers to speakerphone. You can disable buttons, you can add 0:07:23.458 --> 0:07:26.158 more apps. Um, so yeah, there's a lot that you 0:07:26.158 --> 0:07:29.218 can do to sort of customize the phone. Um, there's 0:07:29.218 --> 0:07:31.588 also an SOS button on the phone, which is great 0:07:31.588 --> 0:07:33.898 for some people, but for others it's they just don't 0:07:33.898 --> 0:07:35.548 need it. So you can disable it. 0:07:35.548 --> 0:07:37.678 If you got the phone and you couldn't use the 0:07:37.678 --> 0:07:41.668 remote system, can you? Can a family or support person 0:07:41.698 --> 0:07:44.068 still get to the settings of the phone by some, 0:07:44.098 --> 0:07:45.988 you know, weird and wonderful gesture? 0:07:46.018 --> 0:07:49.288 Yeah, yeah, it's actually a button. It's a big button. Yeah, 0:07:49.288 --> 0:07:52.108 it's super easy. So if you decide that you want 0:07:52.138 --> 0:07:54.478 to just have the phone manage, you manage the phone 0:07:54.478 --> 0:07:57.058 on the phone itself and you give it to give 0:07:57.058 --> 0:07:59.278 it to someone to fix or set up for you, 0:07:59.278 --> 0:08:01.648 or you want to do it yourself. Then when you 0:08:01.678 --> 0:08:04.078 go through that registration at the beginning it says, do 0:08:04.078 --> 0:08:05.728 you have a carer or are you going to use 0:08:05.728 --> 0:08:08.008 this yourself? And you say, I'm going to use this myself. 0:08:08.188 --> 0:08:10.268 And then when you get to the home screen, there's 0:08:10.298 --> 0:08:13.598 a there's a purple manage button down the bottom of that, 0:08:13.718 --> 0:08:16.718 of that menu that I talked about before. And you 0:08:16.718 --> 0:08:18.368 tap on that and then that will take you through 0:08:18.368 --> 0:08:19.148 to the settings. 0:08:19.178 --> 0:08:21.668 Okay. And is that where you say to your grandmother 0:08:21.698 --> 0:08:23.918 or your granddad, for goodness sake, do not need to 0:08:23.948 --> 0:08:26.318 worry about that button on the screen? That's my button. 0:08:26.588 --> 0:08:29.228 So we can disable that button. So if you've got 0:08:29.228 --> 0:08:31.988 a carer, um, that button, you can, you can enable 0:08:31.988 --> 0:08:35.078 it or disable it. So you can basically make it super, super, 0:08:35.078 --> 0:08:37.328 super simple. We have some people that just have the 0:08:37.328 --> 0:08:40.028 phone and the message messages button, and that's all they 0:08:40.028 --> 0:08:40.448 have on it. 0:08:40.478 --> 0:08:42.248 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Because that's all you want. And it's, 0:08:42.278 --> 0:08:45.068 it's back to the, the weird, the weird days of, hey, 0:08:45.068 --> 0:08:46.568 people might just want to talk on the phone and 0:08:46.568 --> 0:08:50.318 text each other. Yeah, right. And, and exactly. So with 0:08:50.348 --> 0:08:54.518 talking about texting each other, um, do you put contacts 0:08:54.518 --> 0:08:56.408 in sort of just in text or is it sort 0:08:56.408 --> 0:08:59.078 of picture based? So you, you, you tap on uncle 0:08:59.108 --> 0:09:01.358 Tom and you can dial uncle Tom by just the picture. 0:09:01.388 --> 0:09:04.958 Yeah, it's the picture. So in, in every circumstance. So 0:09:04.958 --> 0:09:07.598 the usability is this you, you've got the home screen 0:09:07.598 --> 0:09:09.898 and you've got your phone button. And then you scroll 0:09:09.928 --> 0:09:11.998 down and there's your messages button. You tap on the 0:09:11.998 --> 0:09:13.888 messages button, and that takes you through to all the 0:09:13.888 --> 0:09:16.108 faces of the people who are contacts on the phone. 0:09:16.138 --> 0:09:18.628 You tap on the face of the phone, and then 0:09:18.628 --> 0:09:20.458 you have the choice to speak a message or type 0:09:20.488 --> 0:09:22.498 a message, and then you do either. 0:09:22.858 --> 0:09:25.258 All right. Now, if people are interested in getting more 0:09:25.258 --> 0:09:26.968 on the phone because I know we really haven't talked 0:09:26.968 --> 0:09:29.608 about the SOS button. I mean, you mentioned it briefly, 0:09:29.608 --> 0:09:31.438 the volume button, but the power button, but they're pretty 0:09:31.468 --> 0:09:34.108 standard buttons. So but if people wanted more information about, 0:09:34.138 --> 0:09:37.168 you know, hearing aids and other stuff that they can 0:09:37.168 --> 0:09:41.368 use if the phone itself, what's the best contact details 0:09:41.398 --> 0:09:42.718 that people can use? 0:09:42.748 --> 0:09:45.988 So the phones are available through Vision Australia stores, and 0:09:46.018 --> 0:09:48.868 we have staff from the Vision Australia stores. There's also 0:09:48.898 --> 0:09:51.838 FAQs on the Big Purple phone website, and you've got 0:09:51.838 --> 0:09:53.938 a phone number as well that we can support. The 0:09:53.938 --> 0:09:56.008 phone actually has a help button which goes through to 0:09:56.038 --> 0:09:59.068 our call centre as well, so we can help that way. Okay. 0:09:59.098 --> 0:10:01.648 And is that a video call one or is it a. 0:10:01.798 --> 0:10:03.988 It's a phone call. We can actually initiate a call 0:10:04.018 --> 0:10:05.728 a video call. But nobody wants to do that. 0:10:05.848 --> 0:10:07.548 If Well, I don't. 0:10:07.578 --> 0:10:09.558 Know. No, no, we just want to talk on the phone. No. 0:10:10.578 --> 0:10:12.318 All right. Excellent. All right, well, look, thank you for 0:10:12.318 --> 0:10:15.678 coming on, um, talking tech. And it'll be interesting to 0:10:15.678 --> 0:10:18.708 see how the phones taken up by the low vision community. 0:10:18.738 --> 0:10:21.228 Yeah. Thank you. It's my pleasure, David. And thank you for, um, 0:10:21.228 --> 0:10:22.308 for your time today. 0:10:22.338 --> 0:10:23.358 That's okay. My pleasure. 0:10:23.388 --> 0:10:30.048 David Woodbridge speaking there with Libby Henderson from big purple phones. David, 0:10:30.078 --> 0:10:34.848 speaking of smart phones, you've got some news about the 0:10:34.848 --> 0:10:38.478 Smart Vision three from Capsis. I do. 0:10:38.478 --> 0:10:41.508 And unfortunately, it's a bit of bad news. So as 0:10:41.508 --> 0:10:46.428 we all know, technology changes extremely rapidly. And I just 0:10:46.428 --> 0:10:49.218 got an email yesterday. So be Monday as we go 0:10:49.218 --> 0:10:54.618 to air on today Tuesday. And Vision Australia has confirmed 0:10:54.618 --> 0:10:57.768 with Telstra when they switch off the 3G network at 0:10:57.768 --> 0:11:00.618 the end of August. And the same with Optus, but 0:11:00.618 --> 0:11:03.708 we have not got confirmation from Optus officially and that 0:11:03.708 --> 0:11:07.778 is the fact that the smart vision three from Kapsis 0:11:07.808 --> 0:11:12.308 will not be compatible with the 4G network. The phone 0:11:12.308 --> 0:11:14.918 itself physically does not support the frequency, and if you 0:11:14.918 --> 0:11:17.768 want to know what it is, it's 700MHz, but it 0:11:17.768 --> 0:11:20.618 simply won't work. It won't work for 000 calls. It 0:11:20.618 --> 0:11:24.248 won't work for roaming and everything else. Now, Telstra said 0:11:24.278 --> 0:11:26.378 people should have already got a message about the 3G 0:11:26.408 --> 0:11:30.338 network closing down. So if you do use those phones 0:11:30.338 --> 0:11:32.888 and you're looking for another phone, then I would suggest 0:11:32.918 --> 0:11:36.428 you contact Telstra, Optus or indeed if you want an 0:11:36.428 --> 0:11:40.778 accessible phone, contact Vision Australia Vision Store and we can 0:11:40.778 --> 0:11:42.428 certainly have a talk to you. But at the end 0:11:42.428 --> 0:11:47.078 of August, the Smart Vision three will not work. 0:11:47.318 --> 0:11:50.258 Um, all other smart phones seem to be going okay though, 0:11:50.288 --> 0:11:52.748 and we've talked about this in recent times. 0:11:52.778 --> 0:11:54.848 Things like the blown Shield classic two, and there's a 0:11:54.848 --> 0:11:57.128 few other bits and bobs going on. But yes, yes, 0:11:57.128 --> 0:12:01.238 it's unfortunately it's the way that technology sometimes improves and 0:12:01.238 --> 0:12:02.858 it leaves the old tech behind. 0:12:03.008 --> 0:12:05.968 We're about two thirds of the way through the beta 0:12:05.968 --> 0:12:11.338 cycle for the new iOS iOS 18. How's it going? 0:12:11.338 --> 0:12:12.808 Because I know you'd be close to it. 0:12:12.838 --> 0:12:15.508 Yeah, it's a bit rough. So the last beta that 0:12:15.508 --> 0:12:20.728 I had, which was last week, iOS 18, unless I 0:12:20.728 --> 0:12:25.078 was running some type of media. So things like radio, music, 0:12:25.078 --> 0:12:29.488 audiobook and so on, voiceover would not work at all. 0:12:29.488 --> 0:12:31.468 So I had to sort of put up with the 0:12:31.468 --> 0:12:34.648 media in the background and listen to voiceover. So that's 0:12:34.648 --> 0:12:38.038 now been fixed in the current beta cycle. However, with 0:12:38.038 --> 0:12:41.638 the current beta cycle, AirPods and AirPods Pro and AirPods 0:12:41.638 --> 0:12:44.848 Max work perfectly well. However, if I then try and 0:12:44.848 --> 0:12:47.818 use my general Bluetooth headsets, the driver doesn't seem to 0:12:47.848 --> 0:12:50.788 kick in very well with the Bluetooth driver, so it 0:12:50.788 --> 0:12:54.658 can take sometimes up to about 30s for the Bluetooth 0:12:54.658 --> 0:12:57.448 to kick in. So I'm sort of a bit worried 0:12:57.448 --> 0:13:00.388 because this is getting really, really close to the launch 0:13:00.388 --> 0:13:04.658 date of the iPhone 16 itself, Self. So I have 0:13:04.658 --> 0:13:06.128 a funny feeling there's probably going to be a few 0:13:06.128 --> 0:13:10.328 little rust updates either now or after the actual official 0:13:10.328 --> 0:13:13.238 launch of the iPhone 16, with iOS 18. 0:13:13.328 --> 0:13:16.118 Features that you're starting to play with. We should be 0:13:16.118 --> 0:13:17.108 looking forward to. 0:13:17.138 --> 0:13:19.928 Look, the main one that I'm really, really looking forward 0:13:19.928 --> 0:13:23.498 to is the new Braille screen input, and I think 0:13:23.498 --> 0:13:25.478 we mentioned it quite a while ago when we talked 0:13:25.478 --> 0:13:30.548 about WWDC Worldwide Developers conference. And that's where you can actually, 0:13:30.548 --> 0:13:35.078 rather than just brailling on the touch screen, it turns 0:13:35.078 --> 0:13:39.938 your touch screen into a full Braille input keyboard. So 0:13:39.938 --> 0:13:42.428 all the commands you can imagine you can do on 0:13:42.428 --> 0:13:46.688 your brilliant and other devices that have got an input 0:13:46.688 --> 0:13:50.168 Braille keyboard, then you can do them on the iPhone. 0:13:50.168 --> 0:13:54.638 And that's the most outstanding feature for me is just 0:13:54.638 --> 0:13:58.148 having that increased functionality. And there's a few other things 0:13:58.148 --> 0:14:01.898 going on. But as we also know about iOS 18, mean, 0:14:01.928 --> 0:14:05.168 we're really not going to get all the Apple Intelligence 0:14:05.168 --> 0:14:10.298 features until iOS 18.1. And that sort of talked about 0:14:10.298 --> 0:14:11.648 maybe early next year. 0:14:11.648 --> 0:14:15.488 More in the coming weeks. Before we go, a reminder 0:14:15.488 --> 0:14:17.408 of where there are details of what we've been talking 0:14:17.408 --> 0:14:19.838 about in this and previous editions of the program. 0:14:19.838 --> 0:14:21.428 Indeed. So as the way you can check out my 0:14:21.428 --> 0:14:26.198 blog site, which is David, would it be dot Podbean Podbean. 0:14:26.228 --> 0:14:31.778 Com David would be our dot podbean podbean.com to write 0:14:31.778 --> 0:14:32.498 to the program. 0:14:32.528 --> 0:14:34.598 You can write to me at Vision Australia which is 0:14:34.598 --> 0:14:39.188 David Dot Woodbridge, Heartsounds at Vision australia.org. 0:14:39.218 --> 0:14:44.318 David Dot Woodbridge at Vision australia.org. This has been talking 0:14:44.348 --> 0:14:47.828 tech with me has been Vision Australia's national advisor on 0:14:47.828 --> 0:14:52.538 access technology David Woodbridge. Our guest was Libby Henderson from 0:14:52.538 --> 0:14:56.228 big purple phones I'm Stephen Jolly. Stay safe. We'll talk 0:14:56.228 --> 0:14:57.548 more tech next week. See you.