S1: From Vision Australia. This is talking vision. And now here's
S1: your host, Sam Colley.
S2: Hello everyone. It's great to be here with you. And
S2: for the next half hour, we talk matters of blindness
S2: and low vision. Welcome to the program. We've got a
S2: little bit of a different show in store for you
S2: this week as we present a few interviews from the
S2: carnival day, broadcast live from the opening day of Midsummer
S2: Festival at the Alexandra Gardens in Melbourne. Midsummer is the
S2: preeminent festival in Victoria for the Lgbtqia+ community, and today
S2: we've got three interviews from the guests on the program
S2: over the three hours. Starting off with Blind Ambassador Karen
S2: Negroni followed up with Nilsson Govan from Vita Veritas, who's
S2: here to tell us all about some audio. Describe tell
S2: us of the festival. And last but certainly not least,
S2: we're joined by Lina mona from women with disabilities Victoria,
S2: who are committed to creating a safer and more inclusive
S2: state for women with disabilities. I hope you'll enjoy this
S2: special Midsummer Festival edition of Talking Vision. And now his
S2: man test with Karen test kicked off the interview with
S2: Karen by asking him about his low vision journey.
S3: Absolutely. So I live with Usher syndrome. That's a combination
S3: of retinitis pigmentosa that causes blindness and partial hearing loss
S3: as well. So you're probably going to see me walking
S3: around with my cane and my hearing aids in. It's
S3: a degenerative condition. So I was diagnosed when I was
S3: about 13. And now at 37, I have less than 3%
S3: of sight remaining. And in a few years that'll be
S3: gone too. But you live with what you have, and I,
S3: you know, I can't can't even think of being happier
S3: other than having a disability.
S4: It's an interesting, you know, it's because I was born
S4: blind and so I never had any sight. And so
S4: I never really knew, you know, what it was like
S4: to have sights that must have been quite an adjustment
S4: for you.
S3: You know, that's a really interesting question. Someone actually asked
S3: me once, would you rather be born blind or born
S3: sighted and lose your sight? And I didn't know how
S3: to answer that question to be honest with you, because
S3: I was confused. So I looked it up and then
S3: I started watching stuff on YouTube, and there was this, uh,
S3: talk show where they had a fully blind person that
S3: was born blind, and someone who has retinitis pigmentosa that
S3: has lost their sight over time. And the person that
S3: was born blind said, I would rather be born blind,
S3: because if I lost my sight over time, I'd be
S3: really pissed off. And then the person who was born
S3: fully sighted and started to lose their sight said they
S3: would rather be born sighted and lose their sight slowly
S3: over time because at least they got to see something.
S3: So I would yeah, like to throw that back onto you.
S3: What do you think about that?
S4: Well, I think I agree with the with the born blind.
S4: In some ways it would have been lovely to see
S4: some of the wonderful things in, you know, being able
S4: to see things like sunsets and colors and, you know,
S4: rather than just imagine them. But also it would have
S4: made my life so much difficult, so much more difficult
S4: if I had lost my sight later. So, yeah, I
S4: think I think it sounds like we're, you know, we're
S4: happy with we're happy with how life turned out. Yeah.
S4: Which is a good thing. Yes.
S3: It's a great thing.
S5: Absolutely.
S2: It's tricky for me because I'm right in the middle.
S2: I've always, um, had, um, that problem where I've just.
S2: I have had vision conditions my whole life but been,
S2: you know, regarded as quote unquote, not blind enough, but, um,
S2: I think being able to see artworks and scenery and
S2: landscapes and things, at least having those memories that have
S2: stuck with you for the rest of your life, just
S2: in some ways that can cheer you up. In some ways,
S2: you just think back to a good time when you
S2: had that sort of experience. But, um, it is definitely
S2: a very tricky question because, um, as I said, with
S2: some with low vision, at some it's right in the middle. But, um,
S2: Karen will come back to you. You've mentioned previously the
S2: need to come out twice. So could you explain what
S2: that's about?
S3: Absolutely. So, well, first things first, I meant mid-summer. So
S3: the obvious first one is being gay. Uh, I think
S3: growing up, um, back then, there was a certain perception
S3: that if you're gay, you're supposed to be flamboyant or,
S3: you know, you've got to be loud and out there.
S3: And for me, I didn't fit that mold to me.
S3: I just looked at myself as a normal guy who
S3: happens to be gay. So when I met people, you know,
S3: it was like, oh, well, you don't look gay or
S3: you don't act gay. And I was like, what does
S3: that even mean? And then the second closet being, because
S3: my eyes look normal, and then people see me with
S3: a cane and when my cane is away, when I
S3: used to manage without my cane and I would tell
S3: them that I'm blind, they wouldn't believe me. So I
S3: would have to sort of convince them and explain the
S3: whole blindness is a spectrum thing to them, and it
S3: almost felt like coming out of a closet, because I
S3: hid my blindness for a really long time, because I
S3: felt a sense of shame. I'm not going to like
S3: growing up, you know, as a gay guy in a
S3: world where there's so much emphasis on the way you
S3: look now, you add to that having a disability that
S3: requires me having to use a cane. So I felt
S3: a sense of shame back then. Obviously, I don't feel
S3: like that anymore. But yeah, I did feel like I
S3: had to come out of the blind closet because I
S3: would have to hide it, uh, because I didn't want
S3: to be judged. And then I would tell people and
S3: then explain the whole thing.
S2: Would you say there needs to be a bit more
S2: awareness of blindness and low vision still?
S3: Absolutely. This is why I'm on a mission to raise awareness.
S3: And I started my work as an advocate about two
S3: years ago, and that started from me having to give
S3: up my marketing career, a career that depended extremely on
S3: my side because I was a graphic designer, a filmmaker,
S3: and when I reached the stage where I could not
S3: use a laptop. Now, don't get me wrong, blind people
S3: can use laptops, but blind people cannot use a graphic
S3: design software like Photoshop or film editing software. That's quite complex.
S3: So I had to quote unquote, retire from that career.
S3: And then I felt like I sort of hit rock bottom.
S3: That was not a really good time for me mental
S3: health wise, because I really felt lost. And that was,
S3: I guess, my calling when it came to being an advocate.
S3: And I was so sick and tired of people telling
S3: me that I don't look blind, and that came with judgment.
S3: It wasn't, you know, uh, some people said, you don't
S3: look blind, as if it's a compliment. I'm like, what
S3: does that even mean? And I said, would you tell
S3: someone from China, you don't look Chinese? Would you tell
S3: someone from America, you don't look American like, you know,
S3: what does that even mean? And that's what led me to.
S3: Raise awareness. And I guess that's why I'm sitting here today.
S3: So I'm glad it worked out in that sense, you know.
S4: Well, you know, um, one of the, the main themes
S4: for this live broadcast is really talking about the intersectionality
S4: between the queer community and the community of people with disabilities. So,
S4: I mean, as, as a gay man with a disability,
S4: I mean, what are some of the the challenges that
S4: you've been faced with?
S3: I could write a book. I mean, I don't even
S3: know where to begin. There's, you know, there is so
S3: much judgment out there. It's it's so like it's not
S3: for the faint hearted. I've said this before, you know, uh,
S3: a lot of people think people with disabilities are weak.
S3: And I'm like, dude, like, you have no idea how
S3: hard it is. Like, if you have a disability and
S3: you're out there living life, you're strong. Like, don't ever
S3: underestimate a person with a disability.
S2: And do you think every person living with blindness or
S2: low vision should be an advocate for their community, or
S2: what's your sort of perspective on that?
S3: So look, I will say this, I'm really passionate about it,
S3: but it's it takes a toll on your mental health.
S3: You know, it does.
S2: Yeah.
S3: When you're constantly talking about it, there are days where
S3: I get tired and, you know, because I don't have
S3: a big following at all like that on social media,
S3: but like I do have a bit of a following.
S3: And like, if I don't post, you know, for a
S3: couple of days, I'll get messages that you okay, you
S3: haven't posted. I look forward to your messages. And there
S3: are times where I hit, uh, I guess, um, fatigue
S3: as an advocate. And I don't think it's for everyone.
S3: You don't have to be an advocate if you want
S3: to be an advocate, be an advocate. But my only
S3: my only suggestion is be proud, you know, don't don't
S3: live in shame. Uh, you are who you are for
S3: a reason. And this is your destiny. And, you know,
S3: that sounds really philosophical, but you don't have to be
S3: an advocate, but don't live in shame. And it's also
S3: not easy to not live in shame, because I lived
S3: in shame for a long time.
S4: And you know that that message, you know, don't live in.
S4: I mean, that's just that's applicable to to everything that
S4: we are celebrating and promoting and raising awareness of today.
S4: So I mean, that's just a fantastic quote. So you
S4: moved to Melbourne last year. Is that right?
S6: Correct. Uh, February last year.
S3: So I've been here for about almost a year now.
S4: So have you felt welcomed by the Melbourne queer community
S4: or maybe a bit on the outer? What's what's been
S4: your experience with that?
S3: Absolutely. So look, back in Perth, I was really bad gay.
S3: I didn't do a lot of gay things. I didn't
S3: go to gay festivals. Didn't do, didn't do.
S5: Okay, I don't know. You know, there's.
S3: Such a thing. Trust me, I was not I was not,
S3: you know, one of those people that was out there
S3: at pride events and. No, not at all. Um, and
S3: I think partly to do with my side. And then
S3: I was approached by, um, a lovely person called Emma
S3: from Chillout Festival in Daylesford, and she invited me to
S3: attend as ambassador when I was in Albany in WA.
S3: And that sort of opened my eyes. And that's when
S3: I was first introduced to the queer community in Melbourne,
S3: and so welcoming and so lovely. And, you know, I
S3: just sort of started thinking I had this fear in
S3: my head that I'll be judged, you know, for being
S3: a person with a disability. And now look at me.
S3: I'm sitting at midsummer with you awesome people talking about
S3: life as a gay blind person, you know? So I'm
S3: so thrilled, uh, and I'm a little mad at myself
S3: for not doing this sooner, but I think everything happens
S3: for a reason at the right time.
S2: Certainly it does. And it's a it's a new year.
S2: I don't know if some new year, new year kind
S2: of New Year's resolution time, but, um, are you energized
S2: or exhausted at the thought of fighting the fight?
S3: What are you talking about? I'm always exhausted. Even sometimes
S3: I'm so exhausted from being exhausted. You know, like, it's
S3: just one of those things where I just want a
S3: day off. Absolutely. And then after the day off, you
S3: want a day off because you had a day off.
S5: Day off from.
S4: The day off.
S3: Yeah, yeah. Look, when you live with a condition where
S3: you can't see and you can't hear properly, it's quite taxing. Uh,
S3: it gets quite tiring. Um, and, you know, as an advocate,
S3: I feel like I have to be strong for other
S3: people all the time. Uh, so does, you know, there
S3: are definitely times where I feel so tired that I
S3: just need to hide in my house with the doors closed.
S6: Yes.
S4: Yeah. Of course, I sometimes feel exactly the same way,
S4: if I'm honest.
S6: So.
S4: Yeah, I'm sure that's wonderfully validating for a lot of
S4: our listeners.
S6: Absolutely.
S3: It's okay to be antisocial. It's okay to not want
S3: to see anyone.
S4: Yes. And can you tell us why you decided to
S4: become an ambassador at this year's mid-summer?
S3: Well, I, you know, well, firstly, they asked me and
S3: I'm thrilled. And I guess the reason I'm thrilled is
S3: because a young Karen would have never believed that a
S3: disabled Karen would be an advocate at such a big
S3: gay festival, you know? So when the opportunity came along,
S3: it was just like it wasn't even a, um, I
S3: was like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, because I want
S3: to be that person that I didn't have when I
S3: was a kid.
S2: Of course. Absolutely.
S4: Well, I'm sure young, I'm sure young Karen would be
S4: extremely proud. Um. Of what? Of what older Karen has achieved.
S3: Yes. Minus the weight gain. But, yeah.
S4: We've all done that.
S5: Oh. So. Yeah.
S2: Uh, especially after, um, the festive season. All the wonderful
S2: meals and bits and pieces and, you know, letting your
S2: hair down and having having a bit of fun.
S4: And that's what Carnival is about, really. It is it
S4: is celebrating the diversity in in our community is what
S4: Virgin Australia is also about. And, you know, people of
S4: all shapes and sizes, genders, sexualities, you know, abilities, you
S4: know that that's what today is all about. And that's
S4: why we're so happy to be celebrating the just how
S4: glorious that is 100%.
S2: And you've talked about young Karen, which is, ironically, the
S2: old Karen, but we'll work that out later. But how
S2: can we follow 2024? Karen, you know, how can we
S2: support him?
S3: Well, when I find that, I'll let you know, uh,
S3: because I can barely keep up with what's going on.
S3: But what? I guess I'm on a mission now to
S3: do things that I didn't think I would do. Perfect example,
S3: being sitting here today at a midsummer festival as a
S3: proud gay man with a disability. So my my plan
S3: is to keep going. I am blessed to have, uh,
S3: two jobs, one being at Guide Dogs Australia, which is
S3: where I get to share my lived experience to raise awareness,
S3: and then my own job, which is life as an advocate,
S3: which is where I get to create content with my
S3: own twist, because I'm not one of those serious advocates,
S3: and I often get in trouble on Instagram because my
S3: sense of humor is a little strange. I guess. You know,
S3: I would post things and then people either love it
S3: or they're like, dude, what are you what are you doing?
S3: That makes no sense, you know? So I guess 2024 Karen,
S3: you can follow me on Instagram if you like. It's
S3: just my first name, last name with an N in
S3: the middle. So it's Karen and Granny, and, uh, what
S3: I do is I share my life as someone with
S3: retinitis pigmentosa usher syndrome. I use my graphic design skills
S3: to simulate what it is that someone like me does see,
S3: and I found that that's really helping people that have
S3: family members that have retinitis pigmentosa, because now they can
S3: actually see what they love once. See if that makes sense.
S2: It does. No. It's been an absolute pleasure to chat
S2: with you today, Karen. I've been speaking today with Karen Nagorny,
S2: a blind ambassador from the Midsummer Festival, who joined us
S2: today to chat all about his wonderful advocacy work. Karen,
S2: it's been a pleasure to chat with you. Um, yeah.
S2: Thank you so much for your time.
S5: I don't want to.
S3: Leave, though.
S5: I'm having so much fun. I know I miss you. Oh,
S5: we could talk forever.
S2: But unfortunately, we've got to go. I'm Sam Cole, and
S2: you're listening to this special Midsummer Festival edition of Talking
S2: Vision on Vision Australia Radio, associated stations of RPM and
S2: the Community Radio Network. I hope you enjoyed that interview
S2: there with Karen Negroni. If you missed any part of
S2: that interview with Karen or you'd love to listen to
S2: it again. Talking vision is, of course, available on the
S2: Vision Australia Radio website at RVA radio.org. That's RVA radio.org.
S2: You can also find the program on the podcast app
S2: of your choice or through the Vision Australia library. And
S2: now his man Tess with Neil Gunn. Tess began the
S2: interview with Nil Gun by asking her about when the
S2: organization was founded and what prompted them to get it
S2: off the ground.
S7: It was formed in 2020, but it is off the
S7: back of a 25 year career in disability arts and
S7: working as an inclusive arts practitioner, collaborating with lots of
S7: diverse artists and makers, including people and performers and artists
S7: who are blind and have low vision. And come 2020. Yes,
S7: during the pandemic. What a time to form a company.
S7: It's a not for profit bringing along the amazing staff
S7: that had been working with over time and improving inclusion
S7: of accessible events in festivals across performing and visual arts. So.
S7: Oh wow. So once we were trained by the then
S7: access Coordinator, Janine Sidhu and Katrina Gab, we were absolutely
S7: passionate about bringing accessible arts to the independent, small, medium
S7: and big arts sector.
S2: And now tell us a little bit more about the
S2: carnival day guided tours.
S7: The carnival day guided tours, uh, tailored. So there's no
S7: formal tour as such, but that the tours can happen
S7: at any time upon request, by prior arrangement, by ringing
S7: the access hotline, and also finding us at the information tent.
S7: We want to tailor it to the. Because there's so
S7: much to experience at this carnival that it can be
S7: tailored to people's interests.
S2: That's fantastic news, because there's so many different things for
S2: people to discover. So really exciting to hear that, um,
S2: people can have their own unique experience.
S4: It certainly is very, very tailored to, you know, the individual.
S4: It's fantastic. And I mean, is this the first time that,
S4: you know, these tours have been made available at midsummer.
S7: In the carnival context? Um, no, it's been we've been
S7: available and on site every year for the past, I
S7: think three years. And prior to that there was a
S7: design tool by description Victoria back then that also attracted
S7: a large volume of people in a group based experience. Um,
S7: we we are still sort of raising community awareness, as
S7: you know, about the accessibility and inclusion at festivals like this.
S7: And so I think, um, after this year, conversation could
S7: be had around, you know, really designing a more formalized
S7: tours whilst keeping the individual sort of tailored tours going
S7: as well.
S5: Okay.
S2: And, um, no. Go on. How do you think Midsummer's
S2: going in their efforts to be more accessible?
S7: I feel that midsummer have a lot of integrity in
S7: their intentions and their commitments, and they demonstrate that in
S7: really tangible ways. And the ways that they express that
S7: is by involving the community, the blind and low vision
S7: community from weather advisory groups or consultants, um, engaging different artists, um,
S7: and increasing programming of accessible events and that consultation and
S7: being led by the community as well, in terms of
S7: their interests into what would be really suitable, um, to
S7: offer the community in terms of their, you know, training.
S7: And it's an organisational approach and there is a really
S7: big saturation. It's not one area of the organisation that
S7: is sort of upskilling and improving their capacity, their capabilities
S7: and their confidence. But all tiers, from top to bottom, um,
S7: right down to our volunteers. And, you know, there's resources
S7: and that attitude, which is the most important one, which is,
S7: you know, continuous improvement like that feedback loop is so
S7: important in terms of how access evolves in the arts
S7: broadly as well as across Midsummer Festival.
S4: So there's an exciting event happening on the 1st of
S4: February at the Art centre at the Overflow Theatre. Tell
S4: us about that.
S7: So the production is called overflow, which is taking place
S7: at the Arts Centre Melbourne, um, specifically at the Fairfax
S7: Theatre on the 1st of February. And overflow premiered in
S7: London in 2020, and it's followed by an Australian season
S7: in 2022. And it's coming back again this year. Critically acclaimed,
S7: it gives voice to trans identities and. Written by Travis
S7: Benza and directed by Dino Demetriades. And in terms of
S7: Travis's quote, they say club toilets have taught me more
S7: about sisterhood than any book. Oh well. And so the
S7: stage is set as a toilet, as a cubicle where
S7: Rosie is inside, and there's all these different encounters and
S7: monologues and stories that are told in that space.
S5: Oh my God.
S2: Yeah, that sounds incredible. Unmissable. And just finally nail gun.
S2: There's a couple more exciting events going on the Victoria's
S2: Pride Travelling Touch Tour, and also the Nocturnal Hot and
S2: Bothered Tactile Tour. So just to wrap up, tell us
S2: a bit about them.
S7: Well, I want to talk about Victoria's Pride Travelling Touch
S7: Tour because it follows on from the success of the
S7: inaugural one that we ran last year. It was booked
S7: out like overnight like hotcakes. And so we're running it
S7: again this time, you know, again with that community feedback,
S7: a little bit longer with more interaction with different artists.
S7: But it's essentially curated to encompass art, music, roving performances,
S7: tactile and participatory activities, going into different bars and businesses
S7: and really getting to be immersed in that community, that
S7: street party, the atmosphere in a really guided and supportive
S7: and fun and dynamic way. So that takes place on Sunday,
S7: the 11th of February, 1:00 to 5:00, and you can
S7: get more information and download the flyer from the midsummer
S7: Victoria's Pride website. And we are asking people to book
S7: in because we know it can get booked out. And
S7: by contacting me for your booking, you can also request
S7: a guide as well.
S2: Certainly get in touch with Nail gun. Get in touch
S2: with Veritas. There's an absolute plethora of amazing tours to
S2: get involved with, so thank you very much, Neil Gunn,
S2: for creating better accessibility of the Carnival space. It's just
S2: been an absolute pleasure to catch up with you today
S2: to hear all about it.
S7: Thank you so much.
S2: And now here's my end of it with Lena. I
S2: began by asking Lena to give us a brief history
S2: of women with disabilities. Victoria.
S4: Our organization started in.
S8: 1995, where a small group of women in the state
S8: came together, realizing that a lot of their needs weren't
S8: being advocated for, and they decided to do something and
S8: got incorporated. And we've been powering through ever since. We've
S8: got a staff base of about 50 members of staff
S8: now who work all across the state in community inclusion teams,
S8: workforce development teams that we work to make other workforces
S8: more accessible and inclusive for women with disabilities, as well
S8: as running leadership programs across the state, both in town
S8: and in regions far and wide across Victoria.
S9: Great. And can you tell us about some of your
S9: organization's recent wins?
S8: For sure. One that comes to mind, especially relevant to
S8: midsummer is a event that our youth experts ran. So
S8: that's a group of young women and non-binary people with
S8: disabilities who are aged between 18 and 25. They put
S8: on an event at the Pride Center last year called
S8: Prior to Conversations, and that celebrated the intersectionality of being
S8: queer and having disability. And it was a beautiful event
S8: and everybody just really enjoyed the day. And we've got
S8: a recording of it that people can look at online
S8: or listen to, and we've got promotional materials that were
S8: created for the event at our store here at the carnival.
S2: Okay. Now, Lena, we're gonna talk about yourself for a
S2: little bit. So just if you'll indulge us, what is
S2: your specific role at women with Disabilities Victoria for people
S2: out there?
S8: Yeah, thanks. So I manage Gender-Based Violence Research and Evaluation
S8: at Women with Disabilities Victoria. So I cover three different
S8: programs that are about prevention of gender based violence, as
S8: well as creating research links around those topics for the organization.
S8: So our programs provide training for workers who work across
S8: the state that are looking to prevent gender based violence
S8: in a systematic way, as well as creating more accessible,
S8: inclusive workforces. So making it possible so that women with
S8: disabilities can take part in those organizations as well. And
S8: to do that, we create resources, factsheets about preventing violence,
S8: about the specific forms of Gender-Based violence that women with
S8: disabilities experience, and what we can do to challenge ableism
S8: and sexism together.
S9: Awesome. And what does it mean to women living with
S9: disability to have a resource like that you've got?
S8: Well, as a woman with disabilities myself, I know it's empowering. Like,
S8: we can see our voices included in the resources that
S8: we make, and they are more accessible. They found in
S8: a wide variety of formats, and it means that it
S8: was seeing these resources around and seeing more people take
S8: them on and take on our training means that the
S8: world can be a little bit safer and more inclusive,
S8: and that we will be listened to and believed when
S8: we report violence or challenge what we experience when people
S8: are being ableist or are perpetrating violence against us.
S2: And Lena, what is your main motivation for being at
S2: Carnival today? You've spoken a bit about it there, but
S2: what sort of drives you to, you know, get involved
S2: with these sort of things?
S8: I guess my main motivation would be that we're here
S8: in the community. Women with disabilities are part of every
S8: community of Victoria, and we want to celebrate who we
S8: are loud, proud, queer, wild and we want to access
S8: all parts of queer spaces. I went to an event
S8: last year hosted by inclusive. Rainbow voices is a new
S8: organization specifically for queer people with disabilities and I. It
S8: really resonated to me how there's so many organizations or
S8: disability spaces that aren't super accessible for people who are
S8: also queer, and there's so many spaces in the queer
S8: community that aren't accessible for people with disabilities. And so
S8: just by taking up space and showing that we exist,
S8: and that we are creating resources that fit into that intersection,
S8: and that we are challenging the ableism that we experience together,
S8: and also learning more about who is in every community.
S8: That's really important to us. Yeah, yeah.
S9: And do you feel that queer community living with disability
S9: get the support they need from the wider community? I mean,
S9: you've touched on it there that you're providing resources for
S9: the community to be able to support. Do you feel
S9: there's still a lot of work to do in that space?
S8: That's absolutely more that our organization can do, that other
S8: organizations can do. And to me, the first thing that
S8: we can do for our community is by showing up,
S8: listening and taking on feedback about what can we do better. Yeah.
S8: So absolutely, there's more. And we're listening.
S9: Yeah. Awesome.
S2: And Lena, just finally, um, some exciting things to look
S2: forward to in 2024, I'm sure from a women with
S2: disabilities Victoria standpoint. So what is coming up in 2024
S2: for people to look forward to.
S8: Are so many things, um, some that would probably be
S8: of more interest to me than others. But the first
S8: couple of things that I can think of, we have
S8: the having. Conference. Members of the Community Inclusion team are
S8: taking part in that. I don't have the date off
S8: the top of my head, so I'm sorry. You'll have
S8: you'll have to Google it on your website. Um, and
S8: there's also a really wonderful, uh, International Women's Day event
S8: on March 6th, and our guest speaker is about to
S8: be announced, I believe. So grab your pen and paper
S8: and write that one down in your calendar. It's not
S8: to be missed.
S2: Lena, thank you so much. I've been speaking today with
S2: Lena molnar, the Prevention of Gender based Violence project coordinator
S2: at women with disabilities, Victoria. Lena, thank you so much
S2: for your time today. It was a pleasure to catch
S2: up with you and hear all about your work.
S8: Absolutely. My pleasure. Thanks for having us.
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