Speaker 1: Welcome back to The Lady Vanishers the catch up series
Speaker 1: Episode three. I'm Alison Sandy.
Speaker 2: And I'm Brian Seymour. This time we revisit episodes five
Speaker 2: to nine of The Lady Vanishers.
Speaker 1: By this stage of our podcast, we were starting to
Speaker 1: receive a number of leads and messages from our listeners
Speaker 1: and former acquaintances and colleagues of Marion. Sally was also
Speaker 1: outlining how many different authorities she'd approached, from the New
Speaker 1: South Wales Police to the Salvation Army Missing Persons Unit,
Speaker 1: to Federal Police and in twenty sixteen, the Queensland Police.
Speaker 1: She even approached the New South Wales Premier to have
Speaker 1: carriage of the case transferred to Queensland.
Speaker 2: But she still felt that every door she knocked on
Speaker 2: was being closed firmly in her face. Having already determined
Speaker 2: that Marian was not on the electoral roll, was not
Speaker 2: receiving the pension not claiming from Centerlink, and had not
Speaker 2: used her Medicare cards since September nineteen ninety seven, Sally
Speaker 2: made inquiries into her mother's unaccessed superannuation and checked with
Speaker 2: the Australian Tax Office to determine whether there had been
Speaker 2: any activity in her mother's name. He's an excerpt from
Speaker 2: episode five.
Speaker 1: Sally is convinced money plays a big role in this case.
Speaker 1: This is her reasoning. Why would someone go to the
Speaker 1: effort of withdrawing the limit of five thousand dollars in
Speaker 1: cash every single day for three and a half weeks
Speaker 1: in August and September nineteen ninety seven from Byron Bay
Speaker 1: and Burly Heads, where Marion was highly likely to have
Speaker 1: been recognized. If it was Marian making the withdrawals, couldn't
Speaker 1: she simply prove her identity to the bank and transfer
Speaker 1: the money to another account, or again, with proof of identity,
Speaker 1: have the withdrawal limit raised so she could take a
Speaker 1: lump sum in one transaction. And why would someone purporting
Speaker 1: to be Marion be angry with Sally that the seven
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars she'd made selling Marion's car wasn't immediately
Speaker 1: transferred to her account. It wasn't as though Marian was
Speaker 1: desperately in need of the cash, she just sold her home.
Speaker 1: Her bank accounts were very healthy. Sally's theory is that
Speaker 1: whoever drained Marion's bank accounts or convinced Marian too did
Speaker 1: not know that Marian had a significant amount of superannuation
Speaker 1: owing to her, and they did not know about the
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars Marion transferred to a Barclay's bank account
Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom just before she went overseas that's
Speaker 1: still sitting there. Back into that and seventeen, it amounted
Speaker 1: to just under fifteen thousand dollars. It is not known
Speaker 1: how much Marion used during her trip or how much
Speaker 1: has now been eaten away by bank fees. Here's Brian
Speaker 1: speaking with Detective Gary Shean.
Speaker 2: Sally wonders if perhaps someone might be acting in a
Speaker 2: coercive manner. Do any of Marin's actions indicate to you
Speaker 2: the possibility of a motive, either for her or for
Speaker 2: someone she knows, or someone who is possibly coercing her.
Speaker 3: No. Look, there's been nothing that I've found during the
Speaker 3: period that I've had the investigation that suggests there would
Speaker 3: be any coercion other than perhaps her becoming involved with
Speaker 3: somebody who has impressed upon her that this might be
Speaker 3: a good idea, that is, to move away from the
Speaker 3: family and start a new life. There's been nothing to
Speaker 3: suggest that she is in any danger whatsoever. There's been
Speaker 3: nothing like that at all. Everything that I've found factually
Speaker 3: and circumstantially indicates to me that it's a very real
Speaker 3: possibility that Marian has decided to just start a new
Speaker 3: life for herself, and that.
Speaker 2: New life presumably is here in Australia if she's still alive,
Speaker 2: because there's no record of her leaving on that passport.
Speaker 3: Is that no, that's correct.
Speaker 2: Over the years, in her desperation, Sally has even met
Speaker 2: with psychics.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 5: I had a couple of friends of mine actually tell
Speaker 5: me that I should speak to these people. I always
Speaker 5: take it with tongue in cheek because you know it's
Speaker 5: not proven fact. But I will tell you that I've
Speaker 5: had two separate clairvoyance on completely different spectrums tell me
Speaker 5: that she's buried under floorboards and that she's deceased. So
Speaker 5: I found that really odd that they both said exactly
Speaker 5: the same thing. In two thousand and two, a guy
Speaker 5: had called crime stoppers and told that a woman by
Speaker 5: the name of Marion who went missing from northern New
Speaker 5: South Wales area had been killed and was buried in
Speaker 5: bushland in Armadale. And I questioned as to why they
Speaker 5: didn't look into that, and they said, well, we get
Speaker 5: calls like that all the time, and I said, that'd
Speaker 5: be fine if we'd had several calls, but we've had
Speaker 5: zero calls. So he fought for it, and they let
Speaker 5: him take one dog and one dog handler to search
Speaker 5: an area, and it rained the whole day, and evidently
Speaker 5: they didn't find anything.
Speaker 2: Armadale is another town in northern New South Wales, about
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty kilometers southwest of Barren Bay. Detective
Speaker 2: Gary Shein says he thoroughly investigated the anonymous call to
Speaker 2: crime stoppers, but his checks were carried out in twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Sally believes the anonymous call came eight years earlier, in
Speaker 2: two thousand and two.
Speaker 3: The other thing I will say is that at one
Speaker 3: stage there was some information come in that Marion had
Speaker 3: met foul play and had been buried out at Armadale
Speaker 3: in a paddock. I followed up that information and I
Speaker 3: traced the source of the information. Unfortunately it was a
Speaker 3: bogus name, but the address that they gave was a
Speaker 3: real address. So I traveled out to Armadah and I
Speaker 3: spoke to the people that lived there. They had no
Speaker 3: clue about what I was talking about. They didn't know
Speaker 3: the name that had been given to crime Stoppers, and
Speaker 3: I went further than that. I actually went out and
Speaker 3: spent two days at Armadah looking for the site that
Speaker 3: I believe that they had been talking about in their report.
Speaker 3: I found what I thought was the site, and I
Speaker 3: took out a kadava dog with me and I involved
Speaker 3: the Sees in a fairly expansive search for two days
Speaker 3: and we came up with nothing. So that's the only
Speaker 3: thing that we have had in the whole time. And
Speaker 3: I think that information came in prior to me being
Speaker 3: involved in the investigation, but it was something that I
Speaker 3: acted upon. But it's been the only information so far
Speaker 3: that would lead me to suggest that there was something
Speaker 3: wrong with Marion, and it proved to be false. And
Speaker 3: I guess to your relief, oh absolutely yeah. I mean,
Speaker 3: nobody wants to find out that somebody comes to, you know,
Speaker 3: to an end a grizzly and the murderer. Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2: Sally remains active on her Facebook site to find her mother,
Speaker 2: regularly posting updates on any developments.
Speaker 5: Please to be able to share with you, I'd have
Speaker 5: a strong media interest in telling mum's story.
Speaker 6: Watch this space.
Speaker 2: She's well aware of online trolls, faceless keyboard cowards in
Speaker 2: target vulnerable people to inflict pain through sheer malice. But
Speaker 2: every now and then she'll receive an odd message through
Speaker 2: the site that will raise a red flag. Just before
Speaker 2: ten pm on Tuesday, the twenty third of July twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: there were a couple of unusual posts there from someone
Speaker 2: going by the name of Clark Hunter. The first reads
Speaker 2: Natalia is alive, but you never see her again. It's
Speaker 2: followed by it was not her intention to disappear, she
Speaker 2: was forced. Sally has kept a screenshot of the messages.
Speaker 7: This guy called.
Speaker 5: Clark Hunter came onto the Facebook page and posted and said,
Speaker 5: which I find really odd. He called a Natalia and
Speaker 5: he said something along the lines of Natalia didn't want
Speaker 5: to go missing, but you will never see her again.
Speaker 5: It was not by choice, is what he said. And
Speaker 5: then I questioned him and I said where, And he
Speaker 5: came back a few times and I thankfully screenshot it
Speaker 5: on my phone because then he deleted himself from the
Speaker 5: Facebook page. So but I don't know who Clark Hunter is. No,
Speaker 5: and I don't know if he's a troll or I
Speaker 5: don't know if he's someone genuine.
Speaker 6: They're missing out on their grandmother.
Speaker 1: While Sally refused to accept that her mother would just
Speaker 1: abandon her life, other loved ones, including her sisters, felt
Speaker 1: that was the only conclusion they could draw.
Speaker 6: Sally told me the police told her that Marian wasn't
Speaker 6: a missing person. She was fifty two years old and
Speaker 6: she had chosen to leave and that was her right
Speaker 6: to do so. And you know, I'm happy to accept that.
Speaker 6: You know, I think she's probably met someone and settled
Speaker 6: down and got a new partner and starting life afresh,
Speaker 6: probably got a new job somewhere. I'm sure she's probably
Speaker 6: perfectly happy.
Speaker 1: Even Marian's ex husband, Ray Barter, believes she's still alive.
Speaker 8: Oh absolutely, I would not look something may have happened
Speaker 8: to her. I don't know, but to be honest, if
Speaker 8: you want my honest opinion, I think she's still aligned.
Speaker 8: She's somewhere would not surprise me in the slightest.
Speaker 2: As for Sally, she's toyed with all sorts of possibilities.
Speaker 2: There were so many questions that play on her mind.
Speaker 2: What happened to make her mother want to leave Australia
Speaker 2: so suddenly? Why did she unexpectedly order Chris out. The evening,
Speaker 2: he was helping her pack up her things.
Speaker 4: I think it was a Tuesday or a Wednesday evening.
Speaker 4: Sally was at Taife and Marian had sold the house,
Speaker 4: and I was around there helping her pack. I specifically
Speaker 4: remember I was sitting on the lounge room floor and
Speaker 4: I was packing up the TV cabinet and she walked
Speaker 4: out and said, what's the time. I told her what
Speaker 4: the time was, and she said, right, just drop everything.
Speaker 4: I need you to go now. It was a little
Speaker 4: bit weird, a little bit out of character, but I said, look,
Speaker 4: I'll just finished packing this box. She went, no, just
Speaker 4: leave it all there and go. I need you to
Speaker 4: go right now. So I packed up and I left
Speaker 4: then and got Sally from Faith.
Speaker 2: Who was the man in Marion's car the Knight. Sally
Speaker 2: spotted her at the petrol station shortly before she went overseas.
Speaker 5: Based on the fact of how quickly she quit school
Speaker 5: and left and was not in a very normal state
Speaker 5: that I would know my mother to be, and she
Speaker 5: was not happy. She was very upset, she was frazzled.
Speaker 5: She was to tell Chris to get out. Is not
Speaker 5: her personality at all, something had happened, something has happened
Speaker 5: to make her leave.
Speaker 2: Yet police are convinced Marian has not met with our play.
Speaker 2: There is the lingering doubt, though, that some misadventure may
Speaker 2: befallen Marian in that Sally saw her with a mysterious
Speaker 2: man in the days leading up to her disappearance. This
Speaker 2: was totally out of character, and we know that people
Speaker 2: are often coerced, often by an abusive partner or a
Speaker 2: third party, into doing things precisely like we're describing, changing
Speaker 2: their identity, emptying their accounts. Marian is a collector of
Speaker 2: antiques and artworks. We don't know where they've gone. Does
Speaker 2: anything lead you to the conclusion that possibly she may
Speaker 2: be a victim of foul play.
Speaker 3: I haven't been able to come up with anything at
Speaker 3: all of my investigation that would suggest that she was
Speaker 3: a victim of foul play.
Speaker 2: What would you need to go down that avenue of inquiry,
Speaker 2: What sorts of evidence, what sorts of things would you
Speaker 2: need to come across.
Speaker 3: Look, it's hard to say because everything is different, but
Speaker 3: if there was something there, then it certainly would be
Speaker 3: something that I would follow up. But there's been nothing
Speaker 3: to suggest that or all.
Speaker 1: Without proof that Marian is dead and without proof that
Speaker 1: she is alive, Sally's life remains in limbo. Officially, she
Speaker 1: can't even finalize her mother's estate. No one can. Sally
Speaker 1: is the sole executor of Marian's will and air to
Speaker 1: her estate.
Speaker 9: My last will and Testament dated twenty fourth of October
Speaker 9: at nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 1: After the breakdown of her marriage to Ray Barter, Marian
Speaker 1: left everything to her two children, Sally and Owen.
Speaker 9: I have given my daughter Salliem a fun Wee Brown,
Speaker 9: substantially more than my son, Owen Clifford Brown. The reason
Speaker 9: I've done this is because my son, Owen Clifford Brown
Speaker 9: resides with his father, and I feel that in the
Speaker 9: event of the children's father's death, Owen will be adequately
Speaker 9: provided for in his father's will.
Speaker 1: But with Owen now deceased as well, Sally is entitled
Speaker 1: to everything. However, she's resigned to the fact that her
Speaker 1: mother's final wishes may never be realized.
Speaker 2: In episode six, we went back to Byron Bay with Sally.
Speaker 2: This was where much of the money was drained from
Speaker 2: Marion's account on a daily basis in the weeks after
Speaker 2: her passport returned to Australia in nineteen ninety seven. Here's
Speaker 2: what happened in that episode. Today, our first stop is
Speaker 2: the bank, so let's just take a walk down here. Actually,
Speaker 2: I can see the common walk back up, Sal, we'll
Speaker 2: go through this way. I see right here, we're outside
Speaker 2: the Commonwalk bank. Yep. Whether withdrawals made here physically or electronically.
Speaker 2: So someone came in here, didn't they?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they did. I'm led to believe that that's what
Speaker 5: was happening.
Speaker 2: Five thousand dollars was taken from Marion's account every day
Speaker 2: for more than three weeks in September nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 5: It is actually a different bank if it used to
Speaker 5: be up there.
Speaker 2: Oh I did it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's actually because it was a flat yea.
Speaker 5: So when you walked in, the counter was right there
Speaker 5: in front of them.
Speaker 2: Records suggest that there wasn't any CCTV at the time,
Speaker 2: but Sally's not so sure. So someone came here and
Speaker 2: made a number of withdrawals, and yet they didn't have
Speaker 2: any CCTV footagejohb. They didn't have any camera footage on obs.
Speaker 5: Well, they wouldn't give me any CCTV footage when I
Speaker 5: came and asked them. I kind of walked in with
Speaker 5: her photo and told them that I'd found out that
Speaker 5: she had withdrawals coming out of this account this bank
Speaker 5: here Iron Bay. And he kind of just took the
Speaker 5: photo out of my hand and shook it and said, oh,
Speaker 5: that rings a bell and walked off into his manager's office,
Speaker 5: closed the door behind him, and came back out, took
Speaker 5: a photo copy of the photo and then said to me,
Speaker 5: what would you like me to say to her if
Speaker 5: I see her? Which I found was a very odd scenario.
Speaker 5: I'd just walked these streets, and I'd gone to the
Speaker 5: newsagents and gone to the pharmacy and wool worse and
Speaker 5: showing her photo around, and no one had had anything
Speaker 5: to say.
Speaker 10: No one knew who she was.
Speaker 5: Or what was going on. So could it be that
Speaker 5: he recognized her possibly possibly or someone that looked like her,
Speaker 5: or that it was an odd thing to have happened.
Speaker 5: I mean, Byron Bay, the locals know the locals, and
Speaker 5: you know, if someone's coming in every day for three
Speaker 5: and a half weeks with drawing the same amount of money,
Speaker 5: that would flag something to me is not quite right?
Speaker 2: Do you think, Marian was walking these streets twenty two
Speaker 2: years ago, walking through here into this bank, making withdrawals
Speaker 2: out of her own account. Do you think she was
Speaker 2: the one doing Itally don't know.
Speaker 5: I really honestly don't know. Yes, she could have been,
Speaker 5: but at the same time, it seems very odd to me.
Speaker 5: And this is always what's resonated with me the whole
Speaker 5: journey is that if it was her doing it, why
Speaker 5: wouldn't you just.
Speaker 6: Do it in one lump sum?
Speaker 5: And why would you bother coming to the bank. That's
Speaker 5: a big effort to go to the bank every day
Speaker 5: for three and a half weeks, and five thousand dollars
Speaker 5: is the maximum you can take out. So if it
Speaker 5: was her, why wouldn't she just electronically transfer it or
Speaker 5: you know, come in and do a transfer and a
Speaker 5: lum sum to a different account.
Speaker 7: So I question whether.
Speaker 5: Someone was forcing her to remove her money, And that's
Speaker 5: the problem for me.
Speaker 11: Is it possible that looking at it from the bank's perspective,
Speaker 11: they've got a duty of care, and that is if
Speaker 11: he or the manager recognized that woman as the person
Speaker 11: who'd made the withdrawals, and they maybe shouldn't be sharing
Speaker 11: that even with a woman who claims to be her daughter.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Sure, it was just an interesting way that he went
Speaker 5: about it, like to shut the door behind him as
Speaker 5: he walked into his manager's office, and to take a photo,
Speaker 5: like a photocopy of the photo. That was odd to me,
Speaker 5: odd behavior.
Speaker 2: Ra, No, we can't share that information. I'll see if
Speaker 2: we can help you.
Speaker 5: And if it would be normally, if it was just
Speaker 5: a flat out I can't tell you that would have
Speaker 5: been what it would be.
Speaker 2: But it was more than that, wasn't it more than that?
Speaker 5: Like there was something dodgy.
Speaker 1: On that day in October nineteen ninety seven, when Sally
Speaker 1: canvassed the streets, no one recognized Marian's photo she detected,
Speaker 1: perhaps a flicker of recognition from the bank teller, but
Speaker 1: not from any other person. Admittedly, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of tourists at Byron and itinerants, so there's a regular
Speaker 1: passing parade of new faces. But surely a local or
Speaker 1: someone who worked in the shops and cafes at that
Speaker 1: time could recall seeing or speaking to a middle aged
Speaker 1: woman who was in town every single day for three
Speaker 1: and a half weeks. Sally was in Byron a matter
Speaker 1: of weeks after the last withdrawals from Marion's account were made,
Speaker 1: so people's memories would have been fairly fresh. But again,
Speaker 1: there are so many possibilities. Maybe Marian only ever went
Speaker 1: to the bank and left straight away, avoiding other people
Speaker 1: and places for fear of being seen. Perhaps she was
Speaker 1: in disguise, or perhaps someone else was going to the
Speaker 1: bank on her behalf. About five hundred meters from the
Speaker 1: beach is the Byron Bay Police Station. Detective Gary Sheen,
Speaker 1: the investigator on Marion's case, works there. We go to
Speaker 1: see him.
Speaker 5: Hello, how are you. I'm good, Thank you.
Speaker 1: They make small talk before she and Gary finally diving
Speaker 1: to the subject that forced their lives to cross more
Speaker 1: than a decade ago.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm just thinking, I don't know. Like Gary and
Speaker 5: I have had plenty of conversations about this, haven't we.
Speaker 5: We've tossed over every possible scenario. And I think she's
Speaker 5: met with foul play. I think something has happened at
Speaker 5: TSS which sparked her to go into a frenzy of
Speaker 5: changing her name and going overseas and coming back. But
Speaker 5: why the money was stripped out of her bank account
Speaker 5: in such a unique fashion, and it's such a random thing.
Speaker 5: To take out five thousand dollars out of a bank
Speaker 5: account every day for three and a half weeks, That
Speaker 5: to me isn't a flagged thing by the banks. And
Speaker 5: to change your name to such a random name like
Speaker 5: Florabella Ramkeel, Like if you want to go missing, you'd
Speaker 5: be Jane Brown, you wouldn't be Florabella. That's a really
Speaker 5: unique and unusual name for somebody who wants to disappear
Speaker 5: the face of the planet.
Speaker 12: The name.
Speaker 3: I thought that was quite flamboyant, very weird.
Speaker 5: Like I just don't like it's just not the character
Speaker 5: of my mum either, Like I just don't know that
Speaker 5: she would be that person. So I don't know. I
Speaker 5: think I think something definitely went wrong, not to say
Speaker 5: that she didn't meet somebody or you know, do something
Speaker 5: and then it went pear shaped or if something happened,
Speaker 5: Like I'm still questioning who the guy was in the car.
Speaker 3: That's a real mystery at the time. I've been thinking about.
Speaker 5: Look too, and what I have found out since I've
Speaker 5: spoken to you last is that And these are just
Speaker 5: from parents at TSS having enlightened me to their story
Speaker 5: that she was seeing one of the dads in her
Speaker 5: class in nineteen ninety seven, and he was a single dad,
Speaker 5: and all they can tell me was that he was
Speaker 5: a pilot. I spoke to her teacher's aide and she
Speaker 5: said to me that when the little boy would arrive
Speaker 5: at school, mum would run out to go and see
Speaker 5: the dad in the car, and sometimes she'd be out
Speaker 5: there for thirty forty minutes talking to him. And Barbara,
Speaker 5: who was an assistant, kind of got a little bit
Speaker 5: upset about that because she was like, oh, she left
Speaker 5: me to deal with the boys while she's out there
Speaker 5: talking to the guy, like you know. It was a
Speaker 5: bit of that kind of tone. And anyway, apparently mum
Speaker 5: used to babysit the little boy to help the dad out.
Speaker 5: And the little boy came into class one day and
Speaker 5: said to my mum, oh, see that lady over there.
Speaker 5: My dad's going to marry her. And my mum collapsed
Speaker 5: and had a meltdown and ran out of the classroom.
Speaker 5: And Barbara said to me, she said, I felt like
Speaker 5: she had a breakdown at that point. And that's been
Speaker 5: really interesting for me because I didn't know about a pilot.
Speaker 5: I didn't know like I no, and I knew that
Speaker 5: she was openly seeing the groundsman, the maintenance guy that's
Speaker 5: Greg Edwards. So he's still at TSS.
Speaker 3: Did I expect agree when I went up there?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, So we went out for dinner with him.
Speaker 5: So Mum was very open and honest and.
Speaker 2: All above board with it.
Speaker 3: Everyone knew about that relationship.
Speaker 5: I was like, why why hired the pilot? But then
Speaker 5: I spoke to Janice White, who's one of Mom's really
Speaker 5: long term friends. Mum used to teach with her in
Speaker 5: the sixties and she's friends with Barbara, So there was
Speaker 5: this kind of like little connection that I found out.
Speaker 5: And Jannah said to me, I knew about the pilot.
Speaker 5: She told me about the pilot and.
Speaker 1: She said to me, I like him.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure how much he likes me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So that was an interesting.
Speaker 5: Conversation to have. So I've kind of questioned, is the
Speaker 5: pilot the guy in the car at McDonald's.
Speaker 3: That'd be something that I'd really really liked to know,
Speaker 3: because I remember when you gave me your statement, you
Speaker 3: talked about the fact that Mum had always pretty much
Speaker 3: been in relationships and yearned to be in relationships. So
Speaker 3: to find out who that bloke was in that car
Speaker 3: would be very, very interesting, and it'll probably give us
Speaker 3: a little bit more information than what we've got now.
Speaker 3: But the fact is we don't know who he is.
Speaker 2: I so where I'm working on that detective She believes
Speaker 2: Marian has chosen to disappear, and he's not sure he'll
Speaker 2: ever find her.
Speaker 3: Circumstantially, it paints a picture for me that leads me
Speaker 3: to believe that Marian, in fact, has decided to estrange
Speaker 3: herself from the family for whatever reason, and get on
Speaker 3: with a new life. There are a lot of things
Speaker 3: that Sally has told me about her mother's behaviors when
Speaker 3: she was in Australia before she decided to go over
Speaker 3: to England. She's also appears to have made a fairly
Speaker 3: quick decision to have gone, in that she sold a house,
Speaker 3: resigned from a job that Sally says she absolutely loved,
Speaker 3: and then gone overseas. But prior to going I know
Speaker 3: for a fact that she applied for this new passport
Speaker 3: in a new name, and for whatever reason again decided
Speaker 3: not to tell the family that she had done that,
Speaker 3: and actually traveled overseas on that passport.
Speaker 2: And yet the Threadboater has asked her she was calling,
Speaker 2: leaving messages to make sure Sally was okay. Why would
Speaker 2: someone disappear themselves from her daughter's life for good if
Speaker 2: she was still at that late stage checking in with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I can't answer that. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: really don't know. Sally tells me that she did receive
Speaker 3: a phone call from my mum. From what I understand,
Speaker 3: that phone call is very close to when she came
Speaker 3: back to Australia. I have no idea why she would
Speaker 3: do anything like that.
Speaker 2: The postcards seemingly countenancing a continuing relationship with her family.
Speaker 2: Why send them if you're cutting them off again?
Speaker 3: I can't answer that. There may be reasons, but I
Speaker 3: just don't know the answers to that.
Speaker 2: Now, the Luxembourg ball connection. There was a connection with Luxembourg,
Speaker 2: wasn't there.
Speaker 3: There was a suggestion on the incoming passenger card. Well,
Speaker 3: it wasn't a suggestion. It was indicated on the incoming
Speaker 3: passenger card that Marion or Florabella had arrived in Brisbane
Speaker 3: via Hong Kong and was residing in Luxembourg. There was
Speaker 3: also an indication that she was only going to stay
Speaker 3: in Australia for a very short period of time days
Speaker 3: or weeks days. But after having made some more inquiries
Speaker 3: with the Department of Immigration, those incoming passenger cards aren't
Speaker 3: checked and people aren't held accountable for what they write
Speaker 3: on them, So it would be very very easy to
Speaker 3: write anything that you wanted on the card and it
Speaker 3: would never ever be picked up again. Through what I
Speaker 3: had established with my other inquiries, it led me to
Speaker 3: believe that it was a very good chance that Florabella
Speaker 3: had written what she did on the incoming passenger card
Speaker 3: to try and cover up the fact that she was
Speaker 3: coming back to Australia. Look, I don't know what goes
Speaker 3: through people's minds when they make decisions such as these,
Speaker 3: that is, to start a new life for any reason
Speaker 3: that they decide. If she didn't want to be located,
Speaker 3: I think it would be a reasonable thing for someone
Speaker 3: in that mind frame to do, but to the average
Speaker 3: punter it would seem quite unusual. I mean, you have
Speaker 3: to remember that prior to going to England again, she
Speaker 3: applied for a passport with a complete name change, didn't
Speaker 3: tell anybody travel overseas as if nothing had happened in
Speaker 3: regards to that. If you look at it in the
Speaker 3: perspective of a person who had gone to all that
Speaker 3: length of trouble to do that before she left, it
Speaker 3: just seems to be a step in the same direction and.
Speaker 2: Also to play devil's advocate to find out whether or
Speaker 2: not she did come under someone's spell or fall to
Speaker 2: some sort of misadventure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, you spoke before about the fact that Sally had
Speaker 3: said she'd seen her mother with a gentleman. To my mind,
Speaker 3: that could be one way or the other. But after again,
Speaker 3: having seen what I've seen and seen what I've found
Speaker 3: through my investigation, it tends to sit on the timeline
Speaker 3: of her being involved with a male person and quite
Speaker 3: potentially setting up a new life for herself that didn't
Speaker 3: involve her old Whilst it's only circumstantial, it does fit
Speaker 3: that timeline of how things occurred and some of the
Speaker 3: levels of secrecy that she went to to try and
Speaker 3: do some of the things that she actually did either
Speaker 3: passport and return to Australia without telling anybody.
Speaker 2: Detective she says, by now Marian could have a fully
Speaker 2: established new identity and life and may feel completely detached
Speaker 2: from the person she was twenty two years ago.
Speaker 1: In a statement, New South Wales Police said proper procedure was.
Speaker 7: Followed pajeteen of the NSWPF Missing Persons Standard Operating Procedures
Speaker 7: officers to seek approval from the manager of the Missing
Speaker 7: Persons Unit to withdraw a case from the register in
Speaker 7: extraordinary circumstances. This was done based on the evidence available
Speaker 7: to investigators at the time, a decision authorized and approved
Speaker 7: by Gary's superiors as per the normal chain of command.
Speaker 1: In a bit to try to find out what may
Speaker 1: have been going on in Marion's life, we interviewed a
Speaker 1: forensic psychologist, the head of Federal Police Missing Persons Unit,
Speaker 1: and an expert in colts. By the time episode seven
Speaker 1: was released, we discovered that the New South Wales Police
Speaker 1: Force Missing Persons Unit was to be reviewed due to
Speaker 1: underresourcing and poor leadership. In this episode, we explored the
Speaker 1: many leads and messages we'd received from former students and
Speaker 1: staff at the Southport School, Marion's last known workplace. We
Speaker 1: discovered some disturb being historical allegations about what may have
Speaker 1: been going on behind closed doors, some of it before
Speaker 1: Marian's time there. We're not going to revisit those allegations,
Speaker 1: as we're not convinced they had anything to do with
Speaker 1: Marian's disappearance, although it can be said there were likely
Speaker 1: some personality conflicts and Marian no longer seemed happy at work,
Speaker 1: which may have been the impetus for her to suddenly
Speaker 1: quit without warning. We also looked at the possibility that
Speaker 1: Marian may perhaps be a witness in protection for something
Speaker 1: she may have discovered, but it was just a theory
Speaker 1: we explored, which delivered nothing solid.
Speaker 2: In Episode eight, we headed back to northern New South
Speaker 2: Wales to investigate information we'd received from a number of
Speaker 2: people that Marian may be part of a cult there.
Speaker 2: Despite our efforts, we drew a blank. By this stage,
Speaker 2: we were also trying to access Marian's passport and the
Speaker 2: documents she filled in to chain her name to Flora
Speaker 2: Bella Italia Marion Remachel, and we were making inquiries about
Speaker 2: passenger lists for the flights Marion took to and from
Speaker 2: the United Kingdom, as well as looking at the timing
Speaker 2: of her final phone call to Sally from Tunbridge Wells
Speaker 2: and her return flight to Australia. We discovered that all
Speaker 2: bank withdrawal slips possibly used by Marian and the paper
Speaker 2: records of storage companies would most likely have been destroyed
Speaker 2: given the passage of time. And we began our connection
Speaker 2: with our super slutes, the first being Christina in the
Speaker 2: United Kingdom.
Speaker 13: And I'm kind of like her stove with a bone,
Speaker 13: and I won't let it go. I just keep going
Speaker 13: until I find something. So yeah, I do have an
Speaker 13: interest in looking into the finer details.
Speaker 1: Christina tracked down all of the flight numbers for airlines
Speaker 1: that travel from Japan to London on June twenty seventh,
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, and twenty ninth. In nineteen ninety seven, Marion
Speaker 1: had a stopover in Japan and on her way to England.
Speaker 1: She left Australia on June twenty sixth and her letter,
Speaker 1: written on paper with the Japanese hotel logo, was posted
Speaker 1: at Tunbridge Wells in the UK on June the thirtieth. Later,
Speaker 1: it was discovered she actually went on a different airline,
Speaker 1: but at the time this is what we explored. All
Speaker 1: this was revealed in episode nine. Here's what else Christina
Speaker 1: was working on back then.
Speaker 13: Okay, well, I started by looking into the postcards. So
Speaker 13: on one of those postcards that Marion sent from the
Speaker 13: UK in July nineteen ninety seven. The picture on that
Speaker 13: postcard was of a little market square in this small
Speaker 13: village called Alphaston, which is in East Sussex, and that's
Speaker 13: about eight kilometers north of the coast, and it's a
Speaker 13: small village and it's in a picturesque setting. Apparently back
Speaker 13: in nineteen ninety seven it was a busy village and
Speaker 13: there was lots happening there, not so much now. And
Speaker 13: one of the shops in the picture is Sally's Craft Center,
Speaker 13: and this is where the postcard is purchased, because on
Speaker 13: the back of the postcard it has a gold sticker
Speaker 13: with the name of the shop, and Marian mentioned in
Speaker 13: it what she'd written in the postcard that she was
Speaker 13: there in Alpiston, so there's every reason to believe she
Speaker 13: was there. But since found out the shop is no
Speaker 13: longer Sally's Craft Center and it hasn't been.
Speaker 6: That for some years.
Speaker 13: I've managed to get the name of the lady that
Speaker 13: owned the shop and I'd like to make contact with her.
Speaker 13: Maybe someone remembers Marian coming into the shop, So I've
Speaker 13: reached out to some other local Facebook groups in the
Speaker 13: Alphiston area and the local lady there has offered to
Speaker 13: put up a poster on the noticeboard in the village
Speaker 13: store and maybe get the story published in the parish magazine.
Speaker 13: So the word is getting out there that Marion was there.
Speaker 13: So it's just continuing with that line of inquiry.
Speaker 1: And I also believe that you've got some contacts potentially
Speaker 1: in the in regard to the Orient Express.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 13: So my husband, who has worked on the railway for
Speaker 13: some years, he has a contact at the company that
Speaker 13: does the booking for the Urine Express. So he's made
Speaker 13: contact to them to see if they have any booking
Speaker 13: records or or any kind of records that go back
Speaker 13: to nineteen ninety seven, and he's waiting for a reply
Speaker 13: from them. That's another line of inquiry that's continuing at
Speaker 13: the moment. So looking into Tunbridge World, because it does
Speaker 13: look like that's where Marion was staying, and that is
Speaker 13: in the county of Kent, east of Sussex, or their
Speaker 13: next door to each other. I've been emailing hotels in
Speaker 13: Tunbridge well to see if any of them have guest
Speaker 13: records going back to nineteen ninety seven, and so much
Speaker 13: time has passed, quite a few of the hotels have
Speaker 13: changed ownership or management and there aren't any records from
Speaker 13: that far back. I am waiting to hear back from
Speaker 13: a few others. It's the same case with car rental places,
Speaker 13: because it seems that Marion rented a car. Usually due
Speaker 13: to data protection laws, there aren't any records from that
Speaker 13: far back. So again it's the case of sharing information
Speaker 13: with the public in the hope that they recall something.
Speaker 13: And then also we know that Marion was in Tonbridge,
Speaker 13: which is actually very close to Tunbridge. Well, so Tonbridge
Speaker 13: is spelt tn whereas Tundridge starts with tun They're very
Speaker 13: close to each other, only about twelve kilometers apart. But
Speaker 13: it looks like Mariam visited a castle in Tombridge, and
Speaker 13: the letter that she sent to Sally the postage stamp
Speaker 13: has the town Tombridge on the stamp, so it really
Speaker 13: does look like she was there. And then that was
Speaker 13: dated the thirtieth of June, so it looks like she
Speaker 13: was in the Tombridge area at the end of June.
Speaker 13: And then it looks like she's made her way further south,
Speaker 13: traveling around the southeast of England, further down towards the coast,
Speaker 13: which then leads to another postcard that she sent from Brighton,
Speaker 13: So she visited a shop there also another little sucked
Speaker 13: out of the way obscure shots and again that shop
Speaker 13: is no longer there unfortunately. The owner of that shop
Speaker 13: is retired and moved to France around two thousand and two.
Speaker 13: That may be a bit more of a challenge to
Speaker 13: track her down. So she's bought the postcard at this
Speaker 13: shot in Brighton that that has the posted stamp of
Speaker 13: the town Hastings on it, which is a bit further
Speaker 13: east of Brighton, So that's possibly another location that she
Speaker 13: was in during those first weeks of July. So Zudie
Speaker 13: Cooper sadly mentioned that Marian became friends with a teacher
Speaker 13: called Sudie Cooper who went to TSS School on an
Speaker 13: exchange but themes from the UK. Mary had mentioned to
Speaker 13: her friend and that it was good that she now
Speaker 13: had a contact in the UK if she should decide
Speaker 13: to stay or work there, As sadly pointed out, that
Speaker 13: would be a strange thing to mention if you were
Speaker 13: planning on completely disappearing. So I'm looking into teachers here
Speaker 13: in the UK with that name, and has started sending
Speaker 13: a few emails I know that Sally was going to
Speaker 13: look into the archives at Tess to see if said
Speaker 13: any information on her, But be really good if she
Speaker 13: could be tracked down, because she could hold some really
Speaker 13: important information. Maybe her full name was Susanne or Susan,
Speaker 13: so I'd really like to narrow that down. But I
Speaker 13: think she would be a really important person to find.
Speaker 13: That leads me on to the Steine School because he
Speaker 13: had mentioned that Marion may well have gone to the
Speaker 13: UK because of her interest in those schools. And there
Speaker 13: are two Steiner schools.
Speaker 6: Here in Sussex.
Speaker 13: One in forest Row which is just south of best Instead,
Speaker 13: and that is about twenty five kilometers from Tunbridge, well
Speaker 13: so not far. And the other one is in Brighton
Speaker 13: on the coast, which is about about twenty eight kilometers
Speaker 13: from Alphreston, so they're close to places that Marian was visiting.
Speaker 13: And I have email both of those schools and after
Speaker 13: if there's any record of Marion's visiting or making inquiries
Speaker 13: into teaching there. Both of the schools have responded and
Speaker 13: said they've passed the information onto current staff and even
Speaker 13: some ex members of staff who were there in nineteen
Speaker 13: ninety seven. So I'm just waiting for some feedback from them,
Speaker 13: and I've now started to email other sin of schools
Speaker 13: as well. Just the small point that Bally mentioned to
Speaker 13: me this week was that Marian had said I think
Speaker 13: in one of her letters that she had put some
Speaker 13: of her luggage into left luggage Heathrow before hiring the
Speaker 13: car and having more freedom to travel around. So I
Speaker 13: think she had quite a bit of luggage and getting
Speaker 13: rid of that for a while enabled her some more freedom.
Speaker 13: I'm just wondering if that luggage was ever picked up
Speaker 13: on me. I don't know if you would be able
Speaker 13: to find out that information now after so long that
Speaker 13: it was just the thought that I had, I thought,
Speaker 13: did she ever pick it up?
Speaker 14: Good thought?
Speaker 1: Now there is that possibility that her identity was stolen
Speaker 1: and it was somebody else that came back in and
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have known about that luggage if that was
Speaker 1: the case. Absolutely, So all right, No, that's wonderful, Christia.
Speaker 13: Please keep in touch, so absolutely, and I'll just I'll
Speaker 13: keep digging and I'll keep notes of everything that I'm
Speaker 13: finding the information not as jasin, so whatever.
Speaker 2: I can do, And true to her word, Christina keeps
Speaker 2: on chasing down any query or lead she has. In
Speaker 2: recent days, she's been in touch with British Telecom the
Speaker 2: BT Archives manager, asking about whether records still exist for
Speaker 2: a payphone in Tunbridge Wells that may have been used
Speaker 2: by Marion Barter on August the Fir nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 2: to call her daughter in Australia.
Speaker 14: Dear Christina, I'm afraid payphone call records are not kept
Speaker 14: for any great length of time. I believe it's in
Speaker 14: the order of weeks or months, and certainly not years.
Speaker 14: I can state definitively that there are no such records
Speaker 14: from nineteen ninety seven in existence. Sorry, the brand able
Speaker 14: to help, best regards, James Elda Archives manager.
Speaker 2: A dead end this time, but you never know until
Speaker 2: you try. In episode nine, we also heard from Sally's husband,
Speaker 2: Chris Leyden.
Speaker 4: She was obviously a very passionate woman about the job
Speaker 4: that she did teaching. She was always very polite, She
Speaker 4: was always very accommodating of her guests in her home.
Speaker 4: She was someone who came across as a caring individual.
Speaker 10: What do you think happened to her?
Speaker 4: I don't speculate for me. You've got to base everything
Speaker 4: on fact. The problem is that there's not a great
Speaker 4: deal of facts. Even the police report is poor at best,
Speaker 4: to be honest, from what I've seen of it. Yea
Speaker 4: a five year old child with a box of crayons
Speaker 4: could probably keep a more accurate report.
Speaker 10: Does it sometimes make you angry that Marian going missing
Speaker 10: has been such a source of sadness for Sally?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 5: And no.
Speaker 4: There's not so much anger because until there's factual evidence
Speaker 4: around what's actually happened to Marian, it would be silly
Speaker 4: to bring an emotion like anger in. It's frustrating that
Speaker 4: there's an unsolved missing person's case that really the I
Speaker 4: guess the police services in general don't really want to
Speaker 4: know about. Yeah, there's a lot of speculation, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of assumption, and she doesn't fit specifically into one
Speaker 4: of their boxes on a report, so they leave her
Speaker 4: as found. It's ridiculous because she's not found.
Speaker 10: So perhaps if authorities had handled this better, then the
Speaker 10: room for speculation wouldn't have been as much.
Speaker 4: I agree. I think if they are handled it better
Speaker 4: right from the start, instead of brushing it aside and
Speaker 4: making assumptions that weren't based on fact, perhaps she wouldn't
Speaker 4: be in this situation we are now.
Speaker 2: You may recall Chris and Sally saw Marion with a
Speaker 2: stranger at a Gold Coast service station near a McDonald's restaurant,
Speaker 2: not long before she left to go overseas. This is
Speaker 2: his memory of that evening. Sally was at a class
Speaker 2: at Taife and Chris was at Marion's home.
Speaker 10: So Sally mentioned that she turned on you one day
Speaker 10: when you were helping her pack, not long before she
Speaker 10: went overseas. Can you tell us about that?
Speaker 4: I think turned on's probably a bit over dramatic, but
Speaker 4: I was round there. I think it was a Tuesday
Speaker 4: or a Wednesday evening. Sally was at Taife and Marian
Speaker 4: had sold the house, and I was round there helping
Speaker 4: her pack. I specifically remember I was sitting on the
Speaker 4: lounge room floor and I was packing up the TV
Speaker 4: cabinet and she walked out and said, what's the time.
Speaker 4: I told her what the time was, and she said, right,
Speaker 4: just drop everything. I need you to go now. It
Speaker 4: was a little bit weird, a little bit out of character,
Speaker 4: but I said, look, I've just finished packing this box.
Speaker 4: She went, no, just leave it all there and go.
Speaker 4: I need you to go right now. So I packed
Speaker 4: up and I left, went and got Sally from Taithe.
Speaker 10: After that, I understand that you and Sally then went
Speaker 10: to McDonald's. Do you have something to eat?
Speaker 4: Yes, we did. I picked Sally up from Taithe. It
Speaker 4: was quite late, so a bit hungry. We just thought
Speaker 4: we'd drop in there to bundle road. Actually it was
Speaker 4: the service station attached to the McDonald's. We dropped in there,
Speaker 4: and yeah, at the time I saw marry him pull
Speaker 4: up at the service station to obviously fill a car
Speaker 4: with fuel. I said to Sally, there's your mother. Sally
Speaker 4: sort of got her attention, and she jumped back in
Speaker 4: the car and sped away, really the wrong way through
Speaker 4: the drive through. Fun actually for her, But yeah, there
Speaker 4: was a there was somebody in the car with her
Speaker 4: who looked to be male and quite a tall gentleman
Speaker 4: at that.
Speaker 10: Do you remember any other anything else distinctive about him
Speaker 10: at all?
Speaker 4: No, I mean not really. I mean you're looking out
Speaker 4: a window into a lit service station fore court into
Speaker 4: a dark car, you don't. You don't really get detail
Speaker 4: of who that might have been. The silhouette of him
Speaker 4: through the window. He was obviously a big.
Speaker 10: Person, and she moved quickly, did she without him actually
Speaker 10: putting petrol into the car?
Speaker 4: And that's my recollection is.
Speaker 1: We're still trying to find out who that mysterious tall
Speaker 1: man was. Marian brushed aside Sally's questions in the days
Speaker 1: after the incident. Perhaps it was just an acquaintance taking
Speaker 1: her out for a drink, though why the need for
Speaker 1: such secrecy. Marian said she met him at the local
Speaker 1: arts center. That may or may not have been true. However,
Speaker 1: it would be interesting to hear from someone who worked
Speaker 1: at the Gold Coast Art Centre in nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 1: and was familiar with people who regularly visited. It seems
Speaker 1: unlikely that the mysterious man was Greg Edwards, the groundsman
Speaker 1: from TSS, whom Marian had been out with a few times,
Speaker 1: because he wasn't a secret. Sally had met him and
Speaker 1: would likely have recognized him. But could it have been
Speaker 1: someone else Marian worked with. Could it have been the father, uncle,
Speaker 1: or grandfather of one of her students, Perhaps the pilot,
Speaker 1: one of Marian's former colleagues, remembers the one that Marian
Speaker 1: had apparently been seeing. Sally has managed to get her
Speaker 1: hands on some of Marian's class lists from TSN and
Speaker 1: we are trying to track down that pilot, or.
Speaker 2: Was the mysterious stranger, someone who'd secretly swept Marian off
Speaker 2: her feet, lavished her with attention and affection, promised to
Speaker 2: help her escape the turmoil of her life, take her
Speaker 2: on an adventure and establish a whole new life. Maybe
Speaker 2: that person promised her the world and then took her
Speaker 2: world away from her. Whatever the case, if there's someone
Speaker 2: out there who has any information about that mysterious tall
Speaker 2: man in the car, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1: In episode nine, we reported that Sally had applied via
Speaker 1: email to the New South Wales Coroner seeking an inquest
Speaker 1: for her mother.
Speaker 5: Good afternoon, Coroner. My name is Sally Laden and I
Speaker 5: am writing to you today applying for a coronial inquest
Speaker 5: in relation to my mother, Marian Barter, who has now
Speaker 5: been missing with trace for twenty two years.
Speaker 1: Sally goes on to detail the particulars of the case,
Speaker 1: Marian's unhappiness at TSS, the dates of her resignation, her
Speaker 1: departure for England, the postcard sent home, the missing money,
Speaker 1: and the name change.
Speaker 5: I've also created a timeline of events to assist us
Speaker 5: since she went missing in nineteen ninety seven and have
Speaker 5: attached this for your perusal.
Speaker 1: She expresses disappointment with New South Wales Police and advisors
Speaker 1: of the documents she can provide.
Speaker 5: I am happy to provide further information you require in
Speaker 5: order to proceed with the inquest.
Speaker 1: Before explaining her greatest fear think that.
Speaker 5: The events leading up to her disappearance were so out
Speaker 5: of character, and the fact that absolutely no one can
Speaker 5: find my mum, not the New South Wales Police Force
Speaker 5: AFP nor the Salvation Army Family Tracing Service can find her.
Speaker 5: I'm devastatingly concerned that she may have met with foul play.
Speaker 1: Sally then signs off with the plea.
Speaker 5: If you could please acknowledge receipt of this email and
Speaker 5: advance how long I can expect to hear back from
Speaker 5: you with an answer, thanking you in anticipation.
Speaker 2: Another thing we've determined is that other than Flora Bella Remichel,
Speaker 2: there is no record of a further name change for
Speaker 2: Marian through births, deaths and marriages. That doesn't mean she
Speaker 2: hasn't assumed another identity, It just means she hasn't done
Speaker 2: so officially. Also, when her passport expired in two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven. It has never been reissued in any name.
Speaker 1: I'm seventeen now, and there's another generation coming to understand
Speaker 1: the weight that Sally has shouldered for years. Her daughter Ella,
Speaker 1: Ella is the oldest of Sally's children. She's never known
Speaker 1: a life with Marion in it.
Speaker 12: For someone that I've never met, she has had quite
Speaker 12: a big impact on my life, but I like to
Speaker 12: think of it as a good one, because you know,
Speaker 12: she obviously isn't here, and she isn't around, and my
Speaker 12: uncle isn't around, and my grandfather lives in the Blue Mountains.
Speaker 12: My mom doesn't really have a lot of family outside
Speaker 12: of our immediate family right here to call on or
Speaker 12: to ask for help or to go and see or
Speaker 12: to have around. So my mom and I are very
Speaker 12: very close as a result of that, which is really nice.
Speaker 12: I feel like I can tell her everything, which I
Speaker 12: know a lot of people don't feel like they can
Speaker 12: tell their parents everything, especially when they're my age. So
Speaker 12: I think it's really nice that I do have that
Speaker 12: relationship with her, and I think, if anything, at least,
Speaker 12: that's one good thing that's come out of this whole
Speaker 12: scenario is that, Yeah, it's definitely brought my mom and
Speaker 12: I and even our entire family a lot closer than
Speaker 12: most families are.
Speaker 5: I would say, yeah, like.
Speaker 1: Her mom, Ella belize, Marion has met with thou play I.
Speaker 12: Do you think that you know someone's manipulated her or
Speaker 12: taken advantage of her, or something along the lines of
Speaker 12: that kind of scenario, And that's what's happened to her
Speaker 12: for sure.
Speaker 1: Here that concludes the third of our catch up episodes.
Speaker 1: Next time the piece of information that really led to
Speaker 1: some major breakthroughs in the case.
Speaker 2: If you knew Marian or have any information about her
Speaker 2: or her whereabouts, we'd love to hear from you. Our
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