WEBVTT - The Catch-Up - 3 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.720 Welcome back to The Lady Vanishers the catch up series 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.320 Episode three. I'm Alison Sandy. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:15.400 And I'm Brian Seymour. This time we revisit episodes five 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:17.599 to nine of The Lady Vanishers. 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.959 By this stage of our podcast, we were starting to 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.200 receive a number of leads and messages from our listeners 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:28.880 and former acquaintances and colleagues of Marion. Sally was also 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.720 outlining how many different authorities she'd approached, from the New 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.600 South Wales Police to the Salvation Army Missing Persons Unit, 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.839 to Federal Police and in twenty sixteen, the Queensland Police. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.879 She even approached the New South Wales Premier to have 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.879 carriage of the case transferred to Queensland. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.680 But she still felt that every door she knocked on 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.920 was being closed firmly in her face. Having already determined 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.840 that Marian was not on the electoral roll, was not 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.720 receiving the pension not claiming from Centerlink, and had not 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.919 used her Medicare cards since September nineteen ninety seven, Sally 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:12.240 made inquiries into her mother's unaccessed superannuation and checked with 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.840 the Australian Tax Office to determine whether there had been 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:20.720 any activity in her mother's name. He's an excerpt from 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:21.480 episode five. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.440 Sally is convinced money plays a big role in this case. 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.160 This is her reasoning. Why would someone go to the 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.760 effort of withdrawing the limit of five thousand dollars in 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.959 cash every single day for three and a half weeks 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.760 in August and September nineteen ninety seven from Byron Bay 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.960 and Burly Heads, where Marion was highly likely to have 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:57.680 been recognized. If it was Marian making the withdrawals, couldn't 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.840 she simply prove her identity to the bank and transfer 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:05.040 the money to another account, or again, with proof of identity, 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:07.960 have the withdrawal limit raised so she could take a 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:14.000 lump sum in one transaction. And why would someone purporting 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.120 to be Marion be angry with Sally that the seven 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.760 five hundred dollars she'd made selling Marion's car wasn't immediately 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.160 transferred to her account. It wasn't as though Marian was 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.200 desperately in need of the cash, she just sold her home. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:35.960 Her bank accounts were very healthy. Sally's theory is that 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:40.440 whoever drained Marion's bank accounts or convinced Marian too did 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:44.280 not know that Marian had a significant amount of superannuation 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.480 owing to her, and they did not know about the 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:51.720 twenty thousand dollars Marion transferred to a Barclay's bank account 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:56.720 in the United Kingdom just before she went overseas that's 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:01.760 still sitting there. Back into that and seventeen, it amounted 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.720 to just under fifteen thousand dollars. It is not known 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.920 how much Marion used during her trip or how much 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:14.639 has now been eaten away by bank fees. Here's Brian 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:16.480 speaking with Detective Gary Shean. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.720 Sally wonders if perhaps someone might be acting in a 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:25.160 coercive manner. Do any of Marin's actions indicate to you 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.440 the possibility of a motive, either for her or for 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:31.560 someone she knows, or someone who is possibly coercing her. 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.760 No. Look, there's been nothing that I've found during the 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.360 period that I've had the investigation that suggests there would 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.920 be any coercion other than perhaps her becoming involved with 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:47.600 somebody who has impressed upon her that this might be 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.960 a good idea, that is, to move away from the 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:52.920 family and start a new life. There's been nothing to 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:58.040 suggest that she is in any danger whatsoever. There's been 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:02.320 nothing like that at all. Everything that I've found factually 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:06.000 and circumstantially indicates to me that it's a very real 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.080 possibility that Marian has decided to just start a new 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:10.520 life for herself, and that. 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.560 New life presumably is here in Australia if she's still alive, 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.480 because there's no record of her leaving on that passport. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:17.599 Is that no, that's correct. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.920 Over the years, in her desperation, Sally has even met 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:25.880 with psychics. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:28.520 I did. 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.760 I had a couple of friends of mine actually tell 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.320 me that I should speak to these people. I always 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.200 take it with tongue in cheek because you know it's 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.719 not proven fact. But I will tell you that I've 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:45.320 had two separate clairvoyance on completely different spectrums tell me 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:50.200 that she's buried under floorboards and that she's deceased. So 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.080 I found that really odd that they both said exactly 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.240 the same thing. In two thousand and two, a guy 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.720 had called crime stoppers and told that a woman by 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.760 the name of Marion who went missing from northern New 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.880 South Wales area had been killed and was buried in 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:11.760 bushland in Armadale. And I questioned as to why they 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:13.479 didn't look into that, and they said, well, we get 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.520 calls like that all the time, and I said, that'd 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.320 be fine if we'd had several calls, but we've had 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:23.040 zero calls. So he fought for it, and they let 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.880 him take one dog and one dog handler to search 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.919 an area, and it rained the whole day, and evidently 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:30.040 they didn't find anything. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.520 Armadale is another town in northern New South Wales, about 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.800 three hundred and fifty kilometers southwest of Barren Bay. Detective 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:45.599 Gary Shein says he thoroughly investigated the anonymous call to 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.560 crime stoppers, but his checks were carried out in twenty ten. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:54.040 Sally believes the anonymous call came eight years earlier, in 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:55.080 two thousand and two. 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.360 The other thing I will say is that at one 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:01.120 stage there was some information come in that Marion had 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.760 met foul play and had been buried out at Armadale 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:10.480 in a paddock. I followed up that information and I 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:15.480 traced the source of the information. Unfortunately it was a 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.640 bogus name, but the address that they gave was a 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.680 real address. So I traveled out to Armadah and I 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.200 spoke to the people that lived there. They had no 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.600 clue about what I was talking about. They didn't know 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.680 the name that had been given to crime Stoppers, and 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.760 I went further than that. I actually went out and 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.960 spent two days at Armadah looking for the site that 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.560 I believe that they had been talking about in their report. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.120 I found what I thought was the site, and I 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.160 took out a kadava dog with me and I involved 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:49.320 the Sees in a fairly expansive search for two days 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.760 and we came up with nothing. So that's the only 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.640 thing that we have had in the whole time. And 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:57.920 I think that information came in prior to me being 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.920 involved in the investigation, but it was something that I 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.800 acted upon. But it's been the only information so far 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.159 that would lead me to suggest that there was something 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.560 wrong with Marion, and it proved to be false. And 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:13.040 I guess to your relief, oh absolutely yeah. I mean, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:17.000 nobody wants to find out that somebody comes to, you know, 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.360 to an end a grizzly and the murderer. Absolutely yeah. 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.440 Sally remains active on her Facebook site to find her mother, 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.760 regularly posting updates on any developments. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.280 Please to be able to share with you, I'd have 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.720 a strong media interest in telling mum's story. 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:39.119 Watch this space. 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:48.920 She's well aware of online trolls, faceless keyboard cowards in 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:55.800 target vulnerable people to inflict pain through sheer malice. But 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.320 every now and then she'll receive an odd message through 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:04.520 the site that will raise a red flag. Just before 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.800 ten pm on Tuesday, the twenty third of July twenty thirteen, 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:14.680 there were a couple of unusual posts there from someone 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.680 going by the name of Clark Hunter. The first reads 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.160 Natalia is alive, but you never see her again. It's 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:28.280 followed by it was not her intention to disappear, she 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:34.840 was forced. Sally has kept a screenshot of the messages. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:38.040 This guy called. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.440 Clark Hunter came onto the Facebook page and posted and said, 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.360 which I find really odd. He called a Natalia and 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:47.839 he said something along the lines of Natalia didn't want 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.960 to go missing, but you will never see her again. 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.079 It was not by choice, is what he said. And 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.240 then I questioned him and I said where, And he 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.240 came back a few times and I thankfully screenshot it 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.360 on my phone because then he deleted himself from the 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:09.240 Facebook page. So but I don't know who Clark Hunter is. No, 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.559 and I don't know if he's a troll or I 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.760 don't know if he's someone genuine. 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:15.080 They're missing out on their grandmother. 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.439 While Sally refused to accept that her mother would just 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:23.200 abandon her life, other loved ones, including her sisters, felt 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.400 that was the only conclusion they could draw. 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.800 Sally told me the police told her that Marian wasn't 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.240 a missing person. She was fifty two years old and 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.400 she had chosen to leave and that was her right 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.160 to do so. And you know, I'm happy to accept that. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.760 You know, I think she's probably met someone and settled 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.439 down and got a new partner and starting life afresh, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.960 probably got a new job somewhere. I'm sure she's probably 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:47.880 perfectly happy. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:53.480 Even Marian's ex husband, Ray Barter, believes she's still alive. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:57.400 Oh absolutely, I would not look something may have happened 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:01.120 to her. I don't know, but to be honest, if 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.320 you want my honest opinion, I think she's still aligned. 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.120 She's somewhere would not surprise me in the slightest. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.000 As for Sally, she's toyed with all sorts of possibilities. 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.080 There were so many questions that play on her mind. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.600 What happened to make her mother want to leave Australia 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:28.120 so suddenly? Why did she unexpectedly order Chris out. The evening, 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:29.839 he was helping her pack up her things. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.640 I think it was a Tuesday or a Wednesday evening. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.640 Sally was at Taife and Marian had sold the house, 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.400 and I was around there helping her pack. I specifically 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.880 remember I was sitting on the lounge room floor and 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.400 I was packing up the TV cabinet and she walked 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.520 out and said, what's the time. I told her what 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:51.959 the time was, and she said, right, just drop everything. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:54.800 I need you to go now. It was a little 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.800 bit weird, a little bit out of character, but I said, look, 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.199 I'll just finished packing this box. She went, no, just 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.480 leave it all there and go. I need you to 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.320 go right now. So I packed up and I left 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:09.320 then and got Sally from Faith. 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:16.000 Who was the man in Marion's car the Knight. Sally 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.079 spotted her at the petrol station shortly before she went overseas. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.800 Based on the fact of how quickly she quit school 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.439 and left and was not in a very normal state 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.400 that I would know my mother to be, and she 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.280 was not happy. She was very upset, she was frazzled. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:36.800 She was to tell Chris to get out. Is not 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:41.079 her personality at all, something had happened, something has happened 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.000 to make her leave. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.959 Yet police are convinced Marian has not met with our play. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.520 There is the lingering doubt, though, that some misadventure may 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.960 befallen Marian in that Sally saw her with a mysterious 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.920 man in the days leading up to her disappearance. This 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.440 was totally out of character, and we know that people 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.880 are often coerced, often by an abusive partner or a 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:08.400 third party, into doing things precisely like we're describing, changing 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.800 their identity, emptying their accounts. Marian is a collector of 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.640 antiques and artworks. We don't know where they've gone. Does 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.080 anything lead you to the conclusion that possibly she may 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:18.240 be a victim of foul play. 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.640 I haven't been able to come up with anything at 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.800 all of my investigation that would suggest that she was 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:23.920 a victim of foul play. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.400 What would you need to go down that avenue of inquiry, 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.360 What sorts of evidence, what sorts of things would you 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:29.520 need to come across. 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.520 Look, it's hard to say because everything is different, but 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.280 if there was something there, then it certainly would be 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.840 something that I would follow up. But there's been nothing 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:39.679 to suggest that or all. 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.559 Without proof that Marian is dead and without proof that 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:48.199 she is alive, Sally's life remains in limbo. Officially, she 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:52.480 can't even finalize her mother's estate. No one can. Sally 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.880 is the sole executor of Marian's will and air to 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:56.560 her estate. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.880 My last will and Testament dated twenty fourth of October 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:01.600 at nineteen ninety one. 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.400 After the breakdown of her marriage to Ray Barter, Marian 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.679 left everything to her two children, Sally and Owen. 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.280 I have given my daughter Salliem a fun Wee Brown, 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:15.240 substantially more than my son, Owen Clifford Brown. The reason 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.079 I've done this is because my son, Owen Clifford Brown 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.880 resides with his father, and I feel that in the 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:24.520 event of the children's father's death, Owen will be adequately 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:26.760 provided for in his father's will. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.800 But with Owen now deceased as well, Sally is entitled 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:35.080 to everything. However, she's resigned to the fact that her 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.000 mother's final wishes may never be realized. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.920 In episode six, we went back to Byron Bay with Sally. 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.120 This was where much of the money was drained from 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.400 Marion's account on a daily basis in the weeks after 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.960 her passport returned to Australia in nineteen ninety seven. Here's 0:13:54.040 --> 0:14:00.199 what happened in that episode. Today, our first stop is 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.520 the bank, so let's just take a walk down here. Actually, 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.160 I can see the common walk back up, Sal, we'll 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:07.760 go through this way. I see right here, we're outside 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.840 the Commonwalk bank. Yep. Whether withdrawals made here physically or electronically. 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:14.040 So someone came in here, didn't they? 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:15.880 Yeah, they did. I'm led to believe that that's what 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:16.480 was happening. 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.600 Five thousand dollars was taken from Marion's account every day 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.680 for more than three weeks in September nineteen ninety seven. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.400 It is actually a different bank if it used to 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:25.920 be up there. 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:26.640 Oh I did it. 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.800 Yeah, So it's actually because it was a flat yea. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.880 So when you walked in, the counter was right there 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:31.720 in front of them. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.760 Records suggest that there wasn't any CCTV at the time, 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:40.800 but Sally's not so sure. So someone came here and 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.720 made a number of withdrawals, and yet they didn't have 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.520 any CCTV footagejohb. They didn't have any camera footage on obs. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.400 Well, they wouldn't give me any CCTV footage when I 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.840 came and asked them. I kind of walked in with 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.240 her photo and told them that I'd found out that 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.320 she had withdrawals coming out of this account this bank 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:03.120 here Iron Bay. And he kind of just took the 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.600 photo out of my hand and shook it and said, oh, 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.560 that rings a bell and walked off into his manager's office, 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.800 closed the door behind him, and came back out, took 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:15.000 a photo copy of the photo and then said to me, 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:16.720 what would you like me to say to her if 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.120 I see her? Which I found was a very odd scenario. 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.280 I'd just walked these streets, and I'd gone to the 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.520 newsagents and gone to the pharmacy and wool worse and 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.320 showing her photo around, and no one had had anything 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:28.600 to say. 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:29.680 No one knew who she was. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.160 Or what was going on. So could it be that 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:35.800 he recognized her possibly possibly or someone that looked like her, 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.760 or that it was an odd thing to have happened. 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:42.040 I mean, Byron Bay, the locals know the locals, and 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.560 you know, if someone's coming in every day for three 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.480 and a half weeks with drawing the same amount of money, 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.880 that would flag something to me is not quite right? 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.720 Do you think, Marian was walking these streets twenty two 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.000 years ago, walking through here into this bank, making withdrawals 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:57.800 out of her own account. Do you think she was 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.640 the one doing Itally don't know. 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.440 I really honestly don't know. Yes, she could have been, 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:09.040 but at the same time, it seems very odd to me. 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.560 And this is always what's resonated with me the whole 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.040 journey is that if it was her doing it, why 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:15.640 wouldn't you just. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:16.680 Do it in one lump sum? 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.520 And why would you bother coming to the bank. That's 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.400 a big effort to go to the bank every day 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.840 for three and a half weeks, and five thousand dollars 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.720 is the maximum you can take out. So if it 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.960 was her, why wouldn't she just electronically transfer it or 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.240 you know, come in and do a transfer and a 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:35.680 lum sum to a different account. 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.080 So I question whether. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:42.520 Someone was forcing her to remove her money, And that's 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:43.320 the problem for me. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.680 Is it possible that looking at it from the bank's perspective, 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.800 they've got a duty of care, and that is if 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.640 he or the manager recognized that woman as the person 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:56.080 who'd made the withdrawals, and they maybe shouldn't be sharing 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.080 that even with a woman who claims to be her daughter. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:16:58.640 Yeah. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.880 Sure, it was just an interesting way that he went 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:04.960 about it, like to shut the door behind him as 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.280 he walked into his manager's office, and to take a photo, 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.240 like a photocopy of the photo. That was odd to me, 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:10.960 odd behavior. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.159 Ra, No, we can't share that information. I'll see if 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:14.800 we can help you. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.320 And if it would be normally, if it was just 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.200 a flat out I can't tell you that would have 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:20.800 been what it would be. 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:22.399 But it was more than that, wasn't it more than that? 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.040 Like there was something dodgy. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:32.080 On that day in October nineteen ninety seven, when Sally 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:37.800 canvassed the streets, no one recognized Marian's photo she detected, 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.399 perhaps a flicker of recognition from the bank teller, but 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:47.159 not from any other person. Admittedly, there are a lot 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.879 of tourists at Byron and itinerants, so there's a regular 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:57.200 passing parade of new faces. But surely a local or 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.560 someone who worked in the shops and cafes at that 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.800 time could recall seeing or speaking to a middle aged 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.960 woman who was in town every single day for three 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:12.760 and a half weeks. Sally was in Byron a matter 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.240 of weeks after the last withdrawals from Marion's account were made, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.720 so people's memories would have been fairly fresh. But again, 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:26.880 there are so many possibilities. Maybe Marian only ever went 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.359 to the bank and left straight away, avoiding other people 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:35.240 and places for fear of being seen. Perhaps she was 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.600 in disguise, or perhaps someone else was going to the 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:44.280 bank on her behalf. About five hundred meters from the 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:48.399 beach is the Byron Bay Police Station. Detective Gary Sheen, 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:53.040 the investigator on Marion's case, works there. We go to 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:53.520 see him. 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:58.680 Hello, how are you. I'm good, Thank you. 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.639 They make small talk before she and Gary finally diving 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.000 to the subject that forced their lives to cross more 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:07.080 than a decade ago. 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:12.159 Oh, I'm just thinking, I don't know. Like Gary and 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:14.159 I have had plenty of conversations about this, haven't we. 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:18.160 We've tossed over every possible scenario. And I think she's 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.960 met with foul play. I think something has happened at 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:26.480 TSS which sparked her to go into a frenzy of 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:31.639 changing her name and going overseas and coming back. But 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:33.719 why the money was stripped out of her bank account 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:37.640 in such a unique fashion, and it's such a random thing. 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:39.560 To take out five thousand dollars out of a bank 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.680 account every day for three and a half weeks, That 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.320 to me isn't a flagged thing by the banks. And 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.320 to change your name to such a random name like 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.920 Florabella Ramkeel, Like if you want to go missing, you'd 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:57.960 be Jane Brown, you wouldn't be Florabella. That's a really 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.760 unique and unusual name for somebody who wants to disappear 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:03.159 the face of the planet. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:04.640 The name. 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.040 I thought that was quite flamboyant, very weird. 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:10.639 Like I just don't like it's just not the character 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:12.240 of my mum either, Like I just don't know that 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.119 she would be that person. So I don't know. I 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:21.320 think I think something definitely went wrong, not to say 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.960 that she didn't meet somebody or you know, do something 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.240 and then it went pear shaped or if something happened, 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:31.480 Like I'm still questioning who the guy was in the car. 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.720 That's a real mystery at the time. I've been thinking about. 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.880 Look too, and what I have found out since I've 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.680 spoken to you last is that And these are just 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:45.560 from parents at TSS having enlightened me to their story 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.959 that she was seeing one of the dads in her 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:52.360 class in nineteen ninety seven, and he was a single dad, 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:54.560 and all they can tell me was that he was 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.480 a pilot. I spoke to her teacher's aide and she 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:59.760 said to me that when the little boy would arrive 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.720 at school, mum would run out to go and see 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.120 the dad in the car, and sometimes she'd be out 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:10.040 there for thirty forty minutes talking to him. And Barbara, 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:11.800 who was an assistant, kind of got a little bit 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:13.920 upset about that because she was like, oh, she left 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.159 me to deal with the boys while she's out there 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:17.760 talking to the guy, like you know. It was a 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:22.000 bit of that kind of tone. And anyway, apparently mum 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.720 used to babysit the little boy to help the dad out. 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:27.920 And the little boy came into class one day and 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.239 said to my mum, oh, see that lady over there. 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.560 My dad's going to marry her. And my mum collapsed 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.480 and had a meltdown and ran out of the classroom. 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.000 And Barbara said to me, she said, I felt like 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.560 she had a breakdown at that point. And that's been 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:45.840 really interesting for me because I didn't know about a pilot. 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.800 I didn't know like I no, and I knew that 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:56.160 she was openly seeing the groundsman, the maintenance guy that's 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.640 Greg Edwards. So he's still at TSS. 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:02.879 Did I expect agree when I went up there? 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:06.320 Yeah, okay, So we went out for dinner with him. 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:08.199 So Mum was very open and honest and. 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:09.760 All above board with it. 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:11.160 Everyone knew about that relationship. 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:14.199 I was like, why why hired the pilot? But then 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:16.680 I spoke to Janice White, who's one of Mom's really 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:18.600 long term friends. Mum used to teach with her in 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:22.359 the sixties and she's friends with Barbara, So there was 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:24.760 this kind of like little connection that I found out. 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:26.879 And Jannah said to me, I knew about the pilot. 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:28.600 She told me about the pilot and. 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:30.239 She said to me, I like him. 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:31.720 I'm not sure how much he likes me. 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.840 Yeah, okay, So that was an interesting. 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.399 Conversation to have. So I've kind of questioned, is the 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:39.600 pilot the guy in the car at McDonald's. 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:41.800 That'd be something that I'd really really liked to know, 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:45.080 because I remember when you gave me your statement, you 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:49.679 talked about the fact that Mum had always pretty much 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:55.080 been in relationships and yearned to be in relationships. So 0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:57.800 to find out who that bloke was in that car 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:02.520 would be very, very interesting, and it'll probably give us 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.199 a little bit more information than what we've got now. 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:07.280 But the fact is we don't know who he is. 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:13.080 I so where I'm working on that detective She believes 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:17.080 Marian has chosen to disappear, and he's not sure he'll 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:17.960 ever find her. 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:22.000 Circumstantially, it paints a picture for me that leads me 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:25.679 to believe that Marian, in fact, has decided to estrange 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:28.600 herself from the family for whatever reason, and get on 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:30.480 with a new life. There are a lot of things 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:34.360 that Sally has told me about her mother's behaviors when 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:36.560 she was in Australia before she decided to go over 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:40.879 to England. She's also appears to have made a fairly 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:45.760 quick decision to have gone, in that she sold a house, 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.960 resigned from a job that Sally says she absolutely loved, 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.639 and then gone overseas. But prior to going I know 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.560 for a fact that she applied for this new passport 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:59.960 in a new name, and for whatever reason again decided 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:02.200 not to tell the family that she had done that, 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.560 and actually traveled overseas on that passport. 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:08.840 And yet the Threadboater has asked her she was calling, 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.440 leaving messages to make sure Sally was okay. Why would 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:14.280 someone disappear themselves from her daughter's life for good if 0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:16.800 she was still at that late stage checking in with them. 0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.000 Yeah, look, I can't answer that. I don't know. I 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:22.960 really don't know. Sally tells me that she did receive 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:25.120 a phone call from my mum. From what I understand, 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:26.919 that phone call is very close to when she came 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:29.800 back to Australia. I have no idea why she would 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:30.560 do anything like that. 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:35.840 The postcards seemingly countenancing a continuing relationship with her family. 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:38.240 Why send them if you're cutting them off again? 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.240 I can't answer that. There may be reasons, but I 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:42.399 just don't know the answers to that. 0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:46.400 Now, the Luxembourg ball connection. There was a connection with Luxembourg, 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:46.840 wasn't there. 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:50.520 There was a suggestion on the incoming passenger card. Well, 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:52.600 it wasn't a suggestion. It was indicated on the incoming 0:24:52.600 --> 0:25:00.720 passenger card that Marion or Florabella had arrived in Brisbane 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:04.359 via Hong Kong and was residing in Luxembourg. There was 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:06.960 also an indication that she was only going to stay 0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:09.359 in Australia for a very short period of time days 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:14.159 or weeks days. But after having made some more inquiries 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:19.080 with the Department of Immigration, those incoming passenger cards aren't 0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:22.160 checked and people aren't held accountable for what they write 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.680 on them, So it would be very very easy to 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:26.920 write anything that you wanted on the card and it 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:30.399 would never ever be picked up again. Through what I 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:33.280 had established with my other inquiries, it led me to 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:37.840 believe that it was a very good chance that Florabella 0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:41.680 had written what she did on the incoming passenger card 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:46.080 to try and cover up the fact that she was 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:54.360 coming back to Australia. Look, I don't know what goes 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:57.720 through people's minds when they make decisions such as these, 0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:02.280 that is, to start a new life for any reason 0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:07.200 that they decide. If she didn't want to be located, 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:11.320 I think it would be a reasonable thing for someone 0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:16.600 in that mind frame to do, but to the average 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:20.159 punter it would seem quite unusual. I mean, you have 0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:23.840 to remember that prior to going to England again, she 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:28.399 applied for a passport with a complete name change, didn't 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:32.879 tell anybody travel overseas as if nothing had happened in 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.040 regards to that. If you look at it in the 0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.000 perspective of a person who had gone to all that 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:39.840 length of trouble to do that before she left, it 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.840 just seems to be a step in the same direction and. 0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:45.760 Also to play devil's advocate to find out whether or 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.480 not she did come under someone's spell or fall to 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:49.760 some sort of misadventure. Yeah. 0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:52.000 Look, you spoke before about the fact that Sally had 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.760 said she'd seen her mother with a gentleman. To my mind, 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:59.400 that could be one way or the other. But after again, 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:03.240 having seen what I've seen and seen what I've found 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:06.160 through my investigation, it tends to sit on the timeline 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:11.040 of her being involved with a male person and quite 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:15.440 potentially setting up a new life for herself that didn't 0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:20.400 involve her old Whilst it's only circumstantial, it does fit 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:26.920 that timeline of how things occurred and some of the 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:31.800 levels of secrecy that she went to to try and 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:33.840 do some of the things that she actually did either 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.439 passport and return to Australia without telling anybody. 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:40.320 Detective she says, by now Marian could have a fully 0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:44.880 established new identity and life and may feel completely detached 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:47.080 from the person she was twenty two years ago. 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:52.800 In a statement, New South Wales Police said proper procedure was. 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:59.240 Followed pajeteen of the NSWPF Missing Persons Standard Operating Procedures 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.200 officers to seek approval from the manager of the Missing 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:06.920 Persons Unit to withdraw a case from the register in 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:12.240 extraordinary circumstances. This was done based on the evidence available 0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:16.720 to investigators at the time, a decision authorized and approved 0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:20.720 by Gary's superiors as per the normal chain of command. 0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:25.760 In a bit to try to find out what may 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:29.159 have been going on in Marion's life, we interviewed a 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:33.480 forensic psychologist, the head of Federal Police Missing Persons Unit, 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:37.960 and an expert in colts. By the time episode seven 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.320 was released, we discovered that the New South Wales Police 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.800 Force Missing Persons Unit was to be reviewed due to 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:49.880 underresourcing and poor leadership. In this episode, we explored the 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:53.400 many leads and messages we'd received from former students and 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:58.520 staff at the Southport School, Marion's last known workplace. We 0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:02.880 discovered some disturb being historical allegations about what may have 0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:06.720 been going on behind closed doors, some of it before 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:11.240 Marian's time there. We're not going to revisit those allegations, 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.800 as we're not convinced they had anything to do with 0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:17.920 Marian's disappearance, although it can be said there were likely 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:22.400 some personality conflicts and Marian no longer seemed happy at work, 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.320 which may have been the impetus for her to suddenly 0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:29.240 quit without warning. We also looked at the possibility that 0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:33.040 Marian may perhaps be a witness in protection for something 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.920 she may have discovered, but it was just a theory 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.560 we explored, which delivered nothing solid. 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.480 In Episode eight, we headed back to northern New South 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:47.080 Wales to investigate information we'd received from a number of 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:50.200 people that Marian may be part of a cult there. 0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:54.240 Despite our efforts, we drew a blank. By this stage, 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:58.000 we were also trying to access Marian's passport and the 0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:01.280 documents she filled in to chain her name to Flora 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:05.760 Bella Italia Marion Remachel, and we were making inquiries about 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:09.520 passenger lists for the flights Marion took to and from 0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.640 the United Kingdom, as well as looking at the timing 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:16.479 of her final phone call to Sally from Tunbridge Wells 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:21.000 and her return flight to Australia. We discovered that all 0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:24.880 bank withdrawal slips possibly used by Marian and the paper 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:28.920 records of storage companies would most likely have been destroyed 0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.240 given the passage of time. And we began our connection 0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:36.240 with our super slutes, the first being Christina in the 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:37.160 United Kingdom. 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.000 And I'm kind of like her stove with a bone, 0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:42.000 and I won't let it go. I just keep going 0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:44.600 until I find something. So yeah, I do have an 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.400 interest in looking into the finer details. 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.200 Christina tracked down all of the flight numbers for airlines 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.480 that travel from Japan to London on June twenty seventh, 0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:58.800 twenty eighth, and twenty ninth. In nineteen ninety seven, Marion 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.320 had a stopover in Japan and on her way to England. 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:05.240 She left Australia on June twenty sixth and her letter, 0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:09.040 written on paper with the Japanese hotel logo, was posted 0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:13.480 at Tunbridge Wells in the UK on June the thirtieth. Later, 0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.600 it was discovered she actually went on a different airline, 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.280 but at the time this is what we explored. All 0:31:20.400 --> 0:31:23.960 this was revealed in episode nine. Here's what else Christina 0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:25.200 was working on back then. 0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:30.640 Okay, well, I started by looking into the postcards. So 0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:34.000 on one of those postcards that Marion sent from the 0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:38.800 UK in July nineteen ninety seven. The picture on that 0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:42.920 postcard was of a little market square in this small 0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:47.680 village called Alphaston, which is in East Sussex, and that's 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:52.360 about eight kilometers north of the coast, and it's a 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:56.760 small village and it's in a picturesque setting. Apparently back 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:59.600 in nineteen ninety seven it was a busy village and 0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:04.080 there was lots happening there, not so much now. And 0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:08.440 one of the shops in the picture is Sally's Craft Center, 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.960 and this is where the postcard is purchased, because on 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:16.080 the back of the postcard it has a gold sticker 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.800 with the name of the shop, and Marian mentioned in 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:23.040 it what she'd written in the postcard that she was 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:27.360 there in Alpiston, so there's every reason to believe she 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:31.400 was there. But since found out the shop is no 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.240 longer Sally's Craft Center and it hasn't been. 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:35.120 That for some years. 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:38.760 I've managed to get the name of the lady that 0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:41.880 owned the shop and I'd like to make contact with her. 0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:47.400 Maybe someone remembers Marian coming into the shop, So I've 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.760 reached out to some other local Facebook groups in the 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:55.160 Alphiston area and the local lady there has offered to 0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:58.600 put up a poster on the noticeboard in the village 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:03.400 store and maybe get the story published in the parish magazine. 0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:08.440 So the word is getting out there that Marion was there. 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:12.960 So it's just continuing with that line of inquiry. 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:17.720 And I also believe that you've got some contacts potentially 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:19.880 in the in regard to the Orient Express. 0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:20.600 Yeah. 0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:24.160 So my husband, who has worked on the railway for 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:27.680 some years, he has a contact at the company that 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:31.320 does the booking for the Urine Express. So he's made 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:35.320 contact to them to see if they have any booking 0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.080 records or or any kind of records that go back 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:42.080 to nineteen ninety seven, and he's waiting for a reply 0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:46.320 from them. That's another line of inquiry that's continuing at 0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:50.600 the moment. So looking into Tunbridge World, because it does 0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:55.640 look like that's where Marion was staying, and that is 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.880 in the county of Kent, east of Sussex, or their 0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:02.240 next door to each other. I've been emailing hotels in 0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:05.680 Tunbridge well to see if any of them have guest 0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:10.080 records going back to nineteen ninety seven, and so much 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:13.160 time has passed, quite a few of the hotels have 0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:17.520 changed ownership or management and there aren't any records from 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.560 that far back. I am waiting to hear back from 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:25.640 a few others. It's the same case with car rental places, 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:29.640 because it seems that Marion rented a car. Usually due 0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:33.800 to data protection laws, there aren't any records from that 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:38.800 far back. So again it's the case of sharing information 0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:43.160 with the public in the hope that they recall something. 0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:47.920 And then also we know that Marion was in Tonbridge, 0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:52.680 which is actually very close to Tunbridge. Well, so Tonbridge 0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:58.680 is spelt tn whereas Tundridge starts with tun They're very 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:03.040 close to each other, only about twelve kilometers apart. But 0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:08.640 it looks like Mariam visited a castle in Tombridge, and 0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:13.760 the letter that she sent to Sally the postage stamp 0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:17.439 has the town Tombridge on the stamp, so it really 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:20.680 does look like she was there. And then that was 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.880 dated the thirtieth of June, so it looks like she 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.680 was in the Tombridge area at the end of June. 0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:30.479 And then it looks like she's made her way further south, 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:35.640 traveling around the southeast of England, further down towards the coast, 0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:41.320 which then leads to another postcard that she sent from Brighton, 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:46.920 So she visited a shop there also another little sucked 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:51.399 out of the way obscure shots and again that shop 0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:54.879 is no longer there unfortunately. The owner of that shop 0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:58.319 is retired and moved to France around two thousand and two. 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:01.160 That may be a bit more of a challenge to 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.560 track her down. So she's bought the postcard at this 0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:08.920 shot in Brighton that that has the posted stamp of 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:11.720 the town Hastings on it, which is a bit further 0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:15.279 east of Brighton, So that's possibly another location that she 0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:20.560 was in during those first weeks of July. So Zudie 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:24.120 Cooper sadly mentioned that Marian became friends with a teacher 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:28.719 called Sudie Cooper who went to TSS School on an 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:33.040 exchange but themes from the UK. Mary had mentioned to 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.080 her friend and that it was good that she now 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.920 had a contact in the UK if she should decide 0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:42.640 to stay or work there, As sadly pointed out, that 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:44.759 would be a strange thing to mention if you were 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:49.400 planning on completely disappearing. So I'm looking into teachers here 0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:52.640 in the UK with that name, and has started sending 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:56.160 a few emails I know that Sally was going to 0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.800 look into the archives at Tess to see if said 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.600 any information on her, But be really good if she 0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:06.000 could be tracked down, because she could hold some really 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:10.720 important information. Maybe her full name was Susanne or Susan, 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.239 so I'd really like to narrow that down. But I 0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:16.520 think she would be a really important person to find. 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.520 That leads me on to the Steine School because he 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.600 had mentioned that Marion may well have gone to the 0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:28.239 UK because of her interest in those schools. And there 0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:29.839 are two Steiner schools. 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:30.360 Here in Sussex. 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:35.160 One in forest Row which is just south of best Instead, 0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:40.080 and that is about twenty five kilometers from Tunbridge, well 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:43.480 so not far. And the other one is in Brighton 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:48.480 on the coast, which is about about twenty eight kilometers 0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:54.120 from Alphreston, so they're close to places that Marian was visiting. 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.239 And I have email both of those schools and after 0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:01.520 if there's any record of Marion's visiting or making inquiries 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.960 into teaching there. Both of the schools have responded and 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:09.279 said they've passed the information onto current staff and even 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:12.240 some ex members of staff who were there in nineteen 0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:17.399 ninety seven. So I'm just waiting for some feedback from them, 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:21.280 and I've now started to email other sin of schools 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.880 as well. Just the small point that Bally mentioned to 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:29.239 me this week was that Marian had said I think 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:31.600 in one of her letters that she had put some 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:37.719 of her luggage into left luggage Heathrow before hiring the 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:41.279 car and having more freedom to travel around. So I 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:45.280 think she had quite a bit of luggage and getting 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.120 rid of that for a while enabled her some more freedom. 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.960 I'm just wondering if that luggage was ever picked up 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.040 on me. I don't know if you would be able 0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:57.600 to find out that information now after so long that 0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:59.759 it was just the thought that I had, I thought, 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:01.279 did she ever pick it up? 0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:02.640 Good thought? 0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.680 Now there is that possibility that her identity was stolen 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:08.200 and it was somebody else that came back in and 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.440 they wouldn't have known about that luggage if that was 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:14.120 the case. Absolutely, So all right, No, that's wonderful, Christia. 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:16.759 Please keep in touch, so absolutely, and I'll just I'll 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:20.439 keep digging and I'll keep notes of everything that I'm 0:39:20.840 --> 0:39:24.080 finding the information not as jasin, so whatever. 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:30.240 I can do, And true to her word, Christina keeps 0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:35.080 on chasing down any query or lead she has. In 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.520 recent days, she's been in touch with British Telecom the 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:43.680 BT Archives manager, asking about whether records still exist for 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.280 a payphone in Tunbridge Wells that may have been used 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:51.160 by Marion Barter on August the Fir nineteen ninety seven 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:53.200 to call her daughter in Australia. 0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:58.200 Dear Christina, I'm afraid payphone call records are not kept 0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:00.480 for any great length of time. I believe it's in 0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.600 the order of weeks or months, and certainly not years. 0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:05.880 I can state definitively that there are no such records 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:09.439 from nineteen ninety seven in existence. Sorry, the brand able 0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:13.160 to help, best regards, James Elda Archives manager. 0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:17.680 A dead end this time, but you never know until 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:23.240 you try. In episode nine, we also heard from Sally's husband, 0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:24.480 Chris Leyden. 0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:27.640 She was obviously a very passionate woman about the job 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:30.520 that she did teaching. She was always very polite, She 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:33.080 was always very accommodating of her guests in her home. 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:36.640 She was someone who came across as a caring individual. 0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:38.200 What do you think happened to her? 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:42.560 I don't speculate for me. You've got to base everything 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:45.919 on fact. The problem is that there's not a great 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:52.000 deal of facts. Even the police report is poor at best, 0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.680 to be honest, from what I've seen of it. Yea 0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:56.880 a five year old child with a box of crayons 0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:58.920 could probably keep a more accurate report. 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.720 Does it sometimes make you angry that Marian going missing 0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.320 has been such a source of sadness for Sally? 0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:07.239 Yes? 0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:07.520 And no. 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:12.120 There's not so much anger because until there's factual evidence 0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:15.759 around what's actually happened to Marian, it would be silly 0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:19.719 to bring an emotion like anger in. It's frustrating that 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:26.400 there's an unsolved missing person's case that really the I 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.239 guess the police services in general don't really want to 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:32.279 know about. Yeah, there's a lot of speculation, there's a 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:37.960 lot of assumption, and she doesn't fit specifically into one 0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.960 of their boxes on a report, so they leave her 0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:45.120 as found. It's ridiculous because she's not found. 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:49.080 So perhaps if authorities had handled this better, then the 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.839 room for speculation wouldn't have been as much. 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:55.359 I agree. I think if they are handled it better 0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:59.080 right from the start, instead of brushing it aside and 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:04.760 making assumptions that weren't based on fact, perhaps she wouldn't 0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:06.120 be in this situation we are now. 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:12.480 You may recall Chris and Sally saw Marion with a 0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:16.440 stranger at a Gold Coast service station near a McDonald's restaurant, 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:20.160 not long before she left to go overseas. This is 0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:23.600 his memory of that evening. Sally was at a class 0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:26.319 at Taife and Chris was at Marion's home. 0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:30.880 So Sally mentioned that she turned on you one day 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.360 when you were helping her pack, not long before she 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:36.239 went overseas. Can you tell us about that? 0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:40.560 I think turned on's probably a bit over dramatic, but 0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:44.200 I was round there. I think it was a Tuesday 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:48.400 or a Wednesday evening. Sally was at Taife and Marian 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:51.399 had sold the house, and I was round there helping 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:56.239 her pack. I specifically remember I was sitting on the 0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:58.839 lounge room floor and I was packing up the TV 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:02.960 cabinet and she walked out and said, what's the time. 0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:05.279 I told her what the time was, and she said, right, 0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:07.680 just drop everything. I need you to go now. It 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:09.600 was a little bit weird, a little bit out of character, 0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:12.280 but I said, look, I've just finished packing this box. 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:15.400 She went, no, just leave it all there and go. 0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:18.400 I need you to go right now. So I packed 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.680 up and I left, went and got Sally from Taithe. 0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:24.719 After that, I understand that you and Sally then went 0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.239 to McDonald's. Do you have something to eat? 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:30.640 Yes, we did. I picked Sally up from Taithe. It 0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.680 was quite late, so a bit hungry. We just thought 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:36.960 we'd drop in there to bundle road. Actually it was 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:41.200 the service station attached to the McDonald's. We dropped in there, 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:45.080 and yeah, at the time I saw marry him pull 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.279 up at the service station to obviously fill a car 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.800 with fuel. I said to Sally, there's your mother. Sally 0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:53.800 sort of got her attention, and she jumped back in 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:58.759 the car and sped away, really the wrong way through 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.640 the drive through. Fun actually for her, But yeah, there 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:04.040 was a there was somebody in the car with her 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:09.080 who looked to be male and quite a tall gentleman 0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:09.480 at that. 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:13.200 Do you remember any other anything else distinctive about him 0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:13.520 at all? 0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:16.000 No, I mean not really. I mean you're looking out 0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:20.359 a window into a lit service station fore court into 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.520 a dark car, you don't. You don't really get detail 0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:26.040 of who that might have been. The silhouette of him 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:28.640 through the window. He was obviously a big. 0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:32.600 Person, and she moved quickly, did she without him actually 0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:33.839 putting petrol into the car? 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:35.279 And that's my recollection is. 0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:44.239 We're still trying to find out who that mysterious tall 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:49.360 man was. Marian brushed aside Sally's questions in the days 0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:53.840 after the incident. Perhaps it was just an acquaintance taking 0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:57.000 her out for a drink, though why the need for 0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:04.760 such secrecy. Marian said she met him at the local 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:10.440 arts center. That may or may not have been true. However, 0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:13.799 it would be interesting to hear from someone who worked 0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:16.279 at the Gold Coast Art Centre in nineteen ninety seven 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:23.480 and was familiar with people who regularly visited. It seems 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:27.920 unlikely that the mysterious man was Greg Edwards, the groundsman 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:31.280 from TSS, whom Marian had been out with a few times, 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:35.440 because he wasn't a secret. Sally had met him and 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:39.200 would likely have recognized him. But could it have been 0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:45.240 someone else Marian worked with. Could it have been the father, uncle, 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:49.280 or grandfather of one of her students, Perhaps the pilot, 0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:52.880 one of Marian's former colleagues, remembers the one that Marian 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:57.080 had apparently been seeing. Sally has managed to get her 0:45:57.200 --> 0:46:00.800 hands on some of Marian's class lists from TSN and 0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:06.360 we are trying to track down that pilot, or. 0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:10.759 Was the mysterious stranger, someone who'd secretly swept Marian off 0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:15.040 her feet, lavished her with attention and affection, promised to 0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:18.400 help her escape the turmoil of her life, take her 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:23.440 on an adventure and establish a whole new life. Maybe 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:27.200 that person promised her the world and then took her 0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:33.120 world away from her. Whatever the case, if there's someone 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:36.640 out there who has any information about that mysterious tall 0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:38.960 man in the car, we'd love to hear from you. 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:46.200 In episode nine, we reported that Sally had applied via 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.719 email to the New South Wales Coroner seeking an inquest 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:50.399 for her mother. 0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:53.360 Good afternoon, Coroner. My name is Sally Laden and I 0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:56.120 am writing to you today applying for a coronial inquest 0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.279 in relation to my mother, Marian Barter, who has now 0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:01.479 been missing with trace for twenty two years. 0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:05.000 Sally goes on to detail the particulars of the case, 0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:10.560 Marian's unhappiness at TSS, the dates of her resignation, her 0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:14.880 departure for England, the postcard sent home, the missing money, 0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:16.800 and the name change. 0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:19.920 I've also created a timeline of events to assist us 0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.440 since she went missing in nineteen ninety seven and have 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:23.840 attached this for your perusal. 0:47:24.239 --> 0:47:28.640 She expresses disappointment with New South Wales Police and advisors 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:30.680 of the documents she can provide. 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:33.400 I am happy to provide further information you require in 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:35.520 order to proceed with the inquest. 0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:38.759 Before explaining her greatest fear think that. 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.160 The events leading up to her disappearance were so out 0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:43.839 of character, and the fact that absolutely no one can 0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:46.800 find my mum, not the New South Wales Police Force 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:50.880 AFP nor the Salvation Army Family Tracing Service can find her. 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:54.879 I'm devastatingly concerned that she may have met with foul play. 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:57.480 Sally then signs off with the plea. 0:47:57.680 --> 0:47:59.719 If you could please acknowledge receipt of this email and 0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:01.920 advance how long I can expect to hear back from 0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:04.359 you with an answer, thanking you in anticipation. 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:10.880 Another thing we've determined is that other than Flora Bella Remichel, 0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:13.840 there is no record of a further name change for 0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:18.160 Marian through births, deaths and marriages. That doesn't mean she 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:22.080 hasn't assumed another identity, It just means she hasn't done 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:26.280 so officially. Also, when her passport expired in two thousand 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:30.040 and seven. It has never been reissued in any name. 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:40.920 I'm seventeen now, and there's another generation coming to understand 0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:46.520 the weight that Sally has shouldered for years. Her daughter Ella, 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:52.759 Ella is the oldest of Sally's children. She's never known 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:54.719 a life with Marion in it. 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.640 For someone that I've never met, she has had quite 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:00.279 a big impact on my life, but I like to 0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:03.560 think of it as a good one, because you know, 0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:08.200 she obviously isn't here, and she isn't around, and my 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:11.640 uncle isn't around, and my grandfather lives in the Blue Mountains. 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:15.160 My mom doesn't really have a lot of family outside 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:19.120 of our immediate family right here to call on or 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:21.920 to ask for help or to go and see or 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.600 to have around. So my mom and I are very 0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.400 very close as a result of that, which is really nice. 0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:31.279 I feel like I can tell her everything, which I 0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:33.359 know a lot of people don't feel like they can 0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:36.239 tell their parents everything, especially when they're my age. So 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:39.080 I think it's really nice that I do have that 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:42.759 relationship with her, and I think, if anything, at least, 0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:44.960 that's one good thing that's come out of this whole 0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:49.040 scenario is that, Yeah, it's definitely brought my mom and 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:51.520 I and even our entire family a lot closer than 0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:52.839 most families are. 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:54.799 I would say, yeah, like. 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:59.279 Her mom, Ella belize, Marion has met with thou play I. 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.960 Do you think that you know someone's manipulated her or 0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:08.160 taken advantage of her, or something along the lines of 0:50:08.280 --> 0:50:10.920 that kind of scenario, And that's what's happened to her 0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:11.560 for sure. 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:16.759 Here that concludes the third of our catch up episodes. 0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:20.840 Next time the piece of information that really led to 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:22.759 some major breakthroughs in the case. 0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:33.719 If you knew Marian or have any information about her 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:36.799 or her whereabouts, we'd love to hear from you. 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