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Speaker 2: It's will and wouldy.

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Speaker 3: I need to talk to you about something that we

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Speaker 3: The news about it today as well, And it's the

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Speaker 3: difference between taking a mental health day sick day versus

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Speaker 3: I pulled out of the show very late. But I

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Speaker 3: wasn't actually sick. I was depressed, and ordinarily I think

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Speaker 2: Day because I was really depressed. That a shocker.

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Speaker 3: And what I found really interesting about is I haven't

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Speaker 3: And what I found really hard was that I couldn't

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Speaker 3: hard to say, like, hey, guys, I'm actually depressed and

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Speaker 3: I should probably go home.

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Speaker 4: Even with you and me, we've had like conversations about

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Speaker 4: it and talk about how we're open with each other.

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Speaker 4: But it was funny when you were in the throes

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Speaker 4: saying you're okay, and you actually said at the start, no, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And well, but I've told you that before, Like I've

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Speaker 2: But it was so fascinating to me that whilst I

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Speaker 3: I'm very happy to talk about it. But when I

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Speaker 3: even to you. And that's the great paradox of mental

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Speaker 3: health issues in general, is that it's totally agreed upon

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Speaker 3: But talking's the hardest thing to do. That's why it's.

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Speaker 2: Such an issue. You can't share what you're going through.

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Speaker 3: And I've been thinking about this a lot, and I

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Speaker 2: Really know whether or not it will.

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Speaker 3: And the idea is based on the fact that I

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Speaker 3: you know, we all say, you know, are you okay?

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Speaker 3: To spreads exactly the same message, But it's really hard.

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Speaker 3: and you're not a wizard. You can't just look at

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Speaker 4: Yes, I do.

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Speaker 3: So I've had a good think about this, and I've

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Speaker 3: just realized they've taken a little while to set that up.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you my idea up next.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what I wouldn't mind, just because I need a

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind hearing from you honestly, whether or not

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Speaker 3: Just given that I was depressed on Friday, I had

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Speaker 3: I know that sounds mad, but I've had an idea

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Speaker 3: I want to I think I've got this idea to

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Speaker 3: create an app, and I want to call the app

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Speaker 3: check in okay, And basically you download the app right

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Speaker 2: We'll charge of, you know, fifty bucksports. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: So you download the app and then the app turns

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Speaker 2: So just one to ten, how would you rate yourself today? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just one question, just one to ten. How you feeling?

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Speaker 5: There?

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Speaker 3: Really easy because let me tell you, if when you're

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Speaker 3: So let's say you go, I'm a two. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: To tell that you are a two?

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Speaker 3: And then it just accesses your phone book on your

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Speaker 4: So on Friday, can I ask the Friday this go

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Speaker 3: Yes, So before you go into this, they then get

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Speaker 3: Please can you ask me about this? Or Hey, I'm

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Speaker 3: then that's servicing the person who's going through the mentalanesce,

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Speaker 3: because then you're like relief. I've told you guys how

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Speaker 2: And it's also.

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Speaker 3: Relieving for the purpose people that you do work with

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Speaker 3: this going ah, cool, good to know.

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Speaker 3: I know that I need to tread delicately around you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes lot of sense. I'll ask you my

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Speaker 4: thirty one or six y five. Hey, jess you've just

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Speaker 4: heard Will's idea there. Can you tell us a bit

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Speaker 4: about yourself? You're going through some mental health stuff?

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Speaker 1: probably since I've been in Since you speaks really yeah,

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Speaker 2: If you could let other.

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Speaker 1: I am actually going to be mad if you don't

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Speaker 3: But it's so hard to initiate thea. So if we

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Speaker 4: While I've got just I'm sorry, I'm talking business. I

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Speaker 2: Do we want to do?

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Speaker 4: We want to go to traffic and take more calls

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to get probed well obviously, like audibly about

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Speaker 3: you DMS on Will and Woody Instagram face We you've

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Speaker 3: heard that and you go, that's pretty basic, Will, because

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Speaker 3: I've got no idea about this sort of stuff, but

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Speaker 3: it could be something Instagram, Facebook, please DMS. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: if you're you're going through this sort of stuff and

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Speaker 3: you wouldn't mind giving you a point of view on it,

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Speaker 3: I'd love.

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Speaker 2: To hear from your woods.

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Speaker 3: I was depressed on Friday. People very surprised that I'm

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Speaker 4: It's great, Souff. You've got Alaza here, Eliza, what are

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, it'd be a really great idea

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Speaker 3: There are loads coming through on thirty one and sixty five,

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Speaker 3: Cool, all right, Brook, I'm so happy, Like as well.

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Speaker 3: Thank you to everybody who's called up with that amazing stuff.

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Speaker 3: Didn't expect that response. But Woods, let's float it on

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Speaker 3: the market.

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Speaker 4: I've already floated it, mate, there's a number of invested

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Speaker 4: I've spoken to Mark Boris, I've texted Boris Boris is

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Speaker 2: He's in for a million. No, no, no, that's actually

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Speaker 3: The reality is that I actually do want to make

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Speaker 3: And if you know how to make apps and you're

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Speaker 3: Will and Woody. Have you got some skills there? You

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Speaker 3: up Instagram, Facebook, Will and Woody, or if you're at

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Speaker 2: So agreed. Hit us up, We're gonna get out of here. Hello, Boris,

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Speaker 2: see what you're hearing.

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Speaker 5: Find us on Instagram and Facebook search Will and Woody