1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: and professional overshareer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows, 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fails. 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: Hello on the pod. Today we have comedic royalty Josh Thomas. 8 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: He's back in Australia. He's doing an Aussie tour called Let's 9 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: Tidy Up. There's going to be all the details for 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: that in the show notes. But what a celebrated career 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: Josh has had today two TV shows in which he's 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: the creator, writer, director and star of, one called Please 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: Like Me and the other called Everything's Going to Be Okay. 14 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: This chat really honest and there's just no filter. But 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: also you'll get a little taste of behind the scenes 16 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: of coming up with your own concept for a show, 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: then being in boardroom meetings selling that concept. It's really 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: fascinating and Josh was so lovely handsed all of my questions. 19 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: So I hope you love this chat and look out 20 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: for where he's touring because he's touring in Australia all 21 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: the way till May. So if you can go out 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: and see, let's tidy out. Josh Thomas Holly, Welcome to 23 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: the pod. How I'm going Good? 24 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: You friends with Megan Gail? Just the quote on your book? 25 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, well she's been on this poto. She's one of 26 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: my first guests. 27 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: I think. One of the weirdest things I've ever done 28 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: on TV was about Megan Gael. 29 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: What did you do? 30 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: And the meen came up the other day, just me 31 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: talking about to Andy Lee when they were dating and 32 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: talk about your when I as a child, about how 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: models always seem like they're going to be pretty when 34 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: you see them up close they have such big hands. 35 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Is that a true thing? Do you reckon? Did it try? 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: I don't know why I said it, you know, I 37 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: just don't know what I meant. I don't know why 38 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 2: I said it happened. It's just this thing I said 39 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: on TV, and I thought She's definitely seen that weird 40 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: clip of me talking to her boyfriend about how scared 41 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: I am of models giant hands. Check. 42 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: Have you checked it in the in real life? 43 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd met her at the time. 44 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd seen her hands specifically, but 45 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: I do just think whenever she thinks of me, that's 46 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: what pops into her head. Isn't it that I said 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: that thing that time. 48 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: About its hands? 49 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: You have what thing to say? 50 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: That's You're gonna remember that, aren't you. 51 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 2: I think she won't, but maybe she hasn't. Maybe maybe 52 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: people are always talking about that begans. 53 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: I did not know there was a correlation between models 54 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: and big hands. I knew there was with actors being 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: short like Brad Peyton stuff, much shorter than we thought. 56 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: They're just very big, like models are tall, and that's 57 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: what we like about them. And you see them walk 58 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: down the cow walk and you think they look like 59 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: these beautiful sort of like I don't know, like Gazelle's 60 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: or something. But then when they're when they're out close, 61 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: it's just a bit much. I was just like, this 62 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: is a bit of an extreme way to be, but 63 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to start doing it again. To meet. 64 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: Next cross paths you're going to I'm sure you will. 65 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it was fifteen years ago, but it's one 66 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 2: of these things that you know, these things that you 67 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: just pop into your mind every so often you feel 68 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: a bit cringe about it. Yeah, you sink, why did 69 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: I say that TV to meeting Geels? 70 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: But she's quite funny, so I feel like she would 71 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: have actually probably appreciated the joke. 72 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: Well, not that it was a joke they met her, 73 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: since I don't know if it was a joke either, 74 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. 75 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: Well, thanks for sharing your AVO with me. 76 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: Thanks having me. 77 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: I feel so lucky. I haven't seen your show yet, 78 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: but I am going to. And you know, I'm kicking 79 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: myself because I live in Barron Bay. I could have 80 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 1: gone to the Brunswick. 81 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: Oh you've been one to the candle. 82 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: I'd cauld have done that. 83 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you know they like warm up shells. 84 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: So talk to me. Let's tidy up what like can 85 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: you give me a little taste, not even to the listener, 86 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: because I'm going to have in the show notes like 87 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: how people can get tickets and so like you obviously 88 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: stand up for you at seventeen, wasn't that Like you're big, 89 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: Like that's how you started. 90 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: And there's role comedy commedy. 91 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you won, right, I won. It's my first 92 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: gig at seventeen. 93 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild, and I do feel embarrassed that I'm 94 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: still talking about it in every interview. 95 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: Oh, I apologize. 96 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it's what happened to you and you it 97 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 2: is like it was a crazy way to start. I mean, 98 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: it's not that impressive to run roll comedy. It's an 99 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: amateur comedy competition. You're like the funniest least funny percent, 100 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. 101 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: It's like not that, But at seventeen, that's got to 102 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: be like a pretty good vote of confidence. 103 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was really good for me as 104 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: far as like believing in myself, which is important. 105 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, time, because you're brezy, You're a brisy kiddo. Yeah, 106 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: like to then now look at you, like you have 107 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: achieved so much in quite a short period of time. 108 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: Considering I'm from Brisbane as the subtext, are. 109 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: You not mean for that to come across that way? 110 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: But do you know what I mean? 111 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: Like you have Literally you're like you've lived the last 112 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: six or so years in Los Angeles, which it sounds 113 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: like I'm loving and you're not loving as much nowadays. 114 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 2: I'm going to leave. 115 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've done your time. 116 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 2: We're not a culture match me and Ellie. Yeah, you know, 117 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 2: I think kind of like d really extreme honesty. They 118 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: love to lie, like they'll just lie to your face 119 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: all the time. And and I don't know, I don't 120 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: want to get bolltox, you know. And it feels like 121 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: the most obvious thing to say about Eli, but I 122 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: do feel like the bonetox is like, actually the amount 123 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 2: of like botox and filler that they get is actually 124 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 2: exactly representative of how it is going to be to 125 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: live there. 126 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: Got it's been trigger happy. 127 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: It's just a bit shallow and not that like and 128 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: sort of hiding and like so obsessed with how they appear. 129 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 2: But it also goes into the conversations everyone's thinking about 130 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 2: their like five year plan. You know, if you're at 131 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: a party and everyone seeing about their five year plan. 132 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to have a nice day, yeah, And 133 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: in Australia, everyone's just trying to have a nice fun party, right, 134 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: nobody's working, y, But at all these parties, they're all 135 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 2: kind of working and it's creepy and they're not very funny. 136 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: Okay, so this is what here's the thing. Though, You've 137 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: had such success with two shows over there, Yeah, like, 138 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: so that means that you're and you've this is what 139 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm so excited about that you've done, Like not only 140 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: you've gone from stand up, but you've then essentially written created. 141 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: I think you've directed some. 142 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: Of us like me to drugs some smoke, please directors, 143 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: and everything's going to be okay. 144 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: Okay and start yeah in both So obviously there's something 145 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: in the like Americans are responding to that, like because 146 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: I was a humans a little dryer, right, and your 147 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: whole thing is like no filter, here we go. 148 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the fact that I'm telling the truth. 149 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: Over there is such a like a novelty to them. 150 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: I think it's a shock and it gets stuff done. 151 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: Like they they you know what it's like. You go 152 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: any meeting, you go there and they're like they say, like, yeah, 153 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: we should work together. I'd love to work with you 154 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,559 Speaker 2: and all this stuff, and I don't believe in the meetings. 155 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: I'm be like, I actually don't have time right now. 156 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: I'll be like, oh, that doesn't sound good to me, 157 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: Like you know, it's in this meeting. Once and he 158 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: asked me, I wanted to write the Matchbox movie about 159 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: match box cars. Yeah, sort of this is like early 160 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: years ago. You know they're doing this that. It said 161 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: the Bobby one that was really successful. Yeah, and he 162 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: says to the Matchbox Car movie and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, 163 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. And that seems like 164 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: just how you would react. But to them, like they've 165 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: just never seen anything like that. Yeah, they've never seen 166 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: anyone walking through a me they would obviously. Yeah, I 167 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: think about it. That sounds great. Talk to my manager 168 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: and I think that because I'm like that, we just 169 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: get a lot more done than anybody else. They just 170 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: can't believe how efficient I am because we didn't spend 171 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: half the day. I like that though. I like that. 172 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: Do you know when I finally signed to one agent, 173 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: I was so overall the rejection as you know, LA 174 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: is like meeting meaning fake meetings rejection. And they said, well, 175 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: what are you here for? And I said, well, I'm 176 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: not here to fox spiders, which is a very Australian saying. 177 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: So they were like, you're what what do you mean? 178 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: And then they're all laughing when you explaining it. And 179 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: then an hour later I got the call They're like, Laula, 180 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: we're not hit of fock spiders and they're like trying 181 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: to sign me. But it was fascinating that, like that 182 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: was I was just so burnt out from rejections that 183 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: I was like, I might as well just like have 184 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: no filter. But it seems like that is what served you. 185 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it feels special to them. And I think, 186 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 2: you know, Australian, so many Australian actors do well over there, 187 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: and and it's and it's just because they're just a 188 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: bit more honesty has just been more important to them, 189 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 2: whereas the Americans love politeness even in the face of truth. Yes, 190 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: they'll choose to say the right thing, and that I 191 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: don't know, I don't it's not a good it's not 192 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: a match for me. I think it's really sweet. And 193 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 2: I learned how to do it more since I was there, 194 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 2: you know, because I am like too extreme on the 195 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: spectrum of being like you're like too honest. It's been 196 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: a lot of trouble and I did love when I 197 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 2: was there. Or sometimes you can just say like all 198 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: sounds good. You don't have to say that's so fucking stupid. 199 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: I want that. I want like, yeah, and how to 200 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: deflect and just just because I'm thinking it doesn't mean 201 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: I need to say it. So I did get like 202 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: a lot more polite over there. I think it's been 203 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: good for me. 204 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: I feel like, though, like your magic is that like 205 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: just honesty? 206 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you gotta still You've got to pick your battle, 207 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: so don't you. But I wasn't being honest out of 208 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 2: her choice. I'm autistic. I like literally didn't know how 209 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: to not do it. So I've been like working on 210 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: learning how to lie, maybe not lie, but like deflect. 211 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah that's fair. Is it true you learn 212 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: about being autistic at thirty three? 213 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? I made a show about I wanted to make 214 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: a show with autistic leads in it, and I expcted 215 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: what I like to see people. I always feel like 216 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 2: I get along with them. And then through making the show, 217 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: we found out that I was autistic. 218 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: How cold audience sort of diagnosed me yes on Twitter 219 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: or something. 220 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And we were doing the research. So the guys 221 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: we're doing the research, it was sort of like they 222 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: would like mention they talk about autistic traits, and me 223 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 2: and my produs would make the kind of side eye 224 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: at each other and be like, oh gosh. And then 225 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: the first season went to air, and then the audience 226 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: kept diagnosing my character with autism and my character is 227 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 2: just me. And then we were like, oh, yeah. 228 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: There you go. How cool though, to like one be 229 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: interested and to like create these characters that and you 230 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: wrote an autistic girl, right. 231 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a autistic teenage girl the big thing 232 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:15,359 Speaker 2: I wanted. 233 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: To do, which there wasn't a voice or a space 234 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: for that that existed, really. 235 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: No, almost zero. It's always boys. Females kind of typically 236 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 2: presents a bit differently, and autistic female girls have a 237 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 2: really hard time, Like that's a really difficult There's just 238 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: a lot of things that come along with that. But 239 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: nobody was talking about I hadn't really seen anywhere and 240 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: then and I was interested in that and the same way, 241 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 2: always interested in the main things, like new we mean 242 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: that about my mom's suicide attempts, And I felt like 243 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: nobody had really talked about suicide on TV very accurately 244 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: in a way that I had seen. So I was 245 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: always like somebody standing on like a bridge like I'm 246 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: going to jump, and then somebody talking it down. It 247 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: was quite hokey. Yeah, and I never see it done honestly, 248 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: And I felt the same way about autism generally with 249 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: specific oci females. 250 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: And with the character that played Bipola as well. 251 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: Right in Australia. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My mum's 252 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: my Poe. 253 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. So fascinating to like and also courageous of you 254 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: to be like, well, this is the truth for me, 255 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: and I want to share that because obviously it's going 256 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: to connect with other people. 257 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was I thought about. Please like method, I know, 258 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: I understand this really well and actually like a quick 259 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: to tell this story. I'm going to tell it everything 260 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: to be okay. My second show was supposed to be 261 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: this big thing where I'm like not writing about me 262 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: and the branching out and like writing about something else 263 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 2: and then ends up just writing about me. It turns 264 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: out this because I thought I was an autistic but 265 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: then it. 266 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: Turns and I was. But look at the healing in that. 267 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: What is that like art imitating life and all that, 268 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: Like you're fully in it. Yeah. I think what I 269 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: find so fascinating about you is like you've obviously got 270 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: this like internal drive because like to go from stand up, 271 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: which to me seems petrifying in and of itself, Like 272 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: I think that that is a very specific skill set 273 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: or type of human that can do. 274 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 2: No. I agree. I wouldn't started doing stand up now. 275 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: I started when I was seventeen. That you know, when 276 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: you were seventeen, you're at McDonald's, not developed properly, yeah, 277 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: and you don't have a good you're gonna have a 278 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: good like risk analysis, so like some like kids strive 279 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: cars really fast. And I was doing stand up also 280 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: stand up to me and felt a lot more comfortable 281 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: than having a conversation when I was that age and 282 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: I was really struggling socially and stand up I kind 283 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: of like got to make my own space to like 284 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: explain who I was and like say the things I 285 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 2: wanted to say. And I felt like that felt kind 286 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 2: of easier to me than having to like go to 287 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: a barbecue. 288 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: You know that's fair. And how does it feel now 289 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: doing stand like really yeah, like coming home kind of thing. 290 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it feels very like fun and just 291 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: playful and ah yeah, but I don't do like, I 292 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: don't do like lineup shows anymore. Well, sometimes I meet 293 00:13:58,520 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 2: those comedians and I'd be like, you're doing like the 294 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: clubs in LA and I'd like absolutely not, No, I'm 295 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: not going out there at eleven PM and yeah, play 296 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: six minutes and training convince an audience to like me anymore. 297 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: I'm not interested in that game. 298 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: So coming here and coming back to Australia and you're 299 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: touring for a while, like you're to me, yeah, may 300 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: that's a big hunger time. Does it feel like with 301 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: all the skills that you've got behind you, all that 302 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: time you've done in America plus like creating and developing 303 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: and starring in your own shows, Like, does it feel 304 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: like coming back here back to doing sot up. It's 305 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: just like like you were just saying, it's fun, But 306 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: is there like an ease and like you know when 307 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: you're doing something and you're like, oh, I'm meant to 308 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: be doing this and they called I think they call 309 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: flow state in psychology. 310 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're ever felt like that flow state? No? I 311 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: don't know. I mean I think this show has been tough, 312 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 2: Like this show's a harder show than I've done before. Really, 313 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: like not like in a fun way, but like like 314 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: like you like you like challenge yourself by just hiding 315 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: to do things differently. Right? 316 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? 317 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Sanachal's only ever really been jokes in a row 318 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: or stories in a row. Okay, this is like a 319 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: bit more serious, has like a bit more of something 320 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: going on. But I don't know what the end of 321 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: that sentence was. 322 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: No, I like whatever you said was perfect. I don't 323 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: even know boring myself. 324 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 2: No, I got so bored I couldn't even remember why 325 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: I was talking, so my own self. 326 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: No, but here, this is what I want to understand. 327 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: And just because like I'm a writer by trade, but 328 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: the thought of writing a screenplay or a treatment for 329 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: a show is quite scary, and like how do you 330 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: go from like I've got this idea and I know 331 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: with please like Me? That was like started with the 332 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: ABC here in Australia. Was it just like I think 333 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: it's I think I heard you say an interview took 334 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: four years of like negotiations back and forth. 335 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. When we started bitching please like Me, I was 336 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: street Yeah. 337 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: Yeah so and then by the time it kept like 338 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: my question is like there were it's rare that you 339 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: say stand ups, create there, create, develop showrun star like 340 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: like the courage that you must have had to be like, no, 341 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: this is this is gonna be. 342 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: A show the TV show not was Please Like Me? 343 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: Never felt like that much courage really well, because I 344 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: never really thought I was gonna make it, so like 345 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 2: the probably the reason why I took so long. I 346 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: mean that sounds like we were we were slogging or 347 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: something like that. Sounds like we were like in the 348 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: trenches this whole time, fighting for four years. But the 349 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: reality is I didn't think they was gonna make it. 350 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: So they would do the next development rounds, I'd be like, okay, 351 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: I'll hand in this, They're not going to make And 352 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: I thought the whole time, and then they did, so 353 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: I didn't really it didn't feel and the TV it 354 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: never feels that scary because you socially it is such 355 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: a long process. And then it's just like it's day 356 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: by day. Every day you do a bit. Every day 357 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: you do a bit, you add refine, you move on 358 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: to the next stage of production, and you do a bit, 359 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: and those days never feel or that daunting to me. Really, 360 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: could you just take it to by day and you 361 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: know how to do It's like today where filming these 362 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: five scenes, so just in the process of it, and 363 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: you have so many opportunities to edit. 364 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: Okay, See that's like the fact that your brain knows that, 365 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: like I think when an actor rocks up on set 366 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: that can put a bit of pressure on themselves. To 367 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: my imposter syndrome is like such a thing. 368 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 2: No, but that's true. It's different to be an actor though, 369 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: because they don't have the chimes to edit. They have 370 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: their one shot. They've come in, they've given them script. 371 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: They don't really know what people want. They rarely know 372 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: what the show is, and and they do their performance 373 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 2: and then it is what it is. 374 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: It's right. 375 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: Somebody else works out what it's going to be, and 376 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: somebody else edits it and then they find out what 377 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: it was. And that's different. Yeah, that's that. I would 378 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: feel numbers sory ound to somebody else's show in acting, 379 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: But on my show, I sort of know. I know 380 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: what it's supposed to be. I know if he did 381 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: it or not, and I know that if I didn't 382 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: do it and I get it, I get a chance 383 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: one day to fix it in the edit. 384 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: Oh, it's such a good way to go in. Yeah, 385 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: I think, a magic way to go in. 386 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: No. Yeah, I feel like that's so much more chill. 387 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 388 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 2: I mean there's like an incredible I mean everyone's show, 389 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: there's an incredible amount of pressure on you all the time. 390 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: Yeah to not Yeah, like you can. You can fuck 391 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: it up in like a long winded way over like months, 392 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? You're doing it over 393 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 2: months of like of a thousand tiny cuts. You don't 394 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 2: know what's happening when you're in it. Yeah, So it's 395 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: not that stressful day to day. I don't find it 396 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: that stressful day to day. 397 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: Well, you have like an amazing ability. Like even when 398 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: I get a callback and I'm in the studio, I'm like, 399 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: it's like scary because you had a. 400 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 2: Scary though I have all the power. Might job might 401 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: find much more relaxing that I would, That I would 402 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: would crush me. 403 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: So because you do star in it though technically you 404 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: are acting, even though it is like, I guess you're 405 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: your own archetype in a sense because it's a version 406 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 1: of me. Yeah, have you trained as an actor at all? 407 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 2: No? No? 408 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: No? Oh wow No. No, I'm so exciting for me. 409 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 2: That we were worried about when we started. Please, like me, 410 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 2: nobody knew if I was going to be able to act. 411 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 2: And it's not an easy show to act, and I'm 412 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: not amazing in it. I'm just me and Luckily I'm 413 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 2: kind of weird, so we get away with a lot 414 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: of stuff. But like that's crying, Like people die in 415 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: that show. There's like sex scenes and all this stuff that. Like, 416 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 2: I mean, I'd never been on set before. I've never 417 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: been on anything. Yeah, I didn't know it was the 418 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 2: boss the first season crazy, I didn't know. I don't 419 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: know who I thought the Boss was. I didn't think 420 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: it was me. 421 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: So what do you do when you cry? When you 422 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: have to cry? Like that scene with the bugs on 423 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: your face, you have the rainbow dumb beetle, yeah, and 424 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: then there were butterfly. 425 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: I was crying in that from the beetles are was 426 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: the worst thing of tent in my life. 427 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: Because I were like burrowing into your face, into. 428 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: My skin, yeah, trying to go in my nostril and 429 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: training on my thing. I was so upset. I just 430 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: don't really understand why we did it. It looked beautiful, 431 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 2: just weirdly. It's like a scene where I'm crying with 432 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: bunks crawling on my face. He's also like bugs but 433 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: my face. I was like, nobody would ever do this, 434 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 2: they'd feel disgusting. I can't believe we left it in 435 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: this show. 436 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: It looked it looked beautiful. 437 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the show was supposed to be realistic. Usually 438 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: I wouldn't let something like that stay. I think I 439 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: just let it sting in because I thought it looked false. 440 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 2: I thought it was beautiful and I had gone through 441 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: so much to get the shot of you had like 442 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: a full bug person. Yeah, it's only fear factor for 443 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 2: like a scene. Yeah we had a bug lady. Yeah, 444 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: that comes in. 445 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: I think, I know, might have been Aaron or something. 446 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: I remember what you were, Like, I'm the one that 447 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: booked the bug lady and I and it's like and 448 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: I'm the one sitting there with these these beetles like 449 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: crawling into my face. 450 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 2: So no one made me. 451 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: But when you do have to do those like a 452 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: more motive scenes, if there's like death or loss or grief, 453 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: Like how do you go to those? Like in acting school, 454 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: like there are so many ways into that. And to 455 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: be honest, like a lot of actors fear crying on 456 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: cube because it's highly vulnerable and can be really scary, 457 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: Like how do you do that without like other than 458 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: the bugs like literally calling into your face. 459 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: I mean I don't do it. That will is the answer, 460 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: I just don't do it that well, and I just 461 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: sort of accept how it's going to be. I just 462 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: that's going to be. We designed the show around my skills, 463 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 2: all the good things up. Yeah, you know, I'm never 464 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 2: like you're never seeing me. We never have a scene 465 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: where you like, maybe before I knew about this, Ellie 466 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 2: on this in the seasons, you were, but we would 467 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 2: never do a scene where you see me start crying. Well, 468 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: like I have to start crying a mid scene, we 469 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: cut in on me crying, got it? Because you know, 470 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 2: then you can put all the scaffold day. You can 471 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: put the tears and the menthol and the stuff if 472 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: you need. You know, there's no scenes where somebody is 473 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: telling me something sad, I'm receiving news and I have 474 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: to break into tears. But it's very high level difficulty. 475 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: Got it? 476 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: Got it? 477 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: Oh, so you're all about the menthole under the eyes 478 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. 479 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 2: We're always cutting in stobbing. Yeah, p from one scene, 480 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: I once I cried properly. Yeah, And then I went 481 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 2: in the ed and I watched it back and I 482 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: was like, I'm not crying that believably, And I said 483 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 2: to the editors and but I cried, actually crying. We 484 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 2: find them where I actually cried, and we went through 485 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: the takes and I got in talbadrams witch. Oh really 486 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 2: because you can't tell them? 487 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, eyed, Yeah, so interesting though, I hope I don't 488 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: mind me asking all this like beatiest stuff. 489 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 2: I love it. No, yeah, I don't care. I don't know. 490 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: I don't feel like, Yeah, what do. 491 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: You prefer writing comedy or like you write quite beautiful 492 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: tragedy in a way like or is it for you 493 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: more that like drama da kind of genre that you 494 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: feel like you sit in as a writer. 495 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think what was that was so 496 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: long ago that the fact that it was not either 497 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 2: a sitcom nor in drama was like a big part 498 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: of the pitch. I was explaining this idea that we 499 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: would do both trauma and comedy, like to them as 500 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 2: if they had never come across this idea before, which 501 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 2: these days it's a big thing to I absolutely have 502 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: to do it right. If these days you would be 503 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: going in there, you'd be describing you say, I would 504 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 2: do it was just an actual sitcom, and you'd have 505 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: to really to send seven minutes on the pitch explaining 506 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: why you weren't going to have emotional terms, and then 507 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 2: so we try and do I don't know the drama usually, 508 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: m I didn't. Usually I don't really know what to 509 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 2: say about the question which I'm doing. Prefer writing. You 510 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 2: want to write the bit that feels like that doesn't 511 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 2: feel like work, that feels like that more natural. You 512 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: want it to feel like it's what the characters are 513 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 2: up to. And and most I would say most sad 514 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: scenes are happening because I feel really sad for the characters. 515 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: Like as we're like talking about I'd be like, fuck, 516 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: this is so brutal, Like he would be thinking this 517 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 2: and going through this, and then you just write them down. 518 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: But I mean, of course, I like, I mean, of 519 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: course I prefer writing dramatic scenes. It takes forty five minutes. Really, Yeah, 520 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: it was so easy. Are we're talking about why I think. 521 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: You've got this. You are like a magician, like to 522 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: be able to do even the way you talk about 523 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: like the arc of a character or a story or 524 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: a plot point or something like. Not all brains can 525 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: do that. 526 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the skill in a dramatic scene is not And 527 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: when you're writing the scene, it's in the build up 528 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: so you have to like the character enough. You need 529 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: to care about the character enough, you need to be 530 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 2: on site with the story. You have to really believe 531 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: the story, and when the thing happens has to shock 532 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 2: you in a week. So like all the work is 533 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: done four episodes before. Yeah, once something sad actually happens 534 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: in a TV show, the scene afterwards, it's very very easy. 535 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: That's that's that's that's there's no you shouldn't have to 536 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: do anything. So that's why. So like, yeah, so when 537 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: you're writing drama or comedy, it really depends on how 538 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 2: well I've set it up. Got there? Yeah, If we've 539 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: got there, then the drama study is like. 540 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: You've got such an incredible brain for this, like you 541 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,479 Speaker 1: like even just the way you're describing this to me now, 542 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: and when I was researching you, hearing the way you 543 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: described in interviews, like how characters, the like synopsis of 544 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: shows and like how the arcs of different episodes, I'm like, 545 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: this is an incredible brain. 546 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 2: Thanks, you're welcome. I wouldn't I wouldn't have known how 547 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: to talk about it when we started on fifty two 548 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 2: episodes now, yeah, and so I know, but when we started, 549 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: I just I think. I mean, it's still the same 550 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 2: thing where you don't want to you can know too much, right, 551 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 2: and you can know how to do things too much. 552 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: You can know how to like you like, learn these 553 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: skill sets of how to manipulate an audience, but that's 554 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: not what you want to be doing good good TV 555 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: as you know your characters or my type of that. 556 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: I like, you know your characters and you know what 557 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: they would actually do, and you know how how they feel, 558 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: and you want to be going with that. 559 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: As much as possible. Love that and that's like a 560 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: sixth sense thing to know that. 561 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my skill sets I know. Yeah, yeah, oh 562 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: I love that. 563 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: But the rest of it is just so which do 564 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: you prefer? Then that like creating that and like creating 565 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: characters that we the audience give a shit about and 566 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: want to like go for or then like to me, 567 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: stand up is like they are very different ends of 568 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: the spectrum of being an entertainer. Both incredible, but like, 569 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: which do you prefer? Or is that too hard to ask? 570 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: I like getting to switch between. 571 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, stand up is like. 572 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 2: At the moment, I'm really enjoying doing stand up, but 573 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 2: there's been times when I haven't. 574 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: Have you bombed doing stand up of course, like like 575 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: to the point that you're like that was the worst, 576 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: or like that the audience feels too quiet, or oh yeah. 577 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 2: Sure, anyway, I just gonna believe how quiet they were. 578 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 2: And that's my own show, which I would say as 579 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 2: it happened, one one one in two hundred shells. You 580 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: walk out and they're quiet then, and I was like, 581 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, I haven't done this for a while. 582 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 2: And when I was starting out, I mean, yeah, I 583 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 2: was doing I was only three or four things a week. 584 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 2: I was really upsets, hyper focused on it, and I 585 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 2: was doing like and I used to do. I used 586 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: to get up in the corner of the rooms, you know, 587 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 2: like Pokey's rooms, and only did was put a spotlight up, 588 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: and then they'd be like, there's an open mic night tonight, 589 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: and nobody knew that they were going to see a 590 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: comedy show. And you have to get up and like 591 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 2: figure it out, and like the other I was a 592 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: Brisbane but you just want to move on. 593 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: So it's like a game of letting go essentially and 594 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: onto the next Yeah. 595 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to really you have to really become 596 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: transient in the way that you feel and just kind 597 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 2: of yeah, you can't. You can't keep it until the morning. 598 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: You can't keep it the next morning. You're allowed to 599 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: a bit of time after you get off stage. But 600 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: I feel the same way about good gigs. 601 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so you don't indulge it. You're just like, awesome, 602 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: that one felt great. Onto the next. 603 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: Lesson leave our lives because they got people go crazy, 604 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: don't they? Yeah, what are your means? Yeah, come on, 605 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: you've met these Yeah, old comedians, dudes, just still. 606 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: Out there, You're gonna go crazy? 607 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, what are they doing getting up still when they 608 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: don't have to get up? Just like desperate for the 609 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 2: applause or whatever. They're like addicts, aren't they. 610 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: Well, there'd probably be some kind of combo with addict 611 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: and absolutely so. 612 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: Just like you can't link. You can't like if you 613 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 2: ever really like, I mean, I don't know if it's 614 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: that good for you to have all these have a 615 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: thousand people clamping for you every night, don't You can't link. 616 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: You can't take that in the same as the same 617 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 2: as the ones where they hate. You can't take that in. 618 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 2: You have to like kind of when you're on stage 619 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 2: being really with them and then when you're off stage, 620 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: be like that was my job. But they did want 621 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: to work today, I think, and switch off from it 622 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: because they go, I mean, you met these people get nuts, 623 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 2: don't you think? 624 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: No, you're bringing up a very fair point. But it's funny. 625 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: I've interviewed a lot of comedians and I wouldn't put 626 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: you in that. I would put you in a creator's boat, 627 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: like you feel like when I interview a writer, how 628 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: you feel as a person good And that's a compliment 629 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: as well. But like I love, I love hanging with comedians, 630 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: I will be really honest with you. I get quite 631 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: scared interviewing comedians because I never know if I'm getting 632 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: a bit or if I'm getting are they doing? 633 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 2: Should I be doing better? No? One joke, I'm gonna. 634 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: Perfect that you were doing absolutely fair? 635 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: Are they doing bits on their show when they do 636 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: the couple city interviews. I've never been able to bring 637 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: myself to do that. I've been doing it a bit 638 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,479 Speaker 2: this year, but I have like I made a decision 639 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: this year to just do it. What do you mean, 640 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: like like you're on the project, you do like a 641 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: couple of little jokes on the show, I've never done 642 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: that before, and that's what everyone always tells you to do, 643 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 2: and I've been doing it and I feel a bit ashamed. 644 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: No, you're probably I watched your full episode of your 645 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: full interview of that with your thick knit looks great, 646 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: haven't you. Yeah, I'm almost notesed it, Like I literally 647 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: have to. 648 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: Know more about me than me. 649 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something that I'm interested to talk to about you. 650 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's resilience or I don't know 651 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: what if it is what you just talked about, the 652 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: ability to kind of let go and beyond to the 653 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: next like pitching shows like la here like you said 654 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: like la Like there's a famous saying you never have 655 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: bad meeting because there can be a bit of fake And. 656 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime on you Australian comes to Alan, you know, 657 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 2: and they want to go to Dowla and they're doing 658 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: these meetings and they have this like first like week, 659 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: two weeks, and they're so papped up, like oh my god, 660 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 2: it's so great over here because they've never seen this. 661 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 2: Everyone's lying to your face and telling you that they 662 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: want to work with you, and they're like yeah, they 663 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 2: these people really loved it. Had a great need with 664 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: these people, and they're just like thinking like, oh my, 665 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 2: that's on top of the world. And I always try 666 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: and quietly say to them like just like relax and 667 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: see which meetings follow up. 668 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, such a high. 669 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: Don't blow your cash, don't don't book an apartment here yet. 670 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: Let's just give it a few weeks and let's see, 671 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: like you know, how many contracts come through. And it's 672 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: I always feel so bad having to have this conversation 673 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: with them, but it is that's a gift. Everybody does it. 674 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: Everybody comes over and gets so excited because we're so 675 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 2: not used to people in Australia. If someone does a 676 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: meeting with you and they said that you're greed and 677 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: they said they want to work with you, they mean it. 678 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: It's legit, yeah, and they just it's just how they 679 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: end every meeting. 680 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: But where does that resilience come from for you? Because 681 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: you're very resilient to be able to sit in those 682 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: meetings and go or like when the matchbox deals on 683 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: the table, be like the matchbox come movie, Yeah, it'd 684 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: be like no, thanks. Like that takes a sense of 685 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: self awareness and a sense of I think, well, this 686 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: is obviously not for me, but something else is. And 687 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: then to create not one but two shows, And did 688 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: you say fifty to fifty six episode? Like so many episodes? 689 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: A lot, a lot, all right, and have that resilience 690 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,719 Speaker 1: to be like and I've heard you say once your 691 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: director was why and you're like, I ended up just 692 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: directing it because I didn't We didn't need to get 693 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: somebody else, Like you have this ability to go, like 694 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: to be able to step up to the plate, let 695 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: the pressure kind of go or not let it affect 696 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: you and just move on to the next. And that's 697 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: where I think some of your magic is as well. 698 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: I think that's not a question, I know. 699 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 2: But. 700 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: Just admiring, Well, what do you have? 701 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: What choice do you have? You got to get up 702 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 2: and do it. And I also do like, I mean 703 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 2: I do like like like maybe it seems like on 704 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: my shows, I'm doing a lot of charms when you 705 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: like list it out like that, Like it's writing, interacting 706 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: and producing and starring. It's funny to say starring, but 707 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 2: it's one thing that I know how to do. And 708 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: I'm not like going on other people's shows. I'm not 709 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: directing other people's shows. I'm not like I know what 710 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: I can do and what I can't do. I'm doing 711 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: stand up. It's just me, so's I'm not that razy, 712 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 2: and I just like half the things, and I feel 713 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: like I know how to do. No one knows those 714 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: show is better than me, and of course world's foremost 715 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 2: expert on those two shows. So I feel like very 716 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: comfortable in that office. But I wouldn't do a bunch 717 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 2: of other stuff. 718 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not going to see you on Grey's anatomy 719 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: kind of thing. 720 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think. I mean, I don't know. 721 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 2: I've done one one audition, and I was to play 722 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 2: Eric in succession. Yeah, cousin Greg, not Eric. Who's Eric? 723 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,719 Speaker 1: Well, cousin Greg. Imagine if you played cousin Greg terrible? 724 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: What do you mean, ruined this show? 725 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 2: It's such a good show, and I would have ruined it. 726 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 2: I love that's so good. Yeah, you know I hated 727 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: the pilot when I read it. Really yeah, I thought 728 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 2: this is so bad. Almost did an audition. I thought 729 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 2: this is not a good show. But Will Farrell was 730 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: eping and I thought, Okay, I'll do it. 731 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: Oh and a great soundtrack. I know you want to know. No, 732 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: that's so good. 733 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 2: I'm so bad at reading other people's scrims, so I'm 734 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: always wrong about them. Really yeah, yeah, yeah, I read 735 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: a few scripts. I thought this is junk. 736 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: Also, my question is, if you're coming, if you're spending 737 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: some time in Australia, now, would you then consider doing 738 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: another show TV show in Australia. 739 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 2: I mean that's the other thing about show Bersinus. You 740 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 2: can't think you're just doing whatever the job they give you, 741 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 2: aren't you? 742 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: But you seem to be self create like you seem 743 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: to be self generated as well. 744 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but a little yes. I mean, so I made 745 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 2: those two shows and then I pitched another show that 746 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: I'm in development for. But and then are gonna make it? 747 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 2: I don't think I should not be saying that in 748 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 2: interviews and feeling really positive about it. 749 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: And but then could you pitch that I'll pitch again. 750 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I pitched to I still pitched to them. I 751 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: pitched to Australia and America. 752 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: Not good. But yeah, what about if you so you say, 753 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: like if I say, like, what's next for you, it's 754 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: just like whatever the whatever the next thing comes, like 755 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: you're the full proper. That's like the artist's way right 756 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: where you're just like, after this stand up gig is 757 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: like after May. Yeah, it'll be whatever comes comes. 758 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: And you think for me, that's like opportunities, like sometimes 759 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 2: I'll get hired or whatever. But like I'd like to 760 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 2: go on the Traders. 761 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: Oh, we would just forget. I've written it down. 762 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 2: I've start to watch Thanks to you, I stopped doing 763 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 2: timulate that for a while, but now I think it's 764 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 2: fun and so do the tour. But also it's like 765 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: you have to have like an idea sometimes. Yeah, like 766 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 2: I could just go out and pitch another shower, but 767 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 2: I need to have a show that I want to make. Yeah, 768 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: because yeah, if they meant it and I don't like it, 769 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 2: then I'm stuck. 770 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: Well I imagine you would be. You'd be like stuff this, 771 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: I'm gone. 772 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: It's like you're playing on this seven years. 773 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,240 Speaker 1: You picked seven year deals. 774 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 2: There's seven year options. Yeah, so you pitch it and 775 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 2: they like it, then I mean, no one of these 776 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 2: days is really going to make you stay if you 777 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 2: don't want to stay. But they could. Yeah, they could 778 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 2: have made me do seven seasons of everything's going to 779 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: be okay. Yeah, this is a very. 780 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: Like a lot of actors listen there's a lot of 781 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: younger kids. I love that I have some classic it's 782 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: a seven year option. Yeah, I had no idea. Yeah, 783 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: I'm learning so much from me. 784 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 2: But who's making a seven season? 785 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: What do they say three to five? 786 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, well, it's because they started doing 787 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 2: last seasons because this I'm really talking shop now, because 788 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 2: the way residuals. Because residuals went away. So now you 789 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: get these bonuses with each season. And the idea is that, 790 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 2: you know, if we got a second season, then it 791 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 2: must have been a really sucessful show of your season 792 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 2: two to three, so they get incrementally more expensive. So 793 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 2: Netflix invents in that deal and then stopped making seasons 794 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 2: fours even if I hit shows. 795 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: So fascinating. Ah. Yeah, did you get involved with any 796 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: of the SAG strike last year? Did you go out? 797 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 2: I walked around. 798 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was everywhere. I felt like everywhere was like 799 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: l I turned into one of ghost Town for auditions. 800 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: But huh, it was quite wild to be a part 801 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: of and to see it. 802 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 2: Was weird after the pandemic to see it all shut 803 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 2: down again. I know, yeah, you. 804 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: Would have been there for it all. So for somebody 805 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: that might have a dream, whether it's create their own 806 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: idea or show or get the courage to do stand up, Like, 807 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: what's your advice? Is someone that's got an idea, but 808 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: they're scared. 809 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 2: What's the idea? It's so specific? What do they want 810 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 2: to do? 811 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: I guess somebody that might just be like or like 812 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,479 Speaker 1: a young a young comedian that's like that, I really 813 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: want to do stand up. I'm too scared. I'm going 814 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: to go and be an accountant instead, you know what 815 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean? 816 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 2: Like you know you mean, like I believe in yourself. Oh, 817 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 2: I have no idea. I have no idea. Like it's 818 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 2: just and I mean I I don't know some people 819 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 2: who do stand up comedy and I and they're so 820 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 2: anxious about it still I've been doing it for years. 821 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 2: They're so successful. So many comedians you love, you know, 822 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 2: they're so anxious, And I'm just like, oh, you shouldn't 823 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 2: have done this, to be honest, Like, if you don't 824 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 2: feel confident starting it, stand up probably isn't for you 825 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 2: because if it goes well, you're going to be stuck 826 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 2: in it. So it should be something that brings you joy. 827 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 2: If you need me to talk, you're into getting up 828 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 2: there to do your stand up gig. Don't. Honestly no, 829 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 2: that's so like if it brings your joy that they 830 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 2: go for it, Yeah, you should be excited about it, 831 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 2: and stand up something that you definitely have to. I 832 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 2: remember once my managed to send to me like and 833 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 2: as a child, he's that he only gets clients that 834 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: his favorite type of client is a client that just 835 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 2: couldn't be doing anything else, Like they have to do 836 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 2: stand up and that's like all that they're focused on it, 837 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 2: and stand up is something it's like, it's like it's 838 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 2: like if you decided you wanted to train to be 839 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 2: an Olympic runner. It's like something that takes so much 840 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 2: drive and you have to be obsessed with it and 841 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 2: you have to need it to bother otherwise why would 842 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 2: you do it? 843 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: And you've got to start at the bottom and kind 844 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: of work your way out. 845 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. But the good thing about it is it's pretty democratic. 846 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 2: So if you just keep getting up there and you 847 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 2: start being funny consistently on stage, then you can have 848 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 2: a job. It's not like acting. Acting's torture do that, 849 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 2: Oh my god, no control over anything, and you and 850 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 2: actors always trying to work out they can be better 851 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 2: at acting, but that's not necessarily what gets your jobs. No, 852 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 2: I know, I know. That's why it so sounds tough 853 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 2: to me. 854 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: It's so brutal, that's so britty. My first audition I 855 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: got in LA I read the age. I was like, 856 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: oh mate, it, I did what you warned. All your 857 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: friends come over. It's like, God, I got my apartment 858 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: in Lost Feelers. I was set, everything's going so well, 859 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: so well. First audition comes in and they're like Kristen 860 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: Bell type. I was like, oh, yep, I'm reading down 861 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: the script and I I'm like, oh, this is an 862 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: ad for Vagina deodorant. I had to barrel the camera 863 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,280 Speaker 1: and be like, I'm your funny godmother, I'm not joking. 864 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: First audition in our right. 865 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 2: And you didn't even get it, did not get it. 866 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 1: I did an American dialect and then I was like, 867 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: I've got to do this in Australian. It's too funny. 868 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 1: And yet no response. 869 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:21,240 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. 870 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: But I mean, like that is like one Fellai story. 871 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: There are many. 872 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 2: Acting is acting is the I would never wish that 873 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 2: on anybody. 874 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,959 Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, So if you act in anything moving forward 875 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: from here, it'll be stuff that you've written that is 876 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: a version of yourself. 877 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean if somebody gave me a role 878 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 2: and I was exciting to do it, but to be 879 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 2: putting all my energy into something where you actually can't 880 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,760 Speaker 2: control the outcome. And then all these actors convincing themselves 881 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 2: that they have control over whether or not the successful 882 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 2: and then almost none of them being successful. I mean, 883 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 2: the hit rate is tiny in acting and comedy is not. 884 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 2: Then that I just feel like, is such a And 885 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 2: then you can book a show and they're not like 886 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 2: I mean, so many people I have cast to be 887 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 2: like a lead in a show that they're just back 888 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 2: to being unemployed again. They're still like in the same 889 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 2: game and they're not earning so much money these days 890 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 2: that they're like set up. They're not set up. Yeah, 891 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 2: it almost every actor that's been on one of my 892 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 2: shows is working in a cafe now, Like it's it's 893 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 2: even if you kind of get dads, I don't, I 894 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,959 Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, you're an actor, so you feel 895 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 2: like maybe. 896 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: I say, no, not at all. I love it. 897 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 2: Now if you're gonna be an actor and he's going 898 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 2: to your secondary thing. 899 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,879 Speaker 1: Well, I always say, and they say, they say, never 900 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: to have a backup. If you're going to be an actor, 901 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: they say, do not have a safety and do not 902 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: have a backup. And I always say nobody. When you 903 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: go to drama school, no one teaches you business. And 904 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, always have something that's going to bring financing, Like, 905 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: always have. 906 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 2: Something that brings finance, and then also something it's the 907 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 2: sort of like you love I feel your day that 908 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 2: makes you feel like you're getting something done because I 909 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 2: feel like it's such as where you're just so constantly 910 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 2: up against So there's like this incredible and drive and hope, 911 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,760 Speaker 2: but you're up against schools. Yeah, you just strick fighting 912 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 2: spirits and you don't understand why they're making the decisions 913 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 2: that they make. I mean, having done casting, it's terrible. 914 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 2: Like I'm definitely not not getting the most talented person. 915 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 2: That's not the goal. 916 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: You're getting someone that feels like the character, right, Yeah. 917 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think someone who like seems like would be 918 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 2: would date me. You know, Yeah, I could imagine being 919 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 2: on a date with that boy. And that's literally the 920 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 2: conversation that we have. 921 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: You know, I do love that you have a conversation 922 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: with their reactor that you can't like that comes in yeah, 923 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: which doesn't always happen in an audition and a callback. 924 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 2: No, we try and make it nice. And also I 925 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 2: do kind of I don't. I don't cast people. I 926 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 2: genuinely cast people who are to play themselves. So like 927 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,279 Speaker 2: a big part of the audition is chatting to them 928 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 2: and getting to know them and find out who they are. Also, 929 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 2: I don't really think you can pretend to be funny. 930 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 2: I don't think you can act funny. 931 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: No, you've either got funny bones, bones on your dog. 932 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 2: So I want to see if they have a sense 933 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 2: of being with their funny. So we'll all to we'll 934 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 2: chat ages and ages and if I like them in 935 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 2: their auditions. But I mean, I mean, I've cast a 936 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 2: bunch of people who did terrible auditions and we just 937 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 2: keep bringing them back. How good, Prinston repeats, you keep 938 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 2: bringing them back and see if they can work it out. 939 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: Oh, I love that you've shared so much behind the 940 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: scenes with me. No, I really appreciate I'm being serious, Yes, 941 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: and I and it's like yours just straight up honesty 942 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 1: is such a gift. I think you're so such a 943 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. And I really, I just want 944 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: to say thank you for that and I cannot wait 945 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: to see what it's tardy Us' the end. That's a 946 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:59,439 Speaker 1: wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. 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