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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lolaberry.

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Speaker 2: Hello, it's Lowls here.

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Speaker 1: You can't see me doing this, but I have a

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Speaker 1: random hand movement I do when I say hello, and

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Speaker 1: the boss is having a little giggle at me. Today's

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Speaker 1: guest I want to get straight into it because I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited for this episode. His name is Travis Jeffrey.

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Speaker 1: He is an Australian actor, producer. He's also an ambassador

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Speaker 1: for Polish Man. We're both ambassadors for Polish Man, which

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Speaker 1: is a charity. It's all about ending violence against children.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to put heaps of show notes here and

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Speaker 1: links to get involved. It's a wonderful, wonderful charity and.

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Speaker 2: It kicks off on October first. Travis Jeffrey, this guy.

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Speaker 1: I was really nervous to interview him because he's done

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Speaker 1: so much. He's work with Angelina Jolly on Unbroken, He's

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Speaker 1: worked on Pirates of the Caribbean, Gallipoli.

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Speaker 2: He had a like lead role in this amazing TV.

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Speaker 1: Show called Gallipoli, and it was really deep and I

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Speaker 1: imagine quite confronting. Then he plays this like Ossie Larakan

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Speaker 2: He's been on top end wedding.

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Speaker 1: He's got a new movie coming out called Bloody Hell

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Speaker 1: where he plays two finish twins.

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Speaker 2: This guy doesn't stop. And the cool thing and the

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Speaker 2: coolest thing about this human is he has got zero ego.

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Speaker 1: He's done all this amazing stuff, but he's so grounded,

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Speaker 2: And I cannot wait for you.

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Speaker 1: To hear this episode with Travis Jeffrey. You are a

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Speaker 1: legend friend. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. Travis Jeffrey.

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Speaker 1: I've got to tell you right before, we just had

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Speaker 1: a little yarn before I do my introduction separately to this,

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Speaker 1: so if you feel like we're just diving straight in,

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Speaker 1: that's why.

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Speaker 3: Well, wonderful.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you for such a lovely introduction. Even though

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard it, I'm sure it's wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're in safe hands.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: The reason why.

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Speaker 1: I've been lucky enough to get you on this podcast

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Speaker 1: is because you and I are both Polish Man ambassadors. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I was just saying to you kind of the

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Speaker 1: campaign's just kind of gone live now. This podcast will

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Speaker 1: come out in a couple of weeks time. But you

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Speaker 1: spoke so beautifully about the campaign, and I was just

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Speaker 1: wondering if you could share a little bit about Polish Man,

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Speaker 1: what it means to be an ambassador, and a little

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Speaker 1: bit about the ethos behind polish Man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, So polish Man. It's a really beautiful campaign.

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Speaker 4: It's a really really important campaign. I've been lucky enough

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Speaker 4: that I work in between acting gigs. I work at

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Speaker 4: a daycare and my friend who runs the daycare got

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Speaker 4: me involved. And for anybody who doesn't know what it is,

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Speaker 4: it's a campaign that's putting an end to violence against

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Speaker 4: children everywhere. A billion kids in the last year alone

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Speaker 4: experienced violence, which is crazy. You know, that's a billion

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Speaker 2: So isn't that like more than half the kids in

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Speaker 4: It's half the kids, Yeah, which is just it's just

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Speaker 4: be true, but it is unfortunately. So what polish Man

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Speaker 4: does is it challenges people who want to be a

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Speaker 4: the moment. Yes, we both are for the month of October.

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Speaker 4: And what that does is, you know, you chat with

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Speaker 4: And so where the money goes is to trauma recovery

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Speaker 3: Me too. Yeah, this podcast has come out of.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was going to say.

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Speaker 1: I said, I feel very lucky because when they sent

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to have and I really, I really.

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Speaker 1: the process. And You've played quite differing roles and some

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's chump straight in. So I'm broken. That was

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Speaker 4: And yeah, so I graduated and I had a couple

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know that's what Victoria's Secret models do

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Speaker 2: And I was like, here we go.

445
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 1: I've got to watch the really hardcore scene again.

446
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 2: Your character.

447
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, I feel like March is into slaughter.

448
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 2: Is it a bit rude to I don't know, not rude, but.

449
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 4: It's yeah, unfortunately that's exactly yeah. Yeah, the neck, Yeah, unfortunately,

450
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 4: that's what it was. It was just just miscommunication by

451
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 4: the officers and just having no concern for human life,

452
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 4: just sending these boys to their death. And the hardest

453
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 4: thing about those kind of things is that they know

454
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 4: it's coming. Like I think for the neck, there was

455
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 4: four waves, so you just hear Wave one go when

456
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 4: you watch all your mates just get lowered down, go

457
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 4: Wave two, let's go, and the whole time they were

458
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 4: trying to stop it.

459
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think, yeah.

460
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 4: What GALLIPI does really well is it captures kind of

461
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 4: the incompetence of the people running the show and just

462
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 4: to disregard, which is really heartbreaking, you know, just these

463
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 4: kids just went over there to protect their country and

464
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 4: get some have an adventure and didn't know what they

465
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 4: were getting into and just end up in situations like that.

466
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 4: But yeah, that was a really really beautiful one to

467
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 4: work on, I guess, you know, with Unbroken and Piots

468
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. It's really cool, but it

469
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 4: doesn't hit home like the ANZACs, you know. Being Australian

470
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 4: and just before we started shooting, I was lucky enough

471
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 4: I went on a little trip with my mum to

472
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 4: we went to Gilipi.

473
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

474
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went to because I really wanted to sort

475
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 4: of pay my respects and kind of get a feel

476
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 4: for the place and kind of sit like I went

477
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 4: to the neck and I sat in the trenches and

478
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 4: just kind of tried to, yeah, get to his because

479
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 4: you're never going to be able to fully understand the

480
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 4: horror that these guys went through in those moments, but

481
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 4: just be able to be there and get a feel

482
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 4: for the atmosphere and.

483
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,199
Speaker 3: See how ridiculous it all was.

484
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 4: Like they talk about when the Anzac's landed, they were

485
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 4: just they landed in the wrong.

486
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 3: Spot at a cliff face.

487
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, but just to get there and stand in front

488
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 4: of it, and they were supposed to run up that,

489
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 4: you know, capture the land, and you.

490
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 3: Just go, this is impossible. Yeah.

491
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: So did you get cast in the role and then

492
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: go to Gallipoli because you were like, I need to

493
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: feel this.

494
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

495
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I got cast and I'd always really wanted

496
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 4: to go to Anzac Cove and to wander around. And

497
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 4: so there was a bit of time, like we did

498
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 4: our boot camp week and then I think I had

499
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 4: like three or four weeks off shooting, and luckily the

500
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 4: production like, yeah, you can go, just make sure you know,

501
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 4: you get back on time to start shooting. So yeah,

502
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 4: it was great with my mom and we spent a

503
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 4: few days there and it was just amazing.

504
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

505
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: And is that kind of There are some actors I

506
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: speak to and it feels like their process is I

507
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: guess too fine the truth within there within the story

508
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 1: that they're yeah sharing and it feels like that might

509
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 1: have been as to get as close to the experience

510
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 1: as you as humanly possible.

511
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 4: Is that yeah, process, absolutely, I think the good thing

512
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 4: about film. I think what makes film easier is a

513
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 4: lot of the time that it is as close to

514
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 4: real as possible.

515
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 3: So you rock up to.

516
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 4: Set and you're in the mud, you're wet, you're cold.

517
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 4: Obviously you're not being shot at. That's something that we

518
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 4: always keep in mind. It's like, you know, we're going

519
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 4: home to our hotel at the end of the day.

520
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 4: Our lives aren't hard, but they make it easier for

521
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 4: us to kind of get there with the situations they

522
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 4: put us in. So yeah, going to Glibly to try

523
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 4: and get a sense of that was definitely. You know,

524
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 4: you want to try and act as little as possible,

525
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 4: so the more information you can get that gives you

526
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 4: an understanding of what you're about to do, the better.

527
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 3: For me, I find did.

528
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: You have a dialect coach for that?

529
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: Because your accent was it felt so iconically Aussie, but

530
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: also of the era, the way listening to you speak.

531
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 4: Great now, I think that's just growing up on a farm.

532
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: I can't.

533
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 4: I guess like as soon as you go, oh, world

534
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 4: War one, you kind of, I guess you lean into

535
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 4: it a little bit. Yeah, you know, and it's a

536
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 4: fine balance because you don't want to sound like you're

537
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 4: taking a piss, you know, totally going to occer and

538
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 4: but I'm glad, thank you.

539
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: That's good. Good to hear.

540
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: Also consuming you in spin Out as well, because you

541
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: paid the kind of like there's a like this, I

542
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: guess to your character Sparry. He kind of felt like

543
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: soft and sweet, but he also felt very Australiana.

544
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so that was the same sort.

545
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: We shot that out in Sheperd, which is a few

546
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 4: hours away from where I grew up.

547
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 3: So I kind of felt very comfortable there.

548
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 4: And you know, I I've met a lot of people

549
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 4: like Sparrow and you go, oh, that's the kind of

550
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 4: guy is and yeah, so.

551
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: A lot of fun though that looked like a lot

552
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: of fun.

553
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 3: That was amazing.

554
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 4: That's that's still one of my favorite shoots, I guess

555
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 4: because of how fun it was. Like I've got the

556
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 4: shoots that I find the most satisfying, you know, like

557
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 4: Gallipoli and angel clothes and those sort of things. But

558
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 4: in terms of how much fun we had, like we're

559
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 4: all put up in the same kind of hotel complex

560
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 4: in shepperd and and a lot of the extras were locals.

561
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 4: They just like put out a Facebook post and go

562
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 4: come made up B and S ball and so we

563
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 4: made mates with a lot of those guys and still

564
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 4: keep in contact and we were down at the local

565
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 4: pub every Friday night with them, and yeah, it was

566
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 4: just a really really lovely vibe and we all got

567
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 4: really close, which which you want which shows on screen?

568
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 3: I think?

569
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 4: And yeah, that was a lot of fun. And getting

570
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 4: to play Spurrow, who is just like the biggest sweetheart,

571
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 4: It was just a lot of fun.

572
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 3: It was great.

573
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, your character felt very lovable.

574
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, kind of like the like sort of the

575
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 4: dost best friend gets himself in these situations that you

576
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 4: don't know how he did that, but.

577
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: Comes out the other side.

578
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: I actually found a video on YouTube of you giving

579
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: tips for actors. And I don't know if you know

580
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: that I study acting at the moment.

581
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 3: In yeah, yeah, and.

582
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: It's rare that actors kind of share their tips. I know,

583
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: this sounds like a weird thing, but it feels like

584
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 1: something quite sacred. And I kind of understand that as well.

585
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: But I saw a video of you on YouTube and

586
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: it was like tip tips for actors, and I was like, man,

587
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: these are tips for life.

588
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: Can you remember these tips?

589
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 3: I remember shooting the video.

590
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 4: I don't remember the pearls of wisdom that I will relate.

591
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: So number one was bu and I'm like, I think

592
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: that's another thing with acting. We think we have to

593
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: put something on and and and.

594
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: Be something we're not. The next one is my favorite,

595
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: and that was work hard.

596
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of people think when

597
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: they see an actor, oh wow, they've just got to

598
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: learn lines.

599
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: And memorize lines.

600
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: And it's like, I feel like that is like the

601
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg. You know. One of my teachers

602
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: is Ian Sinclair, who's he's like quite a big theater.

603
00:26:59,160 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 2: Director in Australia.

604
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing.

605
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he says that's the most common question they.

606
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 3: Get asked, like as you learn all those lines?

607
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he goes, if only people knew, you know,

608
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: like all the work that someone does. And at school,

609
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: like the model of the school, you'll hear like walking

610
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: down the corridors as you're training for the Olympics. Yeah,

611
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: treat this like you're training for the Olympics. And I'm

612
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: a pretty hard worker by nature, but I was like, yeah, whoa.

613
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: And one thing that I've wondered about.

614
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: Is like, if you're going in for an audition, how often,

615
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, how much preparation time do you often get

616
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: with sides? So when they deliver your audition piece and

617
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: they're like, here's your five pages of sides, you've got

618
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: a self tape or whatever, how how what's that window

619
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: of time?

620
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 4: Like it usually can be anywhere between a couple of

621
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 4: days to a week or so they are it's not

622
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 4: long usually no, But it's kind of good in some

623
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: ways where you because I think one of my biggest things,

624
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 4: and I think a lot of people's biggest it's just

625
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 4: overthinking it. So it's good to just kind of like

626
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 4: do the prep that you need to do and then

627
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 4: just get in there and do it.

628
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: And one of the biggest lessons I learned, and that.

629
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 4: Was one of the tips that you brought up, was

630
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 4: it takes so much pressure off when you when you

631
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 4: can be yourself. Because when I left drama school, you know,

632
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 4: doing Gallipoli and that sort of stuff. I was like,

633
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 4: I'm an actor, I will act well at my pants

634
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 4: off in every situation.

635
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

636
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 4: But one of the greatest things I've ever heard is

637
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 4: that you will never be a more interesting actor than

638
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: you are a person.

639
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that and that's who they want to cast.

640
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 4: Like, you go in there and they'll see you being yourself,

641
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 4: adding whatever you want to, what interests you to the role,

642
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: your version of the role, and that's that's why you'll

643
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 4: be cast. You'll never be cast because you do what

644
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: you think their version of the role is.

645
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: And then and the next point was actually you said audition,

646
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: and you said, like, often you'll read something it's like, well,

647
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: this character is seven foot tall and really baff or

648
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: something that you think that you're not. And often doing

649
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: that audition might mean that you get called in for

650
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: the next.

651
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you're always kind of auditioning for the next one,

652
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: you know. So you go in there and you do

653
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 4: the best that you can, and you might not be

654
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: right for it, but you might be right for the

655
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 4: next one. And that's happened to me a couple of

656
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 4: times with when I was in drama school. I was

657
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: lucky enough to audition for Squeaze Tailor for Thunderbelly series,

658
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 4: and I got very close to playing playing him, and

659
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 4: that was in my third year of drama school. So

660
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 4: that was an incredible experience getting flown, you know, back

661
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 4: and forth and get a taste of the audition process.

662
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: And then I missed out on that one. But then

663
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 4: Anzac Girls came along through that and then Gallipoli and yeah,

664
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: so it's always yeah, it's you know, it's really heartbreaking,

665
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 4: and we're talking about failure and stuff, and you know,

666
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 4: when you don't get a role, it can feel like failure.

667
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 4: But you know, as long as you take you learn

668
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: something from every experience, it's.

669
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: Not a failure, is it? So totally you can't.

670
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: It takes a long time to kind of build up

671
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 4: that resilience, I guess, and not taking things personally and

672
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 4: knowing that it is you're getting better with every experience

673
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 4: rather than I have to nail every audition, I have

674
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 4: to get every job. It's like no, no, this is

675
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 4: making me a better actor than a human totally.

676
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: And one thing I've learned at drama school is these

677
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: styles of humans are really good at beating themselves up anyway.

678
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's how we do it.

679
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's like going easy on yourself because there's

680
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 5: an element of also like trusting and throwing caution to

681
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 5: the wind and kind of going I've done the work,

682
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 5: let's just let it fly now, you know.

683
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and yeah.

684
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 4: Something that took me so long to I guess to

685
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 4: know that it was okay to do and I guess

686
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 4: to work up the courage to do was to take

687
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: risks and to know it might not be perfect. You

688
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 4: might not nail it every time. I think, especially in Australia,

689
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 4: and I guess it's everywhere, like there's not a lot

690
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 4: of money, so you feel like you have to be

691
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 4: perfect or you're not going to get the role. You

692
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 4: feel like you can't do anything that interests you. You

693
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: can't put your own little flare on it because that

694
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 4: might ruin your chances for next time. So I've gotten

695
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: to the point where I'm really enjoying doing things that

696
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 4: adding what I want to add to these roles. And

697
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 4: you know, with Bloody Hell got to finish and play

698
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: Twins and.

699
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: I on the trailer it looks so fun.

700
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: So it's like comedy and horror.

701
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: Right, yes, Yeah, and.

702
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: So was it shot in Australia, even though it was

703
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: American accents.

704
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 3: Yes, so that was shot.

705
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was shot in Queensland as well, some

706
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: studios up there.

707
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: How long did that take to shoot?

708
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: That was about six weeks I think, and now a

709
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: couple of weeks.

710
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 2: I'm asking really random questions.

711
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: But it's just so nice that you're so open and

712
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: it's so fascinating to hear the bts of it that

713
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: we often don't have access to.

714
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 4: And oh yeah, I don't mind sharing anything.

715
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: No, I think that's a superpower. I love it. On

716
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: your list as well, you said like be respectful, and

717
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: I think in this world there is a bit of ego,

718
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: and you touched on it when you were talking about

719
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: working with Angelina Joli and how she was.

720
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: You hear like, people that are of that level.

721
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: Of success can often be dickheads, but she was the

722
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: pole opposite by the sounds of the y. So yeah,

723
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: I get where you're bringing the b respectful point out.

724
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: But do you find there are egos in this industry?

725
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 4: Look in Australia most of the time there's a pretty

726
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 4: like blanket no dickhead rule policy, which is awesome because

727
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 4: we just don't have time, you know, and for the crew,

728
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: and it's too hot, it's too hard, it's so everything,

729
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: Like you don't want to rock up and have to

730
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 4: do your job and then deal with someone like that

731
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: as well. Like of course there are people like that,

732
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: but I think I think everything's changing, Like I don't

733
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 4: think that's as tolerated as Yeah, I think we're past

734
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 4: the era of mega super movie stars. Like you know,

735
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: you'll get them, they'll pop up, but like if you

736
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 4: don't want to work with somebody, you're not going to

737
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 4: get them back. And I hope that's yeah, And I

738
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 4: think that's where a big like these are. Yeah, these

739
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 4: are people who don't treat I think, don't treat everybody

740
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 4: with the respect that is a like one thing that

741
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 4: I always try to do is treat everybody on set

742
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 4: with the same amount of respect as I treat my mum.

743
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 4: Like that's something I always tell the younger actors. It's like,

744
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 4: you know, pick up your clothes in the in the

745
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 4: costume room, like, don't leave shit line around, don't. Yeah,

746
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 4: just be nice, Like everybody's job is just as important

747
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 4: as yours. Any actor who thinks they're the most important

748
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: person on sets, not a you know, not doing it

749
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 4: for the right reasons.

750
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: Totally.

751
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: Again, it comes back to this list of like I

752
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: feel like this is a like a life hack list,

753
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: not just for.

754
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: Ye and my favorite one. Well, I know I've.

755
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: Got a few favorites, but I love that expect nothing,

756
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: appreciate everything.

757
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that's powerful.

758
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: If you go in without expectation, then everything's a bonus.

759
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think.

760
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: That ties into taking taking away from every opportunity, like

761
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 4: take you know, make sure you learn something.

762
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: Just appreciate everything that you've got.

763
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 4: It's not like, oh I missed that I didn't get

764
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 4: that role because I'm not good. It's like, well, I

765
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 4: didn't get the role, but I'd learn a bunch doing it.

766
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 3: And I think.

767
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 4: Jumping back to people, you know that people when you

768
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: come across these people on set, it's usually people.

769
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: Who are quite entitled.

770
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 4: They're like, yep, I should be here. I'm meant to

771
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: be here. I deserve to be here. Like obviously, if

772
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: you've done the work and you've earned it, you deserve

773
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: to be there. But I think, yeah, expecting nothing takes

774
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: that pressure off. Yeah, in auditions and roles and it's like, well,

775
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 4: I'm just going to go in there do my best.

776
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 4: Probably nothing will come f from it, like the ninety

777
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 4: five percent with the other ones, when nothing comes from it,

778
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: but if something does, great.

779
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a great attitude to have.

780
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when it does happen, it's even better.

781
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

782
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: Well that was unexpected, totally.

783
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So your next project is Bloody how which we

784
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: just touched on. So that's out the eighth of October,

785
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 1: is that right?

786
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 4: Yes, all over Australia except Victoria, I think at the month.

787
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: So we'll see. Yeah.

788
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 4: So hopefully i'll start plugging some stuff soon when the

789
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 4: trailer gets released and have some more info and yeah,

790
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 4: eighth of October.

791
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: Awesome.

792
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: And so you play Finish Twins right I do?

793
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: Yes?

794
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: How on earth did you go with learning of Finish accent?

795
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 4: It was very difficult and I didn't I didn't have

796
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: to learn a Finish accent. I just had to learn

797
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 4: Finish so I don't speak any English.

798
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: Oh wow, amazing.

799
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 4: So that was a really interesting Like I always love

800
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: to challenge myself, but this was a particular one that

801
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 4: I may have almost pushed it a little bit too far.

802
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 4: I was doing a play at the time, of auditioning

803
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 4: where I had to learn Italian.

804
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: Like proper Italian as well, like not an accent, wow, no.

805
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: Like yeah, learning learning, So it was just as fast,

806
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 4: this really fun sort of fast comedy where I had

807
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: to learn a whole bunch of Italian for it. And

808
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: then this audition came through and I was like, oh, yeah,

809
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: I can learn a finish accent great whilst trying to

810
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 4: learn Italian, and my brain just started to just get packed.

811
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 4: And then I did it and got a call back

812
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: and they're like, no, no, it's in finish, you can you learn?

813
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: You just learned all this finish and I was my

814
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 4: brain was about to explode. And I remember my final callback.

815
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 4: It was just a self tape, which means you just

816
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 4: do it at home, Yeah, send it off. And I

817
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 4: just come back from a huge day of rehearsals and

818
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 4: they sent through the finish and like you're playing it

819
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 4: and Emma, the accent and dialect coach, you know, she

820
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 4: was speaking the finish and it's so fast and it's

821
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: so tricky, and my brain was broken and I was like, oh,

822
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: this might be the first time I ever have to

823
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 4: pull out of doing an audition. And then I was like, no,

824
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 4: I'll just I don't think there's going to be any

825
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 4: benefit to wait, Let's just do it now. So I

826
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 4: went downstairs. Nobody was home, so I had to do

827
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 4: the audition by myself, and I just wrote the finished phonetically,

828
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 4: which is just writing the sounds up and sticky take

829
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 4: them around the room.

830
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: I was doing these scenes.

831
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 4: Just reading a little bits and pieces and that's the

832
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 4: only way I could get through. And then later I

833
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 4: edited my housemate's voice into the audition, so it sounded

834
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 4: like I had somebody there with me, and it was

835
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 4: really interesting.

836
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 3: I think what got me the role is that I edited.

837
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 4: I used Ironmovie and edited myself in twice, so I

838
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 4: had one side of the camera and then the other

839
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 4: side of the camera, so it looked it looked like

840
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 4: I was twins, and really I find twins, I found

841
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: out later just just for time and money restrictions, and

842
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 4: they were really struggling. So when that audition came through,

843
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 4: they're like great, yeah, yes, and then they realized that

844
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 4: I was just one person.

845
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: Oh wow, So when you shot that, did they because

846
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: you're obviously playing twins, do you have to shoot it twicel? Like,

847
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: how does it work shooting, Yeah, twins.

848
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: So it's always been a dream. I think it's every

849
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 4: actor's dream to play twins. And I was really interested

850
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 4: in the process and I was like, oh great, that's gonna.

851
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 3: Be so cool.

852
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 4: There's gonna you know, there's going to be heaps of

853
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: time to like transition between characters, and because I tried

854
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 4: to make the characters as different as possible, because you know,

855
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: on paper, I think what they wanted to go for

856
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 4: in the beginning was kind of like those you know

857
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 4: horror movie twins where it's like they move in.

858
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: Sync and you know, they speak.

859
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 4: But I was like, how can I turn that on

860
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 4: its head and do the most opposite thing possible?

861
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 3: So I made them very different.

862
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: Oh cool.

863
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, So on set, I was like, great, this is

864
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 4: going to be a really cool process. And you know,

865
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 4: being Australian film and I'm sure it's on every film.

866
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 4: There's no time. So I'd finished one twin and I'm like, hey,

867
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 4: you know where the costume place is, run to it,

868
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: get changed, come back.

869
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 3: And do it, you know.

870
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 4: But everybody was as supportive and that it can be

871
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 4: with costume and make up and the director and the producers.

872
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: But it was just like, we don't have time, let's

873
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 3: just do it now.

874
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 4: So it was good and it was a really great

875
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 4: lesson of being able to just like go, okay, well

876
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 4: I don't have time to overthink.

877
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 3: This, just just do it, yeah in the moment.

878
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, which I think really helped you help the performance

879
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 4: in parts and yeah, but yeah, sorry. How they do

880
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 4: do it is a lot of the time they just shoot.

881
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 4: When the film does come out and you'll see it

882
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: is that they shoot like two sides of the camera,

883
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 4: so as one twin will be on the right right

884
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 4: and then you know, on the left for the other,

885
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: and then they can.

886
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: Just split screen.

887
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 4: It kind of how I did did it in the audition,

888
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 4: but a lot more complicated.

889
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: They I can't wait.

890
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see this now. I'm very excited.

891
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

892
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 4: And I got to see it a few weeks ago

893
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 4: in Queensland and with the cast and crew screening, and

894
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 4: it's great.

895
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: It's awesome. It's so much fun. I think people are

896
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: really going to love it.

897
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 4: And it's like it's a pretty niche sort of area,

898
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 4: but I think it's fun for everybody.

899
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: And we need fun right now too.

900
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 3: It's a perfect time for it.

901
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, So do you have any dreams of like, and

902
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: I know this is a really weird time to ask

903
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: this because of all the COVID stuff, but do you

904
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: have any dreams of heading overseas and pursuing your career

905
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: over there because you've done so much in Australia.

906
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think absolutely. I think most actors do, just

907
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 4: because it's a bigger pool. There's more work, you know,

908
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 4: there's more money for these productions, so they're kind of

909
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: a grander scale. And I love living in Australia so much,

910
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 4: so if I can keep working here forever, I would.

911
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: But but I definitely would.

912
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: I'm working on my visa application at the moment and

913
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 4: stuff like that.

914
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 3: That it is so full.

915
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: I just got my green card, dude, it is congratulations.

916
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: It has been a three year process process.

917
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm at the beginning. So great, I'll see

918
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: you in three years. Yeah, full on, it's full on,

919
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 3: like absolutely, definitely open to that.

920
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 4: But I've started to try and and I think COVID's

921
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 4: really pushed me to do this. Take the reins a

922
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 4: little bit more on my career and my trajectory.

923
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 3: So I've started writing a.

924
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: Lot you've directed to haven't you?

925
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 4: Sort of men to Mate just made a short film

926
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: for called pinnapp Island. No, it is something I'd really

927
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 4: be keen to move into, but at the moment just

928
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 4: kind of using this downtime to focus on writing and

929
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 4: kind of upskilling and learning the producing sort of wrotes

930
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 4: and so I me and a friend have got a

931
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 4: film that I've written that we're hoping to shoot and

932
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 4: like super Indian in January December kind of time, which

933
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: is cool.

934
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 3: What's that called that?

935
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 4: It's a working title at the moment's called unsaid, but

936
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 4: it's been a very loose process, so it's kind of

937
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 4: one of those films where it's like it will name

938
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 4: itself during the shoot.

939
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: I write books, and usually you have a writing I'm

940
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: writing a book at the moment, and you have a

941
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: working title for like nearly the whole manuscript, and it's

942
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: not till like the last month or so that they're like, all.

943
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: Right, let's go with this title.

944
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, that's that's normal.

945
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you say that you're interested in producing

946
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: as well, because I kind of feel like directing, writing, acting.

947
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: I feel like that's there's similarities whereas I feel like

948
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: producing that's like a completely different skill set.

949
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think it's more just an awareness of

950
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 4: how it all works is what I'm really interested in,

951
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 4: because that like the more you understand on set, And

952
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 4: that's kind of whenever I chat to younger actors, is

953
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: you know, just when you get on set, just pay attention.

954
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: To as many people as possible, and.

955
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 4: The way, you know, if you understand how it works,

956
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 4: you can make it as through the process for everybody

957
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: else and with with time and that sort of stuff.

958
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 4: You know, if you know how to light in guys

959
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: work and you know how sound all works and when

960
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 4: you should be places and what they need to do

961
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 4: and what's stressing the producers out and that sort of stuff.

962
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 4: So yeah, directing and writing would probably be more of

963
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: an avenue I'd follow fully totally. But producing it's just

964
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 4: kind of helping produce this film. I'm just kind of

965
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 4: learning as much as I can about it.

966
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, and at such a young age, like that's

967
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 1: pretty young to be playing with producing as.

968
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 4: Well, I reckon, Yeah, it just it's kind of yeah,

969
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 4: and I think I was heading that way anyway. I'd

970
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: started writing at the start of the year before everything

971
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 4: sort of shut down, which was really good. I think

972
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 4: if everything shut down and I hadn't started writing, I

973
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 4: might not have been in the swing of it. And

974
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 4: I go, no, I'm not doing anything for this, you know,

975
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 4: because there was such a lot of pressure on everybody,

976
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 4: and I think people were feeling the pressure of like, oh,

977
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 4: there's nothing to do. What should I Now I've got

978
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 4: time to do all these really amazing things, which is

979
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,479
Speaker 4: horrible pressure to put on people. But I was lucky

980
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 4: that I'd started earlier, so I was kind of in

981
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 4: the swing of it. So it was something that I

982
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 4: always wanted to kind of move into. But having the

983
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 4: time with the shutdown and everything, yeah, just has given

984
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 4: me time to just Yeah.

985
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: I wanted to try and.

986
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: Always make it as productive as possible and just learn

987
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 4: learn something throughout this time.

988
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: Totally, it sounds like you've nailed that. She sounds like

989
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: you've done. Can I ask, and I know You've already

990
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: done so many awesome things.

991
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: What would be like a bucket list goal kind of

992
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: dream working for you that you haven't ticked off yet?

993
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: Like HBO is always an incredible, incredible show. I was

994
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 4: really lucky I did an AMC show. I did The

995
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 4: Preacher a couple of years ago, so that was a

996
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 4: tick off. Yeah, so hbo. But what I really like,

997
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 4: I'm a huge Pixar fan. I just think Pixar is

998
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 4: the best thing in the world, and I think they're

999
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 4: so smart. Like working with kids in my part time job, like,

1000
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 4: I think what Pixar have done really well is just

1001
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 4: being able to get through to kids and adults at

1002
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 4: the same.

1003
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: Time, really hard issues.

1004
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, so like I'd love to I'd love to voice

1005
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 4: a Pixar films.

1006
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, big time. I reckon that'd be epic.

1007
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: So h and you've got that full I remember it

1008
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: the first time I saw Happy Feet. I don't know

1009
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: if that's Pixel or not, but I remember Steve Irwin

1010
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: was a voice as like a walrus or something, and

1011
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, life goal.

1012
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: I want to be a voice.

1013
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so good, Thank you so much. It

1014
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: has gone so fast. I'm going to end with I

1015
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: know a lot of my kind of like classmates will

1016
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: be listening to this with very eager ears. And I

1017
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: sent to my scene partner we're working on Tennessee Williams

1018
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: at the moment, and I sent him your my scene partner,

1019
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: your show real and he's.

1020
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god. So we're all very.

1021
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: We're all in our infancy about kind of like journey.

1022
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: And I just if you've got any advice for people

1023
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: that are studying acting or even just a creative person

1024
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of like, oh, this is kind of something

1025
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: I want to explore.

1026
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 3: What would it be? Yeah.

1027
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 4: I think a really big lesson that I've learnt is

1028
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 4: to not take yourself too seriously. Really be flexible with

1029
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 4: everything you do, Like it's great that you guys are studying,

1030
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 4: like you're already taking a first step, like you always

1031
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 4: have to do the work. Over the last few years,

1032
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 4: I've really learned that experience is what you get paid

1033
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 4: in as an actor. Like, you know, we're not in

1034
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 4: it to be rich because none of us are going

1035
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 4: to be rich, you know, in Australia unless you're you know,

1036
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 4: a megastar. So being okay with doing free short films

1037
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: you know, do is free play reads. Just always keep

1038
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 4: working because that's how you're going to grow. And a

1039
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 4: lot of a lot of the films that I've worked on,

1040
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 4: I've come from doing short films with producers that I've

1041
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: become friends with and they just kind of snowball and so,

1042
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 4: you know, you always have to have pride in your work,

1043
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 4: but don't be too proud. Don't be like, no, I'm

1044
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 4: an actor, I won't work in a cafe. I want

1045
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 4: I want to do things for free, because that's what

1046
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 4: we are when you know, glorified barristas. Like you know,

1047
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 4: I'm working in a cafe for so long, poured so

1048
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 4: many beers work at a daycare now to pay rent

1049
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 4: in between gigs. Know, I think there's a bit of

1050
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 4: a stigma with actors. It's like, no, you know, we've

1051
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 4: got to be these clamorous sort of things. And it's

1052
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 4: not like it's not glamorous. It's a lot of fun

1053
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 4: and it's amazing. But you've got to be okay with

1054
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 4: putting in the work. And sometimes the work won't be

1055
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 4: acting work, just be pouring a beer so you can

1056
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 4: pay rent and pay for your classes and.

1057
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, so just be open to everything.

1058
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.

1059
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, my pleasure.

1060
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: It's been a total total honor to have you on

1061
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: and you've shared so much of your heart with us

1062
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: and your journey. I cannot wait to keep following your

1063
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: journey because I am just.

1064
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: Yet.

1065
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: You've got another fan over here, so thank you so much.

1066
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: You've got a fan too. Thank you, you're alleged. Thanks

1067
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: for having me.

1068
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 4: It's really lovely to be here and it's great chat.

1069
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 3: Thank you anytime.

1070
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: And in the show notes, I'm going to put some

1071
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: of your work in the show notes so people can

1072
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: check out some of your stuff. And the trailer i'm

1073
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: sure will be out for Bloody Hell by now, so

1074
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to I can see it.

1075
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: Awesome. Thank you so much, big love bye. That's love.

1076
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: Chat you soon, bte.

1077
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

1078
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

1079
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo lollaberry. This potty my word

1080
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Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love

1081
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: it if you could subscribe, rate and comment and of

1082
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,080
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