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Speaker 1: government lines. It was created back in twenty nineteen as

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Speaker 1: part of the then Labor government's ten year domestic violence strategy,

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Speaker 1: and the forum met quarterly and allowed frontline organizations to

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Speaker 1: dissolution of that forum effective immediately. Now joining me on

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Speaker 1: the show is the opposition leader Selena Ubo. Good morning

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Speaker 1: to you. Oh, let's try that again. Hopefully we're able

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Speaker 1: a moment. Good morning, Selena. All right, just having some

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Speaker 1: Let's try this. Good morning, Selena. No, we're having some issues.

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Speaker 1: I'm not too sure what's gone on there, but we

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, I'm just going to play you a

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Speaker 1: from Robin Carl the Minister on Friday, take a listen.

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Speaker 2: We've seen the result of that work over the past decade,

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Speaker 1: So hopefully we're able to head across to the opposition

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Speaker 3: It actually devisal common sense that Robin kale, as the

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Speaker 1: Honest, so we had her on the show on Friday.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure whether you heard that audio. I might

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Speaker 3: I'm really disappointed with the comments that Robin Kale has

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Speaker 3: But it's not just an Aboriginal issue, Katie. Unfortunately, domestic

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Speaker 3: It's that influence of that reduction framework. As I said,

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Speaker 1: Would you say to listeners this morning, because they're already

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Speaker 3: Why not try resourcing the sector? Katie?

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Speaker 1: That's what why die to the last day years? Selena

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Speaker 1: All Right, We're going to move along because there is

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Speaker 3: So when it comes to those violent crimes. Unfortunately, we're

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Speaker 1: this petition has been sent to me by some expectant mums.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, I haven't seen that petition, but absolutely I

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Speaker 3: medical profession about what the impact of this decision will be. Again,

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Speaker 3: the Steelpit government is silent on this. Why are they

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Speaker 3: plans are. How is there going to be support for

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Speaker 3: expectant mums and families when it comes to the choice

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Speaker 3: of maternity care in the Northern Territory Again another issue

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Speaker 3: they're silent about. Well, we'll keep asking those questions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, we we certainly put in a request

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Speaker 1: to have the Health Minister Steve Edgington on so we

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Speaker 1: will keep at that. Selena Rubo, the opposition leader. Good

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Speaker 1: to speak with you this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much, Katie