1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: This is outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: That is so fetch thank you. Is anyone else feeling 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: extremely confused about what day it is, what we're meant 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: to be doing. I mean, thank god we've got the podcast, 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: because I feel like I have just been doing nothing. Yeah. Well, 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: we put a meme up on our Facebook page and 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: it was basically saying that between the twenty six to 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: the thirtieth, you're just filled with cheese and you're just confused, 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: and that's how I feel at this exact moment. I'm 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: also like counting down the days till I have to 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: go back to my full time job, and I'm kind 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 1: of dreading it. I personally hate this time of where 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: you're kind of in limbo. Yes, I like holidays, but 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: I just feel a bit lost. I've actually been embracing it. 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: I was like, stuffer. I haven't got back into my workouts, 20 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: which I'm gonna I keep telling myself, I've got to 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: clean out my workout room because I've just moved and 22 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff in it. So that's my excuse. 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: But I would be getting back into my workouts when 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: the new year starts. But other than that, I've just 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: been eating like trifle and watching the Queens gam But 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: I've just been shopping really during the Boxing day sales, 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: and it was really sad. I walked past the Christmas 28 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: trees yesterday and I said to Dale, is it sad 29 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: that my heart hurts knowing that these trees are going 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: to be taken down? And he said, yes, it's not sad. 31 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: I feel exactly the same. I always go through a 32 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: little bit of like I don't want to use the 33 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: word depression, but you know, sadness when Christmas ends, because 34 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: I feel like there's so many things to look forward to, 35 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: and you're always busy and there's parties and presents and 36 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: things to organize, and then, as you said, it's just 37 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: this nothingness. And it's the lead up that I like 38 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: the most, because I mean, you know, after Christmas Day, 39 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: you're kind of over the actual day itself, like you 40 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: could not do it the next day, you couldn't back 41 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: it up. Well, I think Boxing Day is such a 42 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: great day because you have that time to actually relax, 43 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: look at your presence and potentially do you know, have 44 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: some leftovers. But then I think once Boxing Day's over, 45 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: it's just nothingness until New Year's Eve. Well, I went 46 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: to put Hughes on the twenty seventh, and as soon 47 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: as I got home, I saw my Christmas tree and 48 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: I just had that feeling of I just wanted to 49 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: get it down because it was making me feel sad. Yeah, 50 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: I feel the same, except minds relatively new. It's looking 51 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: very fresh. So I think I might pack up the 52 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Christmas decorations that are like not associated with the tree, 53 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: but keep the tree up until after New Year's Well, 54 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: my thoughts actually turned to what bargains are going to 55 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: be on Facebook market place relating to Christmas. So I'm 56 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: more thinking ahead about how I'm gonna make Christmas twenty 57 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: twenty one the best, because, let's be honest, Christmas twenty 58 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: twenty it wasn't that great in terms of all the 59 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: lead up with COVID. I feel like twenty twenty one 60 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: Christmas hopefully will be amazing. We're gonna be talking more 61 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: in depth about our Christmas and our thoughts around Christmas 62 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: and also what influencers were doing for Christmas on our 63 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: Thursday's final episode of a very outspoken Christmas. So you 64 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: can tune in then Ristmas one more time, Kate, Do 65 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: you know what? I was listening to Sefron Barker's podcast 66 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: with her Mum, and I noticed that she says Christmas 67 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: really funny, like the mom she goes Christmas. I love 68 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: that podcast. I feel like we need to put it 69 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: down as a recommendation in our notes because it's actually 70 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: really really funny. Yeah, isn't it called Mum told me 71 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: to do it or something Mum made me do it. 72 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: So you've ever DM me something like that? No, I 73 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: have your fucking information? No, I have your information. No, 74 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: I have your fucking photo and I have your username. No, 75 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: I have it? Know that I have it? Well, can't 76 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: we to submit this evidence to police? Not even fucking kidding? 77 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: In a world first, the Australian federal government has proposed 78 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: neutrolling laws that will see cyberbullies face hefty fines and 79 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: social media platforms held responsible. The move, which is aimed 80 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: at saving lives has influences across Australia talking Okay, can 81 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: you talk us through what these new laws mean. These 82 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: proposed a massive for social media in Australia. If an 83 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: individual ignores a direction to remove trolling behavior, they face 84 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: a massive fine of one hundred and eleven thousand dollars. 85 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: It's also really interesting because the government actually has the 86 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: power to unmask the trolls, which we have never seen before. 87 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: So it's really promising for people who have been bullied online. 88 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: I think doing this podcast, I have uncovered that there 89 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: are so many fake troll accounts. So many people message 90 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: us with no photo on their Instagram account about certain 91 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: influences that you can tell then use those accounts to 92 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: go and bully them. Yeah. So what's going to happen 93 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: now is if an account like that has been caught 94 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: sending an influencer or a celebrity or anybody in particular 95 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: a message, Facebook will be able to trace that account 96 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: back to the IP address. So this is huge, So 97 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: people aren't going to be able to hide behind these 98 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: fake accounts anymore. Well, the other side of it is 99 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: websites or social media platforms who ignore the direction also 100 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: can be fined up to five hundred and fifty five 101 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. I think that one is absolutely massive because 102 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 1: you think about their number of trolling comments that appear 103 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: on news platforms. But in saying that, from working at 104 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: Channel seven News, you can also see what a huge 105 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: job it is to moderate all of those comments. So 106 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: I think that there will be a lot of new 107 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: social media jobs popping up in the not too distant future, 108 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: but it's up to Facebook to remove it. So the 109 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: onus is going to be placed on the social media platforms. 110 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: And what's really interesting is it's not just huge social 111 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: media platforms like Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. They've also made laws 112 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: against sites that have online gaming. So well, that's more 113 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: specifically around children, isn't it. Yeah, it is. So it 114 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: made me think, though there are so many forums out 115 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: there like tattle Life that we've discussed, and there's also 116 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: Facebook groups. I wonder if they're going to be held 117 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: to the same standards that someone like Facebook is going 118 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: to because, as you said, so if that's going to 119 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: cause a lot of stress for people who are having 120 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: to moderate different forums, I mean, I think it's fantastic though. 121 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: I mean, so these platforms, I mean this sort of 122 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: behavior is not acceptable in real life, why then is 123 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: it acceptable online? It is really important to note that 124 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: content needs to be serious enough to breach the Criminal Code. 125 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: I am really interested to see the final legislation on 126 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: this one to see what the government actually classify as 127 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: cyber bullying, because it is really broad. Well, the draft 128 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: of the bill actually defines cyber abuse as material and 129 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: ordinary reasonable person would conclude is menacing, harassing, or offensive 130 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: and likely and intended to harm an individual. So the 131 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: example they've given is someone sharing revenge porn. Now, this 132 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: proposed legislation is also being put in place to stamp 133 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: out violent and offensive material found on social media, such 134 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: as child abuse material, terrorism material. So we all remember 135 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: the christ Church mosque shooting that was live streamed on 136 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: Facebook and it was left up for a considerable amount 137 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: of time. So this legislation is put in place, so 138 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: vision like that will need to be taken down within 139 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. All those fines will be put in place. Well, 140 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: we saw it most recently on TikTok with that a 141 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: video of a man committing suicide managed to find its 142 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: way on the platform and a lot of kids are 143 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: watching it. So it's very good that they're going to 144 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: be getting rid of that type of content quickly. It 145 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: just seems crazy to me that it's taken this long 146 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 1: for it to happen, and that it is a world 147 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: first in Australia, because I mean, it's crazy to me 148 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: that the behavior that we deem unacceptable in real life 149 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: is somehow acceptable on this different platform. Because I don't 150 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: think it's good enough to say anymore or just jump 151 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: off the platform if you don't like it, because all 152 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: of our lives are so ingrained in that. I mean, 153 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: we run our business online. If we were to delete 154 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: our Facebook page and Instagram because the trolling, we wouldn't 155 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: be able to make your living anymore on there. Well, 156 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: one person who is very much for these laws is 157 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: nine News presenter Aaron Molan, and she was recently on 158 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: sixty Minutes talking about the awful cyber abuse she's received, 159 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: and she was saying basically that she can cop comments online. 160 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: You know she can. She's not saying that people shouldn't 161 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: be allowed to have free speech, but she's saying when 162 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: comments are sent to her about people raping her young 163 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: daughter or wanting to kill her, that's when it gets 164 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: to the point where something needs to happen and people 165 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: need to step in. I mean, I think we've all 166 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: got common sense in regard to these laws. Comments that 167 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: cross a line like that are just no longer acceptable, 168 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: and they should never have been acceptable in the first place. 169 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: Exactly right. And another person who is also really happy 170 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: about those laws being introduced as Abbi Chatfield. Now, she 171 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: has been very open on the fact that she has 172 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: been keeping a Google driver every abusive and vile comment 173 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: she has received since appearing on The Bachelor, and she 174 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: said that she is all ready to go to send 175 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: those comments to the police. I mean, I believe, And 176 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: she also pointed out the fact that she doesn't think 177 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: that they can do anything for comments that have previously 178 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: been made, but she is just so happy that finally 179 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: she doesn't have to wake up to death threats and 180 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: there's no punishment for those people. Well, then again, obviously, 181 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: as you say, these people aren't necessarily going to face 182 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: any consequences at the moment, but I feel like those 183 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,479 Speaker 1: are the sort of people who are probably ongoing perpetrators 184 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: of that type of harassment, so it is great that 185 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: they will no longer be able to do it. Well, 186 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: what I found really interesting is Abby shared a lengthy 187 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: Instagram video about her saying, you know, I've got your comment, 188 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: I've got your comment, so you just kind of wait 189 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: for the punishment. And then she shared a screen shot 190 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: of everyone that was deleting comments that they sent to her. 191 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, it was like, this person's removed the comment. 192 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,239 Speaker 1: This person. I was like, oh my gosh, that's hilarious. 193 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't that just show that people are taking these 194 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: proposed laws pretty seriously If that's the response, I mean, 195 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: that's what the government will want to be seeing the 196 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: fact that people are retracting these comments immediately. That being said, 197 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: I think the real test will be when someone is 198 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: actually fined and how many people start to get fined 199 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: well exactly right. I mean, we've got to remember that 200 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: the fines are only if the troll or the social 201 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: media platform or website don't actually take down the comments. 202 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: So you can actually still write a rude comment, but 203 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: then you have to take it down within twenty four hours. 204 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: So I feel like there's a little bit of leeway 205 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: that people are still going to be getting away with 206 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: this harassing behavior. Sadly, on Christmas Day, Georgia Loved, the 207 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: former bachelorette received a disgusting message from a troll. He 208 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: actually sent the message in their own account, and he wrote, 209 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: You're a whore, fu slut, watch back. I'm coming for 210 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: you with a sledgey. Now does that mean a sledge 211 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: not a surgy? No, you means a sledgehammer. It's just 212 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: well anyway, now that you understood the message. I love 213 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: the fact that, firstly, Georgia Love pointed out that he 214 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: used the wrong you're, which is fantastic. She also said, 215 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas. I won't stop naming and shaming you discussing controlls. 216 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: I'm reporting every single one and I hope you get fined. 217 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: I just find it so vile that people have to 218 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: put up with this on a regular basis, and I'm 219 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: so happy that this type of behavior hopefully it will 220 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: be stopped. Well. I actually read recently that cyberbulling has 221 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: increased over COVID, which it's not really surprising, is it. 222 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 1: But I'm assuming that maybe the recent state with Christmas 223 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: and with people having to isolate in Sydney, maybe that 224 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: sparked a lot of these messages, which isn't isn't an excuse, 225 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: but It's a different look at society, isn't it. I 226 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: did see someone message celeb spell check, you know when 227 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: she does her q and as, and they asked her, 228 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: are you worried about these new laws? And I think 229 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: that shows people don't actually understand what the law is. Yeah, 230 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: that's the thing. People are still allowed to make commentary. 231 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: You're allowed to have free speech. There's a difference between 232 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: having an opinion on something and also telling someone to 233 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: go kill themselves or threatening behavior. That's right. I mean, 234 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: people are still allowed to have opinions and you are 235 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: allowed to be critical of others. It just falls into 236 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: a category of whether you are continually humiliating or abusing 237 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: someone and whether there's psychological abuse. I mean, it's just 238 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, don't do something that 239 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: you wouldn't do to someone in real life or say 240 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: something that you would say to someone in real life. 241 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 3: Well. 242 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: I found that this story took an interesting twist because 243 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: Caitlyn Hope, who appeared on Locky Gilbert series of The Bachelor, 244 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: actually lashed out at other influences following the announcement of 245 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: this news. She said on Wednesday night that many of 246 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: the self appointed cheerleaders for the legislation should take a 247 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: look in the mirror and think about their own toxic behavior. 248 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: So she didn't actually name anyone, but there's a lot 249 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: of talk that she is referring to Jamie Doran, who 250 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: appeared on the most recent series of Bachelor in Paradise. 251 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: So Caitlyn's Instagram post read, if your reality stars are 252 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: going to post about the trolling fines, at least don't 253 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: be control yourself and be a bully to others and 254 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: condone bullying, and maybe start with not bullying people from 255 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: your own franchise or industry, including me on podcasts. Get 256 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: a grip, get a job, and let go of the 257 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: foul ego and look in the mirror first before sharing 258 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: something that is a delusional impression of who you really 259 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: are to your innocent fans. What did you guys think 260 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: of this? It's really interesting timing because Jamie has appeared 261 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: in a five part series on the So Dramatic podcast 262 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: and I kind of feel like a lot of the 263 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: Bachelor contestants might be a bit jealous of the amount 264 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: of attention he's receiving and the fact that people are 265 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: starting to suddenly see things from his point of view, 266 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: he's really turned into the Abbey Chatfield of the Bachelorette series, 267 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: because Abby was really unliked originally and now she's got 268 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: a cult following, and it seems like the same thing 269 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: is happening to Jamie. Well, I think it's a bit 270 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: unfair to aim this at Jamie. Who knows who she's 271 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: actually talking about, because from what I heard, Jamie didn't 272 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: say anything awful about her. He was really lovely about 273 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: everyone he spoke about. So who knows who this is 274 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: aimed at. Well, we've I've already mentioned two former Bachelor 275 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: alumnis in Georgia Love and Abby Chatford, who have been 276 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: very vocal about the laws, So I wonder if it's 277 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: got anything to do with them. I do wonder if 278 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: this will entire small people to actually apply for reality 279 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: TV shows now, because I feel like with this legislation 280 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: in place, hopefully people won't be bullied and trolled the 281 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: disgusting extent that they have been. Because personally, if I 282 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: was going to appear in one of those shows, that 283 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: would be something that would put me off. The fact 284 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: that everyday people are receiving death threats over being on 285 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: a television show I hope the UK look at this 286 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: law though, because we've seen so many deaths of UK 287 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: reality TV contestants. So let's see if it works here 288 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: in Australia and hope hopefully other countries adopt it. One 289 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: last thing, these laws did make me think about the 290 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: recent publicity around the Tinder creep Tom Do you guys 291 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: remember him? And how Ebonie Sanderson. She shared to Instagram 292 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: the vile audio messages he sent her. He lost his job, 293 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: he was publicly humiliated. Is this what we're going to 294 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: see happen to the next person, because there's obviously going 295 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: to be the first case where a troll is fine 296 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: and I'm assuming their identity is going to be revealed. Yeah, 297 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: it will be really interesting to see how the government 298 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: actually unmaster them. I feel like they should go into 299 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: like because obviously these laws need to be promoted because 300 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: obviously we're all online and we'll need to know how 301 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: to operate. I mean most people, as you said, there's 302 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: really a no arsehole policy. We know not to go 303 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: tell people to kill themselves. However, for younger people like 304 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: I wonder how teenagers are going to be adapting the stole. 305 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: I feel like there should really be a big name 306 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: and shame Sunny Flores. Sonny Flowers, actually Funny Floores, I'm 307 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: not even jo Let's get into the influence of rap, Sophie. 308 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: What have you got to start with? Well, the first 309 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: story is about former Miss Universe Australia Olivia Rodgers. Now 310 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: she is a mental health advocate and she spoke on 311 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: Boxing Day about the importance of not being caught up 312 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: in the dieting messages that are being put on us 313 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: by influencers at the moment, and she took to in 314 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: her Instagram story to talk about it in the middle 315 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: of her run, and she said that she's just been 316 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: flooded with messages at the moment about sticking to a 317 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: one two hundred calorie diet, about basically punishing yourself for 318 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: enjoying good food over Christmas. And I just felt like 319 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: her message was so important because I think it is 320 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: something that at the end of every year we do 321 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: think about, Oh wow, I've got to be my best 322 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: me in the new year. I've got a diet, I've 323 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: got to get fit. And she just said that you 324 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: should be happy with who you are at the moment. 325 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: You don't need to change. Well, I did see a 326 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: lot of that actually on Boxing Day, because it was like, oh, 327 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: now's the time to punish ourselves for enjoying one day 328 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: of eating, which is absolutely ridiculous, but that does, it 329 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: does get in your head because even with me, who's 330 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: thirty one, I feel quite confident in myself. I was 331 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: sitting there seeing some of this messages thinking, wow, I 332 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: have eaten really badly over Christmas. So it made me 333 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: feel so happy to see her message coming through. Yeah, 334 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: I fully embraced her message because, as I said, I've 335 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,119 Speaker 1: moved house, we've had Christmas. I literally have not exercised 336 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: for over two weeks now, which is quite unlike me 337 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: because I do also like to exercise, so my mental health, 338 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: it's when I feel the best when I do a 339 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: little bit of a workout. But I literally the last 340 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: couple of days have been indulging and I've been like, 341 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: stuff it, I'm not doing that. And that's a thing. 342 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: You should exercise when you want to, and if you 343 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: enjoy it. You shouldn't be exercising to punish yourself and 344 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: burn off all these calories you've eaten over Christmas. One 345 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: of Olivia's followers actually sent her a message following this 346 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: Instagram video and said, well, why not show a real 347 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: photo of you and your gorgeous curvy body. That's so 348 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: much more powerful for so many people. I mean, if 349 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: you actually care about impacting others. So this prompted Olivia 350 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: to put up a question box on her page, and 351 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: she said, I'm interested. Do you find it more helpful 352 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: seeing bodies like mine? And then brackets as I said, white, 353 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: able bodied, and yes I have curves, but I am 354 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: still a size eight. Or is it more helpful to 355 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: hear about the tools and thoughts that have helped me 356 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: in my recovery. I'm assuming the answer is the latter, 357 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: but I could be wrong, so I let me know. 358 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: So one important piece of information we haven't mentioned for 359 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: those who don't follow Olivia is she has struggled with 360 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: disordered eating in the past. I think it's really important 361 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: that Olivia addressed that message because, as she said, she 362 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: is a size eight, which is not considered curvy, and 363 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: I think that there is so much space for people 364 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: who do have curvy bodies to be speaking. And I 365 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: suppose Olivia doesn't want to take that microphone or that 366 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: spotlight away from them to have their point of view. Well, 367 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: to be honest, it really does annoy me because I 368 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: feel like whenever Olivia says anything about body positivity, she 369 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: gets slammed. And I feel like, if you're a size A, 370 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: it seems like you're not allowed to talk about that, 371 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: when I feel like everybody should be talking about it. 372 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: There's parts of everybody's body, despite what size you are, 373 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: that people don't like. Well. I think also people are 374 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: forgetting that she has suffered with disordered eating so and 375 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: she is a survivor of that, and she obviously has 376 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: important information because I find it really powerful the fact 377 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: that I look at her Instagram photos and I think, 378 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: oh my god, could she get any more beautiful? But 379 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: it's showing that it really is a mental health thing. 380 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: I mean, she is probably she's been Miss Universe Australia. 381 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: She's one of the most attractive women in Australia, yet 382 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: she still finds things wrong with her body. And she 383 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: also we spoke about this year she also got slammed 384 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: for being too overweight in a bikini picture. So yeah, 385 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: it's just disgusting. Going back to Olivia pointing out the 386 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: fact that she is a size A, I personally think 387 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: she'd be more frowned upon if she was putting up 388 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: images contorting her body in different ways to make herself 389 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: look bigger than she actually is. Yeah, it's like those 390 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: photos that I think Steph Cleo Smith and Laura hensh 391 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: we are quite known for putting them up where they 392 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: kind of show their stomach sort of rolled out, and 393 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people like, wella's that all you've got? 394 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: Now this is kind of a funny segue. But moving 395 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: into Maura Higgins from Love Ireland, she actually got a 396 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: lot of praise because she shared a photo of her 397 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: bloated stomach after Christmas dinner. Now I related to this 398 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: so much because since Christmas Day, well probably really Christmas Eve, 399 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: my stomach has been in full blow. Oh my god, 400 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: I've been very uncomfortable. I worked out that I had 401 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: four days in the row where I had Christmas pudding, 402 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: and anyone who eats Christmas wooding pudding will know the 403 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: absolute blowing. Well, I remember I said to you, so 404 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: on Boxing Day we decided to make a math sive 405 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: cob dip as well as you know everything else, like 406 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: four different desserts and the main meal. Anyway, I said 407 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: to Zlovie, should I be popping my peppermint tablet now 408 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: before I eat the cob dip to be preventive. Wait wait, now, 409 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: what is your peppermint tablet called? You've got to tell everybody? Well, 410 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: I think I just named what it's called. What de Gas? Well, 411 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: it might be one of them people don't know what 412 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: a peppermint tablet is. Well, yeah, it's it's that they 413 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: need a new branding because it is called Degas, but 414 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: it's meant to like debloat you. And yeah, I actually 415 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: didn't pop one because I just went for it. Well, 416 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: I just I love that with Maura because I felt 417 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: like it was just so relatable, and I think we're 418 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: seeing more of that influence is actually posting that relatable 419 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: stuff because Maura is always posting glamorous photos, so when 420 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: you see stuff like that, you go, yeah, I remember 421 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: why I like her. I feel like we'll be talking 422 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: about this more on Thursday's final Christmas episode. But I 423 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: do love the fact that so many English influencers posted 424 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: the fact that they look like absolute shit on Christmas Day, 425 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: and in saying that, I don't think they looked like shit, 426 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: but they just had no makeup on. They were wearing 427 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: just trackies dressing gowns, and we do forget that it 428 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: is so cold there, so really you would not have 429 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: any reason to dress up if you're just sitting at home. 430 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: But they're in lockdown as well, so it was just 431 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: them and their family. I feel like that would be 432 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: me on Christmas Day if I was in lockdown. But 433 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: then again, we had Szefron Barker wearing a gold sparkly outfit, 434 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: so if you were meant to be talking about this 435 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: on our Christmas Eve, and we'll go more into that 436 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: in Thursday's episode. Well, another thing that popped up on 437 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: my newsfeed that I found particularly interesting was Shannie Grimmin 438 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: talking about how she's taking a break from sponsored posts. 439 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: Now I don't know if this is just over Christmas, 440 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: but she was saying how she kept kind of referring 441 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: to sponsored posts as work, so I suppose she's got 442 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: to do her own little photo shoots and all that 443 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, wieling and dealing with the sponsors. However, 444 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: she said she's finding it really relaxing and fun just 445 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: to get back to basics and putting out content on 446 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: her Instagram stories that's just whatever she wants to post. 447 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. I think that's a great move for 448 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: her brand wise, because we've mentioned it before, but Sharne 449 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: did have a little comeback later this year, but it's 450 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: dropped off again on YouTube and I know notice that 451 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: she and Michael Finch their viewcount is so low. I 452 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: don't know what their engagement is on Instagram, but I 453 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: would feel like Instagram would be their main source of 454 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: income and maybe they've seen their stories drop. Yeah, And 455 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: I think that the smartest move for a lot of 456 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: influencers is to actually stick with a few key ambassador 457 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: roles instead of just flogging yourself out to everyone. But 458 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: at the same time, I think there's a lot of 459 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: talent managers that would hate that because they're not receiving 460 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: as much money possible as they can. Will It'll be 461 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: interesting to see what Sharannee does in the new year, 462 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: because of course she's got her own swimwear brand called 463 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: Silk Swim that I assume would be making quite a 464 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: bit of money for her, so she will obviously be 465 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: contemplating what her step forward is. I mean, she is 466 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: a gym Shark ambassador. You would assume that would be 467 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: a well paid gig. It'll be interesting to see what 468 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: her next move is. I really hope it's relatable YouTube videos. Well, 469 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: talking about relatable or unrelatable. Did anyone see kier McGuire's 470 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: massive makeup bag. I feel like Sophie, that would be 471 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: your makeup. I literally saw it and was like, I 472 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: need to get one of those makeup bags because not 473 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: that I have so much makeup, but my makeup bag 474 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: is always overspilling with stuff. Well, for those who didn't 475 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: see it, Kira posted a sorry, I'm in overflowing, not over. 476 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 1: I was about to correct you. Then, for those who 477 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: didn't see Kira Maguire's Instagram story, she's on a two 478 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: night stay with her boyfriend and she posted this like literal, 479 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: I don't even know how it was, just this bag 480 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: overflowing with makeup and accessories, and she said, does anyone 481 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: else do this or is it just me? Well, I 482 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: went to Portchues for Anny one night and I packed 483 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: this little luggage bag overflowing with clothes, purely because I 484 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: didn't know what we were doing. And I feel like 485 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: you have that thing where you look through your clothes 486 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't know if I'll feel like 487 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: that person today. Oh I made that mistake when I 488 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: went to Melbourne, except I was the opposite. I'm like, oh, 489 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,239 Speaker 1: I'll only bring this in this and Melbourne is so 490 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: unpredictable that you never know what the weather's going to 491 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: be like, and I regretted it. So I think you 492 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: did make the right way. When were you in Melbourne? Oh, 493 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: this was like a year and a half ago, at 494 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: the peak of the pandemic. No, I haven't traveled for 495 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: like nearly two years now. Well, just moving on to 496 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: influence the Sky wheatly, and it seems she doesn't really 497 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: like chores. I could not relate to this more. Sky 498 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: was having a winge to her partner Locky about the 499 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: fact that she just can't believe as an adult that 500 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: she's going to have to always do the washing up 501 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: and the laundry. Now, I've got to say, I feel 502 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: like a dead set legend when I hang the laundry out, 503 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: I always have a huge pile of laundry. It's one 504 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: of those things that just never stops. It's just always messy, 505 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: like it looks like a first job. I can vouch 506 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: for that. I mean, Sophie was so bad at their laundry. 507 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: I used to do it for them when I live 508 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: with them. And then I got to the point where 509 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: did you yes? And then I love this? I love 510 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: this like world According to Kate, Oh, it's true. If 511 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: you did not do everybody watching, if you didn't keep 512 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: her laundry in a little bathtub, if you didn't cut 513 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: me off. I was going to say, I used to 514 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: try and do everyone, and then it got to the 515 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: point where it was so unmanageable that I just did 516 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: my own. That is not true. I love the world. 517 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: According to k I think we just have to agree 518 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: to disagree, because I feel like I do not feel 519 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: I do not agree to it. I feel like you're 520 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 1: getting confusing in your current state because you do all 521 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: the washing in your house. Is that not? Is that 522 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: no normal? Can we put a poll up there? Because 523 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: Sophie and Amy, they will only do their laundry and 524 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: not their boyfriends close. I do both, and Brandon does both. 525 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: We just put whatever the load needs to be. Okay, 526 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: So Sophie and I are on the same page. Amy 527 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: and Dale refuse to do each other's laundry. They would 528 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: do separate washing. It's not that we refuse to do it, 529 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: It's just that I've got my we have separate bathroom, 530 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: so he does his washing separate, and I don't think 531 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with that. Like, to be honest, Brandon 532 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,239 Speaker 1: has the most so many shorts I've never seen someone with. 533 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: He probably has about one hundred pairs of shorts, and 534 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: so many of them are just crappy balley ones. Can 535 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: I just give some advice to people that are moving 536 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: in with their boyfriends, if you don't want to get 537 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: stuck doing their washing, don't do it once because people 538 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: they will just want you to do it again and again. 539 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: I think in a house you kind of get your 540 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: set chores. Like I will not mow the lawn, I 541 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: will not do anything outside. I would prefer to do laundry. 542 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: Let's do that crap. Let's be honest, though, you're not 543 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: mowing the lawn every week, are you? No, you're doing 544 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: the washing every week. That there's a lot of disparity there. 545 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: Well for me, I find that that to me, and 546 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: it all kind of evens itself out. Kate, it's a 547 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: little bit of a hashtags us live. I'm not at all, 548 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 1: to be honest, Reese does a lot of cooking and cleaning. 549 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: We're talking about another Reece and Reese Hawkins, who is 550 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: the famous ex of Tammy Hembro baby daddy of Tammy 551 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: Hair baby daddy of Tammy Hembro. He's just stroped subtly 552 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: on Instagram that he and London are married. It really 553 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: surprised me because usually influencers love to share every step 554 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: of their little journey and we saw nothing about it. 555 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: And it also surprised me because she's pregnant. Well maybe 556 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: it's on their only Fans account. Maybe maybe that's why 557 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: I should we all get people in our community to 558 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: send a dollar in and we could probably subscribe to 559 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: their Only Fans. Look, I don't think it's that expensive, 560 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: so I think that's against the terms and conditions of 561 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: the app as well. Well, I'm wondering if it's for 562 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: immigration purposes because London is from America, so it's probably 563 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: made a little bit easier if they officially get married, 564 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: because it sounds as if their big wedding is coming 565 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: next year. 566 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: I've cleaned the bathroom, I've unpacked does stuff from yesterday 567 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 3: which was just going to sit there for god. 568 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: Knows how long. 569 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 3: So I'm pretty sure you're capable of feeling a few 570 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 3: passes up and putting them in a dish. I'll show 571 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 3: you guys. 572 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: I think that's all we have time for. 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