1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation. Well, Spotify, I use Spotify. Do 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,079 Speaker 1: you know it's the devil's work? Tell me why you 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: think it is? 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: I just like saying it's the devil's work. 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of our artists feel they are underpaid 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: IS and us. 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: It will eventually rip us off, you know that, how well, 8 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 2: just AI will end up being us. 9 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Well, I haven't mentioned II yet. Let me just talk 10 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: about There's two things, one of them is AI. But 11 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: the first thing I want to mention is that the 12 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: Spotify CEO, his name is Daniel k e K. He's 13 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: under fire from artists and industry advocates. He has announced 14 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: an investment of over a billion dollars into a military 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: tech startup developing AI tech for war. So here's a 16 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: guy who's head of the music streaming service with many 17 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: musicians who wouldn't be happy with that. 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, music, it's all about peace and love. 19 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, isn't it? And so this 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: his contribution, his investment has made that small German startup 21 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: one of Europe's most value startups. And other people, of 22 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: course will now be getting part of that. But a 23 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: lot of musicians are bailing out of Spotify because of 24 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: its and a lot of people who subscribe to Spotify 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: are bailing up because of it. As a Sydney artist 26 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: here from the behind the band pool Room has said, 27 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: people talk about no war and they're paying thirteen ninety 28 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: nine a month to a company who's boss is doing 29 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: exactly this. I don't want to fund war with my subscription. 30 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: What a strange investment for him to make when you 31 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: think musicians and people investing in music that seems at 32 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: odds with with AI war technology. True, and speaking of 33 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: AI and Spotify, this is a new band called Velvet Sundown. 34 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: This has gained over nearly five hundred thousand monthly listeners. 35 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: It's been boosted by Spotify's algorithms. It's been featured in 36 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: many playlists. Have a listen sounds a little bit like 37 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: the Teskei Brothers. I like this kind of music that's science. 38 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: Sounds like music you hear at one of those cafes 39 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: where dismissive staff ignore you as you standing there, and 40 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: then they go, yeah, buddy, what do you want see? 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: I like this music. I hate this is another song, 42 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: Well shut up and let me talk. There's another song 43 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: by Bilbert Sunday, The thing that Reddit has discovered is 44 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: that they are fully AI. So the band, I'll give 45 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: you their names. There's a vocalist Gabe Farrow, the guitarist 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: Lenny West, are bassist Milo Rains and a free spirited 47 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: percussionist oriyan Rio del Mar. They're all aixis. There's photos 48 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: of them all AI. The music is all AI. And 49 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,559 Speaker 1: what's what people are horrified about this is that Spotify 50 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: has put this into people's algorithms. It would be for me, 51 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: you'd say, you know, maybe, for example, if you like 52 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: the Teskei Brothers, you might like this, and then it 53 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: leads you into playlists. 54 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: But the brothers are real. 55 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: They're real. But what they're finding too is they're leading 56 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: you into various playlists and so you find that a 57 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: number of the songs you're listening to on playlists are 58 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: AI generated and Spotify doesn't have to pay artists any money. 59 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: Pops in your algo. 60 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: But what they've done here is that they have like 61 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: AI artwork, fake members, but the promotion of it has 62 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: been boosted very much by the playlist and their algorithms. 63 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: So this is turning up on Spotify and people are going, 64 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: they're not even real, They're not even real. 65 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: And they look like they're on drugs. They're looking slightly drawn. 66 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: Imagine they've even made up nicknames Ryan Rio del mar 67 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: so interesting that if you look at that animated that 68 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: might change how you feel about You don't even care. Okay, well, 69 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm passionate about this. 70 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: I'm passionate about it. You won't see me using the AI. 71 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: I don't do that. No, what you do, I'm just 72 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: hard rock and roll. 73 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: What you did with what was your band again, bad 74 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: Element is you just exploited schoolboys for the sake of 75 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: a pizza. You got schoolboys to record your song. No, 76 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: I just chart exploitation. I'm not subscribing from you. The Gazavan, 77 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: they sound great, cut. 78 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: It off and it was good pizza. 79 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: That restaurant equality stuff from the frozen one 80 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: The expensive freeze section at Aldi, not the cheap part.