1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: It's willingwood in one wordyday, guys, it is will and 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Woody here, and this is our new podcast series called 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: in One Word. It's where we ask a guest a 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: really deep and meaningful question, but they're only allowed to 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:16,799 Speaker 1: answer that in one. 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 2: Word, and then they go into it a little bit more. 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 3: It's not just a super short podcast, and we get 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 3: deep on the one word they've given us, and wow, 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: we do. We go deep with former Bachelor star and 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 3: winner of IMA Celebrity Get Me out of Here, Abby Chatfield. 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I reckon. 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: This is arguably the most important chat I've ever had 13 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: with a woman that's close to including my partner as well. 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 3: More important than the decision you made with your partner 15 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: to get into a domestic, an official domestic relationship to 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 3: keep her here from Holland. 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, whoa, So you're partner going to listen to you 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 2: just thinking about that? 19 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 5: I hope not. But look Abby. 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: Abby is incredibly transparent about her sexuality, and then you'll 21 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: hear what the word question is for her, really really surely, 22 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: but she obviously burst onto the TV screens as this villainized, 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: overly sexualized person, and we ask her about that. She's 24 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: immediately portrayed as the villain. She's known mainly for that 25 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: scene on the beach where it's really raunchy TV, and 26 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: then for years's she's ostracized, she's villafied, as I said, and. 27 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: She trolled, she's aggressively, and she's. 28 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: Typecast and yeah, again, I'm not going to give away 29 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: with the question is here. But what I think is 30 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: really interesting about this is that she leans into it. 31 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: Like for anyone that follows her online, you'd think, wow, 32 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: she'd try and to spell this sort of stuff. We 33 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: throw around the word slut. Ask her about what we 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: get to that area, how she feels about being type 35 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: cast as that, and she throws a question back to you, 36 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: Woody which I've never seen. 37 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 5: Well you, Yeah, she put you on the. 38 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: Spot with it, which was wild. I think you'll be 39 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: able to hear how uncomfortable both of us are. Yeah, 40 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: talking to her about things like being sexualized in the 41 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: media and the trolling she received. For me, I can't 42 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: even say that S word. I hate saying that S word, 43 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: but you're right talking about the slut word. She flipped 44 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 3: the whole concept of what it is to be a 45 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: slut right on me, and you will hear that. I 46 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 3: wasn't expecting it. All of a sudden, the tables returned. 47 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: I was super comfortable, probably cut out a lot of 48 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: the signs in the audio as well. 49 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: No, we should leave it in. We should absolutely leave 50 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: it in. 51 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: But it's important, I think for blokes to hear this 52 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: and just hear from her perspective how she views the 53 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 3: whole thing. Yep, because blogs need to hear this conversation. 54 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 3: Blogs are too scared to have this conversation. I've been 55 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: too scared to have this conversation. So you'll hear it 56 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 3: here and you can just you know, it's much easier 57 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: than you just like spread it around and share it 58 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: with your friends than we all know. 59 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: It's a chat that you really want to say, that 60 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: you really want to send and share with with your 61 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: male friends, with anyone, really, I think this is a 62 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: bloody interesting take on sexuality, gender feminism, all that gear 63 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: Honestly super grateful, too abby for having the chat with us, 64 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: and more importantly, just for being so transper parent about 65 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: a topic which both Woody and I were really anxious 66 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: to talk to her about. And she was awesome in 67 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: responding to some of the questions. 68 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 2: It's woman Woodies. 69 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: In one word, In one word, how do you feel 70 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: about the impact that your reputation I'll rephrase that, in 71 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: one word, how do you feel about the fact that 72 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: your reputation is impacted by your sexuality? 73 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 6: Frustrated? 74 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: M Why Abby? 75 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 6: I feel like I'm begging my head against the wall. 76 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 6: And I guess is the question about my person reputation 77 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 6: or like people as a whole, women as a whole. 78 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: Let's go firstly with your personal reputation that we can 79 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: extend from there. 80 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, I mean, I think the frustration comes from 81 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 6: the facts that I believe that I've proved that I'm 82 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 6: more than my sexuality. I was going to say, all 83 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 6: luck their role, but that isn't true. 84 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 5: You've got a sex podcast. 85 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 6: I've got a sex podcast, right, describe in detail how 86 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 6: to prepare for anal So I don't. 87 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: Actually I heard that episode. It was a very strong episode. 88 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: Thank you for the advice. So go on. 89 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 6: I've got a gay man on to help me out 90 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 6: with it, because I didn't want to be talking over 91 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 6: the gay community. No. But so, I mean, I think 92 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 6: it's frustrating when I think that I've I I think 93 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 6: as a whole women are presented as one dimensional characters, 94 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 6: and I think that the the slut or the whore 95 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 6: is one that is very frequently used. And I think 96 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 6: that when you when you say someone is a slut, 97 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 6: you imply that they're dumb, but they're even as far 98 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 6: as a gold digger, that they are vain, that they 99 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 6: are frivolous. And I think it's interesting that sexuality is 100 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 6: one thing that can negate any other values that you have. 101 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 6: I mean, I have a successful podcast, I have an 102 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 6: advice column. I'm very interested in politics and social issues. 103 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 6: I think i'm reasonably I'm a degree in property economics. 104 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 6: But everyone, well not everyone. Some people would see me 105 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 6: wanting sex. Yeahs as in the gates everything and yeah, 106 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 6: and I even did a podcast called Big What It 107 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 6: was a big Titties equals whore was the title of 108 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 6: the of the episode. I think it even comes down 109 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 6: to a look, like I grew up with I had 110 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 6: like double dee boobs in grade sex. I was like 111 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 6: always I've always had this body, right, And then I 112 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 6: think from that everyone assumes that I'm dumb and also 113 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 6: that I'm a quote unquote slut. And I think the 114 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 6: main thing that frustrates me. Yeah, is like what's wrong 115 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 6: with being a slut? Like what's the issue there? 116 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so let's let's let's let's talk about that 117 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: a bit because this is this is really fascinating because 118 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest, like before, I'm not on Instagram. 119 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 5: I'm not on the socials. 120 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: But our producer said just beforehand, hey, just make sure 121 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: you go and have a look at Aby's Instagram before 122 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: you come on, because this is obviously where you not 123 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: just where you live or your businesses, where how you 124 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: get your name out there. Why why you're such a 125 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: strong figure is cause of your Instagram And like I'm 126 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: going like as a heterosexual guy, it's it is undoubtedly quickbait. 127 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: Like well when I say clickbait, like it's like it is. 128 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: It's amazing to look through because yeah, like you're a 129 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: really attractive woman. There's I'll talk through one of the 130 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: shelves here. You're pretty much you're wearing a denim jacket. 131 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: It's open, there's nothing underneath it. And what's interesting is 132 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: Woods and I were talking about this, and Woods, you 133 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: actually asked me this beforehand. Is it a bad thing 134 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: that I look at that and I'm like, Wow, that's attractive, 135 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: and I think that that's not that That's not the 136 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: thing at all, is it. It's that people jump from well, 137 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: for some somewhere, there's a jump from I find that 138 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: really attractive to that's because you are really attractive to 139 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be showing it off that much to now 140 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: you're a bad person because you are showing it off. 141 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 4: So exactly like, where does that? 142 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 5: Where does that happen? 143 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: Because on the radio show we spoke about you getting 144 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: death threats for being so sexual. 145 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 5: I'm not sure if we've still got that audio. Have 146 00:06:59,120 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 5: we got that audio? 147 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: Jole the I mean, you're we're going to have a 148 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: listen to this. This is this is Abby getting a death 149 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: threat for being too sexual on TV? 150 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 5: Have listened? 151 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 6: Grew up, never got the chance. 152 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 5: So where do you think? 153 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: Where do you think that changes from you being an 154 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: attractive woman and showing skin to then people making really 155 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: bad assumptions about your character or do you. 156 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 6: Think it's quite It's quite a quick jump, isn't it. 157 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 6: That process happens really quickly in the in the minds 158 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 6: of people that have that kind of in cell mentality, 159 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 6: all that misogynistic mentality I think. I think it's frustrated 160 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 6: people who are misogynistic because in our patriarchal society as women, 161 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 6: I know, if you know this, like, but from when 162 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 6: you're born as a girl, you know, a lot of 163 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 6: your values posted on how you look, so like you know, 164 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 6: you do your little toys and makeup hair. Everyone that 165 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 6: sees you will say to a boiler, that's a cool toy. 166 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 6: In two girls, I'll be like, that's really pretty dress. Right, 167 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 6: there's a very clear notion where the society has taught 168 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 6: us as women that are a lot of our value 169 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 6: or motor values come from the back the we'd pretty. 170 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 6: I mean, I've been told my whole life everything I'm 171 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 6: very okay because you're pretty, you know, no matter how 172 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 6: smart you are, And that creates sort of a ceiling 173 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 6: as well. So from that, I think when women are now, 174 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 6: particularly in the last I guess five to ten years, 175 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 6: really harnessing their sexual appeal or their physical appeal, people 176 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 6: are mad about it because now we are able to 177 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 6: weaponize something that's been weaponized against us. So we're turning 178 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 6: around and going like, well, you think we're hot, We're 179 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 6: going to make money off it. With OnlyFans and porn 180 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 6: and sex work. We're going to get quote unquote cloud 181 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 6: off it on Instagram. That's I wrote a whole article 182 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 6: about how I think people hate influences because of this 183 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 6: because the female dominated industry, women make the most money 184 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 6: by far, and they're mad. The attractive women are making 185 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 6: the most money just to being attractive, and people get 186 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 6: so mad about it. So yeah, that's where it comes from. 187 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 3: In short, so interesting, Abby, I'm just interested from like 188 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 3: a social perspective, Like, I mean, I know you pretty well. 189 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 6: Now. 190 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: I don't think we haven't actually met in person, Abby, 191 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 3: But like if I if I said to you, and 192 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 3: now I can look at you, like if I walked 193 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: up to you and said, wow, Abby, your boobs look amazing, 194 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 3: is that like where where does that sit in society 195 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: these days? 196 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 5: Like? 197 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:29,359 Speaker 3: Is that totally inappropriate of me to say, Okay. 198 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: Let me talk first before I sound like a. 199 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: Complete creep today because by looking at your I mean, 200 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. This is the number two 201 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: sheet of our info sheet that we get made up, 202 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: and here's your breasts on that photo there. Now, I 203 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: have no issue with you getting your breasts out there. 204 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: I know Instagram took that photo down. 205 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: But if you came in, can we call them boobs? 206 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: Like you'd never call them rest well anyone else. I'm 207 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: apart from the fact that we're doing anything, just the overween. 208 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: That's about the word bosom. The word bosom. 209 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 5: Bosom. 210 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: Hear your bosoms and then you walk in here and 211 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 3: I go, oh, yeahby how about your bosoms here? 212 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: Where where does that sit? 213 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 6: Are we? You and I are your stranger? It's actually 214 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 6: you and I. 215 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 2: Let's say it's actually you and I. 216 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 6: Okay, it's actually and I. I'd like yeah, ha ha 217 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 6: ha whatever, like laugh. But if you're a stranger, there's 218 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 6: there's this inherent threat that like I see you as 219 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 6: an object because I'm mentioning your sexual organs and therefore 220 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 6: I'm going to not see you as a person. If 221 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 6: it's you and I, I'd be like, shut the funk up, mate, 222 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 6: probably like like it'd be like, oh ha ha whatever. 223 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 6: But when it's a stranger, there's this sort of thing 224 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 6: I don't know you, we don't have that relationship, we 225 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 6: didn't have that rapport. So it's like it's a it's 226 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 6: a fear thing because if someone it's also because I 227 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 6: guess we've been taught. You know, when it comes to rape, 228 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 6: if you're wearing a certain outfit, you deserve to get rap. 229 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 6: That whole motion victim is like if if a man 230 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 6: sees me as an object, I then immediately am like, 231 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 6: I'm in danger. 232 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 5: Can we talk about Can we talk about the line? 233 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: Then I'm just going to spin you around out That's 234 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: fine because this is an interesting area. This is a 235 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: really interesting area. And I think for guys this thing 236 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: as well, this interesting area. You're you're you're someone who's 237 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: very open about posting shots of your bosoms. 238 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 5: Let's go with that. 239 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm really glad that we can have this chat with 240 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: you because I actually don't think there's anyone that we've 241 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: spoken to on this show that we could candidly have 242 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: this conversation with. It would be hard comfortable enough to 243 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: have this conversation with, because there's loads of women that 244 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: we would talk to who we have on the show, 245 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: who yeah, as you said, use their beauty and use 246 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: their sexuality as let's call it a money making tool, 247 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: let's call it. You know, they use that for social influence, 248 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: et cetera. If I don't know that person, but the 249 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: only thing I know about them is that that's what 250 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: they post. So let's go back. So the other shot, 251 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: I mean another shot that I'll bring up here. It 252 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: sounds like I've just gone through your catalog. I promise 253 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: this is the first page. It's like a law exhibits 254 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: see bouncing breasts. 255 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 5: This is the first page. 256 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm going to go for, because this page, 257 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: this post is what It's got one hundred and forty 258 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: thousand views, and it's happy Sunday morning. The joy in 259 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: this video is taken by you've tagged you mate. It's 260 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: too much wow when your titties are bouncing and there's 261 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: you slow mertion with your boobs bouncing right, So that 262 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: I don't know you, right, Let's let's go to the 263 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: stranger example. 264 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 5: I don't know you at all. It's the first time 265 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 5: I met you. 266 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: The only representation I have of you is you putting 267 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: up that video right. 268 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 5: Now. 269 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: I I've been brought up to not say that to 270 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: a woman that I don't know, so I'm not going 271 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: to do it. But let's talk about somebody, a guy 272 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: who hasn't been brought up that way, who hasn't had 273 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: those sorts of values, instilled in him who meets you 274 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: for the first time, that's all he sees. 275 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 5: Now. 276 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: I think this is totally separate form. Assuming you're a 277 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: bad person for doing that, and assuming that you're a slut, 278 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: et cetera for doing that, let's put that to one side. 279 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: On the other hand, I don't think it's too I 280 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: don't think it's too much of an offense for that 281 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: guy in that instance, if people haven't told him as 282 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: he grows up, hey, you know, not to bring that sort. 283 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 5: Of stuff up. 284 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: To assume that you're very comfortable talking and speaking about that. 285 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 5: Is that unfair to say? 286 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think it's unfair to say, but 287 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 6: I kind of want to switch the lens in. There's 288 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 6: kind of there's kind of this assumption there, and I think, 289 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 6: you know, you two being men, and this is not 290 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 6: I'm not being like back and men. I genuinely as men. 291 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 6: Your perspective is different to mine. But so there's assumption 292 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 6: there that that there's this automatic setting that women are 293 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 6: posting everything or doing everything for the male gaze. So 294 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 6: it's like that wasn't for men. That was for me 295 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 6: to laugh about natural boobs, That post wasn't the first 296 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 6: trap at all that posted me going, how funny is 297 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 6: this video taken on Halloween in accidental SlowMo? My boobs 298 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 6: bouncing in the late extress? Like that was the point 299 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 6: of the post. I thought it was funny. I was 300 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 6: piecing myself. 301 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 5: What did you call it the first trap? 302 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, it wouldn't yeah, like inperior like you said, like 303 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 6: you were saying before, like you know you see my 304 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 6: feet as as like a say click whatever. 305 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 5: For a heterosextion. Yeah, that's right. 306 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, but see I like my caption before and the 307 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 6: other one, what was it? Category of period titties was 308 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 6: like a nod to the girls. It was for the 309 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 6: female gag because I was like, how much do your 310 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 6: tips grow on hurt when you're a period? I was 311 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 6: so sick that day. 312 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: We actually had an executive producer comment. She had a 313 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 3: really good laugh about that when when soon we will 314 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 3: read out period titties. I'm pretty sure he said, preach 315 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: sister or something along those lines. 316 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 6: Because it's because it's so painful. I mean, it's it's 317 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 6: And I had a photo shoot that day and I 318 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 6: was so sick. So that's kind of I guess the 319 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 6: initial lens that I want to change. But I agree 320 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 6: with you. I mean, there are people who don't have 321 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 6: that thought process. 322 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, because as the person posting, you can 323 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: have whatever lens you want to put on it absolutely 324 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: Like sure you can go, hey, this is for the 325 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: girls out there, But at the end of the day, 326 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: it's on the Internet and there's no filter that you 327 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: can put that through, and that is going to be 328 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: absorbed by guys who are you know, not raised. It 329 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: is not informed of this sort of thing, and they 330 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: are going to form opinions of you. 331 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 5: Now. 332 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: I think that's the point that we definitely one hundred 333 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: percent seem to agree on, which is that that's the 334 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: thing that needs to change just because Abby posts. Just 335 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: because Abby posts these pictures doesn't necessarily mean that you 336 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: can then assume that she's comfortable to talk about that, 337 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: or that she's open to you assuming things about her, 338 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, yeah, yeah. 339 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 6: I guess I said, do of like ongoing consent as well, 340 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 6: like just like you actually don't know me, I think 341 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 6: as well. Social media has a sweet lends to people 342 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 6: where it's like, you're right, like a lot of my 343 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 6: posts are like to days and like sucking you like, 344 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 6: and my podcast is like I have I have merch 345 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 6: just blug it up on it about sucking dick, Like 346 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 6: I'm like. 347 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: Totally, so I just just around listeners, not for me 348 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: what episode was the blowing of the. 349 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 6: Episode twenty two two. But you know that is a projection. 350 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 6: But I think it also comes down to men understanding that, 351 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 6: like I said before, men objectifying women and feeling the 352 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 6: need to comment something like yes, today's women can do 353 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 6: it because I feel safe with women. I don't have this. 354 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 6: I have this pretty determined idea that I'm in danger 355 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 6: around men, almost proven otherwise, because of the history of 356 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 6: domestic violence and the history of rape and the sexual 357 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 6: assault that I've experienced, and almost like I almost I 358 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 6: would say almost every woman that I know has experienced 359 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 6: sexual assault certain like and like whether it's getting growth 360 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 6: in the club or getting violently raped, I know people 361 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 6: on to even the spectrum. So there's this I have 362 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 6: this fear of men that needs to be proven otherwise. 363 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 6: And I think saying nice titties again, like I said before, 364 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 6: makes me ojectified, whereas women, I'm like, they're empowered and 365 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 6: they're feeling supportive, and it isn't even necessarily about whether 366 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 6: or not the men are sexually attracted to me. It's 367 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 6: more about that physical fear of of not even violence, 368 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 6: of being seen as an object, and therefore it reminds 369 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 6: me that I'm unsafe. I guess because you can't be 370 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 6: scared of an Instagram comment, but it's just reminded. 371 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. Does it come 372 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: with the territory? I feel like it comes sorry with online. 373 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: I feel like it comes with the territory. 374 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 6: You know, like totally. 375 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: I mean, speaking candidly, you're an idiot if you're posting 376 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: photos of your bosom's online and not expecting people to 377 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: message you with some sort of sexually inappropriate or sexually 378 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: motivated comment that's gonna happen. 379 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I actually don't get it at all. 380 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 4: I don't. 381 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 6: My my follows are thirteen percent men, and I think 382 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 6: all of them are queer, so mine, like, I actually 383 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 6: don't get Like when you say it's I don't, I 384 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 6: get probably like one or two comments on those posts, 385 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 6: but it's I really don't get men. Yeh, they're having 386 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 6: a go. So I think I'm saying, so my content 387 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 6: is women. I mean, there are straight men that follow 388 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 6: me obviously like that's but I think the men that 389 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 6: follow me, I've kind of weed it out. All the 390 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 6: mong hit you up. 391 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: They don't go like, hey, saw your boobs yesterday, I'm 392 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: free on Tuesday night sort of thing. 393 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 6: No, it's going I think you've turned me. 394 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: Or like. 395 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 6: It's like it's lesbian women being like, can't take you out. 396 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 6: It's women being like you're amazing, evempowered me. Or I 397 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 6: get I got a video of a girl's tits the 398 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 6: other day of her and her like extress going sane, 399 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 6: so like, I don't really get men messing me. 400 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: Wow, that is just fascinating. 401 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 3: Hey, can I go back to circle back to the 402 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: start where you were talking about Abby being labeled as 403 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: I hate saying this word, but I'm going to say 404 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: slut and you've been called that. 405 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: Can I ask you then you you actually said as well. 406 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 3: I thought it was really interesting you actually said something 407 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: around you know what's wrong with being a. 408 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: Slut as well? 409 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 3: Can I just ask you like, I don't think you are, 410 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: by the way, from my knowledge of getting to know you, 411 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: I don't think you are, and I definitely do not 412 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 3: think you were when you're on the Bachelor. That's when 413 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: most people garnered that view of you because apparently you've 414 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 3: got just a little bit physical in a nocean with 415 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 3: one guy. 416 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 5: Let's I actually did. 417 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: I actually thought you were really sexually forward on The 418 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: Bachelor because of the way that it was cut. I'm 419 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: happy to put my hand up and say when I 420 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: watched that, I remember watch it with my girlfriend going wow, 421 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: she's avant garde. 422 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 5: But that was But that's how you were put together. 423 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's the way they constructed you 424 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: as well. 425 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 6: Okay, I have a few things to say and actually question. Okay, 426 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 6: so you're saying that you don't see me as a slut, 427 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 6: and I mean, what would you consider a sluck? Can 428 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 6: you find a sluck? 429 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 3: I was literally I was going to ask you the 430 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 3: same I was literally leading to the same question because 431 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: I don't think you are. 432 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 6: But like, but why, but why are you saying that? 433 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 6: Because you obviously you know, we have like I've spoken 434 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 6: to you, guys are fair bit, we have a bit 435 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 6: of a relationships. We're like I would say, we're you 436 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 6: have a beer if I was ever in your city, 437 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 6: you know, I mean, you know, I'm just trying to 438 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 6: be extra. 439 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 4: N it came out of my mouth. That was really cool. 440 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 5: With you with you. 441 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, you're you're like, well I think you 442 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 6: were that. And I just wonder why you're saying this 443 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 6: so defensively, because obviously in your head you think being 444 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 6: a slut is a bad thing. But what's what do 445 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 6: you define as a slut? Because I fucked like seventy 446 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 6: dudes and like four chicks, and I talk regularly about 447 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 6: anal sex and rid jobs and I described you know 448 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 6: how to suck dick, and I dance to wipe on 449 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 6: my stories. So what what are you defining as a slut? Like? 450 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 6: Is there a certain number? Is there a certain is 451 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 6: there a certain characteristic? I'm genuinely asking. 452 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: Actually, I would like to think and I have never 453 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: called someone a slut, nor would I ever call someone 454 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: a slut. Yes, and I actually think slut and I 455 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 3: hope this starts to happen is a term that historically 456 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: was used when women were put into the box of 457 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 3: women are not supposed to sleep with a lot of men, 458 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: and women are not supposed to talk about blow jobs, 459 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 3: and women are not supposed to show their breasts. And 460 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 3: I think we have moved so far past that, and 461 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 3: I'm just throw in a little compliment there, Abby, And 462 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 3: I think you're sort of holding the torch for that movement. 463 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 3: So my answer to you is that, well, I'm hoping. 464 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 3: I know it's out of my vocabulary. I haven't used 465 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 3: the word stut. I would never call someone a slut, 466 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 3: and I hope we're moving past calling people that. 467 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 6: Totally. No, totally, I agree with you, but I think 468 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 6: as well, I guess being in the industry that you're 469 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 6: in the i'mon as well, where in this kind of 470 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 6: like weird little bubble, and we think that everyone is 471 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 6: as progressive as each other, right, Like we think, oh, 472 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 6: I'm sure all your mates are similar to you guys, right, 473 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 6: So you're. 474 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: Like, we're past well, I think that's so true. 475 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 5: That is so true. 476 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 6: So we're actually not past that, And like, thank you 477 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 6: for saying half of my torch. And I agree you 478 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 6: you should not use the word slut, and I love 479 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 6: that you. The word slut to me even is very 480 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 6: like weird for me to say. But I guess the 481 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 6: thing is calling someone a slut. With isa as a man, 482 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 6: calling someone a slut is a bad thing because you're 483 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 6: you're using all that history against women and saying that 484 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 6: you're a slut. Therefore I think you're bad as an insult, 485 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 6: it's a bad thing. But then when I when I 486 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 6: when I rebut back and say, well I am a slut? 487 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 6: What now? Like I have a lot of sex, I 488 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 6: do really enjoy sex. I advertise vibraters everywhere that I 489 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 6: fucking go. So what so what what is the actually 490 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 6: what's the bad thing about that? And then I get 491 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 6: the same respect for yourself? And I think having respect 492 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 6: for myself is actually, you know, being sexually empowered and 493 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 6: knowing what I want in regards to who I want 494 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 6: to sleep and then when I want to see the 495 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 6: people and when I want to send nerdes. I think 496 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 6: that's having the my rest respect for myself because you're. 497 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: In control of when you of how you use your sexuality, 498 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: as opposed to being told where the threshold is with 499 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: the number of people you sleep with how many nerds 500 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: equates to that image of being a slut. Yeah, you're saying, 501 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: look if I tick the threshold, I actually don't give 502 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: a shit, guys, because I chose to go over the 503 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: threshold myself exactly. 504 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 6: And I think, I mean, I think there's a difference 505 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 6: between being you know, sexually empowered and all, and then 506 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 6: there's a difference between using sex as power. That makes sense, 507 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 6: so like like like when I was insecure and I 508 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 6: was younger, I would sleep with men just to. 509 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: Say I was just about to say, it's all about 510 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: when you say you go over the threshold for a 511 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: lot of people that I think the key point here 512 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: is you spoke about being in control of that, so 513 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: choosing with clarity and with perspective who you want to 514 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: sleep with them, where you want to sleep with them, 515 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: as opposed to sleeping with someone. I'm not sure if 516 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: you listen to if you've heard any father John Misty, 517 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: but there's a great song called the Night that Josh 518 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: Tillman came to my apartment, and he's singing about himself 519 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: and the transactional sex that he keeps having with all 520 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: these different young women and how debilitating that is for him, 521 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: and the fact that he's only doing it because he 522 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: needs to try and feel good about himself in some way. Yeah, 523 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: which is I suppose a whole nother kettle of fish. 524 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: But to tied at the. 525 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 6: End of the day, I mean that behavior at the 526 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 6: end of the day. Doesn't make you a bad person. 527 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 6: It makes you sad, you know what I mean. So 528 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 6: in way of people saying you don't respect yourself, you're disgusting you. 529 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 6: You know these men are just using you. I say, 530 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 6: don't you feel sorry for me? 531 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: Then? 532 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 6: Ave them going to use me? Why are you angry? 533 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 6: Why are you mad I'm being used? Don't you feel 534 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 6: just bad for me? Like I feel bad for me 535 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 6: when I was eighteen? I feel bad for eighteen year 536 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 6: old Abbey. 537 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 5: So funny, isn't it so? 538 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: In both ways, whether you're sleeping with too many people 539 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: because you're insecure, or you're sleeping with too many people, 540 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: too many people I'm using in inverted commas. But if 541 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: you're sleeping with too many people because you want to 542 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: sleep with too many people, you're damned if you do, 543 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: damned if you don't. Like, there's no in both instances, 544 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 1: guys will categorize you with the same word, and then 545 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: the same qualities are attracted to that word. 546 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: Just mismatched to meet him with anger as well? Why 547 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 2: go with anger on it? 548 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: Like? 549 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: Why does either of those actions deserve a death threat? 550 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 5: Yeah? 551 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: It's extraordinary, is it? 552 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: It's almost like it's almost like you're slipping outside of 553 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: the control of the guy who's calling you that. It's 554 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: like you're outside, You're outside. 555 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, is that actually? I don't know if you've seen the. 556 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 6: Fantastic I'm so excited. 557 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen the Adam Goods documentary Abby, 558 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 3: but it's a phenomenal documentary. But someone actually says that 559 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: in that. They sort of say, oh, yeah, we will 560 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,479 Speaker 3: let the indigenous. 561 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 5: Play in Australia. That's fine. 562 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 3: But as soon as they start, you know, speaking out 563 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 3: against racism, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 564 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 2: We didn't say you could go that far. 565 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. 566 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 3: I think you can definitely relate that to know how 567 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: you're being treated there. 568 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing. 569 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Well, we've. 570 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 5: Run out of time. 571 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: I always say to people at the end of one word, 572 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: would you change your one word if you could? Your 573 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: one word was frustrated about the fact that your reputation 574 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: or your integrity was impacted by your sexuality. 575 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 5: Are you still frustrated? 576 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 6: No, I'm still frustrated. Sorry, boys, but it made me 577 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 6: very much chat. I've had a great time. You've made 578 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 6: me so happy. I've had the best chat with both 579 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 6: of you. Really liked it. 580 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: It was really good to chat with you, and thanks 581 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: for providing. I mean, like, I hope that a lot 582 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: of people listening to this would probably be thinking to 583 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: themselves that I mean, personally, I think that one of 584 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: the reasons that we've got such a big issue here 585 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: is because, and I'm speaking from the male perspective here, 586 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: guys can't talk to other women about this sort of stuff. 587 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: Guys are very afraid to talk to women about this 588 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: sort of stuff because I mean, funnily enough, I don't 589 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: want to drag you off too long here, but when 590 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about The Bachelor before the like what he said, 591 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: I didn't think. I didn't see you as a slut 592 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: on The Bachelor like I would have been lying if 593 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: I had to said that I didn't see you that way, 594 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: like the way that you were painted, the way that 595 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 1: I the way that the image that I had in 596 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: my head of you know, this really just person that 597 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: was just in it for sex, like, which is how 598 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: you were pinned up in that show. I'm glad that 599 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 1: I can say that to you so that you can 600 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: talk me through how wrong that is and how wrong 601 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: those associations that are made with it afterwards. 602 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 6: Are I have so much to say here? I want 603 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 6: to keep chatting, go around at. 604 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: Top you can, I mean, if you can wrap up 605 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: on that point, but please, I'd like you to say 606 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: something about that, because I'm sure there's lots of people 607 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: that who don't know you, who haven't seen you, who 608 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: don't know who you are, who have probably left the 609 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: show feeling the same way, and I think it's important 610 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: for you to say something about it. 611 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 6: I mean what I mean, it's it's interesting that thing 612 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 6: is very common that I was only in it for sex, 613 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 6: and it's very interesting that I think we tend to 614 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 6: negate relationships if someone really wants to have sex with someone. 615 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,719 Speaker 6: Do you feel that way? Like I said on my 616 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 6: on this post after the show, was like, isn't that 617 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 6: the isn't that one of the defining features between a 618 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 6: friendship and a romantic relationships, having sex with someone? It's 619 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 6: like me wanted to sleep with people. I might thoughl that, well, yeah, 620 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 6: I like you, of course I want you inside me. 621 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 6: Didn't mean to say it, but couldn't top Center. I'm 622 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 6: used to my podcast. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. 623 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 6: So I think that's what But no, I totally Oh 624 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 6: my god. Sorry, no, yeah, I totally agree. I think 625 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 6: I think it's really great guy think a conversation with me, 626 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 6: and I think it's very a little to chat and 627 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 6: I'm glad that we could have a have a combo. 628 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: I love it great, awesome, awesome, Thank you so much, mate, 629 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: and thank you. 630 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 5: We'll see you soon. 631 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 6: All right. 632 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: It's Will and Woodies in one word.