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Speaker 1: Good day guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've tuned into the Will and Woody podcast. Pleasure

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Speaker 2: to have you on here. This is the special edition

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Speaker 2: that we're rolling out Woods of the sit down that

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Speaker 2: we had where I spoke to you about what it's

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Speaker 2: like to work with me as somebody who has depression.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a pretty raw, unedited chat, yes, but I

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Speaker 3: think it's something which is going to help people listen to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. We really hoped that on ook we

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Speaker 2: could inspire the people who aren't necessarily suffering, because they're

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Speaker 2: the ones that really make the difference. You're the guys

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Speaker 2: that initiate the conversation and you're the guys that are

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Speaker 2: going to help the most. So I hope, if anything

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Speaker 2: from this you get some inspo from the way that

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Speaker 2: Woods is with me and in terms of how he

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Speaker 2: absorbs a lot of stuff, but also how he constantly

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Speaker 2: checks in with me. And also just remember from this chat, Yes,

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Speaker 2: the makeshift things wonderful and it really helped. But I've

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Speaker 2: got really really good avenues of professional support. I've got

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Speaker 2: a psychologists I see regularly, and I've been at it

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Speaker 2: for a long time. So if you are in a

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Speaker 2: position where you feel like you're not right. Yes, continue

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Speaker 2: to have commons with your friends, but please go and

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Speaker 2: see a doctor, go and see a psychologist, or call

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Speaker 2: Lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen. They're always there for you,

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Speaker 2: and they do a wonderful job, and I promise they're

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Speaker 2: going to be able to help you out.

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Speaker 1: But otherwise, grab some tissues.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I hope you guys get something out of it.

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Speaker 1: It was obviously pretty hard for us to record, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's an important message. So yeah, enjoy.

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Speaker 2: So this is the second time I've dragged you into

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Speaker 2: one of these conversations. Ye, pleasure as always, so I

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Speaker 2: wanted to thank you for coming in because of this

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Speaker 2: session is going to be largely focused on you.

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Speaker 1: What you didn't tell me that? Because today is are

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Speaker 1: you Okay? Day? And I've always said that.

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Speaker 2: I think the mental health crisis can only be solved

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Speaker 2: by the people who.

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Speaker 2: I think to be with somebody who is suffering a

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Speaker 2: mental health condition is as bad as suffering at yourself.

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Speaker 2: I'm not in that position very often, but I know

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Speaker 2: So that's why it's going to be about you, because

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Speaker 2: that's you're in a bit of a unique position because

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Speaker 2: you have to work with me intimately in circumstances which

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Speaker 2: other people wouldn't normally have to work with somebody who's

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Speaker 2: Not that I be at the copy but I have

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Speaker 2: it's hard for me, but it's also very very hard for.

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Speaker 1: You, and I'm very grateful that you that you do that.

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Speaker 2: That's why I want to focus on you, so that

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Speaker 1: That's what I okay to.

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Speaker 2: It's all about, Yeah, definitely focusing on the people that

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Speaker 2: The other reason I want to focus on you is

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Speaker 2: because you are very much the archetypal blocky bloke, a

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, not your stereotypical man. But one

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Speaker 3: I don't like talking about serious stuff. I don't like

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Speaker 2: So you do a really good job of navigating me

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Speaker 1: Thank you. How do you go? How do you go

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Speaker 3: It's been a journey actually because I reckon initially I

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Speaker 1: It to talk about you're doing a good job. I

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely killing it.

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Speaker 2: So and I think you made a really good point there,

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that'll ever be I think that's

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Speaker 1: And you've talked to me about that's good for you. Yep,

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Speaker 3: I think from there for me, it's just just I'm here, Yeah, great,

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Speaker 1: And often for as you said before, for our work.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty much impossible because of our area of work.

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Speaker 2: I believe there was one day when I was feeling

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Speaker 5: Would have been and you message about and you're like,

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Speaker 2: It's raining outside, the worst thing you can do is

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Speaker 3: I try to, as early as possible make sure that

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Speaker 1: you've said to me before. It's like you're watching yourself

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Speaker 3: I try to see the depression as opposed to seeing Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You wanted everyone to just forgive me for how I'd

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Speaker 5: A really scary part I think of having a mental

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Speaker 1: It's because I love you.

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Speaker 3: All the things you say, I hate hearing the most.

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Speaker 1: Are that's it.

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Speaker 2: What would you say to people who are on the outside,

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Speaker 1: So it's not about trying to fix it.

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Speaker 3: It's about take a babystip and just like start with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like often, you know, before our show, I know,

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Speaker 2: if I'm not doing very well, I will go.

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Speaker 1: To the kitchen and I'll make a cup of tea.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, I've got to be two hours of the happiest

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Speaker 5: And I'm crying out the windows, really calling the curtain

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Speaker 3: If you hear a sniffle in the top of air

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Speaker 3: of our show, will's just been crying.

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Speaker 1: You will come in and you'll say, mate, how are

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Speaker 5: great it's really helpful, and it just starts just chipping

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Speaker 5: away the diamond of resentment that you know is the

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Speaker 5: core of feeling depressed.

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Speaker 1: I've got more bad luck.

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Speaker 2: And this again for people out there who are unsure

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Speaker 2: Do you think that it's actually been beneficial towards both

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Speaker 2: our friendship and our show.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: It took it to a whole new level when we

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Speaker 3: Just don't be the person that regrets not doing something

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Speaker 3: And if you just front up and you just have it,

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Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to rock up and do what

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Speaker 1: I'm really lucky.

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Speaker 2: I'm lucky.

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Speaker 1: I'm lucky. Let me do bloody hell. I told you

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Speaker 1: to be hot. I didn't know you'd ever heard me

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Speaker 3: Imagine if when you walk away and you turned around.

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Speaker 1: I've been saying it for weeks, bring in aid. We

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so you've made it to the end.

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Speaker 3: Make a small step right now and pick up your phone. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I know you've told me directly yeap. How much

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's a great point.

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Speaker 3: Knowing that someone's there can seriously do a lot of

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: It's like a bit of sunlight breaking through the clouds. Guys,

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Speaker 2: So reach out to your friends have an impact on them.

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Speaker 2: You can do it just with a conversation. I've got

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Speaker 2: If you're not getting professional help and you're feeling unsure,

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Speaker 2: Lifeline thirteen eleven fourteen. They're always there to answer a

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Speaker 2: even if you're just slightly feeling it. That's the right

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Speaker 2: decision to make, so please keep having the convos, but

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Speaker 2: make sure you're getting the right help for yourself. We're

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Speaker 2: going to get out of here. Well, you're going to

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Speaker 2: get out of.

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Speaker 3: Here because the podcast is we're all going to get out.

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Speaker 2: We're all going to get out. If you stay here,

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Speaker 2: they'll just be well, you might roll into the next

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Speaker 2: shit hot podcast from the Boys.

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Speaker 3: Oh look out yesterday's show WHOA, that'll be.

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Speaker 1: Later.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.