WEBVTT - The Prenup 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:05.320 Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.719 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.760 Sophie Tauber and I'm Amy Torbert. And coming up on 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.400 today's show, Tammy Hembro confirms prenup with Matt Sakowski and 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:21.480 we unpack Aspenovard's chaotic divorce updates. But first, sophia Begs 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.319 legal team has issued a cease and desist letter to 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.840 her former friend Holly Mueller and her new podcast host 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.040 Billy Barker in a bid to promote their new podcast, 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.480 The Duots. They'd spill the tea on the friendship breakdown 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.159 before we get into all of the juicy details. For 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:39.519 some of us millennials who aren't up to date on 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.159 who Sophia and Holly are, fill us in. Yeah, Well, 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:45.959 they're genzt influencers who've built careers for themselves on TikTok. 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.920 Some have even gone as far as comparing them to 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.440 Shani and Chloe Zepp from back in the day. That's 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.840 how big their popularity has been online. Yeah, Because Sophie 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.600 and Holly were really close friends and they would often 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.400 appear in each other's TikTok videos. So it's quite big 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.400 scandal in the jed z community that these girls are 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.080 no longer friends. Yeah, and they were part of a 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.720 Melbourne TikTok click. So Sammy Guggenheimer was in that group 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:12.319 as well as Easy Armitage and also sophia begs boyfriend 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.440 at the time, Jordan. There's been a lot of controversy 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.000 around him as well because they subsequently broke up and 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.760 then Sophia moved back to New South Wales and there's 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.440 constant rumors about what was the cause of the breakup 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.479 because Sammy and Izzy seem to have sided with him. 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.800 It kind of sounds like the Brisbane Click with Shanie 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:33.440 and Michael and Jonathan and all that drama. Yeah, and 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.800 out of nowhere, Sophia and Holly suddenly stopped posting together. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.640 They didn't attend each other's events, so they had a 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.200 few collaborations with big brand deals, they were absent from those. 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:46.600 They also had planned to travel overseas and they just 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.440 never acknowledged the friendship breakdown. They were very quiet on 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:54.559 what happened. Well that's until now because Holly is using 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.480 this drama to help promote her new podcast that She's 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.520 just launched alongside another TikToker called Billy Barker, So they 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.560 released a TikTok video where they lip syncd along to 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:05.320 this audio. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.359 Took some time off to rest and now it's king 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:10.359 times bitches. 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:17.200 Do you have no idea? Now? The text over this 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:21.000 video read what happened with you and dot dot Dot, 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:25.040 and in the caption, Holly wrote, tomorrow is a scary day. 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.919 And immediately Holly's followers knew she was about to spill 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.560 the tea on her friendship breakdown. Yeah, and this video 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.240 understandably received a lot of attention on TikTok. It had 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.920 over four hundred and seventy three thousand views at the 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.440 time of recording, and one thousand, six hundred cents. One 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.600 follower wrote, oh my god, I love you. Speak your truth, girly, 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.880 whilst another said always stand with you. So people are 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.200 already taking sides over this. So so are you team 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.720 Sophia or team Holly? Or are we too old for 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.760 this TikTok drama? I wouldn't sound too old. I love 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.840 the pettiness, but this is the first time I've come 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.400 a cross Holly and I have a bit of a 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.080 soft spot for Sophia. I think she is a genuinely 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.080 nice person. I think she's very business savvy. I don't 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.560 think that it's fair to use someone else's clout to 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.639 try and promote your own podcast, and that's what these 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.280 girls are doing. Literally, we talk about influencer drama on 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.639 the podcast. People could say that we're using influence in 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.200 the cloud. No, but there's a difference. We're not selling 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.640 out someone we used to be friends with in order 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.880 to promote our podcast. We're just talking about influencer topics. 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.760 I think that's completely different. Well, the day before this 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:36.000 episode was set to drop, Holly and Billy were served 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.120 with a cease and desist letter on behalf of Sophia's lawyer. 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:43.120 This is wild. Surely she was going to know that 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.040 these two were going to share the letter, which of 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.440 course they did online. They put up a full screenshot 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.880 of the legal letter on their podcast as Instagram story 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.800 and they captioned the post well, at least we have 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.720 one listener. And they were pretty petty because they scribbled 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.520 out Sophia's name. They intentionally made it readable because they 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.680 left the first couple of letters of her name so 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.400 you could see the s and the O. I just 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.920 want to know did the legal document have anything about 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.040 that this was a private document. It didn't actually, because 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.760 we have unfortunately been dealt some legal letters, not for 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:18.440 this podcast but for Hour Matters dealings back in the day, 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.480 and a lot of them did specify that you could 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.400 not share this publicly anywhere. Well, that's a big mistake 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.760 by her lawyers if that's the case, because I would 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.200 be stamping confidential all over this, and it is a 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.400 breach to be sharing confidential information. But it seems like 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.120 they've done nothing wrong by actually sharing this document. And 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.960 they could also claim, well, we did cover her name. Yeah, 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.200 well not really. But this letter started off by saying, 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.000 we have been advised that tomorrow morning, in a podcast 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.960 entitled Sensory Overload with Billy Barker and Holly Mueller, Miss 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.600 Sophia Begg will likely be defamed. If this occurs, you 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.600 are unnoticed that legal proceedings will be commenced. It's really 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.520 clear that this lawyer was trying to point out to 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.279 them just how severe the concert quences would be, because 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.920 he highlighted several times that if they defame her, they 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.280 can be prosecuted in court. It continued, saying, our client 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.160 is making it known to you that if defamatory material 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.920 arises in this podcast and our client is recognized by 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:19.320 one or more listeners slash viewers, then proceedings will commence. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:21.760 If you are found to have to famed our client 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:26.680 by the court, significant financial consequences are likely to result. 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.040 It then finished by asking Billy, Holly and also their 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:34.440 manager to immediately confirm the removal of the offending segment. 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.719 This legal letter was also addressed to Holly and Billy's 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.560 talent agency, which is called Jake the Agency, and outlined 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:45.600 that every single person involved in publishing the defamatory material 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.960 is also liable. So he clearly was like, get this 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.920 the fuck down. This is a pretty big move from 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:56.240 Sophia because from an outside perspective, it appears that Holly 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.919 has a lot of tea to spill about Sophia. So 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.160 I don't know if this actually makes Sophia look really good. Well. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.760 One follower wrote underneath Sophia's recent video, someone doesn't want 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.960 to get exposed, and she actually responded, this is the 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.799 only thing she said about the incident, so she said 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.960 someone doesn't want lies spread. It was a precaution to 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.599 make sure no lies were shared. Defamation is about lies, 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.279 not truth. I totally get your point though, because I 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.320 think there'll be a lot of people thinking, oh, well, 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.080 where there's smoke, there's fire, and she's clearly got stuff 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:28.040 to hide if she's going to go and hire a lawyer. 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.160 But I think that Sophia is very smart and know 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.919 she has to protect herself against people who don't have 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.920 her best interests at heart. Sophia's mum is a lawyer, 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.400 so that's why I think she's been so quick to 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.440 respond to this, because she knows how quickly someone can 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.400 ruin your reputation by spreading lies about you. Yeah, it's 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.960 an interesting one. I mean, clearly this is a legitimate 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.119 legal letter, because we have seen a lot of fake 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.840 legal letters floating around. I mean, we received some bizarre 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.920 kind of legal threat last year from Lily Brown. It 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.240 was obvious it wasn't a legal letters. I'm not saying 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.120 she was trying to it was written by Lily Brown's manager, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:06.160 who seem to think that she had the same qualifications 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.800 as a lawyer. Because it did not make sense. The 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.040 reality is, though a lot of influencers don't want to 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.000 waste money on engaging a lawyer to send out these 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.600 kinds of legal threats, because in reality, even this legal 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.560 threat sent out by Sophia Beggs lawyers, they don't really 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.840 have a leg to stand on because there hasn't been 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:28.440 any defamatory material actually put out yet. However, they're saying, look, 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.360 if you do that, this is what we're going to do, 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:35.240 and sometimes that is enough to scare people from actually talking. Yeah, 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.600 but they're putting it out there because Holly and Billy 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:39.480 are giving it the big one, saying, oh, we're going 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.960 to say all this stuff about you, and there's already 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.920 hundreds of comments underneath it of people saying, oh my god, 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.440 I can't wait to hear what you're going to say. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.160 But in reality, they could have used the truth defense 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.520 and they could have stood by what they actually claimed 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.760 in the podcast. However, it appears we are never going 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.520 to hear what they really had to say. We are 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.080 never going to know the full extent of what Holly 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.040 planned to say on this podcast, because she and Billy 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.040 ended up sharing a new episode, but it was very 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.640 watered down. They only briefly touched on Sofia. Yeah. I 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.320 think they must have been intimidated by this letter because 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.840 you had to wait until the forty seven minute mark 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.440 of this fifty two minute long podcast to even hear 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.800 a mention of Sophia. And I just felt so sorry 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.200 for anyone who tuned in thinking that they were getting 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.400 some tea or they were going to hear about some drama. Well, 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.080 did they even touch on the legal letter or they 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.959 just said nothing. They didn't say anything about the legal letter. 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:37.000 All they did was what most influencers do and got 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.120 their followers to send in questions for a Q and A. 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:44.720 So of course someone asked about Sophia. Here's what Holly said. 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:47.640 I mean, everything happens for a reason. 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:49.320 I guess I think the universe was on my. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:50.040 Side that day. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:52.000 Is that a good saying? 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.480 I think so the universe was the myst ceremonies. It 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:55.199 wasn't even heard. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.920 No, it's actually nothing. We just obviously outgrew each other, 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:01.000 like me and. 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:02.960 Her didn't too much. 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:04.720 Yeah, like me and her just overgrew. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.720 But it wasn't actually her. She's actually a really nice person. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.280 But I think that's just the industry it is. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:11.320 Everyone falls out. 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.640 On it, especially I was living in Melbourne and like 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:18.320 whole Melbourne scene. It's like it's cult there. It's cult, 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:18.920 it's fake. 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.959 It's there's a lot of like it. 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:28.000 And I think we're all so young, we're awesome now 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.839 that big whole thing. That just made me realize I 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.160 actually don't give a ship. People grow and people like 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:39.679 they do it, they change. I'm assuming Billy meant to 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.959 click instead of cult. Yeah, that really threw me because 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.280 if he is implying that Sophia is part of some cult, 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.920 then yes, that would be diffamatory. But I think he 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.600 did mean click. I just hate when people talk in 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.839 rudles like this because it's clear that they don't know 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.600 that they can actually give their opinion of Sophia. They 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:03.040 can touch on their friendship with her. They're just not 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.480 able to lie about her. Well, yeah, they can't defame her. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.520 I mean, clearly they panicked about this. I think if 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.960 Billy and Holly had their own independent podcasts and their 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:14.480 agency hadn't been involved in this, perhaps they would have 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.240 gone ahead and put up the full podcast where they 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.320 were dishing the deal. Well, some people have been saying 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:22.200 that Billy has mentioned on his stories that episode two 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.600 was going to be the full expose, but I don't 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.479 know if that's just because maybe they had bad downloads 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:28.920 on the first one. They're trying to think of how 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:30.640 to get people back in. I would have assume they 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.040 had good downloads on the first one, and then next 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:34.880 week no one's going to tune in because they feel 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.680 like they've been completely let down. It was terrible. I 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.559 just think it's such a cop out to be like, oh, 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.400 she's actually really nice. It's like you were literally on 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:44.920 your TikTok a couple of days ago, ready to get 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.160 the knives out and get into it, and now you're like, oh, 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:51.480 she's really nice. It's like when people say she's nice, 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:53.880 but like I'm waiting for the butt. 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.440 I guess so many things that I just literally do 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.560 not think are a big deal or do not like 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.960 affect our lives at all, are such a big deal 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.640 to people that don't even know us. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.600 Tammy Hembro has hit back at media reports which claimed 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.360 she and fiance Matt Szakowski were fighting over a prenuptial 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.839 agreement now. Last week, Sophie we discussed how The Daily 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.959 Mail had uploaded paparazzi shots of Tammy and Matt outside 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.960 their joint Hucks party on the Gold Coast, and Tammy 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:28.040 appeared to be in tears while Matt was seen consoling her. Yeah, 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.920 and in this article, the Daily Mail quoted a source 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.800 as saying there had been tension between the couple as 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.240 Matt was refusing to sign a prenuptial agreement. Now there's 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.360 got a lot of people talking online and there has 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:43.120 already been a lot of accusations flying around that potentially 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.920 Matt was using Tammy for her money, because she is 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.880 worth an estimated fifty million dollars. I mean, we had 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.520 a discussion about this. I think there's a lot more 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.600 to Tammy that Matt would be after than her money, 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.400 one hundred percent. But you've got to also think it's 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.920 very odd for someone to want to lock this down 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.880 so quickly, and most normal people would jump to the conclusion, well, 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.160 what does this person have to gain out of it? Well, 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.520 this article did not do much for Matt's credibility, but 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.400 Tammy has put the rumors to bed, so she took 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.400 to TikTok late last week to address some of the 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.400 headlines that had come out following her joint Hucks party 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.360 with Matt. Let's have a listen to what Tammy said 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:24.240 about the prenup allegations, this could not. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.839 Be further from the truth. Like we have not once, 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:28.240 like a. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.559 Prenup has not once come up in argument for us. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.040 We agreed pretty much showed away that we would get 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.000 a premun It just seemed like a smart thing to 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.320 do for both of our sex. Like it wasn't something 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.080 that we have ever thought about once literally ever. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.040 Tammy went on to say that the rumors were completely 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.640 and utterly made up, and pointed out that she was 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.400 clearly hugging Matt in the pap shots. I'm really relieved 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.600 to hear that there is a prenup in place, because 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.760 I was starting to feel really nervous for Tammy. And 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.400 as you say, obviously Tammy has a lot more to 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.520 offer than just her money. But when people race into 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.000 a relationship, maybe you haven't had time to get to 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.960 know each other. And also the other rumors that have 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.800 come out following the Grand Prix, it does lead your 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.000 mind to think about the worst and the fact that 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.559 she has built up her career and her empire. I 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.040 would hate to see her lose that. Yeah. Well, Tummy 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.240 went on to say in this TikTok that she can 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.760 understand why so many people are interested in their relationship, 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.200 and she said she can see why people want to 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.960 make things up. But she said it's just getting old now. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.080 Is it old? Though? Because one thing that she didn't 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:39.760 confirm in this TikTok is why they unfollowed each other, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.480 And that is what everyone wanted to know, because a 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.800 lot of these articles and rumors wouldn't have started if 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.400 they didn't publicly unfollow each other. I one hundred percent agree. 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:52.640 I am glad that she has touched on this elephant 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:56.000 that has been in the room about this prenup. And interestingly, 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:00.480 The Daily Mail has not reported on Tammy's statement about 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:02.880 Matt signing this prenup. They of course ran the first 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:07.120 article accusing Tammy and Matt of having an argument over this. Well, 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:10.440 is it completely surprising because that would basically be them 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.360 admitting that their sources got it wrong. But it's disappointing. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.160 I haven't really seen anybody cover it except our own 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.880 podcast and also Influencer Updates AU. It seems like the 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.640 media are only willing to push this negative side about 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.720 the couple. It's because it doesn't play into their narrative now. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:31.320 Tammy also addressed the backlash overtaking Matt's last name, so 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.920 she said that she's changing it simply because she wants 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.760 this last name and she doesn't understand why it's a 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.400 big deal. She also said that her kids have their 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.120 dad's last name, so she doesn't have this huge attachment 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.800 to Hembro. Yeah. Well, a lot of her followers actually 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:48.200 pointed out in her comments section that it is a 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.000 big deal taking Matt's name because she has built her 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.280 empire with her last name. Heembro and I tend to agree. 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.000 I mean, everyone has their own opinions on whether they 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.960 want to take their partner's name. I haven't officially changed 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.320 my last name yet. I know you haven't either, Sophie, 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.240 but we do have the intention. I do kind of 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.560 want to change my last name at some point. For me, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.040 I want to keep my maiden name Tall but as 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.480 my professional work name, and then I want to have 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.560 Hancock as my family name because for me, I do 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.240 really want to have the same last name as my 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.720 future kids. But I just think no one should judge 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.040 anyone over their decision to keep their name or change 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.040 their name. It's a personal decision, and I think that 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.000 she's going to be keeping Hembro for all of her 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.800 work commitments. Anyway. I think though, when you really have 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.600 a big crush on somebody, the thought of having their 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.280 last name as your last name is really appealing, because 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.320 I think there's still very much in that honeymoon phase. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.000 You're like, oh my god, I'm going to be missus Cow. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.600 I can see her writing it on a little planner, 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.440 missus Tammy's a kowski. But after you've been dating for 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.600 what like six seven years, you're like, where the fuck 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.680 should I take their last year? Like, actually take mine. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.800 It's my fucking name. I mean, for me, I've had 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.320 my name longer than my husband has had his name. Well, 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.040 Dale's got a double barreled name, as I've mentioned numerous times, 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.200 and I said to him, look, if I take the name, 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.120 I'm only taking one of them, yeacause I think that's 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.120 fair now. Tammy lastly touched on media reports about her 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.760 sister's star who wasn't in attendance at her Hucks party. 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.440 She was really surprised by the media interest in this 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.040 because she said it really wasn't a big deal to her. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.240 She said she was sad that Starr wasn't there, but 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.360 the only reason she missed out was because she's currently 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.000 living in Thailand, and Tammy said that she didn't want 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.320 her to have to fly all the way there and 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.400 then come to the wedding. Later, she confirmed she will 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.440 be at the wedding. Of course, the reason that the 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.040 media were interested in Star not being there is because 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:37.480 Tammy's sisters a week prior literally shit canned Matt on 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.560 his podcast, so they were trying to piece together where 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:42.400 that all of the sisters hate him or if this 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:43.520 has called some sort of feud. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.920 Guys, I need someone to talk to you about the 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:48.960 Aspen overadrama. 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.120 None of my friends in real life grew up watching 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.920 Aspen on YouTube and I am just. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.560 At a lost for words with what is going on 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:01.600 right now. Us influenced that Aspen has sent TikTok into 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.080 a spin after posting a series of chaotic and downright 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.720 confusing updates about her divorce from Parker Ferris. Yeah, so, 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.080 Aspen filed for divorce back in April, which is so 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.080 happened to be the same day she announced the birth 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.560 of their third child, and since then, both parties have 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.000 remained tight lipped on the matter, and just last month 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.320 we covered that Aspen had told her followers that she 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.600 would continue remaining silent about her divorce. Yeah, she was 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.159 meant to be very demure, very mindful, jumping on that 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.520 whole trend saying that she wasn't going to spill any details. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:35.919 You see how I don't talk about my divorce online. 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.879 Very demure, very mindful. You see how I considered my 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:41.800 children and how it would affect them to have their 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:45.880 family's personal information shared all over the internet. Very smart, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.560 very good mom. You see how those magazines and websites 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:53.200 wrote articles sharing personal information that I hadn't shared yet 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.600 when I had just given birth to a premature baby 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:59.439 who was in NICU. Very trashy, very tacky. See how 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:03.240 I will continn you stay unbothered and not share anything 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:08.159 to protect my peace, very demuror, very mindful, very cutesy, 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:09.960 very peaceful. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.200 Well, since then, the shit has well and truly hit 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.400 the fan, because she has done a total of three 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.840 sixty so over the past week, Aspen has uploaded more 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.399 than twenty videos centered on her divorce. I'm living for 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.080 these videos. It is an absolute wild ride. I have 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.040 been consumed with this drama over the weekend, and we've 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.520 had so many listeners writing to us saying can we 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.000 unpack it together? Because it's pretty confusing and there are 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.359 a couple of twists and turns, so everyone buckle in 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.359 for this. Well, firstly, there's been a lot of confusion 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.480 as to why Aspen is suddenly talking about this now. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.480 I mean, particularly when she said she'd be staying out 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.280 of it for the sake of her children, and I 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:50.000 think at the time a lot of people really respected her. Yeah, 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.359 and also in that audio that we just listened to, 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:57.080 she condemned the media and forums for wading into the 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:00.919 weeds and being tacky talking about it, and the content 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.040 that we've seen over the past couple of days is 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.000 verging on quite tacky. Well, Aspan did explain the reason 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.960 for her sudden backflip. So she said that she shouldn't 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.920 have to suffer in silence, and that when she created 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.959 her demure video she didn't have all the facts. This 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:15.640 is what she said. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.240 No that I said, I wasn't really going to talk 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:21.399 about this a lot, but the other day when I 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.080 was feeling very cute, seemed very demuror I didn't know 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.000 what I know? Now you know who did? Everybody else? 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.480 Everybody else knew the whole time. I mean, I don't 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.200 even know what to see when she. 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.640 Said that everyone else knew. Who do you think she's 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.640 talking about? Is it friends and family or is she 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:44.520 referencing the internet? Because there were a lot of Reddit 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:49.359 forums who have been analyzing their relationship in depth. They 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.080 were the ones who actually broke the news about her divorce. 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.520 Do you think she's referencing them? I mean potentially, But 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:57.640 I also saw a lot of people in the comments 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.560 were like, what what are we meant to know? I 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.399 don't know what it is. Yeah, I am just so 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.360