Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Sophie Tauber and I'm Amy Torbert. And coming up on
Speaker 1: today's show, Tammy Hembro confirms prenup with Matt Sakowski and
Speaker 1: we unpack Aspenovard's chaotic divorce updates. But first, sophia Begs
Speaker 1: legal team has issued a cease and desist letter to
Speaker 1: her former friend Holly Mueller and her new podcast host
Speaker 1: Billy Barker in a bid to promote their new podcast,
Speaker 1: The Duots. They'd spill the tea on the friendship breakdown
Speaker 1: before we get into all of the juicy details. For
Speaker 1: some of us millennials who aren't up to date on
Speaker 1: who Sophia and Holly are, fill us in. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: they're genzt influencers who've built careers for themselves on TikTok.
Speaker 1: Some have even gone as far as comparing them to
Speaker 1: Shani and Chloe Zepp from back in the day. That's
Speaker 1: how big their popularity has been online. Yeah, Because Sophie
Speaker 1: and Holly were really close friends and they would often
Speaker 1: appear in each other's TikTok videos. So it's quite big
Speaker 1: scandal in the jed z community that these girls are
Speaker 1: no longer friends. Yeah, and they were part of a
Speaker 1: Melbourne TikTok click. So Sammy Guggenheimer was in that group
Speaker 1: as well as Easy Armitage and also sophia begs boyfriend
Speaker 1: at the time, Jordan. There's been a lot of controversy
Speaker 1: around him as well because they subsequently broke up and
Speaker 1: then Sophia moved back to New South Wales and there's
Speaker 1: constant rumors about what was the cause of the breakup
Speaker 1: because Sammy and Izzy seem to have sided with him.
Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like the Brisbane Click with Shanie
Speaker 1: and Michael and Jonathan and all that drama. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, Sophia and Holly suddenly stopped posting together.
Speaker 1: They didn't attend each other's events, so they had a
Speaker 1: few collaborations with big brand deals, they were absent from those.
Speaker 1: They also had planned to travel overseas and they just
Speaker 1: never acknowledged the friendship breakdown. They were very quiet on
Speaker 1: what happened. Well that's until now because Holly is using
Speaker 1: this drama to help promote her new podcast that She's
Speaker 1: just launched alongside another TikToker called Billy Barker, So they
Speaker 1: released a TikTok video where they lip syncd along to
Speaker 1: this audio.
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Speaker 2: times bitches.
Speaker 1: Do you have no idea? Now? The text over this
Speaker 1: video read what happened with you and dot dot Dot,
Speaker 1: and in the caption, Holly wrote, tomorrow is a scary day.
Speaker 1: And immediately Holly's followers knew she was about to spill
Speaker 1: the tea on her friendship breakdown. Yeah, and this video
Speaker 1: understandably received a lot of attention on TikTok. It had
Speaker 1: over four hundred and seventy three thousand views at the
Speaker 1: time of recording, and one thousand, six hundred cents. One
Speaker 1: follower wrote, oh my god, I love you. Speak your truth, girly,
Speaker 1: whilst another said always stand with you. So people are
Speaker 1: already taking sides over this. So so are you team
Speaker 1: Sophia or team Holly? Or are we too old for
Speaker 1: this TikTok drama? I wouldn't sound too old. I love
Speaker 1: the pettiness, but this is the first time I've come
Speaker 1: a cross Holly and I have a bit of a
Speaker 1: soft spot for Sophia. I think she is a genuinely
Speaker 1: nice person. I think she's very business savvy. I don't
Speaker 1: think that it's fair to use someone else's clout to
Speaker 1: try and promote your own podcast, and that's what these
Speaker 1: girls are doing. Literally, we talk about influencer drama on
Speaker 1: the podcast. People could say that we're using influence in
Speaker 1: the cloud. No, but there's a difference. We're not selling
Speaker 1: out someone we used to be friends with in order
Speaker 1: to promote our podcast. We're just talking about influencer topics.
Speaker 1: I think that's completely different. Well, the day before this
Speaker 1: episode was set to drop, Holly and Billy were served
Speaker 1: with a cease and desist letter on behalf of Sophia's lawyer.
Speaker 1: This is wild. Surely she was going to know that
Speaker 1: these two were going to share the letter, which of
Speaker 1: course they did online. They put up a full screenshot
Speaker 1: of the legal letter on their podcast as Instagram story
Speaker 1: and they captioned the post well, at least we have
Speaker 1: one listener. And they were pretty petty because they scribbled
Speaker 1: out Sophia's name. They intentionally made it readable because they
Speaker 1: left the first couple of letters of her name so
Speaker 1: you could see the s and the O. I just
Speaker 1: want to know did the legal document have anything about
Speaker 1: that this was a private document. It didn't actually, because
Speaker 1: we have unfortunately been dealt some legal letters, not for
Speaker 1: this podcast but for Hour Matters dealings back in the day,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them did specify that you could
Speaker 1: not share this publicly anywhere. Well, that's a big mistake
Speaker 1: by her lawyers if that's the case, because I would
Speaker 1: be stamping confidential all over this, and it is a
Speaker 1: breach to be sharing confidential information. But it seems like
Speaker 1: they've done nothing wrong by actually sharing this document. And
Speaker 1: they could also claim, well, we did cover her name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well not really. But this letter started off by saying,
Speaker 1: we have been advised that tomorrow morning, in a podcast
Speaker 1: entitled Sensory Overload with Billy Barker and Holly Mueller, Miss
Speaker 1: Sophia Begg will likely be defamed. If this occurs, you
Speaker 1: are unnoticed that legal proceedings will be commenced. It's really
Speaker 1: clear that this lawyer was trying to point out to
Speaker 1: them just how severe the concert quences would be, because
Speaker 1: he highlighted several times that if they defame her, they
Speaker 1: can be prosecuted in court. It continued, saying, our client
Speaker 1: is making it known to you that if defamatory material
Speaker 1: arises in this podcast and our client is recognized by
Speaker 1: one or more listeners slash viewers, then proceedings will commence.
Speaker 1: If you are found to have to famed our client
Speaker 1: by the court, significant financial consequences are likely to result.
Speaker 1: It then finished by asking Billy, Holly and also their
Speaker 1: manager to immediately confirm the removal of the offending segment.
Speaker 1: This legal letter was also addressed to Holly and Billy's
Speaker 1: talent agency, which is called Jake the Agency, and outlined
Speaker 1: that every single person involved in publishing the defamatory material
Speaker 1: is also liable. So he clearly was like, get this
Speaker 1: the fuck down. This is a pretty big move from
Speaker 1: Sophia because from an outside perspective, it appears that Holly
Speaker 1: has a lot of tea to spill about Sophia. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if this actually makes Sophia look really good. Well.
Speaker 1: One follower wrote underneath Sophia's recent video, someone doesn't want
Speaker 1: to get exposed, and she actually responded, this is the
Speaker 1: only thing she said about the incident, so she said
Speaker 1: someone doesn't want lies spread. It was a precaution to
Speaker 1: make sure no lies were shared. Defamation is about lies,
Speaker 1: not truth. I totally get your point though, because I
Speaker 1: think there'll be a lot of people thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 1: where there's smoke, there's fire, and she's clearly got stuff
Speaker 1: to hide if she's going to go and hire a lawyer.
Speaker 1: But I think that Sophia is very smart and know
Speaker 1: she has to protect herself against people who don't have
Speaker 1: her best interests at heart. Sophia's mum is a lawyer,
Speaker 1: so that's why I think she's been so quick to
Speaker 1: respond to this, because she knows how quickly someone can
Speaker 1: ruin your reputation by spreading lies about you. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: an interesting one. I mean, clearly this is a legitimate
Speaker 1: legal letter, because we have seen a lot of fake
Speaker 1: legal letters floating around. I mean, we received some bizarre
Speaker 1: kind of legal threat last year from Lily Brown. It
Speaker 1: was obvious it wasn't a legal letters. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: she was trying to it was written by Lily Brown's manager,
Speaker 1: who seem to think that she had the same qualifications
Speaker 1: as a lawyer. Because it did not make sense. The
Speaker 1: reality is, though a lot of influencers don't want to
Speaker 1: waste money on engaging a lawyer to send out these
Speaker 1: kinds of legal threats, because in reality, even this legal
Speaker 1: threat sent out by Sophia Beggs lawyers, they don't really
Speaker 1: have a leg to stand on because there hasn't been
Speaker 1: any defamatory material actually put out yet. However, they're saying, look,
Speaker 1: if you do that, this is what we're going to do,
Speaker 1: and sometimes that is enough to scare people from actually talking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they're putting it out there because Holly and Billy
Speaker 1: are giving it the big one, saying, oh, we're going
Speaker 1: to say all this stuff about you, and there's already
Speaker 1: hundreds of comments underneath it of people saying, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what you're going to say.
Speaker 1: But in reality, they could have used the truth defense
Speaker 1: and they could have stood by what they actually claimed
Speaker 1: in the podcast. However, it appears we are never going
Speaker 1: to hear what they really had to say. We are
Speaker 1: never going to know the full extent of what Holly
Speaker 1: planned to say on this podcast, because she and Billy
Speaker 1: ended up sharing a new episode, but it was very
Speaker 1: watered down. They only briefly touched on Sofia. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think they must have been intimidated by this letter because
Speaker 1: you had to wait until the forty seven minute mark
Speaker 1: of this fifty two minute long podcast to even hear
Speaker 1: a mention of Sophia. And I just felt so sorry
Speaker 1: for anyone who tuned in thinking that they were getting
Speaker 1: some tea or they were going to hear about some drama. Well,
Speaker 1: did they even touch on the legal letter or they
Speaker 1: just said nothing. They didn't say anything about the legal letter.
Speaker 1: All they did was what most influencers do and got
Speaker 1: their followers to send in questions for a Q and A.
Speaker 1: So of course someone asked about Sophia. Here's what Holly said.
Speaker 1: I mean, everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 3: I guess I think the universe was on my.
Speaker 1: Side that day.
Speaker 3: Is that a good saying?
Speaker 1: I think so the universe was the myst ceremonies. It
Speaker 1: wasn't even heard.
Speaker 3: No, it's actually nothing. We just obviously outgrew each other,
Speaker 3: like me and.
Speaker 2: Her didn't too much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like me and her just overgrew.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't actually her. She's actually a really nice person.
Speaker 1: But I think that's just the industry it is.
Speaker 3: Everyone falls out.
Speaker 1: On it, especially I was living in Melbourne and like
Speaker 1: whole Melbourne scene. It's like it's cult there. It's cult,
Speaker 1: it's fake.
Speaker 3: It's there's a lot of like it.
Speaker 1: And I think we're all so young, we're awesome now
Speaker 1: that big whole thing. That just made me realize I
Speaker 1: actually don't give a ship. People grow and people like
Speaker 1: they do it, they change. I'm assuming Billy meant to
Speaker 1: click instead of cult. Yeah, that really threw me because
Speaker 1: if he is implying that Sophia is part of some cult,
Speaker 1: then yes, that would be diffamatory. But I think he
Speaker 1: did mean click. I just hate when people talk in
Speaker 1: rudles like this because it's clear that they don't know
Speaker 1: that they can actually give their opinion of Sophia. They
Speaker 1: can touch on their friendship with her. They're just not
Speaker 1: able to lie about her. Well, yeah, they can't defame her.
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly they panicked about this. I think if
Speaker 1: Billy and Holly had their own independent podcasts and their
Speaker 1: agency hadn't been involved in this, perhaps they would have
Speaker 1: gone ahead and put up the full podcast where they
Speaker 1: were dishing the deal. Well, some people have been saying
Speaker 1: that Billy has mentioned on his stories that episode two
Speaker 1: was going to be the full expose, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's just because maybe they had bad downloads
Speaker 1: on the first one. They're trying to think of how
Speaker 1: to get people back in. I would have assume they
Speaker 1: had good downloads on the first one, and then next
Speaker 1: week no one's going to tune in because they feel
Speaker 1: like they've been completely let down. It was terrible. I
Speaker 1: just think it's such a cop out to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's actually really nice. It's like you were literally on
Speaker 1: your TikTok a couple of days ago, ready to get
Speaker 1: the knives out and get into it, and now you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's really nice. It's like when people say she's nice,
Speaker 1: but like I'm waiting for the butt.
Speaker 4: I guess so many things that I just literally do
Speaker 4: not think are a big deal or do not like
Speaker 4: affect our lives at all, are such a big deal
Speaker 4: to people that don't even know us.
Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro has hit back at media reports which claimed
Speaker 1: she and fiance Matt Szakowski were fighting over a prenuptial
Speaker 1: agreement now. Last week, Sophie we discussed how The Daily
Speaker 1: Mail had uploaded paparazzi shots of Tammy and Matt outside
Speaker 1: their joint Hucks party on the Gold Coast, and Tammy
Speaker 1: appeared to be in tears while Matt was seen consoling her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in this article, the Daily Mail quoted a source
Speaker 1: as saying there had been tension between the couple as
Speaker 1: Matt was refusing to sign a prenuptial agreement. Now there's
Speaker 1: got a lot of people talking online and there has
Speaker 1: already been a lot of accusations flying around that potentially
Speaker 1: Matt was using Tammy for her money, because she is
Speaker 1: worth an estimated fifty million dollars. I mean, we had
Speaker 1: a discussion about this. I think there's a lot more
Speaker 1: to Tammy that Matt would be after than her money,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. But you've got to also think it's
Speaker 1: very odd for someone to want to lock this down
Speaker 1: so quickly, and most normal people would jump to the conclusion, well,
Speaker 1: what does this person have to gain out of it? Well,
Speaker 1: this article did not do much for Matt's credibility, but
Speaker 1: Tammy has put the rumors to bed, so she took
Speaker 1: to TikTok late last week to address some of the
Speaker 1: headlines that had come out following her joint Hucks party
Speaker 1: with Matt. Let's have a listen to what Tammy said
Speaker 1: about the prenup allegations, this could not.
Speaker 4: Be further from the truth. Like we have not once,
Speaker 4: like a.
Speaker 1: Prenup has not once come up in argument for us.
Speaker 4: We agreed pretty much showed away that we would get
Speaker 4: a premun It just seemed like a smart thing to
Speaker 4: do for both of our sex. Like it wasn't something
Speaker 4: that we have ever thought about once literally ever.
Speaker 1: Tammy went on to say that the rumors were completely
Speaker 1: and utterly made up, and pointed out that she was
Speaker 1: clearly hugging Matt in the pap shots. I'm really relieved
Speaker 1: to hear that there is a prenup in place, because
Speaker 1: I was starting to feel really nervous for Tammy. And
Speaker 1: as you say, obviously Tammy has a lot more to
Speaker 1: offer than just her money. But when people race into
Speaker 1: a relationship, maybe you haven't had time to get to
Speaker 1: know each other. And also the other rumors that have
Speaker 1: come out following the Grand Prix, it does lead your
Speaker 1: mind to think about the worst and the fact that
Speaker 1: she has built up her career and her empire. I
Speaker 1: would hate to see her lose that. Yeah. Well, Tummy
Speaker 1: went on to say in this TikTok that she can
Speaker 1: understand why so many people are interested in their relationship,
Speaker 1: and she said she can see why people want to
Speaker 1: make things up. But she said it's just getting old now.
Speaker 1: Is it old? Though? Because one thing that she didn't
Speaker 1: confirm in this TikTok is why they unfollowed each other,
Speaker 1: And that is what everyone wanted to know, because a
Speaker 1: lot of these articles and rumors wouldn't have started if
Speaker 1: they didn't publicly unfollow each other. I one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 1: I am glad that she has touched on this elephant
Speaker 1: that has been in the room about this prenup. And interestingly,
Speaker 1: The Daily Mail has not reported on Tammy's statement about
Speaker 1: Matt signing this prenup. They of course ran the first
Speaker 1: article accusing Tammy and Matt of having an argument over this. Well,
Speaker 1: is it completely surprising because that would basically be them
Speaker 1: admitting that their sources got it wrong. But it's disappointing.
Speaker 1: I haven't really seen anybody cover it except our own
Speaker 1: podcast and also Influencer Updates AU. It seems like the
Speaker 1: media are only willing to push this negative side about
Speaker 1: the couple. It's because it doesn't play into their narrative now.
Speaker 1: Tammy also addressed the backlash overtaking Matt's last name, so
Speaker 1: she said that she's changing it simply because she wants
Speaker 1: this last name and she doesn't understand why it's a
Speaker 1: big deal. She also said that her kids have their
Speaker 1: dad's last name, so she doesn't have this huge attachment
Speaker 1: to Hembro. Yeah. Well, a lot of her followers actually
Speaker 1: pointed out in her comments section that it is a
Speaker 1: big deal taking Matt's name because she has built her
Speaker 1: empire with her last name. Heembro and I tend to agree.
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone has their own opinions on whether they
Speaker 1: want to take their partner's name. I haven't officially changed
Speaker 1: my last name yet. I know you haven't either, Sophie,
Speaker 1: but we do have the intention. I do kind of
Speaker 1: want to change my last name at some point. For me,
Speaker 1: I want to keep my maiden name Tall but as
Speaker 1: my professional work name, and then I want to have
Speaker 1: Hancock as my family name because for me, I do
Speaker 1: really want to have the same last name as my
Speaker 1: future kids. But I just think no one should judge
Speaker 1: anyone over their decision to keep their name or change
Speaker 1: their name. It's a personal decision, and I think that
Speaker 1: she's going to be keeping Hembro for all of her
Speaker 1: work commitments. Anyway. I think though, when you really have
Speaker 1: a big crush on somebody, the thought of having their
Speaker 1: last name as your last name is really appealing, because
Speaker 1: I think there's still very much in that honeymoon phase.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, I'm going to be missus Cow.
Speaker 1: I can see her writing it on a little planner,
Speaker 1: missus Tammy's a kowski. But after you've been dating for
Speaker 1: what like six seven years, you're like, where the fuck
Speaker 1: should I take their last year? Like, actually take mine.
Speaker 1: It's my fucking name. I mean, for me, I've had
Speaker 1: my name longer than my husband has had his name. Well,
Speaker 1: Dale's got a double barreled name, as I've mentioned numerous times,
Speaker 1: and I said to him, look, if I take the name,
Speaker 1: I'm only taking one of them, yeacause I think that's
Speaker 1: fair now. Tammy lastly touched on media reports about her
Speaker 1: sister's star who wasn't in attendance at her Hucks party.
Speaker 1: She was really surprised by the media interest in this
Speaker 1: because she said it really wasn't a big deal to her.
Speaker 1: She said she was sad that Starr wasn't there, but
Speaker 1: the only reason she missed out was because she's currently
Speaker 1: living in Thailand, and Tammy said that she didn't want
Speaker 1: her to have to fly all the way there and
Speaker 1: then come to the wedding. Later, she confirmed she will
Speaker 1: be at the wedding. Of course, the reason that the
Speaker 1: media were interested in Star not being there is because
Speaker 1: Tammy's sisters a week prior literally shit canned Matt on
Speaker 1: his podcast, so they were trying to piece together where
Speaker 1: that all of the sisters hate him or if this
Speaker 1: has called some sort of feud.
Speaker 2: Guys, I need someone to talk to you about the
Speaker 2: Aspen overadrama.
Speaker 3: None of my friends in real life grew up watching
Speaker 3: Aspen on YouTube and I am just.
Speaker 1: At a lost for words with what is going on
Speaker 1: right now. Us influenced that Aspen has sent TikTok into
Speaker 1: a spin after posting a series of chaotic and downright
Speaker 1: confusing updates about her divorce from Parker Ferris. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: Aspen filed for divorce back in April, which is so
Speaker 1: happened to be the same day she announced the birth
Speaker 1: of their third child, and since then, both parties have
Speaker 1: remained tight lipped on the matter, and just last month
Speaker 1: we covered that Aspen had told her followers that she
Speaker 1: would continue remaining silent about her divorce. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: meant to be very demure, very mindful, jumping on that
Speaker 1: whole trend saying that she wasn't going to spill any details.
Speaker 2: You see how I don't talk about my divorce online.
Speaker 2: Very demure, very mindful. You see how I considered my
Speaker 2: children and how it would affect them to have their
Speaker 2: family's personal information shared all over the internet. Very smart,
Speaker 2: very good mom. You see how those magazines and websites
Speaker 2: wrote articles sharing personal information that I hadn't shared yet
Speaker 2: when I had just given birth to a premature baby
Speaker 2: who was in NICU. Very trashy, very tacky. See how
Speaker 2: I will continn you stay unbothered and not share anything
Speaker 2: to protect my peace, very demuror, very mindful, very cutesy,
Speaker 2: very peaceful.
Speaker 1: Well, since then, the shit has well and truly hit
Speaker 1: the fan, because she has done a total of three
Speaker 1: sixty so over the past week, Aspen has uploaded more
Speaker 1: than twenty videos centered on her divorce. I'm living for
Speaker 1: these videos. It is an absolute wild ride. I have
Speaker 1: been consumed with this drama over the weekend, and we've
Speaker 1: had so many listeners writing to us saying can we
Speaker 1: unpack it together? Because it's pretty confusing and there are
Speaker 1: a couple of twists and turns, so everyone buckle in
Speaker 1: for this. Well, firstly, there's been a lot of confusion
Speaker 1: as to why Aspen is suddenly talking about this now.
Speaker 1: I mean, particularly when she said she'd be staying out
Speaker 1: of it for the sake of her children, and I
Speaker 1: think at the time a lot of people really respected her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also in that audio that we just listened to,
Speaker 1: she condemned the media and forums for wading into the
Speaker 1: weeds and being tacky talking about it, and the content
Speaker 1: that we've seen over the past couple of days is
Speaker 1: verging on quite tacky. Well, Aspan did explain the reason
Speaker 1: for her sudden backflip. So she said that she shouldn't
Speaker 1: have to suffer in silence, and that when she created
Speaker 1: her demure video she didn't have all the facts. This
Speaker 1: is what she said.
Speaker 2: No that I said, I wasn't really going to talk
Speaker 2: about this a lot, but the other day when I
Speaker 2: was feeling very cute, seemed very demuror I didn't know
Speaker 2: what I know? Now you know who did? Everybody else?
Speaker 2: Everybody else knew the whole time. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: even know what to see when she.
Speaker 1: Said that everyone else knew. Who do you think she's
Speaker 1: talking about? Is it friends and family or is she
Speaker 1: referencing the internet? Because there were a lot of Reddit
Speaker 1: forums who have been analyzing their relationship in depth. They
Speaker 1: were the ones who actually broke the news about her divorce.
Speaker 1: Do you think she's referencing them? I mean potentially, But
Speaker 1: I also saw a lot of people in the comments
Speaker 1: were like, what what are we meant to know? I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. Yeah, I am just so
Speaker 1: desperate to find out what it is. My mind instantly
Speaker 1: jumped to cheating, and she backed this up in a
Speaker 1: subsequent video by saying this.
Speaker 2: Because I feel so sick to my stomach all the time,
Speaker 2: and I feel like I could literally throw up at
Speaker 2: any moment, because I'm in such disbelief about the deception
Speaker 2: that I have experienced in just like all of the
Speaker 2: traumatic things that I have been through.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty big thing to say that you've experienced
Speaker 1: deception because automatically people are going to think that you've
Speaker 1: been cheated on. Yeah, well that's where my mind went.
Speaker 1: I mean, anytime there is a relationship breakdown, especially when
Speaker 1: you've just had a child. I suppose you think of
Speaker 1: the biggest deception there could be in a relationship, and
Speaker 1: my mind always goes to cheating. Well, yeah, exactly, because
Speaker 1: the fact that she filed for divorce on the day
Speaker 1: that she announced that her child had been born, it
Speaker 1: seemed like it was something very sudden. Adding another layer
Speaker 1: of complexity to this situation is that Aspen over is
Speaker 1: a Mormon, so I think a lot of people just
Speaker 1: expected maybe they would stay together. Well, it's not against
Speaker 1: their faiths to get divorced, but it's very frowned upon
Speaker 1: in those conservative communities. It's interesting because Aspen's parents and
Speaker 1: also grandparents are divorced, so I think that she saw
Speaker 1: her mother was much happier after getting a divorce and thought, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a better life. Well. Interestingly, a lot
Speaker 1: of people have been saying that since this separation, Aspen
Speaker 1: looks like she's glowing and she looks really really happy.
Speaker 1: But she's come out and said that she's completely heartbroken
Speaker 1: and has been crying all the time. She even said
Speaker 1: she's lost so much weight because she just can't stomach
Speaker 1: any food.
Speaker 3: I would give every single thing I have to be
Speaker 3: able to change certain things in my life, like even
Speaker 3: being divorced, Like I literally it's like devastated. It's not
Speaker 3: even a strong enough word. Like I feel.
Speaker 1: I feel like someone literally.
Speaker 2: Has like stabbed me over and over and.
Speaker 3: Just like dragged the mate. This is not what I ever.
Speaker 2: Wanted for my family.
Speaker 1: I think it's important to actually see that because you
Speaker 1: see her new content and think, oh, she's moved on.
Speaker 1: Everything's fine, But this is affecting her like it would
Speaker 1: anyone else. What I found really fascinating is that Aspen
Speaker 1: then went on to reveal that during her relationship with Parker,
Speaker 1: she was the only one providing financially for their family.
Speaker 1: She took a real shot at him over this because
Speaker 1: she said that she was carrying the mental load of
Speaker 1: raising the kids, being a working mum and providing for them.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he just thought, well, she's earning all
Speaker 1: this money off social media. You know when people sort
Speaker 1: of pull down what their partner's doing because it's not
Speaker 1: a conventional jole and take it for granted. Oh, she's
Speaker 1: earning bucket loads of money. And a lot of the
Speaker 1: videos were also about the whole family, so maybe he
Speaker 1: felt like, well, I'm in the videos, so yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a family vlog. This this whole concept of him
Speaker 1: not providing for her was also backed up in another
Speaker 1: video where she was talking about what she wants in
Speaker 1: her next relationship, and she specified that she wants someone
Speaker 1: who has a job and will financially contribute. I mean, again,
Speaker 1: the bar is kind of on the floor. That's aos start,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah. Well, Aspen has been talking so much
Speaker 1: in riddles, and this has of course led the internet
Speaker 1: to try and work out what the situation actually is.
Speaker 1: And there have been so many rumors about what has
Speaker 1: caused this divorce, and one that has started gaining a
Speaker 1: lot of traction online is that Parker must be gay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This was a really uncomfortable rumor because I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone should expose anyone's sexuality. And I think it comes
Speaker 1: from the fact that, as we touched on, they have
Speaker 1: grown up in a very conservative environment and I suppose
Speaker 1: that would be somewhat scandalous. Yeah. I felt really uncomfortable
Speaker 1: when I saw those rumors floating around as well, and
Speaker 1: I think that often when influencers speak in riddles, this
Speaker 1: is the out that people jumped to these wild accusations
Speaker 1: because everyone wants to know, and it's almost as if
Speaker 1: the influencer is trying to get you to guess what's
Speaker 1: going on. Well, people are left to their own devices,
Speaker 1: aren't Yeah, And this rumor was really fanned by Aspen
Speaker 1: because randomly she posted a video saying that she would
Speaker 1: never talk about someone's sexuality on the internet and basically
Speaker 1: that it's their story to tell. And she also prefaced
Speaker 1: that growing up in Utah, there's a big Mormon community
Speaker 1: and so many people are not free to be themselves.
Speaker 1: So instantly everyone's like she's talking about her ex husband.
Speaker 1: That's clearly why they broke up. Well, another reason followers
Speaker 1: jumped to this conclusion was because Aspen included rainbow love
Speaker 1: hearts in one of her videos, so everyone thought this
Speaker 1: must be the next clue, which is quite funny because
Speaker 1: it was actually a clue about her own sexuality, because
Speaker 1: she then shared a video with texts over it that
Speaker 1: said when everyone thinks he's gay because I put rainbow
Speaker 1: hearts on my video, but the video was literally about me.
Speaker 1: She then added this sound gay girl play that was gay.
Speaker 1: I'd be like ime gay now, Hey, with the geeze plagay.
Speaker 1: This was accompanied by the caption He's not, but I
Speaker 1: might be a little We'll see. This got a huge
Speaker 1: response from her followers. They were saying that this was
Speaker 1: simply iconic and that they were living for the updates.
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people commenting saying I used
Speaker 1: to be an aspen Ovard fangirl back in the day,
Speaker 1: and all of this drama has meant they've returned now
Speaker 1: to her content. Well, I'm definitely going to be keeping
Speaker 1: up with her. I think I like this new version
Speaker 1: of her better. She's more interesting now. Things got even
Speaker 1: more confusing, if that's possible when Aspen started sharing videos
Speaker 1: joking that Parker should launch a TikTok career off the
Speaker 1: drama and lead into the villain arc that she's created,
Speaker 1: and she was also suggesting different ways that he could
Speaker 1: go off online, and this led people to think, well,
Speaker 1: are they friends? Like, is something going on in the background?
Speaker 1: Is this all for peace? And Aspen responded saying that
Speaker 1: they have kids together, so of course they're going to
Speaker 1: hang out and occasionally he will be in the background
Speaker 1: of her content. She also used this video as an
Speaker 1: opportunity to confirm that he's not gay and to her knowledge,
Speaker 1: she's never been cheated on. Wow, And she seemed in
Speaker 1: really good spirits in this video, because in all of
Speaker 1: the other ones she was very down and upset, and
Speaker 1: I was surprised because she then revealed that the reason
Speaker 1: she was in such a good mood was because she
Speaker 1: had just taken a weed gummy. Now, this really does
Speaker 1: move away from the wholesome family vibe. She seems to
Speaker 1: be rebranding herself for weed is legal and a lot
Speaker 1: of states in the US, so well, that is a
Speaker 1: good point. But she's also been talking about how she's
Speaker 1: drinking more and she never drunk before, so she's definitely
Speaker 1: growing up. In another podcast, she said that as soon
Speaker 1: as she turned twenty five, everything clicked and changed and
Speaker 1: she thought of the world completely differently. Well, if you
Speaker 1: can believe it. Sophie, Asben's mother in law, has also
Speaker 1: weighed into the drama, so she clearly wasn't pleased by
Speaker 1: Aspen's chaotic posting, and she shared an update to her
Speaker 1: own Instagram story, I love this so much so. She
Speaker 1: uploaded a photo of a grizzly bear that was bearing
Speaker 1: its teeth with the caption stop Mama Bear is coming out.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned, and then she added a poll asking her
Speaker 1: followers if they'd like to hear another side of the story. Well,
Speaker 1: yes I would because I'm utterly confused about this whole situation.
Speaker 1: So he hasn't cheated, he's not gay. What the fuck
Speaker 1: is going on? Well, the things get even more iconic
Speaker 1: because Aspen responded by sharing a video of her straddling
Speaker 1: Parker in bed with the caption his mom can't do
Speaker 1: what I can. She then wrote underneath she might be
Speaker 1: Mama Bear, but I am mother Now. For those who
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, she was wearing a white singler with
Speaker 1: cherries and white shorts and her crutch area was censored
Speaker 1: in this video, and you could see his legs flailing
Speaker 1: in the background whilst she was straddling him. It was
Speaker 1: fucking funny. I'm assuming this is an old video. No,
Speaker 1: he is actively part of this. This is all current.
Speaker 1: So she then uploaded another video where she was sitting
Speaker 1: in Parker's lap with this audio.
Speaker 3: Ask her this baby.
Speaker 1: I know I was a bad girl, but come on,
Speaker 1: you have to be crazy God to take me back now.
Speaker 1: This video has had eight million views. Surely the whole
Speaker 1: family isn't on this, like this must be some kind
Speaker 1: of huge TikTok stunt. I ran immediately to the comment section,
Speaker 1: and it was so funny because one follower said, this
Speaker 1: is the hardest math problem I've ever had to solve,
Speaker 1: whilst another said aspens TikTok has become my new favorite
Speaker 1: reality show, and another said trying to figure this out
Speaker 1: has become my new favorite game. This is reminding me
Speaker 1: a bit of the Mormon Wives reality show. Some crazy
Speaker 1: stuff seems to happen in Mormon communities. One follower had
Speaker 1: an interesting theory, and that was that Parker has left
Speaker 1: Aspen in a lot of debt and he has agreed
Speaker 1: to film this content in order to pay back the debt.
Speaker 1: Surely well, Aspen immediately debunked this because she announced that
Speaker 1: all of the money that she's made this week off
Speaker 1: all of her crazy videos, she is going to donate
Speaker 1: to Florida's hurricane victims. So I like that yeah. And
Speaker 1: she also said that this is not a publicity stunt
Speaker 1: and that she knows when her daughters see the content
Speaker 1: that she's created when they're older, they will think that
Speaker 1: she is an icon. But how can you be an
Speaker 1: icon if everyone's so utterly confused about what she's talking, Well,
Speaker 1: she said that it's not that deep, and the girlies
Speaker 1: who get it get it now. This is in reference
Speaker 1: to the fact that a lot of her og followers
Speaker 1: know that this is her sense of humor, because a
Speaker 1: lot of her longtime followers have come out and created
Speaker 1: these reaction videos and they've said, this is just her
Speaker 1: sense of humor. This is the way that she's getting
Speaker 1: through it by making funny content and not getting too
Speaker 1: deep on it. Well, surely Aspen is going to come
Speaker 1: out and spill the details on maybe like a Caller
Speaker 1: Daddy podcast. Yeah. My gut feeling is that this is
Speaker 1: down to finances and there's a deal being done behind
Speaker 1: Aspen's bad. But I don't get about this whole situation
Speaker 1: is Aspen is literally baiting her followers and then once
Speaker 1: they've jumped to a particular conclusion, she goes, Oh, no,
Speaker 1: that's not the case, that's not what I was saying. Well,
Speaker 1: why don't you just say it? I know it's so confusing.
Speaker 1: I mean, she says, Oh, this isn't a PR stunt,
Speaker 1: but it definitely feels like it. Because the fact that
Speaker 1: Parker is involved in these videos weird, Like if you're
Speaker 1: on there ragging on him saying that he hasn't supported
Speaker 1: you financially, he's potentially gay, he's potentially cheated on you,
Speaker 1: why would he then be happy to appear in the content. Well,
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