1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: Sophie Tauber and I'm Amy Torbert. And coming up on 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: today's show, Tammy Hembro confirms prenup with Matt Sakowski and 5 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: we unpack Aspenovard's chaotic divorce updates. But first, sophia Begs 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: legal team has issued a cease and desist letter to 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: her former friend Holly Mueller and her new podcast host 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: Billy Barker in a bid to promote their new podcast, 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: The Duots. They'd spill the tea on the friendship breakdown 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: before we get into all of the juicy details. For 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: some of us millennials who aren't up to date on 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: who Sophia and Holly are, fill us in. Yeah, Well, 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: they're genzt influencers who've built careers for themselves on TikTok. 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: Some have even gone as far as comparing them to 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: Shani and Chloe Zepp from back in the day. That's 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: how big their popularity has been online. Yeah, Because Sophie 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: and Holly were really close friends and they would often 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: appear in each other's TikTok videos. So it's quite big 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: scandal in the jed z community that these girls are 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: no longer friends. Yeah, and they were part of a 21 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: Melbourne TikTok click. So Sammy Guggenheimer was in that group 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: as well as Easy Armitage and also sophia begs boyfriend 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: at the time, Jordan. There's been a lot of controversy 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: around him as well because they subsequently broke up and 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: then Sophia moved back to New South Wales and there's 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: constant rumors about what was the cause of the breakup 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: because Sammy and Izzy seem to have sided with him. 28 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like the Brisbane Click with Shanie 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: and Michael and Jonathan and all that drama. Yeah, and 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: out of nowhere, Sophia and Holly suddenly stopped posting together. 31 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: They didn't attend each other's events, so they had a 32 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: few collaborations with big brand deals, they were absent from those. 33 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: They also had planned to travel overseas and they just 34 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: never acknowledged the friendship breakdown. They were very quiet on 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 1: what happened. Well that's until now because Holly is using 36 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: this drama to help promote her new podcast that She's 37 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: just launched alongside another TikToker called Billy Barker, So they 38 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: released a TikTok video where they lip syncd along to 39 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: this audio. 40 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 2: Took some time off to rest and now it's king 41 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 2: times bitches. 42 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: Do you have no idea? Now? The text over this 43 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: video read what happened with you and dot dot Dot, 44 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: and in the caption, Holly wrote, tomorrow is a scary day. 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: And immediately Holly's followers knew she was about to spill 46 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: the tea on her friendship breakdown. Yeah, and this video 47 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: understandably received a lot of attention on TikTok. It had 48 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: over four hundred and seventy three thousand views at the 49 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: time of recording, and one thousand, six hundred cents. One 50 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: follower wrote, oh my god, I love you. Speak your truth, girly, 51 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: whilst another said always stand with you. So people are 52 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: already taking sides over this. So so are you team 53 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: Sophia or team Holly? Or are we too old for 54 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: this TikTok drama? I wouldn't sound too old. I love 55 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: the pettiness, but this is the first time I've come 56 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: a cross Holly and I have a bit of a 57 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: soft spot for Sophia. I think she is a genuinely 58 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: nice person. I think she's very business savvy. I don't 59 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: think that it's fair to use someone else's clout to 60 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: try and promote your own podcast, and that's what these 61 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: girls are doing. Literally, we talk about influencer drama on 62 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: the podcast. People could say that we're using influence in 63 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: the cloud. No, but there's a difference. We're not selling 64 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: out someone we used to be friends with in order 65 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: to promote our podcast. We're just talking about influencer topics. 66 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: I think that's completely different. Well, the day before this 67 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: episode was set to drop, Holly and Billy were served 68 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: with a cease and desist letter on behalf of Sophia's lawyer. 69 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: This is wild. Surely she was going to know that 70 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: these two were going to share the letter, which of 71 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: course they did online. They put up a full screenshot 72 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: of the legal letter on their podcast as Instagram story 73 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: and they captioned the post well, at least we have 74 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: one listener. And they were pretty petty because they scribbled 75 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: out Sophia's name. They intentionally made it readable because they 76 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: left the first couple of letters of her name so 77 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: you could see the s and the O. I just 78 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: want to know did the legal document have anything about 79 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: that this was a private document. It didn't actually, because 80 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: we have unfortunately been dealt some legal letters, not for 81 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: this podcast but for Hour Matters dealings back in the day, 82 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: and a lot of them did specify that you could 83 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: not share this publicly anywhere. Well, that's a big mistake 84 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: by her lawyers if that's the case, because I would 85 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: be stamping confidential all over this, and it is a 86 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: breach to be sharing confidential information. But it seems like 87 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: they've done nothing wrong by actually sharing this document. And 88 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: they could also claim, well, we did cover her name. Yeah, 89 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: well not really. But this letter started off by saying, 90 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: we have been advised that tomorrow morning, in a podcast 91 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: entitled Sensory Overload with Billy Barker and Holly Mueller, Miss 92 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: Sophia Begg will likely be defamed. If this occurs, you 93 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: are unnoticed that legal proceedings will be commenced. It's really 94 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: clear that this lawyer was trying to point out to 95 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: them just how severe the concert quences would be, because 96 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: he highlighted several times that if they defame her, they 97 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: can be prosecuted in court. It continued, saying, our client 98 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: is making it known to you that if defamatory material 99 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: arises in this podcast and our client is recognized by 100 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: one or more listeners slash viewers, then proceedings will commence. 101 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: If you are found to have to famed our client 102 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: by the court, significant financial consequences are likely to result. 103 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: It then finished by asking Billy, Holly and also their 104 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: manager to immediately confirm the removal of the offending segment. 105 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: This legal letter was also addressed to Holly and Billy's 106 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: talent agency, which is called Jake the Agency, and outlined 107 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: that every single person involved in publishing the defamatory material 108 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: is also liable. So he clearly was like, get this 109 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: the fuck down. This is a pretty big move from 110 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: Sophia because from an outside perspective, it appears that Holly 111 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: has a lot of tea to spill about Sophia. So 112 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if this actually makes Sophia look really good. Well. 113 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: One follower wrote underneath Sophia's recent video, someone doesn't want 114 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: to get exposed, and she actually responded, this is the 115 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: only thing she said about the incident, so she said 116 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: someone doesn't want lies spread. It was a precaution to 117 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: make sure no lies were shared. Defamation is about lies, 118 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: not truth. I totally get your point though, because I 119 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: think there'll be a lot of people thinking, oh, well, 120 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: where there's smoke, there's fire, and she's clearly got stuff 121 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: to hide if she's going to go and hire a lawyer. 122 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: But I think that Sophia is very smart and know 123 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: she has to protect herself against people who don't have 124 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: her best interests at heart. Sophia's mum is a lawyer, 125 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: so that's why I think she's been so quick to 126 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: respond to this, because she knows how quickly someone can 127 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: ruin your reputation by spreading lies about you. Yeah, it's 128 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: an interesting one. I mean, clearly this is a legitimate 129 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,119 Speaker 1: legal letter, because we have seen a lot of fake 130 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: legal letters floating around. I mean, we received some bizarre 131 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: kind of legal threat last year from Lily Brown. It 132 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: was obvious it wasn't a legal letters. I'm not saying 133 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: she was trying to it was written by Lily Brown's manager, 134 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: who seem to think that she had the same qualifications 135 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: as a lawyer. Because it did not make sense. The 136 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: reality is, though a lot of influencers don't want to 137 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: waste money on engaging a lawyer to send out these 138 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: kinds of legal threats, because in reality, even this legal 139 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: threat sent out by Sophia Beggs lawyers, they don't really 140 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: have a leg to stand on because there hasn't been 141 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: any defamatory material actually put out yet. However, they're saying, look, 142 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: if you do that, this is what we're going to do, 143 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: and sometimes that is enough to scare people from actually talking. Yeah, 144 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: but they're putting it out there because Holly and Billy 145 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: are giving it the big one, saying, oh, we're going 146 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: to say all this stuff about you, and there's already 147 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: hundreds of comments underneath it of people saying, oh my god, 148 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what you're going to say. 149 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: But in reality, they could have used the truth defense 150 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: and they could have stood by what they actually claimed 151 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: in the podcast. However, it appears we are never going 152 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: to hear what they really had to say. We are 153 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: never going to know the full extent of what Holly 154 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: planned to say on this podcast, because she and Billy 155 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: ended up sharing a new episode, but it was very 156 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: watered down. They only briefly touched on Sofia. Yeah. I 157 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: think they must have been intimidated by this letter because 158 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: you had to wait until the forty seven minute mark 159 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: of this fifty two minute long podcast to even hear 160 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: a mention of Sophia. And I just felt so sorry 161 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: for anyone who tuned in thinking that they were getting 162 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: some tea or they were going to hear about some drama. Well, 163 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: did they even touch on the legal letter or they 164 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: just said nothing. They didn't say anything about the legal letter. 165 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: All they did was what most influencers do and got 166 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: their followers to send in questions for a Q and A. 167 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: So of course someone asked about Sophia. Here's what Holly said. 168 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: I mean, everything happens for a reason. 169 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: I guess I think the universe was on my. 170 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: Side that day. 171 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: Is that a good saying? 172 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: I think so the universe was the myst ceremonies. It 173 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: wasn't even heard. 174 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 3: No, it's actually nothing. We just obviously outgrew each other, 175 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: like me and. 176 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: Her didn't too much. 177 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, like me and her just overgrew. 178 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: But it wasn't actually her. She's actually a really nice person. 179 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: But I think that's just the industry it is. 180 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: Everyone falls out. 181 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: On it, especially I was living in Melbourne and like 182 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: whole Melbourne scene. It's like it's cult there. It's cult, 183 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: it's fake. 184 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 3: It's there's a lot of like it. 185 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: And I think we're all so young, we're awesome now 186 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: that big whole thing. That just made me realize I 187 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: actually don't give a ship. People grow and people like 188 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: they do it, they change. I'm assuming Billy meant to 189 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: click instead of cult. Yeah, that really threw me because 190 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: if he is implying that Sophia is part of some cult, 191 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: then yes, that would be diffamatory. But I think he 192 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: did mean click. I just hate when people talk in 193 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: rudles like this because it's clear that they don't know 194 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: that they can actually give their opinion of Sophia. They 195 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: can touch on their friendship with her. They're just not 196 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: able to lie about her. Well, yeah, they can't defame her. 197 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: I mean, clearly they panicked about this. I think if 198 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: Billy and Holly had their own independent podcasts and their 199 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: agency hadn't been involved in this, perhaps they would have 200 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: gone ahead and put up the full podcast where they 201 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: were dishing the deal. Well, some people have been saying 202 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: that Billy has mentioned on his stories that episode two 203 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: was going to be the full expose, but I don't 204 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,479 Speaker 1: know if that's just because maybe they had bad downloads 205 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: on the first one. They're trying to think of how 206 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: to get people back in. I would have assume they 207 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: had good downloads on the first one, and then next 208 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: week no one's going to tune in because they feel 209 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: like they've been completely let down. It was terrible. I 210 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: just think it's such a cop out to be like, oh, 211 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: she's actually really nice. It's like you were literally on 212 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: your TikTok a couple of days ago, ready to get 213 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: the knives out and get into it, and now you're like, oh, 214 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: she's really nice. It's like when people say she's nice, 215 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: but like I'm waiting for the butt. 216 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 4: I guess so many things that I just literally do 217 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 4: not think are a big deal or do not like 218 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 4: affect our lives at all, are such a big deal 219 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: to people that don't even know us. 220 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro has hit back at media reports which claimed 221 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: she and fiance Matt Szakowski were fighting over a prenuptial 222 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: agreement now. Last week, Sophie we discussed how The Daily 223 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: Mail had uploaded paparazzi shots of Tammy and Matt outside 224 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: their joint Hucks party on the Gold Coast, and Tammy 225 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: appeared to be in tears while Matt was seen consoling her. Yeah, 226 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: and in this article, the Daily Mail quoted a source 227 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: as saying there had been tension between the couple as 228 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: Matt was refusing to sign a prenuptial agreement. Now there's 229 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: got a lot of people talking online and there has 230 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: already been a lot of accusations flying around that potentially 231 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: Matt was using Tammy for her money, because she is 232 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: worth an estimated fifty million dollars. I mean, we had 233 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: a discussion about this. I think there's a lot more 234 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: to Tammy that Matt would be after than her money, 235 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. But you've got to also think it's 236 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: very odd for someone to want to lock this down 237 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: so quickly, and most normal people would jump to the conclusion, well, 238 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: what does this person have to gain out of it? Well, 239 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: this article did not do much for Matt's credibility, but 240 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: Tammy has put the rumors to bed, so she took 241 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: to TikTok late last week to address some of the 242 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: headlines that had come out following her joint Hucks party 243 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: with Matt. Let's have a listen to what Tammy said 244 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: about the prenup allegations, this could not. 245 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 4: Be further from the truth. Like we have not once, 246 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 4: like a. 247 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: Prenup has not once come up in argument for us. 248 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 4: We agreed pretty much showed away that we would get 249 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: a premun It just seemed like a smart thing to 250 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 4: do for both of our sex. Like it wasn't something 251 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 4: that we have ever thought about once literally ever. 252 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: Tammy went on to say that the rumors were completely 253 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: and utterly made up, and pointed out that she was 254 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: clearly hugging Matt in the pap shots. I'm really relieved 255 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: to hear that there is a prenup in place, because 256 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: I was starting to feel really nervous for Tammy. And 257 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: as you say, obviously Tammy has a lot more to 258 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: offer than just her money. But when people race into 259 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: a relationship, maybe you haven't had time to get to 260 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: know each other. And also the other rumors that have 261 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: come out following the Grand Prix, it does lead your 262 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: mind to think about the worst and the fact that 263 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: she has built up her career and her empire. I 264 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: would hate to see her lose that. Yeah. Well, Tummy 265 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: went on to say in this TikTok that she can 266 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: understand why so many people are interested in their relationship, 267 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: and she said she can see why people want to 268 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: make things up. But she said it's just getting old now. 269 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: Is it old? Though? Because one thing that she didn't 270 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: confirm in this TikTok is why they unfollowed each other, 271 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: And that is what everyone wanted to know, because a 272 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: lot of these articles and rumors wouldn't have started if 273 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: they didn't publicly unfollow each other. I one hundred percent agree. 274 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: I am glad that she has touched on this elephant 275 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: that has been in the room about this prenup. And interestingly, 276 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: The Daily Mail has not reported on Tammy's statement about 277 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: Matt signing this prenup. They of course ran the first 278 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: article accusing Tammy and Matt of having an argument over this. Well, 279 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: is it completely surprising because that would basically be them 280 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: admitting that their sources got it wrong. But it's disappointing. 281 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: I haven't really seen anybody cover it except our own 282 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: podcast and also Influencer Updates AU. It seems like the 283 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: media are only willing to push this negative side about 284 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: the couple. It's because it doesn't play into their narrative now. 285 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: Tammy also addressed the backlash overtaking Matt's last name, so 286 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: she said that she's changing it simply because she wants 287 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: this last name and she doesn't understand why it's a 288 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: big deal. She also said that her kids have their 289 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: dad's last name, so she doesn't have this huge attachment 290 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: to Hembro. Yeah. Well, a lot of her followers actually 291 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: pointed out in her comments section that it is a 292 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: big deal taking Matt's name because she has built her 293 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: empire with her last name. Heembro and I tend to agree. 294 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean, everyone has their own opinions on whether they 295 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: want to take their partner's name. I haven't officially changed 296 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: my last name yet. I know you haven't either, Sophie, 297 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: but we do have the intention. I do kind of 298 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: want to change my last name at some point. For me, 299 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: I want to keep my maiden name Tall but as 300 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: my professional work name, and then I want to have 301 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: Hancock as my family name because for me, I do 302 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: really want to have the same last name as my 303 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: future kids. But I just think no one should judge 304 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: anyone over their decision to keep their name or change 305 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: their name. It's a personal decision, and I think that 306 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: she's going to be keeping Hembro for all of her 307 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: work commitments. Anyway. I think though, when you really have 308 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: a big crush on somebody, the thought of having their 309 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: last name as your last name is really appealing, because 310 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: I think there's still very much in that honeymoon phase. 311 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, I'm going to be missus Cow. 312 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: I can see her writing it on a little planner, 313 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: missus Tammy's a kowski. But after you've been dating for 314 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: what like six seven years, you're like, where the fuck 315 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: should I take their last year? Like, actually take mine. 316 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: It's my fucking name. I mean, for me, I've had 317 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: my name longer than my husband has had his name. Well, 318 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: Dale's got a double barreled name, as I've mentioned numerous times, 319 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: and I said to him, look, if I take the name, 320 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm only taking one of them, yeacause I think that's 321 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: fair now. Tammy lastly touched on media reports about her 322 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: sister's star who wasn't in attendance at her Hucks party. 323 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: She was really surprised by the media interest in this 324 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: because she said it really wasn't a big deal to her. 325 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: She said she was sad that Starr wasn't there, but 326 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: the only reason she missed out was because she's currently 327 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: living in Thailand, and Tammy said that she didn't want 328 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: her to have to fly all the way there and 329 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: then come to the wedding. Later, she confirmed she will 330 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: be at the wedding. Of course, the reason that the 331 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: media were interested in Star not being there is because 332 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: Tammy's sisters a week prior literally shit canned Matt on 333 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: his podcast, so they were trying to piece together where 334 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: that all of the sisters hate him or if this 335 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: has called some sort of feud. 336 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: Guys, I need someone to talk to you about the 337 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: Aspen overadrama. 338 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: None of my friends in real life grew up watching 339 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 3: Aspen on YouTube and I am just. 340 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: At a lost for words with what is going on 341 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: right now. Us influenced that Aspen has sent TikTok into 342 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: a spin after posting a series of chaotic and downright 343 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: confusing updates about her divorce from Parker Ferris. Yeah, so, 344 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: Aspen filed for divorce back in April, which is so 345 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: happened to be the same day she announced the birth 346 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: of their third child, and since then, both parties have 347 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: remained tight lipped on the matter, and just last month 348 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: we covered that Aspen had told her followers that she 349 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: would continue remaining silent about her divorce. Yeah, she was 350 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: meant to be very demure, very mindful, jumping on that 351 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: whole trend saying that she wasn't going to spill any details. 352 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: You see how I don't talk about my divorce online. 353 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 2: Very demure, very mindful. You see how I considered my 354 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: children and how it would affect them to have their 355 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: family's personal information shared all over the internet. Very smart, 356 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: very good mom. You see how those magazines and websites 357 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 2: wrote articles sharing personal information that I hadn't shared yet 358 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: when I had just given birth to a premature baby 359 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 2: who was in NICU. Very trashy, very tacky. See how 360 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: I will continn you stay unbothered and not share anything 361 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: to protect my peace, very demuror, very mindful, very cutesy, 362 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: very peaceful. 363 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: Well, since then, the shit has well and truly hit 364 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: the fan, because she has done a total of three 365 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: sixty so over the past week, Aspen has uploaded more 366 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: than twenty videos centered on her divorce. I'm living for 367 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: these videos. It is an absolute wild ride. I have 368 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: been consumed with this drama over the weekend, and we've 369 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: had so many listeners writing to us saying can we 370 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: unpack it together? Because it's pretty confusing and there are 371 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: a couple of twists and turns, so everyone buckle in 372 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: for this. Well, firstly, there's been a lot of confusion 373 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: as to why Aspen is suddenly talking about this now. 374 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean, particularly when she said she'd be staying out 375 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: of it for the sake of her children, and I 376 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: think at the time a lot of people really respected her. Yeah, 377 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: and also in that audio that we just listened to, 378 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: she condemned the media and forums for wading into the 379 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: weeds and being tacky talking about it, and the content 380 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: that we've seen over the past couple of days is 381 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: verging on quite tacky. Well, Aspan did explain the reason 382 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: for her sudden backflip. So she said that she shouldn't 383 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: have to suffer in silence, and that when she created 384 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 1: her demure video she didn't have all the facts. This 385 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: is what she said. 386 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: No that I said, I wasn't really going to talk 387 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 2: about this a lot, but the other day when I 388 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: was feeling very cute, seemed very demuror I didn't know 389 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: what I know? Now you know who did? Everybody else? 390 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: Everybody else knew the whole time. I mean, I don't 391 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 2: even know what to see when she. 392 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: Said that everyone else knew. Who do you think she's 393 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: talking about? Is it friends and family or is she 394 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: referencing the internet? Because there were a lot of Reddit 395 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: forums who have been analyzing their relationship in depth. They 396 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: were the ones who actually broke the news about her divorce. 397 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: Do you think she's referencing them? I mean potentially, But 398 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: I also saw a lot of people in the comments 399 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: were like, what what are we meant to know? I 400 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: don't know what it is. Yeah, I am just so 401 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: desperate to find out what it is. My mind instantly 402 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: jumped to cheating, and she backed this up in a 403 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: subsequent video by saying this. 404 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 2: Because I feel so sick to my stomach all the time, 405 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 2: and I feel like I could literally throw up at 406 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: any moment, because I'm in such disbelief about the deception 407 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: that I have experienced in just like all of the 408 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 2: traumatic things that I have been through. 409 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: It's a pretty big thing to say that you've experienced 410 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: deception because automatically people are going to think that you've 411 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: been cheated on. Yeah, well that's where my mind went. 412 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: I mean, anytime there is a relationship breakdown, especially when 413 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: you've just had a child. I suppose you think of 414 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: the biggest deception there could be in a relationship, and 415 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: my mind always goes to cheating. Well, yeah, exactly, because 416 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: the fact that she filed for divorce on the day 417 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: that she announced that her child had been born, it 418 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: seemed like it was something very sudden. Adding another layer 419 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: of complexity to this situation is that Aspen over is 420 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: a Mormon, so I think a lot of people just 421 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: expected maybe they would stay together. Well, it's not against 422 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: their faiths to get divorced, but it's very frowned upon 423 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: in those conservative communities. It's interesting because Aspen's parents and 424 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: also grandparents are divorced, so I think that she saw 425 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: her mother was much happier after getting a divorce and thought, well, 426 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a better life. Well. Interestingly, a lot 427 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: of people have been saying that since this separation, Aspen 428 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: looks like she's glowing and she looks really really happy. 429 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: But she's come out and said that she's completely heartbroken 430 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: and has been crying all the time. She even said 431 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: she's lost so much weight because she just can't stomach 432 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: any food. 433 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 3: I would give every single thing I have to be 434 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 3: able to change certain things in my life, like even 435 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 3: being divorced, Like I literally it's like devastated. It's not 436 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 3: even a strong enough word. Like I feel. 437 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: I feel like someone literally. 438 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: Has like stabbed me over and over and. 439 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 3: Just like dragged the mate. This is not what I ever. 440 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 2: Wanted for my family. 441 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: I think it's important to actually see that because you 442 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: see her new content and think, oh, she's moved on. 443 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: Everything's fine, But this is affecting her like it would 444 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: anyone else. What I found really fascinating is that Aspen 445 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: then went on to reveal that during her relationship with Parker, 446 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: she was the only one providing financially for their family. 447 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: She took a real shot at him over this because 448 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 1: she said that she was carrying the mental load of 449 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: raising the kids, being a working mum and providing for them. 450 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: I wonder if he just thought, well, she's earning all 451 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: this money off social media. You know when people sort 452 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: of pull down what their partner's doing because it's not 453 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: a conventional jole and take it for granted. Oh, she's 454 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: earning bucket loads of money. And a lot of the 455 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: videos were also about the whole family, so maybe he 456 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: felt like, well, I'm in the videos, so yeah, it 457 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: was a family vlog. This this whole concept of him 458 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: not providing for her was also backed up in another 459 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: video where she was talking about what she wants in 460 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: her next relationship, and she specified that she wants someone 461 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: who has a job and will financially contribute. I mean, again, 462 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: the bar is kind of on the floor. That's aos start, 463 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah. Well, Aspen has been talking so much 464 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: in riddles, and this has of course led the internet 465 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: to try and work out what the situation actually is. 466 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: And there have been so many rumors about what has 467 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: caused this divorce, and one that has started gaining a 468 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: lot of traction online is that Parker must be gay. Yeah. 469 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: This was a really uncomfortable rumor because I don't think 470 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: anyone should expose anyone's sexuality. And I think it comes 471 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: from the fact that, as we touched on, they have 472 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: grown up in a very conservative environment and I suppose 473 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: that would be somewhat scandalous. Yeah. I felt really uncomfortable 474 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: when I saw those rumors floating around as well, and 475 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: I think that often when influencers speak in riddles, this 476 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: is the out that people jumped to these wild accusations 477 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: because everyone wants to know, and it's almost as if 478 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: the influencer is trying to get you to guess what's 479 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: going on. Well, people are left to their own devices, 480 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: aren't Yeah, And this rumor was really fanned by Aspen 481 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: because randomly she posted a video saying that she would 482 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: never talk about someone's sexuality on the internet and basically 483 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: that it's their story to tell. And she also prefaced 484 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: that growing up in Utah, there's a big Mormon community 485 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: and so many people are not free to be themselves. 486 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: So instantly everyone's like she's talking about her ex husband. 487 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: That's clearly why they broke up. Well, another reason followers 488 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: jumped to this conclusion was because Aspen included rainbow love 489 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: hearts in one of her videos, so everyone thought this 490 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: must be the next clue, which is quite funny because 491 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: it was actually a clue about her own sexuality, because 492 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: she then shared a video with texts over it that 493 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: said when everyone thinks he's gay because I put rainbow 494 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: hearts on my video, but the video was literally about me. 495 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: She then added this sound gay girl play that was gay. 496 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: I'd be like ime gay now, Hey, with the geeze plagay. 497 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: This was accompanied by the caption He's not, but I 498 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: might be a little We'll see. This got a huge 499 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: response from her followers. They were saying that this was 500 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: simply iconic and that they were living for the updates. 501 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people commenting saying I used 502 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: to be an aspen Ovard fangirl back in the day, 503 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: and all of this drama has meant they've returned now 504 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: to her content. Well, I'm definitely going to be keeping 505 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: up with her. I think I like this new version 506 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: of her better. She's more interesting now. Things got even 507 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: more confusing, if that's possible when Aspen started sharing videos 508 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: joking that Parker should launch a TikTok career off the 509 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: drama and lead into the villain arc that she's created, 510 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: and she was also suggesting different ways that he could 511 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: go off online, and this led people to think, well, 512 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: are they friends? Like, is something going on in the background? 513 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: Is this all for peace? And Aspen responded saying that 514 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: they have kids together, so of course they're going to 515 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: hang out and occasionally he will be in the background 516 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: of her content. She also used this video as an 517 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 1: opportunity to confirm that he's not gay and to her knowledge, 518 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: she's never been cheated on. Wow, And she seemed in 519 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: really good spirits in this video, because in all of 520 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: the other ones she was very down and upset, and 521 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: I was surprised because she then revealed that the reason 522 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: she was in such a good mood was because she 523 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: had just taken a weed gummy. Now, this really does 524 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: move away from the wholesome family vibe. She seems to 525 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: be rebranding herself for weed is legal and a lot 526 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: of states in the US, so well, that is a 527 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: good point. But she's also been talking about how she's 528 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: drinking more and she never drunk before, so she's definitely 529 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: growing up. In another podcast, she said that as soon 530 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: as she turned twenty five, everything clicked and changed and 531 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: she thought of the world completely differently. Well, if you 532 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: can believe it. Sophie, Asben's mother in law, has also 533 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: weighed into the drama, so she clearly wasn't pleased by 534 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: Aspen's chaotic posting, and she shared an update to her 535 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: own Instagram story, I love this so much so. She 536 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: uploaded a photo of a grizzly bear that was bearing 537 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: its teeth with the caption stop Mama Bear is coming out. 538 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: Stay tuned, and then she added a poll asking her 539 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: followers if they'd like to hear another side of the story. Well, 540 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: yes I would because I'm utterly confused about this whole situation. 541 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: So he hasn't cheated, he's not gay. What the fuck 542 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: is going on? Well, the things get even more iconic 543 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: because Aspen responded by sharing a video of her straddling 544 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: Parker in bed with the caption his mom can't do 545 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: what I can. She then wrote underneath she might be 546 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: Mama Bear, but I am mother Now. For those who 547 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: haven't seen it, she was wearing a white singler with 548 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: cherries and white shorts and her crutch area was censored 549 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: in this video, and you could see his legs flailing 550 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 1: in the background whilst she was straddling him. It was 551 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: fucking funny. I'm assuming this is an old video. No, 552 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: he is actively part of this. This is all current. 553 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: So she then uploaded another video where she was sitting 554 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: in Parker's lap with this audio. 555 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 3: Ask her this baby. 556 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: I know I was a bad girl, but come on, 557 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: you have to be crazy God to take me back now. 558 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: This video has had eight million views. Surely the whole 559 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: family isn't on this, like this must be some kind 560 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: of huge TikTok stunt. I ran immediately to the comment section, 561 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: and it was so funny because one follower said, this 562 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: is the hardest math problem I've ever had to solve, 563 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: whilst another said aspens TikTok has become my new favorite 564 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: reality show, and another said trying to figure this out 565 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: has become my new favorite game. This is reminding me 566 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: a bit of the Mormon Wives reality show. Some crazy 567 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: stuff seems to happen in Mormon communities. One follower had 568 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: an interesting theory, and that was that Parker has left 569 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: Aspen in a lot of debt and he has agreed 570 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: to film this content in order to pay back the debt. 571 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 1: Surely well, Aspen immediately debunked this because she announced that 572 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: all of the money that she's made this week off 573 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: all of her crazy videos, she is going to donate 574 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: to Florida's hurricane victims. So I like that yeah. And 575 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: she also said that this is not a publicity stunt 576 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 1: and that she knows when her daughters see the content 577 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: that she's created when they're older, they will think that 578 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: she is an icon. But how can you be an 579 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: icon if everyone's so utterly confused about what she's talking, Well, 580 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: she said that it's not that deep, and the girlies 581 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: who get it get it now. This is in reference 582 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: to the fact that a lot of her og followers 583 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: know that this is her sense of humor, because a 584 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: lot of her longtime followers have come out and created 585 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: these reaction videos and they've said, this is just her 586 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: sense of humor. This is the way that she's getting 587 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: through it by making funny content and not getting too 588 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: deep on it. Well, surely Aspen is going to come 589 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: out and spill the details on maybe like a Caller 590 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: Daddy podcast. Yeah. My gut feeling is that this is 591 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: down to finances and there's a deal being done behind 592 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: Aspen's bad. But I don't get about this whole situation 593 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: is Aspen is literally baiting her followers and then once 594 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: they've jumped to a particular conclusion, she goes, Oh, no, 595 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: that's not the case, that's not what I was saying. Well, 596 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: why don't you just say it? I know it's so confusing. 597 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: I mean, she says, Oh, this isn't a PR stunt, 598 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: but it definitely feels like it. Because the fact that 599 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: Parker is involved in these videos weird, Like if you're 600 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: on there ragging on him saying that he hasn't supported 601 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: you financially, he's potentially gay, he's potentially cheated on you, 602 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: why would he then be happy to appear in the content. Well, 603 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: I think that's all we have time for today. Thank 604 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to another episode of Outspoken. 605 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: If you do have time, we would love if you 606 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: could come and join the Facebook community where it Outspoken 607 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: Underscore the Underscore Podcast. 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