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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was.

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Speaker 2: And in the studio with us today we have got

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Speaker 2: well Joe Hersey, the Minister for Education and a number

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Speaker 2: of other portfolios. Good morning to you, Joe.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning to the listeners.

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Speaker 2: And we have got the head of news from the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory News, Gary Shipway.

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Speaker 1: Good morning Gary co.

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Speaker 2: And on the line from Alice Springs. This morning we've

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Speaker 2: got Chancey Paig from the opposition. Good morning to your chancy.

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Speaker 4: It's good to be with you, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Now, look there's plenty to discuss, as always on a

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Speaker 2: Friday morning, and it has been revealed this morning the

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Speaker 2: latest crime stats have been released and the government say

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Speaker 2: that they show their law and order agenda is working

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Speaker 2: with fewer Territorians becoming victims of crime. In the last

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Speaker 2: six months between January and June twenty twenty five, the

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Speaker 2: number of victims fell by four point seven percent compared

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Speaker 2: to the same period in twenty twenty four. They say

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Speaker 2: that's six hundred and five fewer people affected by crime

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Speaker 2: across the Northern Territory. Now, in the first half of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, house break ins have dropped by three

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five total property offenses by five hundred

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Speaker 2: and three. Now, taking a bit of a closer look,

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Speaker 2: the house break ins down thirty seven percent in Darwin,

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Speaker 2: Palmerston down thirty three percent, Alice Springs, well, sorry, thirty

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Speaker 2: three percent, I should say in Alice Springs, and commercial

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Speaker 2: break ins in Catherine down thirty six percent. Now, the

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Speaker 2: Chief Minister said that she's going to be continuing to

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Speaker 2: work with police, courts and corrections to deliver stronger laws

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Speaker 2: and enforcement as well as better victims support and faster justice.

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Speaker 2: She did say there needs to be some focus on

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Speaker 2: the root causes of crime and driving down domestic violence

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Speaker 2: and child sexual violence. Now, I say this every time

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Speaker 2: there's crime stats that come out. It's always a bit

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Speaker 2: of a dicey game when you look at crime stats

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Speaker 2: because they fluctuate, they're going up and down. You can

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Speaker 2: find from statistics just about anything you want to find

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Speaker 2: from statistics. But the number that I'm really interested in

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Speaker 2: is the fact that there has been six hundred and

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have heard anecdotally that people are feeling

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Speaker 2: as though there's been a bit of a reduction when

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Speaker 2: it comes to crime, in saying that I spoke to

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Speaker 2: it comes to crime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Katie.

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Speaker 5: And whilst you know, we have been working very hard

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Speaker 5: over the almost twelve months since we've been in government

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Speaker 5: of reducing crime right across the territory and that was

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Speaker 5: a mandate that we came in on. It is great

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Speaker 5: to see that there are six hundred and five less

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Speaker 5: victims since we've come to government. There are six hundred

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Speaker 5: and forty six more people in prison as well. But

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Speaker 5: you know, as you just read out, Katie, and I

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Speaker 5: thirty six percent in Catherine, it's very cold comfort. I

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Speaker 5: set and forget. We know that there is a lot

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Speaker 5: more work to do, which we will continue to do

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Speaker 5: over you know, the next year as well. But you know, anecdotally,

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Speaker 5: I do hear that people do feel safer as well.

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Speaker 5: I've spoken to many people that have been up here

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, I think it's a good start.

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Speaker 5: It's we've certainly had a strong focus on law and

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Speaker 5: order and as you say, it's you know, they can

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Katie, look, I think the six hundred and five

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Speaker 6: always a good thing. What concerned me about those figures

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Speaker 6: But yeah, look, and there's another in there with the

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Speaker 6: is concerning. And you can understand what police say, they've

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Speaker 6: property crime, house breakings down, but I mean, you know,

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Speaker 6: those things are important, but I think there's that violent

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Speaker 5: Be absolutely I think also to acknowledge the hard work

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Speaker 5: And yeah, they worked incredibly hard, absolutely incredibly hard, and

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Speaker 5: the Klano community, the police all get together and then

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Speaker 5: had a youth crackdown over the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: I think in Catherine, Look, I want to chancey from

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Speaker 2: I mean, we are seeing that the drops being felt

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Speaker 2: thirty three percent. I mean, is that being felt in

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Speaker 4: Look, Katie, I think certainly Mike can acknowledge that there

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Speaker 4: has been a decrease when it comes to property crime,

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Speaker 4: both house breakings and commercial break ins. I think that

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Speaker 4: it's the hard work and outlay of many territorians making

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Speaker 4: We know that serious assaults are up. Assaults on frontline

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Speaker 4: that there, yes, when it comes to property and commercial

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Speaker 4: in all other areas when it relates to offenses involving

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Speaker 2: Well, I've actually just got a pressure release that's come

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Speaker 2: in Alice Springs. Now seven female youths have been arrested

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Speaker 2: fourteen and fifteen. I mean, that is a woeful situation

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Speaker 2: to see kids at that age involved in that kind

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Speaker 2: saying there is right in terms of you know, in

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Speaker 2: still seeing incidents occurring. I mean even earlier this week

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Speaker 2: we saw a man who was threatened with a machete

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Speaker 2: Strikeforce triedent worked incredibly quickly, as it sounds as though

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Speaker 2: they have as well in Alice Springs last night, Strikeforce

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Speaker 2: They ended up then arresting a thirteen, fourteen, and nineteen

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Speaker 2: that the fourteen and nineteen year old had been remanded

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Speaker 2: and then went on to reoffend, landing him back in custody.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the concern is this is something

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Speaker 2: that a lot of people are really worried about right now.

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Speaker 2: It is that reoffending.

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Speaker 4: Katie. I think like, let's absolutely be clear right now,

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Speaker 4: the police are doing all that they can and the

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Speaker 4: best that they can. This is where the questions need

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Speaker 4: to be asked to the government, where is this circuit

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Speaker 4: breaker that the government keep talking about that's having all

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Speaker 4: this positive impact. You know, we've got a government that

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Speaker 4: talks about boot camps. Katie. A boot camp shouldn't go

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Speaker 4: for three days. That's an excursion, not a program. Boot

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Speaker 4: Camps need to go longer to address the actual behavior

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Speaker 4: what they can, but the government has spoken about addressing

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Speaker 4: all the social determinants and all of the work beforehand. Well,

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Speaker 4: where is it and what's happening?

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Speaker 2: I did wonder with this boot camp, I mean three days,

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Speaker 1: This boot camp.

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Speaker 2: But I did think to myself, goodness me, three days.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'd spoken to the police, the junior police

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Speaker 2: rangers yesterday. They go out for longer than that on

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Speaker 2: a survival camp. And to be honest, it sort of

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Speaker 2: sounds more difficult than what it does are going on

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Speaker 4: Okay, Katie, it's a you know, trying to say that

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Speaker 4: this is a boot camp is a joke. It's three days.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't give you the time to do anything. Boot

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Speaker 4: Camps should at least go for a number of weeks,

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Speaker 4: you know, whether it's four to twelve weeks. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you've got to be able to absolutely, you know, change

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Speaker 4: behavior change, and you know, improve their skills. Three days

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Speaker 4: you're not even really getting to learn who the young

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Speaker 4: So for the government to come out and say, yay, success,

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Speaker 4: we've had you know, two or three people through a

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Speaker 4: boot camp is just ridiculous. Fine, still doesn't have one.

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Speaker 1: I take on board what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: But somebody has just messaged through and said, where were

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Speaker 2: your boot camps when you're in.

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Speaker 4: Powerie, we had a number of probs in place. But

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Speaker 4: let's be clear, we are in opposition and we accept

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Speaker 4: that we're in opposition and our job is to hold

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Speaker 4: the government to account. They said that there would be

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Speaker 4: boot camps running across the territory. We're asking the questions,

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Speaker 4: these are your commitments, where are they?

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Speaker 5: And what I'd say, Chancey, is that you were there

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Speaker 5: for eight years. We are in the situation that we're

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Speaker 5: in because of your you know, watering down of Bayo

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Speaker 4: The people are interested in a deflection, Joe. I think

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Speaker 4: they're interested in hearing from you today. What are you doing?

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Speaker 4: Where are the boot camps? And do you think three

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Speaker 3: Er there needs to be more parental responsibility.

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Speaker 4: What are you doing about that, Joe? You are the government.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's exactly right, and we've got attendants officers out

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Speaker 3: But the fact of the matter is.

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Speaker 3: The whole idea of it that they will follow up on.

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Speaker 2: I will be very interested to find out whether they

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Speaker 1: But I do know with the incident in Nightcliff that at.

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Speaker 1: Now to me, I question, how is that person then.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's again we've we've discussed this previously,

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of diversionary programs and effort put into

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Speaker 1: So yeah, good point, good point.

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Speaker 2: That always has an effect that I do want to

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Speaker 5: Yes, so, as I've said Katie, I'm well aware of

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Speaker 5: what's going on in Catherine. And as a government, we

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Speaker 5: We've got six hundred and forty six more people in jail.

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Speaker 5: You know, we are we have strengthened the laws. There's

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Speaker 2: Like why do you reckon we're in a situation. I

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Speaker 5: You know that you know there is that separation of

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Speaker 5: strengthen the law, which we have been continuing to do.

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Speaker 5: There are nowhere near as many people getting bail as

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Speaker 5: And we will continue to work at making sure that

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Speaker 2: Look, we're going to have to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 2: It is the week that was. Well, you are listening

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Speaker 2: we've got Labour's Chancey Paige in Alice Springs. Now, speaking

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Speaker 2: despite the colp's repeal of the minimum unit price provisions

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Speaker 2: They've come back to us and said that following the

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Speaker 1: I mean, Chancey, when.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think Katie, what we are seeing here and

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Speaker 4: What we do need to see is leadership here and

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Speaker 5: I think, Katie, you know, what we know is that

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Speaker 5: And you know, I think it's very interesting that Chancey

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Speaker 4: But Katie, I think there's also reflect absolute desperate attempt

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Speaker 5: Oh, we know, Chancy, that that's it's very easy to

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Speaker 4: And you're saying it's not a problem to make grog cheaper.

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Speaker 4: That is a disgrace.

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, I guess this argument's been happening for

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a really difficult one.

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Speaker 2: I think when you look at alcohol and the misuse

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Speaker 6: If you're addicted to something, you'll pay the price no

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Speaker 2: So yeah, this is the thing. Look I do want

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Speaker 2: to offer. Joe as the Minister for Public Employment, have

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Speaker 2: we had a situation in recent years where a pay

440
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Speaker 2: negotiation offer for the Northern Territory Police has had to

441
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Speaker 2: go to the arbitration tribunal.

442
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure about that, Katie. Whether it's gone to

443
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Speaker 5: the arbitration, I don't think so. But what I can

444
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Speaker 5: tell you is that these negotiations between the NTPA, the

445
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Speaker 5: Commissioner of Public Service, because this is actually whilst it

446
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 5: sits under me, I'm not the one in the room

447
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 5: doing the negotiations, so that sits with the Commissioner and

448
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 5: the Commissioner of Police and the NTPA, and those negotiations

449
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 5: have continued to go on in good faith. And then

450
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 5: it was always that if there was a vote no,

451
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Speaker 5: that it would go to the arbitrary tribunal.

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Speaker 3: But what I can tell you and.

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Speaker 5: Big shout out the police that do a great work

454
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Speaker 5: every day out there in the community. Today, the Commissioner

455
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Speaker 5: and the Police Commissioner and the president of the NTPA

456
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Speaker 5: will get back in the room and hopefully have an answer,

457
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Speaker 5: you know, on how those negotiations will be done, hopefully

458
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Speaker 5: by the end of today.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think it's no doubt that the public would

460
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Speaker 6: love to see this issue resolved because they do value

461
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Speaker 6: their police force, and time and time again you'll get

462
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Speaker 6: people commenting and say, look, police worth every cent you

463
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Speaker 6: pay them. So it'd be good if Obviously people want

464
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Speaker 6: it to get resolved, and so did the police and

465
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Speaker 6: what was it? Four percent? Was it?

466
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Speaker 3: It was?

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Speaker 5: They went with a four four three three over a

468
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Speaker 5: four year period and that was what they voted no against.

469
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Speaker 5: So those negotiations will be ongoing today and as I said,

470
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Speaker 5: I hope by the end of today will have a resolution.

471
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Speaker 5: And I think that's a positive, you know, because yeah,

472
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Speaker 5: as you said, Gary, the police work hard each and

473
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Speaker 5: every day and when someone calls with an emergency, they

474
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Speaker 5: want to know that the police are going to rock

475
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Speaker 5: up there and they do a fantastic job.

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Speaker 2: It's no doubt, like it's no doubt it's a point

477
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Speaker 2: of contention. I know quite a large number of Northern

478
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Speaker 2: Territory Police officers, and I was talking to a couple

479
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Speaker 2: of them as early as sort of last week who

480
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Speaker 2: were saying, you know, this really needs to get sorted out.

481
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Speaker 2: It wasn't just the pay negotiation, but the thing that

482
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Speaker 2: they some of them are quite upset about, of course,

483
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Speaker 2: is that retention bonus as well. You know, in a

484
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Speaker 2: unit of police, you might have one person who happens

485
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Speaker 2: to fall on the ten years or the twenty years,

486
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Speaker 2: but then you've got others that have maybe worked seventeen

487
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Speaker 2: that then don't get that retention bonus, and they're not

488
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Speaker 2: real happy about it. So I don't know where this

489
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Speaker 2: all lands. But what I do know is much of

490
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Speaker 2: the legislative changes that we're saying come through from the

491
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Speaker 2: Northern Territory government are sort of, you know, are falling

492
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Speaker 2: on the shoulders I guess of Northern Territory police in

493
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Speaker 2: many ways. And the last thing we want is the

494
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Speaker 2: moving into state or not wanting to work. I mean, Chancey,

495
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Speaker 2: what do you make.

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Speaker 3: Of it all?

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Speaker 4: Look, Katie, I think you're absolutely right. There are a

498
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Speaker 4: lot of legislative changes are putting more work on the police,

499
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Speaker 4: and the police are asking for a very simple recognition

500
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Speaker 4: of that through their ABA negotiations. I think the CLP

501
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Speaker 4: misled police about the retention bonus. You know, we're hearing

502
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Speaker 4: ninety percent of officers have now found out they won't

503
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Speaker 4: get it. But Katie, just going back, you know the

504
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Speaker 4: minister there on in the studio with you, Joehersey, talking

505
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Speaker 4: about you know, the tribunal and not being aware of

506
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Speaker 4: it's there or not.

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Speaker 3: That is that's actually not what I said. That's misleading.

508
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Speaker 5: I did not say that I'm not aware of the

509
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Speaker 5: police Arbatrue triemunal.

510
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Speaker 3: I absolutely do so when.

511
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Speaker 2: That's it had whether she was aware, if it had

512
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Speaker 2: happened in the past, like whether they'd be previous negosociations.

513
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Speaker 4: So Katie, what I want to know is, you know,

514
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Speaker 4: the government have to sign off to take it to

515
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Speaker 4: the tribunal. So was that Joehersey or was that Leafanocchiaro

516
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Speaker 4: who signed off to take it to the tribunal.

517
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Speaker 5: These negotiations, chances all sit under me. The police retention

518
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 5: sits with the Police Minister as the Chief Minister, and

519
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 5: the if the negotiations were not like if the vote

520
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 5: went to know it would go to the Police Arbitrary

521
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 5: Arbitration Tribunal and find that, Joe, that is.

522
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Speaker 3: Something that sits under me. Yes, and that's where that

523
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Speaker 3: was going.

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Speaker 5: So we have gone back to negotiations with the NTPA,

525
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Speaker 5: and as I just said, I think it'll be a

526
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Speaker 5: great result for everyone by the end of today, and

527
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Speaker 5: I look forward.

528
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Speaker 4: To sad because I don't think you truly understand how

529
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Speaker 4: OCPU works. You either signed off to take it to

530
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Speaker 4: the tribunal or you're back at the negotiating table. That's

531
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Speaker 4: the simple fact.

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Speaker 5: I think negotiations in good faith that you are not

533
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Speaker 5: aware of chancy And whilst it's all well to snipe

534
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 5: from the sidelines, we are working in good faith with

535
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Speaker 5: the NTPA, continuing to make sure that we expediate this

536
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Speaker 5: process to the best outcome for all police across the

537
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Speaker 5: territory and I think they absolutely deserve it.

538
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Speaker 2: We are going to have to take a quick break

539
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: because I'm very keen to come back and talk about

540
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Speaker 2: the local government elections. They've been going off throughout the week,

541
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Speaker 2: so we're going to take a really quick break. You

542
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: are listening to Mix one O four ninees three sixty.

543
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was.

544
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty,

545
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 2: it is the week that was. If you've just joined us, well,

546
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: it's been a busy hour so far. We have of

547
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: course got Chancey Peg on the line from Alice Springs

548
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: in the studio. We've got Joe Hersey and also Gary Shipway.

549
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Speaker 2: Now I tell you Wash, it's been a very very

550
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: interesting week. If you've been covering the local government election.

551
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: I don't know how it's going in Alice Springs, Chancey,

552
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: we'll find out. But up here in Darwin, well, there's

553
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: been some concerns. There's been some issues with the early

554
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: voting centers. Some candidates well, they learned on Monday that

555
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Speaker 2: they were not able to hand out their how to

556
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: vote cards the Darwin Council facilities. We'd asked the See

557
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: of the City of Darwin about this after some had

558
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: questioned who was running the election, whether it was the

559
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: Northern Territory Electoral Commission or the council. Then it was

560
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: reported in the Northern Territory News that at least eight

561
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: candidates vying for the top spot on the Darwin City

562
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: Council accused the Council of being undemocratic as they demand

563
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Electoral Commissioner postponed the election until action

564
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Speaker 2: is taken.

565
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 4: Now.

566
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Speaker 2: I spoke to the Northern Territory Electoral Commissioner yesterday. She

567
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: confirmed that the election would not be postponed.

568
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Speaker 1: I mean, what you garry. It was an interesting one, wasn't.

569
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Speaker 6: These elections have been absolutely ferocious. Yeah, I never something

570
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 6: like it. And you know, you see some churchy politics

571
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 6: in terms of the territory elections in the federal elections

572
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 6: against a lot of argibarji, but this has been ferocious,

573
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Speaker 6: and I think a lot of it's to do with that.

574
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Speaker 6: None of these people, these are all people who run

575
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Speaker 6: into penadive part except the Greens at the moment. And

576
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 6: you know, and there it's dog eat dog. Everyone everyone

577
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 6: wants to win. And you've seen it not only with

578
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 6: the how at this polling booth, but you've seen it

579
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 6: with deals, handshake deals being broken for where you're positioning,

580
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 6: We're swapping your preferences, ugly online posts. It's been ferocious.

581
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Speaker 2: It's been nasty in a lot of ways. It's been

582
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: really nasty. I mean, Chancey, how has it been in

583
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: Alice Springs. Has there been that level of nastiness?

584
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 4: Has there?

585
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: It been going fairly smoothly in Alice when it comes

586
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: to the council elections. I know it's obviously out in

587
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: the remote remote areas as well.

588
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, Katie, we've obviously mobile polling has been happening

589
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 4: out across the bush and all by all accounts, that's

590
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 4: been really well, quite calm and not confrontational at all. Look,

591
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Speaker 4: I went down and voted earlier this week in Alla Springs.

592
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 4: It seemed to be very respectful. Alice Springs obviously has

593
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 4: different rules at the moment where people are able to

594
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 4: canvas right at the front of the Alice Springstown Council

595
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 4: polling booth. So look, it is, it is different. I

596
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 4: do acknowledge that the land in Darwin is owned by

597
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 4: the Darwin City Council and they've looked they've made these rules.

598
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: But you know, maybe council could have done a better

599
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 4: job explaining those rules. But you know, I guess if

600
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 4: it's something that we're going to see and people are

601
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 4: going to raise, then that's something that the government could

602
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 4: consider creating new rules for those council elections. But you know,

603
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: I do make the point that one of the loudest

604
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 4: voices in Darwin is Peter Stey Styles, who you know,

605
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 4: was in cabinet with the CLP who banned you know,

606
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 4: canvassing on polling day. So it's a bit rich for

607
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: him to be complaining.

608
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 6: I see Peter's the books got in second.

609
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: I was just about to say.

610
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Speaker 2: That, hey, do you know one of the things that

611
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Speaker 2: I've been wondering though over the last you know, over

612
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: the last week or so. And I don't know what

613
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 2: everybody's thoughts are on this, but we've obviously seen you know,

614
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: these issues with the how to vote carden and you know,

615
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: and people may be getting frustrated about that. But one

616
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: of the you know, one of the other things that

617
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: we have seen is what you touched on, Gary is

618
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: some absolute, like really nasty, nasty conduct online, you know,

619
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Speaker 2: the damaging of core flutes and that kind of thing.

620
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Speaker 3: As well.

621
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: We know that it always gets a little bit nasty

622
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: when it comes to elections. I think that Chancey and

623
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: Joe you guys probably have a better understanding of that

624
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: the most. But some of what I've seen online, some

625
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: of the behavior, some of the conduct, some of the

626
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: slandering of other people. It just makes me question whether

627
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: there needs to be some stricter guidelines in place, or

628
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: some stricter rules and regulations, whether the legislation needs to

629
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: change when it comes to who can put their hand

630
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: up to run for mayor or counsel. Now not saying

631
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: that we need to cut people out or anything like that.

632
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: The you know, the criteria, I guess, or the bar

633
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways is really quite low. I

634
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: don't know whether there needs to be some changes in

635
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: that space, or whether there needs to be a fee

636
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: that's paid in order to put your hand up to run.

637
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: I know that that may present some different challenges depending

638
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: on geographically where you are across the Northern Territory. But

639
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: what's the situation for a like, for somebody putting their

640
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: hand up for the Northern Territory election, Joe or chance? You?

641
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: I don't know whether you know. Do you have to

642
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: pay a certain amount of money?

643
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

644
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: You do. You do have to pay to put your

645
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: hand up.

646
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, Off the top of my head, I can't even

647
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 5: remember how much that is, but you do have to pay.

648
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: But I'd just like to go.

649
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 5: You know, some of the slanderous things that people say

650
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 5: on social media. I think people really need to have

651
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 5: a good you know that. We know there's keyboard worries

652
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 5: out there, but people really need to have a good

653
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 5: look at if you can't say that to someone's face,

654
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 5: don't sit it on social media and just getting to

655
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Speaker 5: the you know because I know in Catherine we've had

656
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 5: some issues down there with the polling around candidates and

657
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 5: where you can stand and where you can be.

658
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Speaker 3: But I think maybe the.

659
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Speaker 5: Electoral Commission needs to work out and source some good

660
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 5: places that are easily accessible for all of the voters

661
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 5: to go, because everyone has a democratic right to go

662
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 5: and have their vote. But we have it in our

663
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 5: shopping center in Catherine. We have one shopping center. Only

664
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Speaker 5: not everyone wants to be humbug going to do their

665
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 5: shopping with people. John, the owner of the shopping center, says, no,

666
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 5: you can't be in here, there's a ten meter law.

667
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 5: And then you know, the Electoral Commission will say, well

668
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 5: you can stand out here, but it's not clear.

669
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 3: So I think there.

670
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Speaker 5: Does need to be some areas where, you know, there's

671
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Speaker 5: one particular place in Catherine which is very easily accessible.

672
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Speaker 3: You just get out of your car, you walk in there.

673
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 5: It's just a private business, is not so public as

674
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Speaker 5: the shopping center.

675
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Speaker 3: And I don't know why they don't source them.

676
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: I know the Northern Territory Electoral Commission because I did

677
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: actually put those questions to the commissioner yesterday in terms

678
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: of whether they need to source different locations that are

679
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: more easily accessible. And you know, if people are worried

680
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: about about sort of being annoyed while they go in

681
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: to do their shopping and not wanting those how to

682
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: vote cards, or when they go to the Casuarina Library

683
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: to get a book, not worrying about, you know, about

684
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: being bailed up by a political candidate trying to tell

685
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: them why they should.

686
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: Vote for them.

687
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: I you know, I take that on board, and I

688
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: do I know that there is always a review conducted

689
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: after an election happens where they look at ways in

690
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: which they could do things differently. But again I'll go

691
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: back to I do wonder whether there needs to be

692
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: some legislative changes when it comes to not only you know,

693
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: people putting their hand up to run for counsel, but

694
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: also when it comes to advertising material or different material

695
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: and and you know, not being able to sort of

696
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: to say outrageous things about other people and get away.

697
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: With it up per se.

698
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, well, there is laws that the electoral

699
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 6: Commissions in act putting because you false broadcasting false information

700
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 6: and during election is an offense. So the issue is

701
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Speaker 6: tracking down who's the perpetrator of that behind that And.

702
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: The line that they were using was that is it

703
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: no truth in that. I've got to I'll have to

704
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: get Crystal to tell us exactly what the line is,

705
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: but that no truth in political advertising for the council elections.

706
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 2: So is that that you take everything as if it's

707
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: not correct? I mean, as I said, I'll get Crystal

708
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: to find the actual you know, the actual line that is.

709
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Speaker 1: What they say. But for me, it.

710
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: Seems as though the rules are quite different in some

711
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: ways when it comes to the council election comparatively to

712
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: what they are for the Northern Territory election. And I

713
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: just think could we unify things a little bit so

714
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: it's not such a dirty, messy race.

715
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Speaker 5: Well, I think, Katie, I've had I've just had someone

716
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 5: message me and it was when they ran for council

717
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: before it was one hundred dollars and if you won,

718
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 5: you got the one hundred dollars back yep, one hundred

719
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Speaker 5: dollars is you know, whilst it's a lot of money

720
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 5: for some people, if you're running to stand as an

721
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 5: elected member, it's probably.

722
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Speaker 3: Not that much money.

723
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 5: But I think there does need to be some guidelines

724
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Speaker 5: in place, and certainly for what you can say on

725
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 5: social media.

726
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Katie.

727
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 4: I think look after this election there will be a

728
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: report produced by the Electoral Commissioner. Normally most governments in

729
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 4: the Territory have an opportunity to review the Electoral Act

730
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Speaker 4: in their term, so certainly this is probably something that

731
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: Joe could and we'll probably raise with her colleagues and

732
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 4: look at any reform. I mean, how counsel does preferencing

733
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 4: is different in our springs to how we do it

734
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: in the territory election, so there's a lot of differences here.

735
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 4: But I think the message that I want to leave

736
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 4: people is like, just be really mindful when you're looking

737
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 4: at flyers in pamphlets, make sure that it's authorized, because

738
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 4: a lot of the stuff that's flowing around, regardless of

739
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 4: who you are and what side of the political spectrum

740
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 4: you come from, everything should be absolutely authorized and if

741
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 4: it's not. It needs to be reported to the Commission,

742
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 4: and you know, look it is. I think we all

743
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: take our hats off to people who put their hand up,

744
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: particularly in council, because it's a hard campaign to run

745
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 4: and there's lots of issues and obviously sometimes they can

746
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 4: become conflated with what's a territory issue or a federal issue.

747
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 4: So look, I think it'll be interesting to see that lands,

748
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 4: particularly Katie for us. In Alice Springs, there's twenty five

749
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 4: candidates for eight seats, so we're going to see a

750
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 4: whole new council most likely.

751
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: And who looks there's not many that have been on

752
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: council for a while that have put their hand up

753
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: for mayor and Alice Springs either is there is there

754
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Speaker 2: one or two?

755
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 4: Look at at this stage there's only one person who's

756
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 4: been on council who's running for mayor, and that's Elie Melkie,

757
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: who's been around a long time and lots of people

758
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 4: know him in Alice. So I think regardless of where

759
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 4: the election falls this year, right across the towns, I

760
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: think we're going to see a whole new council which

761
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 4: is going to be interesting for our towns because they're

762
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 4: all going to be learning and working out how council works.

763
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Speaker 4: And I guess, as Joe and I would know, when

764
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Speaker 4: you're going through a campaign, lots of people are promising

765
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 4: things in these council elections that are actually they don't

766
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Speaker 4: have jurisdiction over. So it'll be interesting to see.

767
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Speaker 5: And well, I think that's interesting in itself. If you're

768
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Speaker 5: going to run for council, know what your jurisdiction is

769
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Speaker 5: and basically Rhodes rates and rubbish and work with the

770
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Speaker 5: Government of the data.

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Speaker 2: Well, and this is part of you know, that's part

772
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Speaker 2: of what I mean as well when you look at

773
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: the legislation and you look at what and I know

774
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: that that doesn't come down to legislation, but I do

775
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: think it's just it's highlighted a lot of things for

776
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: me this election, and some of it is exactly what

777
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: you've pointed out. Their chancey. If you've got people that

778
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: are putting their hand up that you know that they

779
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: they don't even know what they're actually able to sort

780
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Speaker 2: of make promises about, it makes it a really interesting race.

781
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Speaker 3: Maybe they should be a rape payer.

782
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Speaker 6: I think you're also seeing how disciplined the actually territory

783
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 6: elections are because most both parties have a no talk policy,

784
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 6: only certain people allowed to speak. Here, you've got so

785
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 6: many everyone's talking, and it's just say that Doggie told

786
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Speaker 6: them that everyone's.

787
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Speaker 4: Gary Joe and are going to take that. We're disciplined.

788
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's how I describe either of.

789
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Speaker 6: You, far more than what's happening right now.

790
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Speaker 3: Are you all right?

791
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Speaker 2: We're going to take a really quick break. You are

792
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Speaker 2: listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was.

794
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Speaker 2: Well, if you've just joined us, you've missed a busy

795
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Speaker 2: hour joining me still in the studio right now, Gary

796
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: ship By, head of news at the NT News, and

797
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: of course Joe Hersey, the Education Minister and Minister for

798
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Speaker 2: Public Employment, and of course Chancey Peig, the labor opposite

799
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Speaker 2: member in Alice Springs. Now, just to go back to

800
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Speaker 2: that line, so the election laws do not include truth

801
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: in advertising.

802
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: For election material.

803
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: So that's what I was trying to get to and

804
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: where I think it does need to change. So you know, accordingly,

805
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: it is up to each elector to assess whether someone's

806
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: telling the truth in their campaigns or not. Like to me,

807
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: that's something that actually needs to change. I think that

808
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: if you've got people saying, you know, whatever they like,

809
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: it's a.

810
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: Bit of a worry, sure is. Yeah.

811
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Speaker 2: Anyway, hey, before we wrap up, we have only got

812
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Speaker 2: a moment. But over the last week or so, it's

813
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: been incredibly busy up here in the Top End, Chancey.

814
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: I know you were here as well last week or

815
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: the week before as well. There's lots of different events on.

816
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: Anecdotally certainly feeling as though things are buzzing. I caught

817
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: up with Tourism Top End yesterday their general manager, Sam Bennett,

818
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: and she said that, yeah, there has been a lot

819
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 2: of visitors to town.

820
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Speaker 1: She'd also told.

821
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Speaker 2: Us about the World Archaeology Conference, which I know Gary's

822
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: told us about before as well.

823
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: I think there was like, yeah.

824
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Speaker 6: Over two thousand people here, yeah, fifteen hundred online and

825
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 6: that generated twelve million dollars into the economy, which is extraordinary.

826
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: Well, and when you look at event tourism, but also

827
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: when you look at you know, at the you know,

828
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: like conference tourism as well, you know, it's been a

829
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: great thing to see town bustling in the way it is.

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Speaker 6: And look, I don't know if people understand how important

831
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Speaker 6: the announcement yesterday was about the Goday Australia event, because

832
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 6: what that does next year it brings all the travel

833
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 6: agents who were selling the territory selling a tourism product

834
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Speaker 6: here to Darwin and it's very significant to have that.

835
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Speaker 6: I think it's about two hundred maybe three hundred, and

836
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Speaker 6: it's very significant to have those people here because that

837
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 6: again puts the territory in front of these people and

838
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 6: they'll be out there having a look at everything. So

839
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Speaker 6: I think that's a great degree.

840
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think that's fantastic and to put the territory

841
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 5: on a global stage be really exciting. But you know,

842
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 5: not only a global stage for tourism with that event

843
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 5: next year.

844
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Speaker 3: We've had the cricket.

845
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 5: Twenty cricket here this week that's been absolutely fantastic.

846
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: I got to one of the games the other nights.

847
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 5: Crowds were extraordinary, absolutely unbelievable, and the vibe there was

848
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 5: just unreal. People were you know, I saw people in

849
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 5: the crowd and they absolutely loved it. But also we've

850
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 5: got the Supercross coming oh yeah, the motocross motocross and

851
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 5: eighty percent of the tickets have been sold already overseas

852
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 5: and the interstate.

853
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 6: So the supercars not supercars, the solo cars are here.

854
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: At the moment yep.

855
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: And I know last week as well, like we had

856
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: the Aboriginal Art Fair, we had the there was like

857
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: there was so much on as well as the Darwin Festival.

858
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: Like it's all happening and there's been a real sort

859
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 2: of showcase of culture as well, hasn't there, Chancy.

860
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, look, I think Katie, we know that we're

861
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: a unique jurist and it's great that we embrace it

862
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: with these festivals, whether it's the dar and Aboriginal Art Fair,

863
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 4: Indigenous Fashion Awards, Motor Sports, cricket, all of these dar

864
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 4: and Festival. I mean it's amazing and I think it's

865
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 4: also important. You know, we've got great events popping up

866
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: along the track as well, whether it's Desert Mob in

867
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 4: Alis or the events in Katherine and Tenant Creek. They're

868
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: all great for the economy and they draw people, draw

869
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: people to the territory and I think that's that's wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Just took the words out of my mouth. He On

871
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Speaker 3: Todd has been.

872
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 5: Confirmed by the you know the government to support it

873
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 5: again this weekend. And tomorrow we've got the Catherine Races,

874
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 5: Katie Big.

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Speaker 3: It's a big day on the calendar in Catherine.

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Speaker 4: So see Joe, You'll have your you'll have your backside

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Speaker 4: track side, Joe, I will.

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Speaker 3: Be absolutely.

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Speaker 5: I volunteer for Roach Tree on the gate every year

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Speaker 5: and then I go to the races later on the afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Well look, it sounds like it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: busy weekend.

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Speaker 2: We are going to have to leave it there, Chancey

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Speaker 2: pay Good to have you on the show from Alice

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Speaker 2: Springs this morning.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time, no worries.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Katie, thanks everyone for participating.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: And Joe Hersey in Darwin from Catherine. Good to have

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Speaker 2: you in the studio this morning as well.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Katie, and thanks listeners. Everyone have a great weekend

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Speaker 5: and see you at the races.

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Speaker 2: And Gary Shipway of course from the NT and News.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you in the studio too.

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Speaker 6: Thank you. And I just want to wish everyone at

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Speaker 6: the Master Builders a good time.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, I'll be there to MC it's always a big.

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Speaker 2: Kneezer yed Hee's definitely good stuff. Good on you, Gary,

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Speaker 2: Thank you all so much for your time this morning.