Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode, we want to issue
Speaker 1: a trigger warning as we touch on issues around domestic
Speaker 1: violence and sexual assault. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's
Speaker 1: your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news
Speaker 1: twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert and we have a
Speaker 1: big episode today. We are going to be unpacking the
Speaker 1: Mikayla Tester and Anna and Addas Pol drama that has
Speaker 1: exploded on YouTube over the weekend. So, Mikayla Tester has
Speaker 1: shared some very disturbing insights into her relationship with the
Speaker 1: Pol family. In a two and a half hour podcast
Speaker 1: episode shared to YouTube, the Only Fans creator leveled some
Speaker 1: very serious allegations against the TikTok stars. Before we get
Speaker 1: into it, we want to reiterate that at this stage,
Speaker 1: these are just allegations that are being made by Mikayla Tester.
Speaker 1: The poles have not yet weighed in officially. Now, Kate,
Speaker 1: can you get us up to speed with what actually
Speaker 1: led to this podcast in the first place. So, last month,
Speaker 1: Mikayla released an eight minute expose on Anna and Attis Paul,
Speaker 1: which caused the Internet to explode. So for some background,
Speaker 1: Mikayla dated at us for several years before they broke
Speaker 1: up in twenty twenty two, and within the first weeks
Speaker 1: of dating, Mikayla moved in with a Paul family and
Speaker 1: really did become a family member. Well. She was particularly
Speaker 1: close with Anna and they labeled each other best friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were all very close. So initially on TikTok, Mikayla
Speaker 1: leveled serious allegations against Adis, which we have not been
Speaker 1: able to report on for legal reasons. But those allegations
Speaker 1: are all over TikTok and have not been censored, so
Speaker 1: I think everyone is up to speed what those allegations are.
Speaker 1: Pouls are yet to actually address any of those allegations. No,
Speaker 1: when Anna put out her apology, she didn't touch on
Speaker 1: anything to do with her brother.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, as for the claims against Anna, Mikayla accused
Speaker 1: her of incentivizing her underage fan base to sign up
Speaker 1: to her OnlyFans account with the lure of a cash giveaway,
Speaker 1: lying about growing up poor, as well as calling a
Speaker 1: fan fat and sweaty, and in a statement, Anna claimed
Speaker 1: that she felt poor at the time and that she
Speaker 1: called the fan sweaty but not fat. Now, Michayla started
Speaker 1: the podcast by providing some disclaimers, and the first being
Speaker 1: that she is not in trouble legally. She also confirmed
Speaker 1: that the Paul's legal team have not contacted her, and
Speaker 1: I felt that this was a really clever move by
Speaker 1: Mikayla to strengthen her claims, as when it comes to defamation,
Speaker 1: the truth is a defense. I thought that was really
Speaker 1: interesting insight into how the Paul family work, because I
Speaker 1: think everybody assumed looking in that they would have been
Speaker 1: completely lawyered up, that they would have reached out to
Speaker 1: Mikayla Tester. Yeah, it's not really a good look, is
Speaker 1: it now. The second disclaimer that Michayla put out there
Speaker 1: was that the podcast was not being monetized, and that's
Speaker 1: despite the fact that she had been offered paid opportunities.
Speaker 1: She was also offered to appear on a number of
Speaker 1: other podcasts, but she made the decision not to monetize
Speaker 1: it because she said she didn't want to profit off
Speaker 1: trauma and abuse, which I thought was a really good move. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a very clever strategic move because it makes her
Speaker 1: claims more valid as well. Yeah, and I think she
Speaker 1: was predicting that a lot of people would go on
Speaker 1: TikTok and say, oh, she's full of shit because she's
Speaker 1: making money off this podcast. I do think an alternative
Speaker 1: move that she could have made was actually to monetize it,
Speaker 1: but say that all of the money was going to
Speaker 1: a woman's charity. Sometimes that opens up the door for
Speaker 1: people to scrutinize father, like it's the wrong charity, or
Speaker 1: she hasn't given the full amount, or you know, remember
Speaker 1: when Sarah's Day raised that money for bushfire victims, And
Speaker 1: even though she did donate all of the money, everyone's
Speaker 1: like she didn't do it soon enough. Yeah, well, sadly,
Speaker 1: the final disclaimer came in the form of Michayla saying
Speaker 1: that she's not the perfect victim. So Mikayla gave some
Speaker 1: insight into her childhood. She explained that she grew up
Speaker 1: in an abusive environment with a teen mum who was
Speaker 1: a drug addict and also a stepdad who abused her.
Speaker 1: What I found fascinating is she spoke about how she
Speaker 1: was one of seven kids and that she grew up
Speaker 1: quote dirt broke and wouldn't have food because her mum
Speaker 1: spent money on drugs. And it just made me think
Speaker 1: about how annoyed she must have been sitting there. Well,
Speaker 1: Anna Paul was trying to perpetuate this image that she
Speaker 1: grew up paor when that was actually Michayla's reality. It
Speaker 1: really it seems like Anna was cosplaying Mikayla's life and
Speaker 1: using her personal stories to build this narrative about herself
Speaker 1: that would garner sympathy and interest. He was so sad
Speaker 1: because Michayla also touched on the fact that she finally
Speaker 1: met her biological father when she was fourteen, but sadly,
Speaker 1: he died of cancer when she was eighteen. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: really broke my heart because it felt like she was
Speaker 1: finally in a good place with her dad and then
Speaker 1: that happened. I do think it was really clever of
Speaker 1: the way that she prefaced her childhood at the start
Speaker 1: of this video so listeners could actually make sense of
Speaker 1: her actions. And it did upset me that she kept
Speaker 1: having to apologize and say that she blamed herself, because
Speaker 1: it's clear throughout her life she has been a victim
Speaker 1: of abuse. I was just in aura of how she
Speaker 1: was able to speak so confidently in this video and
Speaker 1: how likable she came across. Sadly, I think if she
Speaker 1: hadn't made all of these disclaimers, though, there would be
Speaker 1: a section of people who would say that she's just
Speaker 1: as bad for perhaps being a bystander in this because
Speaker 1: I mean, we will go further into it, but she
Speaker 1: played unseen videos, but you can hear her voice in
Speaker 1: the background having directions. It was quite interesting because she
Speaker 1: also said that she thinks that she suffered from Stockholm
Speaker 1: syndrome during this experience with the polls, which we will
Speaker 1: further dive into. But yeah, there were a lot of
Speaker 1: disclaimers which were very important. I think I do want
Speaker 1: to applaud Makayla because it would have been hard opening
Speaker 1: up about her personal life, but it was really clever
Speaker 1: because it made you empathize with her and understand what
Speaker 1: triggered her to call out Anna on claiming that she
Speaker 1: grew up poor. And I really enjoyed the receipts that
Speaker 1: Mikayla provided in this YouTube to prove that Anna did
Speaker 1: not grow up poor. Not only did she label Anna's
Speaker 1: claims as a sham, a light, and an exaggeration, she
Speaker 1: shared countless photos to back up her claims. I think
Speaker 1: the most damning ones were the ones of Anna and
Speaker 1: Adis as kids living in the waterfront home, and then
Speaker 1: later on as teenagers showing that they were in that
Speaker 1: same home. I just loved her pointing out she's like
Speaker 1: brand name, brand name. They always had Starbucks, they were
Speaker 1: out for cafes with their mom. My favorite one was
Speaker 1: when she was saying, oh, Anna thinks that she grew
Speaker 1: up poor because her first carve a hold an aster.
Speaker 1: And then Mikayla ended up bringing up a Google Maps
Speaker 1: photo from back in the day showing the family van
Speaker 1: that she used to have to drive to school in
Speaker 1: which looked like I had was broken down, like it's
Speaker 1: seen better days. Oh that made me laugh. The crazy
Speaker 1: thing is all of these photos were readily available on
Speaker 1: Anna's own Instagram account, Like why did she not delete them?
Speaker 1: And how come it's only until now that these have
Speaker 1: been brought up. Look after this whole ordeal, you think
Speaker 1: you'd go and do a bit of a delete on Instagram?
Speaker 1: Would Yeah? But is it that she's so delusional that
Speaker 1: she thinks that that was growing up Paul? She is
Speaker 1: she trying to claim that a lot of the designer
Speaker 1: goods were fake? Because didn't you say that a dead
Speaker 1: Hans used to go to garage sales or sell fake
Speaker 1: style and that she sat on first class but she
Speaker 1: was only there for a second or something. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe she doesn't think Michael Kore's is as good as
Speaker 1: a Rolex. You have you guys seen those tiktoks popping
Speaker 1: up and it's a guy who's imitating Addis Paul his
Speaker 1: videos from twenty twenty two, and it's like, I am
Speaker 1: so rich, fuck you all like this and how rich
Speaker 1: I am? This is my twenty one million dollar watch.
Speaker 1: I think what was so apparent during this video is
Speaker 1: how clever Mikayla test is because she understands Anna's fan
Speaker 1: base and what an absolute ace it would be if
Speaker 1: she had the backing of Anna's beloved ex, Glenn Thompson.
Speaker 1: And not only did Mikayla reveal that Glenn helped her
Speaker 1: during her personal experiences of abuse, but that he also
Speaker 1: supports her. Now. He sounded so lovely, like you just
Speaker 1: got a vibe that he was that one person that
Speaker 1: Michayla could have actually confided in during that experience. And
Speaker 1: she was really respectful of Glenn, which I think was
Speaker 1: another strategic move because she knew if she started outing
Speaker 1: all of her text messages between Glenn. Then that would
Speaker 1: not be seen favorably with our fan. It would also
Speaker 1: get Glenn offside as well, and that lend to more
Speaker 1: drama where maybe he could have provided receipts about Mikayla Well.
Speaker 1: She ended up sharing screenshots from a conversation with him
Speaker 1: that supported her claims. Mikayla also alleged that Anna constantly
Speaker 1: fat shamed Glenn.
Speaker 2: This is what she said Anna behind Glenn's back to
Speaker 2: me and my entire friend group that we were we had,
Speaker 2: you know, Anna, Me, Lilith, Chloe Bailey. She would call
Speaker 2: Glenn fat on the daily. She'd call him fat every
Speaker 2: single day. She'd fat shame him. She'd fat shame him
Speaker 2: with her mom. It was mostly like attis Anna Mama.
Speaker 1: This was the times that I recall in person her
Speaker 1: saying this. She'd be talking shit in German about Glenn.
Speaker 2: Okay, I heard it, and I also heard her just
Speaker 2: talking shit to me and my friend group in English
Speaker 2: as well about Glenn being fat. It was very fucked
Speaker 2: to witness, and I'm swear to God no word of lie.
Speaker 2: She was saying this about Glenn and Glenn's family for years,
Speaker 2: like one time she came back from a trip in
Speaker 2: Balley with Glenn and all of Glenn's family members, and
Speaker 2: she had made a really fucked up comment about how
Speaker 2: they wear shower curtains to the day clubs and Anna's
Speaker 2: in a Bikinian it feels so awkward because they're so fat,
Speaker 2: and she literally thinks that his family's jealous of her.
Speaker 1: It was just really bizarre, like she'd be.
Speaker 3: It was just like.
Speaker 2: An unspoken thing that attis her and Mama hated Glenn's family,
Speaker 2: and it was always like a them verse, like their
Speaker 2: family verse.
Speaker 1: Glenn's family sort of thing. Like it was just really
Speaker 1: fucking weird. Michayla's obviously putting this out there because she's
Speaker 1: trying to back up her original claim saying that Anna
Speaker 1: called a fan fat, so she's trying to demonstrate that
Speaker 1: this is a pattern of behavior and language that she
Speaker 1: used quite comfortably. It's particularly awkward because for a number
Speaker 1: of years Anna Paul portrayed herself as this body positivity advocate,
Speaker 1: and the fact that Glenn lost so much weight after
Speaker 1: he and Anna broke up, it really makes you think,
Speaker 1: what about when Michaela said that the whole family had
Speaker 1: to take part in fasting as this plot to make
Speaker 1: Glenn thinner without making him feel bad, and then Michaela
Speaker 1: said that she ended up getting this eating disorderfied. I
Speaker 1: also thought it was interesting when Michayla said that Anna
Speaker 1: would lose it if they went to Starbucks and apparently
Speaker 1: Glenn would order a particularly sugary drink and she'd be like, no,
Speaker 1: he has to have this one. Like it just painted
Speaker 1: such a picture. And it's these little details that just
Speaker 1: make her story seem so believable because she just couldn't
Speaker 1: make this shit up. Yeah, I can't stop thinking about
Speaker 1: the fact that Anna continued to push this narrative that
Speaker 1: her and Glenn were still best friends after the breakup
Speaker 1: and their families would spend Christmas together. Also Anna giving
Speaker 1: Glenn the car, Well, well, we spoke about this on
Speaker 1: the podcast when they were pretending to be friends, and
Speaker 1: I said, this is bullshit. At the time, no one
Speaker 1: is that close to there. It's all very sas now,
Speaker 1: throughout this whole saga, we have had to be really
Speaker 1: careful on how we report on the allegations. Mikayla has
Speaker 1: leveled it addis Paul as they are of a serious nature.
Speaker 1: After viewing the public court documents that appeared in Michayla's video. Though,
Speaker 1: what we can legally say is it appears Adis was
Speaker 1: sentenced in the district Court on the eighth of May
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. It is unclear the terms of the sentencing.
Speaker 1: To be transparent, we have applied to the court to
Speaker 1: view the sentencing document, but at the time of the recording,
Speaker 1: we have not received it. It takes seven business days,
Speaker 1: so we are hoping to receive the documents soon. What
Speaker 1: has caused some confusion though, is that Adis appeared in
Speaker 1: court under his real name, which is actually Johanna's Theodore Paul.
Speaker 1: What does asas come from there? And that's what I'm
Speaker 1: so confused about. Is it because it's Johannes Attis, Like
Speaker 1: I don't understand when did he change his name and why?
Speaker 1: It's very yes, And a lot of people have been
Speaker 1: wondering why the media haven't really been on this story.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if the media were searching under Addis Paul.
Speaker 1: And I love though that michaela went as far as
Speaker 1: to show Addis's Medicare card as proof that this actually
Speaker 1: was his REALCAU. There would be so many people being like,
Speaker 1: that's not even his name, someone else. We will go
Speaker 1: into it in more detail a little bit later, but
Speaker 1: his name Johanna's Paul actually appeared on the season desist
Speaker 1: letter that he sent his ex girlfriend. Interestingly, the timing
Speaker 1: of Addis's appearance at the sentencing hearing coincided with him
Speaker 1: leaving social media. So in late April twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: Addis vanished from social media after uploading a very cryptic
Speaker 1: video of himself walking around at nights smoking. He had
Speaker 1: also unfollowed all of his friends on Instagram, and he
Speaker 1: shared a statement at the time saying social media had
Speaker 1: destroyed his mental health and the Internet was treating him
Speaker 1: like an evil villain. A week later, he then appeared
Speaker 1: in front of the district court for sentencing. So it's
Speaker 1: very interesting timing, isn't it. I think the most chilling
Speaker 1: allegations came at the hour mark of this podcast. So
Speaker 1: Michayla shared her personal experiences with manipulation and abuse within
Speaker 1: the Paul family. She also detailed disturbing accounts of alleged
Speaker 1: domestic and emotional abuse and cohersion. So Michayla spoke in
Speaker 1: depth about an incident at the Paul family house, and
Speaker 1: this is where Adis allegedly held a knife to his
Speaker 1: throat and threatened to harm himself if she left. I
Speaker 1: was actually watching this alone late at night, Reese had
Speaker 1: gone to bed, and I actually got quite scared because
Speaker 1: the way she told the story, it felt like you
Speaker 1: were there and watching her all unfold, or she was
Speaker 1: sort of re enacting what happened almost. Mickayla also alleged
Speaker 1: that she was financially abused by Adas Paul So. According
Speaker 1: to Michayla, he was in the process of starting up
Speaker 1: an OnlyFans management company when she first started dating him,
Speaker 1: and the plan was for him to met Anna's friends
Speaker 1: on the platform. Mikayla claims that Anna and Adas persuaded
Speaker 1: her to let Addis manage her OnlyFans and it wasn't
Speaker 1: long until Attis was taking a fifty percent cut for
Speaker 1: doing minimal work. And when I say minimal work, according
Speaker 1: to Michayla, the extent of his management was telling her
Speaker 1: what color lingerie to wear to put her into perspective.
Speaker 1: When she was nineteen, she was earning one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars a month from OnlyFans, so Addis Paul
Speaker 1: was taking sixty thousand dollars a month. She also claimed
Speaker 1: that when she threatened to cut Adis off from the earnings,
Speaker 1: he would threaten suicide and the situation would turn abusive.
Speaker 1: So in one instance, Mikayla alleges, while driving with Addas,
Speaker 1: he slammed on the brakes of his car, causing her
Speaker 1: to hit her head on the windshield. Mikayla did preface
Speaker 1: during this part of the YouTube that when she first
Speaker 1: met Adis, she had a far bigger profile than him,
Speaker 1: because I think there is this narrative online that she
Speaker 1: used the polls and she moved in with them to
Speaker 1: grow her own career. But her career was doing really well.
Speaker 1: She already had a manager. She didn't need another manner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And what I found particularly difficult to listen to was
Speaker 1: when Mikayla spoke about how Anna and Adas's mother, who
Speaker 1: she referred to as Mama, were allegedly complicit in all
Speaker 1: of this. So Mikayla claims that Anna and Mama enabled
Speaker 1: Addis's behavior. She said that Anna was always defensive of
Speaker 1: Adas and excused his behavior despite witnessing this alleged abuse.
Speaker 1: According to Mikayla. Anna would emotionally blackmail her to stay
Speaker 1: with Adas, saying things like you're the one that can
Speaker 1: get through to him, no joke, the things you say
Speaker 1: to him could save his life. I saw this TikTok
Speaker 1: pop up focusing on the poll's mom and saying, what
Speaker 1: was mama thinking? In the sense of obviously all of
Speaker 1: the people involved in the story apart from her were
Speaker 1: very young and like there was actually an adult in
Speaker 1: this situation who was just watching this all happen allegedly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Anna's involvement, like they were talking about how she
Speaker 1: was allegedly recruiting her friends to date Addis and encouraging
Speaker 1: Michayla today Addis so that they could be sisters. Like
Speaker 1: it was all very odd and was very clear that
Speaker 1: they wanted to recruit as many women as possible to
Speaker 1: potentially join this onlyfan management team, because clearly it was
Speaker 1: a way to make huge money during the pandem. It
Speaker 1: was a way for Adas to make money because his
Speaker 1: sister is there making a lot of money off OnlyFans,
Speaker 1: and people weren't really interested at the time in subscribing
Speaker 1: to a guy doing OnlyFans, and what really shoped listeners
Speaker 1: was when Mikayla revealed just how close Addis and Anna's
Speaker 1: relationship was in regard to OnlyFans. So she said that
Speaker 1: there was this weird dynamic between Anna, Addis and Mama,
Speaker 1: and in her opinion, it seemed like they were all
Speaker 1: co dependent because allegedly they wouldn't spend more than a
Speaker 1: couple of hours apart. It was actually really difficult for
Speaker 1: Michayla to spend alone time with Adis without his mum
Speaker 1: or sister there. They were, in fact, so close that
Speaker 1: Mikayla alleged that Addis shot Anna's only fans content that
Speaker 1: was absolutely fucked and particularly because she backed it up
Speaker 1: by showing one of the photos that Adas took and
Speaker 1: saying that he actually also filmed content where Mikayla and
Speaker 1: Anna did collaborations where presumably they performed sex act. It
Speaker 1: was whatever. It was one of those moments where I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think the Paul family can come
Speaker 1: back to this, especially becaus has been so many rumors
Speaker 1: about how close Anna and Ashes. Well, there's this video
Speaker 1: floating around on TikTok that Anna uploaded last year that
Speaker 1: has not aged well in light of Mikayla's allegations, Let's
Speaker 1: play it.
Speaker 3: My brother is my soulmate, and we are so close
Speaker 3: that in high school there was a roomor going around
Speaker 3: that apparently we sleep together, because I think teenagers they
Speaker 3: see a girl and the boy close and they're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, sex right the guys, what's going on?
Speaker 3: And I'm twenty five and he's twenty three, and we
Speaker 3: are so inseparable.
Speaker 1: We've reached us mind.
Speaker 3: He's literally my twin.
Speaker 1: Most brothers would refuse to take a nice photo of
Speaker 1: their sister, let alone their sister undressing or in these
Speaker 1: positions like, it's just wild to me that this allegedly
Speaker 1: went on. Now. Towards the end of the podcast, Mikayla
Speaker 1: alleged that in twenty twenty one, Adas Paul tried to
Speaker 1: silence his ex girlfriend. We have decided not to name
Speaker 1: her as she was underage at the time. For the
Speaker 1: purpose of the podcast, we will call her Jane. We
Speaker 1: actually did cover this story back in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: and finally it was our introduction to the Poll family.
Speaker 1: I actually listened back to the episode to prep for today,
Speaker 1: and I was so embarrassed. It definitely was our first
Speaker 1: introduction to the polls because sometimes we referred to him
Speaker 1: as Addis and other times we referred to him as artists,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god. After that episode dropped,
Speaker 1: we actually received a message from Mikayla tester threatening to
Speaker 1: sue us, which shows what a full circle moment this
Speaker 1: all is. Yeah, it really does. Now. This whole saga
Speaker 1: started back in twenty twenty one, as we said earlier,
Speaker 1: when a then sixteen year old Jane made a TikTok
Speaker 1: about dating an older man who she said took advantage
Speaker 1: of her. Jane didn't refer to the man by name,
Speaker 1: but it led people from their hometown to speculate in
Speaker 1: the comments that she was talking about. At us. To
Speaker 1: provide some context, Jane alleges that she was thirteen when
Speaker 1: she dated a then sixteen year old Attis. Now off
Speaker 1: the back of this TikTok, Mikayla alleges that Addis created
Speaker 1: a fake email address and message Jane, pretending to be
Speaker 1: a brand manager, all in a bid to obtain her
Speaker 1: address to send a cease and desist letter. Mikayla also
Speaker 1: claimed that Addis wrote the letter himself, and upon receiving
Speaker 1: the letter Jane immediately shared it to her Instagram story
Speaker 1: and commented how poorly it was written. She was right,
Speaker 1: it was very clear that this was not written by
Speaker 1: a lawyer. What is with all these influences pretending to
Speaker 1: be lawyers, Like, surely they have enough money to just
Speaker 1: seek legal help us.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: The letter stated that if Jane didn't immediately stop making
Speaker 1: false and slanderous claims against Adis Paul, that a defamation
Speaker 1: lawsuit would commence against her. Interestingly, as I said earlier,
Speaker 1: the letter referred to Adis by his real name, Johannes Paul.
Speaker 1: One line that really stood out to me in the
Speaker 1: letter was you must not make false accusations of being
Speaker 1: a victim and accusing Johanna's Paul of pedophilia grooming as
Speaker 1: if it was not consentual. Now, in Queensland, the age
Speaker 1: of consent for having sex is sixteen, so if you
Speaker 1: are under sixteen, you legally cannot give consent. So for
Speaker 1: this legal letter to say, oh, you can't call me
Speaker 1: a pedophile as if it wasn't consentsual, well, you actually
Speaker 1: can't give consent at the age of sixteen, so it
Speaker 1: is a criminal offense to engage in sexual activity with
Speaker 1: a child under sixteen. Queensland laws apply to a range
Speaker 1: of sexual activity, including sexual penetration and touching a person
Speaker 1: in a sexual way, for example, on their breast. Now,
Speaker 1: there was a picture of Attis and Jane when she
Speaker 1: was in year eight when she was thirteen, and he
Speaker 1: was in year twelve when he was sixteen, and he's
Speaker 1: groping her breast. The photo was taken by Anna Paul.
Speaker 1: This went viral at the time on social meid. It's
Speaker 1: even more proof that this letter wasn't written by a lawyer.
Speaker 1: The fact that this person who wrote this letter clearly
Speaker 1: doesn't understand Queensland's laws for one, and the wording is
Speaker 1: so off. Yeah, I mean a lawyer would never make
Speaker 1: a comment using consent as a defense when it's not
Speaker 1: a legal defense. In Queensland. The only defense that can
Speaker 1: be considered is if the child is over the age
Speaker 1: of twelve and the accused believed on reasonable grounds that
Speaker 1: the child was above the age of sixteen. In a
Speaker 1: case of Attis and Jane, the pair went to school together,
Speaker 1: so it's likely that Adas was aware of how old
Speaker 1: she was at the time. It's quite ironic because their
Speaker 1: attempts to silence. Jane actually did the opposite, and the
Speaker 1: story completely blew up, and that cease and desist letter
Speaker 1: went viral, and Michayla said it caused the Poles to
Speaker 1: scramble and engage real lawyers. So they also released a
Speaker 1: statement on YouTube defending themselves and slamming Jane. And it
Speaker 1: was at this point in Michayla's YouTube video that she
Speaker 1: held the smoking gun because she actually had the unedited
Speaker 1: version of the poll's video statement. My jaw was on
Speaker 1: the floor when she played some of these unedited parts.
Speaker 1: This was the first scene from the unedited video of Attis.
Speaker 3: Poul For the most part of the relationship, I barely
Speaker 3: thought she was high.
Speaker 1: Just not sommed this guy off. This is apparently an
Speaker 1: example of his sense of humor. And Michayela was saying
Speaker 1: that he thought it'd be hilarious to say something that
Speaker 1: he'd get canceled for at the start of the video.
Speaker 1: Obviously knew it wouldn't go to air. It has gone
Speaker 1: to air now, in the fact that these allegations were
Speaker 1: so serious and he thought, oh, I'm going to make
Speaker 1: this joke at the start of it. Also, do they
Speaker 1: not realize things like that get leaked all the time
Speaker 1: they have. And it's interesting because I went to go
Speaker 1: watch the original video and Anna Paul's YouTube channel is
Speaker 1: no longer available to view. I would have got that
Speaker 1: shit down a meeting if I was there when she
Speaker 1: first came out with the allegations on Tiktomah. Throughout this
Speaker 1: podcast episode, Mikayla was really trying to paint a picture
Speaker 1: of how much Anna protected Addas, and these snippets from
Speaker 1: the unedited statement really demonstrated it. She really did the
Speaker 1: dirty work for her brother, and it's so disturbing that
Speaker 1: it appears that she knew the truth and knowingly covered
Speaker 1: it up for Adis Now. In the statement that went live,
Speaker 1: Anna denied that she and Adas had any knowledge of
Speaker 1: the cease and desist letter and that it was the
Speaker 1: Pool team who sent it to Jane. In the unedited
Speaker 1: version of the video, though, it showed that this was
Speaker 1: not the case at all.
Speaker 4: We want to say that we can like a little
Speaker 4: bit more. We convinced that lawyer, like we we thought
Speaker 4: a video. We would yeah, we pitched that idea to
Speaker 4: our lawyer. We would prefer to make a video. So
Speaker 4: everyone still has a chance to still give a chance
Speaker 4: for because that's what we're doing. We make videos. We commenced.
Speaker 4: Please let us try to resolve this with our selves
Speaker 4: with a video before a human. So so we pitched
Speaker 4: her a lawyer that we want to make this right
Speaker 4: with a video rather than legal action.
Speaker 1: I think Mikayla's commentary really summed it up. The pool's team.
Speaker 1: We didn't have a team. We never had a pool team.
Speaker 1: The team didn't exist.
Speaker 2: I just was sitting on his laptop making the fake email,
Speaker 2: sending it off, sending it to our address.
Speaker 1: He was he was doing all of it all right. Well,
Speaker 1: I could think about when I was watching This unedited
Speaker 1: version is Anna's most recent statement that went viral regarding
Speaker 1: Mikayla's original claims. Imagine getting the unedited version of that.
Speaker 1: It shocks me that someone as famous and rich as
Speaker 1: Anna Paul doesn't have her own team. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: pretty clear that the family sat around like they had
Speaker 1: previously done to try and work out this awful apology.
Speaker 1: But just that she doesn't have a team. She's watching
Speaker 1: that video. She does not habitat. She runs a business
Speaker 1: with Sam Maignan as a PR company. I think Sam
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. I think they did.
Speaker 1: I don't think that he did, and he probably trying
Speaker 1: to distance himself from all of this as it's blowing up.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, surely they would have spoken
Speaker 1: to someone and got some advice. Do you think any
Speaker 1: expert would have given them that advice for her to
Speaker 1: say what she did in the TikTok? I think that
Speaker 1: maybe they've been given advice and they're too arrogant to
Speaker 1: take it on board. No, no, but they I think
Speaker 1: that they're so caught up in thinking that everyone loves
Speaker 1: them and it's just going to blow over and everyone's
Speaker 1: not going to believe Michayla. I think it gives more
Speaker 1: of an insight into the fact that maybe this family
Speaker 1: is as powerful as everybody thinks they are. I would
Speaker 1: put a lot of money on the fact that they
Speaker 1: would be now sitting with a crisis pr management team
Speaker 1: working out their next steps from here. Now. The levels
Speaker 1: at the polls allegedly went to silence a sixteen year
Speaker 1: oldgol were very disturbing. Mikayla claims that Adas purchase bots
Speaker 1: and sent them to Jane's account for two reasons. So
Speaker 1: the first was to try and get Jane's Instagram account
Speaker 1: taken down by Instagram so she would stop posting receipts
Speaker 1: about him. The second was to try and paint Jane
Speaker 1: as a fame hungry cloud chaser. So Jane had sixty
Speaker 1: thousand followers at the time after sharing the season desist letter.
Speaker 1: And this part of the strategy worked, particularly after Anna
Speaker 1: said this in her statement on YouTube.
Speaker 4: And even this morning she was buying life and followers
Speaker 4: on her Instagram, which this is irrelevant, pet shit, right,
Speaker 4: But when it comes into the story of her doing
Speaker 4: this for wrong intentions, it makes complete sense. You know,
Speaker 4: having a.
Speaker 1: Large she's not doing she does. She didn't buy followers.
Speaker 4: To get her voice out there, because followers they're not
Speaker 4: real people, right. She just wants a bigger number next
Speaker 4: to her name, which is why we think this whole
Speaker 4: thing started in the first place. As old friends have said,
Speaker 4: she's jealous of the fame that Mikaylibert. A lot of
Speaker 4: petty stuff, and it's just unfortunate that this very petty
Speaker 4: person and very petty situation has blown.
Speaker 1: Up to such a large extent. It's just completely fucked
Speaker 1: the manipulation.
Speaker 4: You know, she's buying followers now she has now wanted
Speaker 4: to come out with her own business endeavor. Literally one
Speaker 4: day after this whole happened, she's now saying that she
Speaker 4: wants to come out with her own business endeavor, literally.
Speaker 1: Just after this. I'll take my hat off to them.
Speaker 1: It was definitely a very clever and strategic move to
Speaker 1: do that and to plant a seed of doubt in
Speaker 1: people's mind as to what her intentions were. Extremely unethical, oh,
Speaker 1: completely completely unethical, the wrong thing to do. But I
Speaker 1: was so fascinated by this concept of bot war was
Speaker 1: because mc kayla was saying that she's had people send
Speaker 1: her bots. She sent bots to other people. It seems
Speaker 1: like some of the influencers due to discredit people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seemed just like this common tactic and it was
Speaker 1: more like, Oh, it's really annoying because I've got to
Speaker 1: remove all of these bots. It does blow my mind
Speaker 1: that everyone was okay at the time with Anna sending
Speaker 1: millions of her followers to bully a sixteen year old girl, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: her tone about her even in there were snippets where
Speaker 1: she was like this little girl, and then she'd have
Speaker 1: to rephrase and be like a sixteen year old girl
Speaker 1: it's ironic that they're calling her a little girl, and
Speaker 1: also quite disturbing considering what she's accused. Otis all, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: Well it's like your brother was dating this little girl. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: things couldn't get any worse, Mikayla added this unedited snippet.
Speaker 4: So we decided to drive to her house to tell
Speaker 4: her to please stop spreading our address. And when I
Speaker 4: say meat, and when I say we, I mean myself
Speaker 4: at us, Glenn, Glenn's older sister, Glenn's sister, and their
Speaker 4: family friends. So it was five of us. It was
Speaker 4: five adults going to confront a fourteen year old. And
Speaker 4: I fully understand how that is just inappropriate being older. Now,
Speaker 4: that is something that we shouldn't have done. Like I
Speaker 4: realized that we did it to intimidate her, but comment,
Speaker 4: she's fourteen. But okay, because we have to take accountability,
Speaker 4: I'm going to say we didn't talk. We were just there.
Speaker 4: We were just there to support.
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that they thought that that was
Speaker 1: okay to put out. Oh, there were five adults there
Speaker 1: to intimidate a fourteen year old, and that addis is like,
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't say that. I mean, what is going on,
Speaker 1: why is Anna putting her career on the line to
Speaker 1: protect her brother so much? Well, again, it sounded like
Speaker 1: the whole house revolved around Addis Paul. It made me
Speaker 1: feel so sick hearing Addis coaching Anna what to say.
Speaker 1: It's like, You've got a sister here whose career is
Speaker 1: on the line because of something that you've done. It's
Speaker 1: important to know that Addis Paul and Mikayla Tester also
Speaker 1: featured in this video, but it was really Anna taking
Speaker 1: the rap for it because she has the biggest profile.
Speaker 1: I suppose she had the most to protect in this situation,
Speaker 1: but it's also a pretty strategic move to use her
Speaker 1: because she is so likable. Yeah, with her coming up
Speaker 1: and defending him, people are like, okay, it must be true.
Speaker 1: And Nakayla touched on the fact that she felt really
Speaker 1: guilty for her part in this video. But we've got
Speaker 1: to remember soundly she has being completely gaslit about this
Speaker 1: whole situation. She said she had Stockholm syndrome, and this
Speaker 1: is something that people with Stockholm syndrome do, they port
Speaker 1: their abuses. We've got to remember as well that this
Speaker 1: situation with Jane took place several years before Mikayla even
Speaker 1: came onto the scene, so she was just believing what
Speaker 1: the polls were telling her and obviously wanted to think
Speaker 1: the best of her partner now. Despite the attempts to
Speaker 1: intimidate and silence Jane, to her credit, the sixteen year
Speaker 1: old did not back down, so she released a statement
Speaker 1: to her Instagram that read, to anyone normalizing thirteen year
Speaker 1: olds dating sixteen year olds, plus, I hope you give
Speaker 1: the same energy to your youngest siblings if she finds
Speaker 1: herself in that position. Better yet, your future child. Dating
Speaker 1: is a time in my life that has been very
Speaker 1: detrimental to my mental health and self esteem. Post healing
Speaker 1: from the breakup, it took me well over a year
Speaker 1: to fully recover from all the built up manipulation, lies,
Speaker 1: and gas lighting I'd been fed and susceptible to. I
Speaker 1: believed I was mature at the time, but I had
Speaker 1: to deal with the emotional aspect for longer than the relationship.
Speaker 1: He told me how to act, what music I should
Speaker 1: listen to, what to wear and post so I don't
Speaker 1: come off too young, and when people say I would
Speaker 1: look older, that would give him a lot of satisfaction.
Speaker 1: But my self image was me trying to be several
Speaker 1: years older and more mature than I was, engaging in
Speaker 1: underage drinking, drugs, sex, etc. With Addis Paul, I lost
Speaker 1: a lot of my true identity, young and innocent throughout this,
Speaker 1: and mental challenges faced being with the presence of their
Speaker 1: family and the pedestal they put themselves on. Years after
Speaker 1: healing from this, I felt no need to speak on
Speaker 1: this as I've grown, But once again I chose to
Speaker 1: be silent, And now I choose to voice against your
Speaker 1: pathetic attempt to silence me and save your career when
Speaker 1: I wasn't coming through it in the first place. Taking
Speaker 1: accountability would serve you better than threatening to destroy me
Speaker 1: in court. But that's the morally correct thing to do.
Speaker 1: But your morals clearly aren't in check. The truth is
Speaker 1: spilling out. But hey, at least I'm not silenced. Speak up,
Speaker 1: you were heard. What a powerful statement. I think. The
Speaker 1: thing that's most shocking is all of these allegations seem
Speaker 1: to just disappear. Everyone seemed to forget about them. Anna
Speaker 1: and Addis's career exploded. Remember we spoke about this metamorphosis
Speaker 1: of Addis Paul and he turned into this guy who
Speaker 1: liked painting and horse riding, and he seemed really sweet.
Speaker 1: He was a background character to Anna's videos because he
Speaker 1: stopped posting on social media and it was actually good
Speaker 1: for him to only be the background character. And you
Speaker 1: talk about Anna's success her meet and greet shut down
Speaker 1: the CBD in Perth, and when you look back at
Speaker 1: those photos, you see Adis there around a bunch of
Speaker 1: underage girls signing people's heads. As MICHAELA said, no one
Speaker 1: had a problem with him being around all these young girl.
Speaker 1: It would have been so tough for Jane sitting back
Speaker 1: and watching this happen, because you've put your heart and
Speaker 1: soul out there, You've explained what's gone on, and you
Speaker 1: probably would feel like no one believed you. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: when you look back at what went down in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one between Jane and Addis, you just wonder how
Speaker 1: the polls were even able to reach that level of success.
Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of just shows as a society
Speaker 1: and also media wise, that people were just willing to
Speaker 1: overlook the claims.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I think it's because the mainstream media only really picked
Speaker 1: up on who Anna Paul was when she shut down
Speaker 1: Perth CBD and a lot of the time media don't
Speaker 1: really want to put the effort into these influencer stories
Speaker 1: because I think it's just some trashy thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've seen that play out recently last month, when Mikayla
Speaker 1: Tester started making all these allegations, the media were all
Speaker 1: over it. But now when allegations and very serious ones
Speaker 1: have been leveled at an influencer who is a male,
Speaker 1: no one can be stuff to put in the groundwork
Speaker 1: to uncover what is going on. From having worked in
Speaker 1: the media, I think think there are a few reasons
Speaker 1: why the mainstream media is not picking up in this story,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it has to do
Speaker 1: with the fact of who these people are. I think
Speaker 1: that if you look into newspaper journalism, for example, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of older journalists who might not understand
Speaker 1: what a big pop culture story this is, but they
Speaker 1: understood it a month ago, how big this was. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's why all the publications were picking up on that.
Speaker 1: But they're picking up on stuff that they can easily
Speaker 1: report on. They're not wanting to do the groundwork in
Speaker 1: order to actually release this story in the newspaper. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of legalities around it. I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: just come out and say this person did X, Y
Speaker 1: and Z. And there was a really interesting documentary that
Speaker 1: was released a few years ago on Belle Gibson and
Speaker 1: it showed the efforts of one reporter to expose her,
Speaker 1: and it also spoke about how the media actually have
Speaker 1: this huge responsibility when they're promoting people like Bell Gibson
Speaker 1: and Anna Paul and Addis Paul, and how often journalists
Speaker 1: don't actually look into the full story. Like with Bell Gibson,
Speaker 1: for example, her friend had been trying to expose her
Speaker 1: for months. She'd been emailing numerous journalists about this story,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people just said to well, well,
Speaker 1: these are really serious allegations, like we need proof, and
Speaker 1: often the onus of proof is placed on the source
Speaker 1: of the story. People aren't like journalism is different now.
Speaker 1: They don't have the time to spend looking into the stories,
Speaker 1: putting it on a plate, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: she's providing all of the receipts necessary, so some of
Speaker 1: the receipts, but some of the receipts wouldn't actually hold
Speaker 1: up in the journalism world, Like you can't just say, oh,
Speaker 1: here's a message of me dming my friend about it.
Speaker 1: I also think that it comes down to journalists being
Speaker 1: scared and also media organizations not having the money and
Speaker 1: power that they once had. They're coming up against people
Speaker 1: who also they know have money, so I think that's
Speaker 1: why they're a bit reluctant to do it. Let's be realistic.
Speaker 1: This is a case of a story is more interesting
Speaker 1: to the Australian media if it is a catfight between
Speaker 1: two of Australia's biggest only fans. Does they don't want
Speaker 1: to report on a guy who has been accused of
Speaker 1: domestic violence even though violence against women is such a
Speaker 1: serious issue in the country. It's clear. I mean, look
Speaker 1: at the Australian media landscape. We've got Ben Cousins on
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars and then promoted into the AFL
Speaker 1: footy commentating team. The media do not care about domestic
Speaker 1: violence against women. I mean two minds about it. Because
Speaker 1: I also think that sections of the media could potentially
Speaker 1: be discrediting Mikayla's claims due to what her profession is,
Speaker 1: which is so unfair as she's a sex worker. Maybe
Speaker 1: they think that the mainstream media or public aren't going
Speaker 1: to take her claim seriously. See, I actually think Anna
Speaker 1: being a sex worker and being Australia's most famous sex
Speaker 1: worker actually went in her favor in terms of people
Speaker 1: not wanting to question her, because I mean I actually
Speaker 1: predicted at the start of this year that she would
Speaker 1: be canceled because I saw the momentum of how people
Speaker 1: reacted to Bonnie Blue when she came to Australia, and
Speaker 1: I think we went through this phase of very sex positivity,
Speaker 1: very supportive of sex workers, and it got to the
Speaker 1: point people didn't want to say anything that went against
Speaker 1: her because they would be seen to be being derogatory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at the time, everyone felt a bit too awkward or
Speaker 1: like they weren't allowed to question why a sex worker
Speaker 1: was becoming a pin up for school age children and
Speaker 1: a role model, and that it was inappropriate. I agree,
Speaker 1: Kate though, with your comments about the momentum changing, because
Speaker 1: even this week I saw that it was highly publicized
Speaker 1: that James Brayshaw's son got engaged to an only fans creator. Well,
Speaker 1: she is scouted as the most sexually active woman in
Speaker 1: Australia and they ran with that. Yeah, and that's the theme.
Speaker 1: Headlines were disgusting about this woman. I looked at the
Speaker 1: comments section. It was appalling what they were saying about her.
Speaker 1: So I feel like it's almost feeling like we've done
Speaker 1: a full one eighty and we've gone back to what
Speaker 1: we were, which I don't think is a good place either.
Speaker 1: We won progression and acceptance of sex work as a career,
Speaker 1: but I think the way it has been put on
Speaker 1: a pedestal recently, I mean, and directed at children as
Speaker 1: being a job that maybe teenagers should aspire to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Mikayla Tester spoke about how she would not want
Speaker 1: her children following in her footsteps and doing sex work,
Speaker 1: whereas she played a clip of Anna Paul saying that
Speaker 1: she thinks it's this great profession and you know, people
Speaker 1: should look into it. Essentially, I think what's so fascinating
Speaker 1: about this whole story is that in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: it really shows you just how powerful social media is
Speaker 1: compared to the mainstream media. Well, it's like citizen journalism really,
Speaker 1: because Mikayla has managed to get her story out. She
Speaker 1: didn't have to go to a herald son and give
Speaker 1: it to them exclusively. And let's be real, I mean,
Speaker 1: how many gen Z's or millennials actually still read the newspapers.
Speaker 1: Her going straight to YouTube, she could air any claims
Speaker 1: that she wanted. She didn't actually have to stick to
Speaker 1: the legalities or you know, the journalist rules of what
Speaker 1: they can include and what they can't, and she can
Speaker 1: control the narratives. Yeah, and you can see how she
Speaker 1: has been able to tell her story on YouTube and
Speaker 1: it has gone straight to her audience. People are posting
Speaker 1: this all over TikTok. There are really no rules people
Speaker 1: of following when they're talking about this story as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, the only publication that wrote an overview of
Speaker 1: Mikayla Tester's podcast was Pedestrian, and I wonder if they
Speaker 1: had any illegal trouble because the article was removed for
Speaker 1: a few days and then it returned. I actually didn't
Speaker 1: see the original article, so I don't know if they
Speaker 1: had to tweak anything. But to me, it does really
Speaker 1: demonstrate the copycat nature of the media, where people no
Speaker 1: longer come up with story ideas, they just copy what's
Speaker 1: going around. So a month ago, when these initial claims
Speaker 1: first came out, you had every media publication writing about
Speaker 1: it because they're like, oh, just copywnews dot Com wrote,
Speaker 1: oh that's okay, I'll copy what Mama Mia wrote, and
Speaker 1: it was all just the same thing. But everyone was
Speaker 1: writing about it. But because not one big publication has
Speaker 1: come out and wanted to touch this, the other ones
Speaker 1: are like, oh okay, nothing's a copy up. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to go listen to that tour podcast because I
Speaker 1: have heard there are a number of media organizations who
Speaker 1: they have literally been given the directive from staff above,
Speaker 1: like do not print stories where we're gonna get sued.
Speaker 1: She don't have the budget. I mean, you can see
Speaker 1: how the media is slowly dying. There's not as much
Speaker 1: money in it, so people aren't wanting to stick their
Speaker 1: neck on the line and to print stories like this.
Speaker 1: We're too out for the polls because I personally don't
Speaker 1: know if they can return from this. I don't think
Speaker 1: that they can come back from this. I might be
Speaker 1: naive in saying that, but this is just one installment
Speaker 1: of a number of YouTube videos that Mikayla is planning
Speaker 1: and putting out against the polls, and I feel like
Speaker 1: she's still got some big things to drop. I just
Speaker 1: wish they'd put it in the movies. Like the eras
Speaker 1: too like you could go to gold class and sit
Speaker 1: and watch. The people were saying that it was almost
Speaker 1: too long. I saw a few people on TikTok joking,
Speaker 1: could someone just you know, make this The reason I
Speaker 1: think the media hasn't touched it because I think the
Speaker 1: journal is like, I'm not sitting down for two and
Speaker 1: a half hours to watch this. I think the only
Speaker 1: way Anna could potentially recover from this is if she
Speaker 1: adopts the strategy that Taylor Swift did when she was
Speaker 1: being called a snake by Kim Kardashian, and also what
Speaker 1: l Dharby did recently, because a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: all these old racist tweets and homophobic and fat phobic
Speaker 1: tweets that l Darby made when she was a teenager
Speaker 1: re emerged and she was absolutely canceled. So she just
Speaker 1: went offline for around eight months to a year and
Speaker 1: then returned, and she obviously had to paint the full
Speaker 1: story that she was a different person. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: I think that's the only way Anna can return. Surprisingly though,
Speaker 1: I thought she would have lost more followers on TikTok
Speaker 1: and Instagram because I had a look at social Blade
Speaker 1: and over the last thirty days she's lost one hundred
Speaker 1: and five thousand on Instagram and two hundred thousand on TikTok. Initially,
Speaker 1: when the scandal broke, she lost over a million followers
Speaker 1: on TikTok. Do you think people are sticking around to
Speaker 1: see if there's another terrible apology view? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: sort of like watching a car crash, isn't it. Like
Speaker 1: it's become this sport of almost disliking Anna paul and
Speaker 1: engaging in a negative way with her content. So it's
Speaker 1: still getting engagement, But I mean, you know, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I think it's right, kay. I
Speaker 1: think that they will have to disappear for a considerable
Speaker 1: amount of time. But how do you do that when
Speaker 1: you've got a business, Paulie Skin, you've got a business partner,
Speaker 1: You've probably got you know, promotions in the work that
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be doing. People Really awkward for them,
Speaker 1: isn't it. People have been saying on TikTok that they
Speaker 1: have seen a lot more paulyads recently, whether they've pumped
Speaker 1: money into advertising. She's been quite active on Paulie's TikTok,
Speaker 1: and people have been hypothesizing that they're really trying to
Speaker 1: test the market there. I would love to know the
Speaker 1: sale stats, Like can you just imagine the massive dive.
Speaker 1: One thing that she can't do is return to TikTok
Speaker 1: as if nothing has happened again, do you reckon at
Speaker 1: this point in time, at the Paul HQ, they're trying
Speaker 1: to find some incriminating evidence against Mikayla. You know the
Speaker 1: way that Mikayla had the I don't think that, but
Speaker 1: do you reckon? They are, Like I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: think from seeing how they've worked in the past, they're
Speaker 1: probably trying to find a video where they've got Mikayla
Speaker 1: saying something unto Walls. I keep back that way. Probably.
Speaker 1: I'm personally really interested to see when this next podcast
Speaker 1: drops because at the start of this episode, Mikayla, as
Speaker 1: we mentioned, said that she had not heard from the
Speaker 1: poll's legal team. But I do think that potentially now
Speaker 1: that may have changed. Well, that is where we're going
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