1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode, we want to issue 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: a trigger warning as we touch on issues around domestic 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: violence and sexual assault. Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert and we have a 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: big episode today. We are going to be unpacking the 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: Mikayla Tester and Anna and Addas Pol drama that has 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: exploded on YouTube over the weekend. So, Mikayla Tester has 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: shared some very disturbing insights into her relationship with the 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: Pol family. In a two and a half hour podcast 11 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: episode shared to YouTube, the Only Fans creator leveled some 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: very serious allegations against the TikTok stars. Before we get 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: into it, we want to reiterate that at this stage, 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: these are just allegations that are being made by Mikayla Tester. 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: The poles have not yet weighed in officially. Now, Kate, 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: can you get us up to speed with what actually 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: led to this podcast in the first place. So, last month, 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: Mikayla released an eight minute expose on Anna and Attis Paul, 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: which caused the Internet to explode. So for some background, 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: Mikayla dated at us for several years before they broke 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: up in twenty twenty two, and within the first weeks 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: of dating, Mikayla moved in with a Paul family and 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: really did become a family member. Well. She was particularly 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: close with Anna and they labeled each other best friends. Yeah, 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: they were all very close. So initially on TikTok, Mikayla 26 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: leveled serious allegations against Adis, which we have not been 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: able to report on for legal reasons. But those allegations 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: are all over TikTok and have not been censored, so 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: I think everyone is up to speed what those allegations are. 30 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: Pouls are yet to actually address any of those allegations. No, 31 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: when Anna put out her apology, she didn't touch on 32 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: anything to do with her brother. 33 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: No. 34 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, as for the claims against Anna, Mikayla accused 35 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: her of incentivizing her underage fan base to sign up 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: to her OnlyFans account with the lure of a cash giveaway, 37 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: lying about growing up poor, as well as calling a 38 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: fan fat and sweaty, and in a statement, Anna claimed 39 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: that she felt poor at the time and that she 40 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: called the fan sweaty but not fat. Now, Michayla started 41 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: the podcast by providing some disclaimers, and the first being 42 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: that she is not in trouble legally. She also confirmed 43 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: that the Paul's legal team have not contacted her, and 44 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: I felt that this was a really clever move by 45 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: Mikayla to strengthen her claims, as when it comes to defamation, 46 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: the truth is a defense. I thought that was really 47 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: interesting insight into how the Paul family work, because I 48 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: think everybody assumed looking in that they would have been 49 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: completely lawyered up, that they would have reached out to 50 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: Mikayla Tester. Yeah, it's not really a good look, is 51 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: it now. The second disclaimer that Michayla put out there 52 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: was that the podcast was not being monetized, and that's 53 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: despite the fact that she had been offered paid opportunities. 54 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: She was also offered to appear on a number of 55 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: other podcasts, but she made the decision not to monetize 56 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: it because she said she didn't want to profit off 57 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: trauma and abuse, which I thought was a really good move. Yeah, 58 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: it's a very clever strategic move because it makes her 59 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: claims more valid as well. Yeah, and I think she 60 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: was predicting that a lot of people would go on 61 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: TikTok and say, oh, she's full of shit because she's 62 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: making money off this podcast. I do think an alternative 63 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: move that she could have made was actually to monetize it, 64 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: but say that all of the money was going to 65 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: a woman's charity. Sometimes that opens up the door for 66 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: people to scrutinize father, like it's the wrong charity, or 67 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: she hasn't given the full amount, or you know, remember 68 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: when Sarah's Day raised that money for bushfire victims, And 69 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: even though she did donate all of the money, everyone's 70 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: like she didn't do it soon enough. Yeah, well, sadly, 71 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: the final disclaimer came in the form of Michayla saying 72 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: that she's not the perfect victim. So Mikayla gave some 73 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: insight into her childhood. She explained that she grew up 74 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: in an abusive environment with a teen mum who was 75 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: a drug addict and also a stepdad who abused her. 76 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: What I found fascinating is she spoke about how she 77 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: was one of seven kids and that she grew up 78 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: quote dirt broke and wouldn't have food because her mum 79 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: spent money on drugs. And it just made me think 80 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: about how annoyed she must have been sitting there. Well, 81 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: Anna Paul was trying to perpetuate this image that she 82 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: grew up paor when that was actually Michayla's reality. It 83 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: really it seems like Anna was cosplaying Mikayla's life and 84 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: using her personal stories to build this narrative about herself 85 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: that would garner sympathy and interest. He was so sad 86 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 1: because Michayla also touched on the fact that she finally 87 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: met her biological father when she was fourteen, but sadly, 88 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: he died of cancer when she was eighteen. Yeah, that 89 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: really broke my heart because it felt like she was 90 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: finally in a good place with her dad and then 91 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: that happened. I do think it was really clever of 92 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: the way that she prefaced her childhood at the start 93 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: of this video so listeners could actually make sense of 94 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: her actions. And it did upset me that she kept 95 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: having to apologize and say that she blamed herself, because 96 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: it's clear throughout her life she has been a victim 97 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: of abuse. I was just in aura of how she 98 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: was able to speak so confidently in this video and 99 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: how likable she came across. Sadly, I think if she 100 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: hadn't made all of these disclaimers, though, there would be 101 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: a section of people who would say that she's just 102 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: as bad for perhaps being a bystander in this because 103 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: I mean, we will go further into it, but she 104 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: played unseen videos, but you can hear her voice in 105 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: the background having directions. It was quite interesting because she 106 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: also said that she thinks that she suffered from Stockholm 107 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: syndrome during this experience with the polls, which we will 108 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: further dive into. But yeah, there were a lot of 109 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: disclaimers which were very important. I think I do want 110 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: to applaud Makayla because it would have been hard opening 111 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: up about her personal life, but it was really clever 112 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: because it made you empathize with her and understand what 113 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: triggered her to call out Anna on claiming that she 114 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: grew up poor. And I really enjoyed the receipts that 115 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: Mikayla provided in this YouTube to prove that Anna did 116 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: not grow up poor. Not only did she label Anna's 117 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: claims as a sham, a light, and an exaggeration, she 118 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: shared countless photos to back up her claims. I think 119 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: the most damning ones were the ones of Anna and 120 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: Adis as kids living in the waterfront home, and then 121 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: later on as teenagers showing that they were in that 122 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: same home. I just loved her pointing out she's like 123 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: brand name, brand name. They always had Starbucks, they were 124 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: out for cafes with their mom. My favorite one was 125 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: when she was saying, oh, Anna thinks that she grew 126 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: up poor because her first carve a hold an aster. 127 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: And then Mikayla ended up bringing up a Google Maps 128 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: photo from back in the day showing the family van 129 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: that she used to have to drive to school in 130 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: which looked like I had was broken down, like it's 131 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: seen better days. Oh that made me laugh. The crazy 132 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: thing is all of these photos were readily available on 133 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: Anna's own Instagram account, Like why did she not delete them? 134 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: And how come it's only until now that these have 135 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: been brought up. Look after this whole ordeal, you think 136 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: you'd go and do a bit of a delete on Instagram? 137 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: Would Yeah? But is it that she's so delusional that 138 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: she thinks that that was growing up Paul? She is 139 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: she trying to claim that a lot of the designer 140 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: goods were fake? Because didn't you say that a dead 141 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: Hans used to go to garage sales or sell fake 142 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: style and that she sat on first class but she 143 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: was only there for a second or something. I mean, 144 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: maybe she doesn't think Michael Kore's is as good as 145 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: a Rolex. You have you guys seen those tiktoks popping 146 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: up and it's a guy who's imitating Addis Paul his 147 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: videos from twenty twenty two, and it's like, I am 148 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: so rich, fuck you all like this and how rich 149 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: I am? This is my twenty one million dollar watch. 150 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: I think what was so apparent during this video is 151 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: how clever Mikayla test is because she understands Anna's fan 152 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: base and what an absolute ace it would be if 153 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: she had the backing of Anna's beloved ex, Glenn Thompson. 154 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: And not only did Mikayla reveal that Glenn helped her 155 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: during her personal experiences of abuse, but that he also 156 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: supports her. Now. He sounded so lovely, like you just 157 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: got a vibe that he was that one person that 158 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: Michayla could have actually confided in during that experience. And 159 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: she was really respectful of Glenn, which I think was 160 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: another strategic move because she knew if she started outing 161 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: all of her text messages between Glenn. Then that would 162 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: not be seen favorably with our fan. It would also 163 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: get Glenn offside as well, and that lend to more 164 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: drama where maybe he could have provided receipts about Mikayla Well. 165 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: She ended up sharing screenshots from a conversation with him 166 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: that supported her claims. Mikayla also alleged that Anna constantly 167 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: fat shamed Glenn. 168 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 2: This is what she said Anna behind Glenn's back to 169 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: me and my entire friend group that we were we had, 170 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: you know, Anna, Me, Lilith, Chloe Bailey. She would call 171 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: Glenn fat on the daily. She'd call him fat every 172 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: single day. She'd fat shame him. She'd fat shame him 173 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: with her mom. It was mostly like attis Anna Mama. 174 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: This was the times that I recall in person her 175 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: saying this. She'd be talking shit in German about Glenn. 176 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 2: Okay, I heard it, and I also heard her just 177 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: talking shit to me and my friend group in English 178 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 2: as well about Glenn being fat. It was very fucked 179 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: to witness, and I'm swear to God no word of lie. 180 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: She was saying this about Glenn and Glenn's family for years, 181 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: like one time she came back from a trip in 182 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: Balley with Glenn and all of Glenn's family members, and 183 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: she had made a really fucked up comment about how 184 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: they wear shower curtains to the day clubs and Anna's 185 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: in a Bikinian it feels so awkward because they're so fat, 186 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: and she literally thinks that his family's jealous of her. 187 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: It was just really bizarre, like she'd be. 188 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: It was just like. 189 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: An unspoken thing that attis her and Mama hated Glenn's family, 190 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: and it was always like a them verse, like their 191 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: family verse. 192 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: Glenn's family sort of thing. Like it was just really 193 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: fucking weird. Michayla's obviously putting this out there because she's 194 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: trying to back up her original claim saying that Anna 195 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: called a fan fat, so she's trying to demonstrate that 196 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: this is a pattern of behavior and language that she 197 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: used quite comfortably. It's particularly awkward because for a number 198 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: of years Anna Paul portrayed herself as this body positivity advocate, 199 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: and the fact that Glenn lost so much weight after 200 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: he and Anna broke up, it really makes you think, 201 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: what about when Michaela said that the whole family had 202 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: to take part in fasting as this plot to make 203 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: Glenn thinner without making him feel bad, and then Michaela 204 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,599 Speaker 1: said that she ended up getting this eating disorderfied. I 205 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: also thought it was interesting when Michayla said that Anna 206 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: would lose it if they went to Starbucks and apparently 207 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: Glenn would order a particularly sugary drink and she'd be like, no, 208 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: he has to have this one. Like it just painted 209 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: such a picture. And it's these little details that just 210 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: make her story seem so believable because she just couldn't 211 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: make this shit up. Yeah, I can't stop thinking about 212 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: the fact that Anna continued to push this narrative that 213 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: her and Glenn were still best friends after the breakup 214 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: and their families would spend Christmas together. Also Anna giving 215 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: Glenn the car, Well, well, we spoke about this on 216 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: the podcast when they were pretending to be friends, and 217 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: I said, this is bullshit. At the time, no one 218 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: is that close to there. It's all very sas now, 219 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: throughout this whole saga, we have had to be really 220 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: careful on how we report on the allegations. Mikayla has 221 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: leveled it addis Paul as they are of a serious nature. 222 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: After viewing the public court documents that appeared in Michayla's video. Though, 223 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: what we can legally say is it appears Adis was 224 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: sentenced in the district Court on the eighth of May 225 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. It is unclear the terms of the sentencing. 226 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: To be transparent, we have applied to the court to 227 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: view the sentencing document, but at the time of the recording, 228 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: we have not received it. It takes seven business days, 229 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: so we are hoping to receive the documents soon. What 230 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: has caused some confusion though, is that Adis appeared in 231 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: court under his real name, which is actually Johanna's Theodore Paul. 232 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: What does asas come from there? And that's what I'm 233 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: so confused about. Is it because it's Johannes Attis, Like 234 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: I don't understand when did he change his name and why? 235 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: It's very yes, And a lot of people have been 236 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: wondering why the media haven't really been on this story. 237 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: And I wonder if the media were searching under Addis Paul. 238 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: And I love though that michaela went as far as 239 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: to show Addis's Medicare card as proof that this actually 240 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: was his REALCAU. There would be so many people being like, 241 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: that's not even his name, someone else. We will go 242 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: into it in more detail a little bit later, but 243 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: his name Johanna's Paul actually appeared on the season desist 244 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: letter that he sent his ex girlfriend. Interestingly, the timing 245 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: of Addis's appearance at the sentencing hearing coincided with him 246 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: leaving social media. So in late April twenty twenty three, 247 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: Addis vanished from social media after uploading a very cryptic 248 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: video of himself walking around at nights smoking. He had 249 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: also unfollowed all of his friends on Instagram, and he 250 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: shared a statement at the time saying social media had 251 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: destroyed his mental health and the Internet was treating him 252 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: like an evil villain. A week later, he then appeared 253 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: in front of the district court for sentencing. So it's 254 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: very interesting timing, isn't it. I think the most chilling 255 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: allegations came at the hour mark of this podcast. So 256 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: Michayla shared her personal experiences with manipulation and abuse within 257 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: the Paul family. She also detailed disturbing accounts of alleged 258 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: domestic and emotional abuse and cohersion. So Michayla spoke in 259 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: depth about an incident at the Paul family house, and 260 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: this is where Adis allegedly held a knife to his 261 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: throat and threatened to harm himself if she left. I 262 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: was actually watching this alone late at night, Reese had 263 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: gone to bed, and I actually got quite scared because 264 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: the way she told the story, it felt like you 265 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: were there and watching her all unfold, or she was 266 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: sort of re enacting what happened almost. Mickayla also alleged 267 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: that she was financially abused by Adas Paul So. According 268 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: to Michayla, he was in the process of starting up 269 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: an OnlyFans management company when she first started dating him, 270 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: and the plan was for him to met Anna's friends 271 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: on the platform. Mikayla claims that Anna and Adas persuaded 272 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: her to let Addis manage her OnlyFans and it wasn't 273 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: long until Attis was taking a fifty percent cut for 274 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: doing minimal work. And when I say minimal work, according 275 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: to Michayla, the extent of his management was telling her 276 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: what color lingerie to wear to put her into perspective. 277 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: When she was nineteen, she was earning one hundred and 278 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars a month from OnlyFans, so Addis Paul 279 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: was taking sixty thousand dollars a month. She also claimed 280 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: that when she threatened to cut Adis off from the earnings, 281 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: he would threaten suicide and the situation would turn abusive. 282 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: So in one instance, Mikayla alleges, while driving with Addas, 283 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: he slammed on the brakes of his car, causing her 284 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: to hit her head on the windshield. Mikayla did preface 285 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: during this part of the YouTube that when she first 286 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: met Adis, she had a far bigger profile than him, 287 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: because I think there is this narrative online that she 288 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: used the polls and she moved in with them to 289 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: grow her own career. But her career was doing really well. 290 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: She already had a manager. She didn't need another manner. Yeah, 291 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: And what I found particularly difficult to listen to was 292 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: when Mikayla spoke about how Anna and Adas's mother, who 293 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: she referred to as Mama, were allegedly complicit in all 294 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: of this. So Mikayla claims that Anna and Mama enabled 295 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: Addis's behavior. She said that Anna was always defensive of 296 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: Adas and excused his behavior despite witnessing this alleged abuse. 297 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: According to Mikayla. Anna would emotionally blackmail her to stay 298 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: with Adas, saying things like you're the one that can 299 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: get through to him, no joke, the things you say 300 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: to him could save his life. I saw this TikTok 301 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: pop up focusing on the poll's mom and saying, what 302 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: was mama thinking? In the sense of obviously all of 303 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: the people involved in the story apart from her were 304 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: very young and like there was actually an adult in 305 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: this situation who was just watching this all happen allegedly, Yeah, 306 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: and Anna's involvement, like they were talking about how she 307 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: was allegedly recruiting her friends to date Addis and encouraging 308 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: Michayla today Addis so that they could be sisters. Like 309 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: it was all very odd and was very clear that 310 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: they wanted to recruit as many women as possible to 311 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: potentially join this onlyfan management team, because clearly it was 312 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: a way to make huge money during the pandem. It 313 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: was a way for Adas to make money because his 314 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: sister is there making a lot of money off OnlyFans, 315 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,239 Speaker 1: and people weren't really interested at the time in subscribing 316 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: to a guy doing OnlyFans, and what really shoped listeners 317 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: was when Mikayla revealed just how close Addis and Anna's 318 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: relationship was in regard to OnlyFans. So she said that 319 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: there was this weird dynamic between Anna, Addis and Mama, 320 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: and in her opinion, it seemed like they were all 321 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: co dependent because allegedly they wouldn't spend more than a 322 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: couple of hours apart. It was actually really difficult for 323 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: Michayla to spend alone time with Adis without his mum 324 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: or sister there. They were, in fact, so close that 325 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: Mikayla alleged that Addis shot Anna's only fans content that 326 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: was absolutely fucked and particularly because she backed it up 327 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: by showing one of the photos that Adas took and 328 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: saying that he actually also filmed content where Mikayla and 329 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: Anna did collaborations where presumably they performed sex act. It 330 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: was whatever. It was one of those moments where I 331 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: was like, I don't think the Paul family can come 332 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: back to this, especially becaus has been so many rumors 333 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: about how close Anna and Ashes. Well, there's this video 334 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: floating around on TikTok that Anna uploaded last year that 335 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: has not aged well in light of Mikayla's allegations, Let's 336 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: play it. 337 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: My brother is my soulmate, and we are so close 338 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: that in high school there was a roomor going around 339 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: that apparently we sleep together, because I think teenagers they 340 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: see a girl and the boy close and they're like, 341 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 3: oh my god, sex right the guys, what's going on? 342 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: And I'm twenty five and he's twenty three, and we 343 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 3: are so inseparable. 344 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: We've reached us mind. 345 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: He's literally my twin. 346 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: Most brothers would refuse to take a nice photo of 347 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: their sister, let alone their sister undressing or in these 348 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: positions like, it's just wild to me that this allegedly 349 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: went on. Now. Towards the end of the podcast, Mikayla 350 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: alleged that in twenty twenty one, Adas Paul tried to 351 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: silence his ex girlfriend. We have decided not to name 352 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: her as she was underage at the time. For the 353 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: purpose of the podcast, we will call her Jane. We 354 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: actually did cover this story back in twenty twenty one, 355 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: and finally it was our introduction to the Poll family. 356 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: I actually listened back to the episode to prep for today, 357 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: and I was so embarrassed. It definitely was our first 358 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: introduction to the polls because sometimes we referred to him 359 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: as Addis and other times we referred to him as artists, 360 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god. After that episode dropped, 361 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: we actually received a message from Mikayla tester threatening to 362 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: sue us, which shows what a full circle moment this 363 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: all is. Yeah, it really does. Now. This whole saga 364 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: started back in twenty twenty one, as we said earlier, 365 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: when a then sixteen year old Jane made a TikTok 366 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: about dating an older man who she said took advantage 367 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: of her. Jane didn't refer to the man by name, 368 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: but it led people from their hometown to speculate in 369 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: the comments that she was talking about. At us. To 370 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,239 Speaker 1: provide some context, Jane alleges that she was thirteen when 371 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: she dated a then sixteen year old Attis. Now off 372 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: the back of this TikTok, Mikayla alleges that Addis created 373 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: a fake email address and message Jane, pretending to be 374 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: a brand manager, all in a bid to obtain her 375 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: address to send a cease and desist letter. Mikayla also 376 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: claimed that Addis wrote the letter himself, and upon receiving 377 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: the letter Jane immediately shared it to her Instagram story 378 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: and commented how poorly it was written. She was right, 379 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: it was very clear that this was not written by 380 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: a lawyer. What is with all these influences pretending to 381 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: be lawyers, Like, surely they have enough money to just 382 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: seek legal help us. 383 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 4: Well. 384 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: The letter stated that if Jane didn't immediately stop making 385 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: false and slanderous claims against Adis Paul, that a defamation 386 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: lawsuit would commence against her. Interestingly, as I said earlier, 387 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: the letter referred to Adis by his real name, Johannes Paul. 388 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: One line that really stood out to me in the 389 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: letter was you must not make false accusations of being 390 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: a victim and accusing Johanna's Paul of pedophilia grooming as 391 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: if it was not consentual. Now, in Queensland, the age 392 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: of consent for having sex is sixteen, so if you 393 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: are under sixteen, you legally cannot give consent. So for 394 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: this legal letter to say, oh, you can't call me 395 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: a pedophile as if it wasn't consentsual, well, you actually 396 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: can't give consent at the age of sixteen, so it 397 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: is a criminal offense to engage in sexual activity with 398 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: a child under sixteen. Queensland laws apply to a range 399 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: of sexual activity, including sexual penetration and touching a person 400 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: in a sexual way, for example, on their breast. Now, 401 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: there was a picture of Attis and Jane when she 402 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: was in year eight when she was thirteen, and he 403 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: was in year twelve when he was sixteen, and he's 404 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: groping her breast. The photo was taken by Anna Paul. 405 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: This went viral at the time on social meid. It's 406 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: even more proof that this letter wasn't written by a lawyer. 407 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: The fact that this person who wrote this letter clearly 408 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: doesn't understand Queensland's laws for one, and the wording is 409 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: so off. Yeah, I mean a lawyer would never make 410 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: a comment using consent as a defense when it's not 411 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: a legal defense. In Queensland. The only defense that can 412 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: be considered is if the child is over the age 413 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: of twelve and the accused believed on reasonable grounds that 414 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: the child was above the age of sixteen. In a 415 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: case of Attis and Jane, the pair went to school together, 416 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: so it's likely that Adas was aware of how old 417 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: she was at the time. It's quite ironic because their 418 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: attempts to silence. Jane actually did the opposite, and the 419 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: story completely blew up, and that cease and desist letter 420 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: went viral, and Michayla said it caused the Poles to 421 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: scramble and engage real lawyers. So they also released a 422 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: statement on YouTube defending themselves and slamming Jane. And it 423 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: was at this point in Michayla's YouTube video that she 424 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: held the smoking gun because she actually had the unedited 425 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: version of the poll's video statement. My jaw was on 426 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: the floor when she played some of these unedited parts. 427 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: This was the first scene from the unedited video of Attis. 428 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: Poul For the most part of the relationship, I barely 429 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: thought she was high. 430 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: Just not sommed this guy off. This is apparently an 431 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: example of his sense of humor. And Michayela was saying 432 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: that he thought it'd be hilarious to say something that 433 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: he'd get canceled for at the start of the video. 434 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: Obviously knew it wouldn't go to air. It has gone 435 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: to air now, in the fact that these allegations were 436 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: so serious and he thought, oh, I'm going to make 437 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: this joke at the start of it. Also, do they 438 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: not realize things like that get leaked all the time 439 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: they have. And it's interesting because I went to go 440 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: watch the original video and Anna Paul's YouTube channel is 441 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: no longer available to view. I would have got that 442 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: shit down a meeting if I was there when she 443 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: first came out with the allegations on Tiktomah. Throughout this 444 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: podcast episode, Mikayla was really trying to paint a picture 445 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: of how much Anna protected Addas, and these snippets from 446 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: the unedited statement really demonstrated it. She really did the 447 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: dirty work for her brother, and it's so disturbing that 448 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: it appears that she knew the truth and knowingly covered 449 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: it up for Adis Now. In the statement that went live, 450 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: Anna denied that she and Adas had any knowledge of 451 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: the cease and desist letter and that it was the 452 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: Pool team who sent it to Jane. In the unedited 453 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: version of the video, though, it showed that this was 454 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: not the case at all. 455 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 4: We want to say that we can like a little 456 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 4: bit more. We convinced that lawyer, like we we thought 457 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 4: a video. We would yeah, we pitched that idea to 458 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 4: our lawyer. We would prefer to make a video. So 459 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 4: everyone still has a chance to still give a chance 460 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 4: for because that's what we're doing. We make videos. We commenced. 461 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 4: Please let us try to resolve this with our selves 462 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 4: with a video before a human. So so we pitched 463 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 4: her a lawyer that we want to make this right 464 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 4: with a video rather than legal action. 465 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: I think Mikayla's commentary really summed it up. The pool's team. 466 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: We didn't have a team. We never had a pool team. 467 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: The team didn't exist. 468 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: I just was sitting on his laptop making the fake email, 469 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: sending it off, sending it to our address. 470 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: He was he was doing all of it all right. Well, 471 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: I could think about when I was watching This unedited 472 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: version is Anna's most recent statement that went viral regarding 473 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: Mikayla's original claims. Imagine getting the unedited version of that. 474 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: It shocks me that someone as famous and rich as 475 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: Anna Paul doesn't have her own team. I mean, it's 476 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: pretty clear that the family sat around like they had 477 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: previously done to try and work out this awful apology. 478 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: But just that she doesn't have a team. She's watching 479 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: that video. She does not habitat. She runs a business 480 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: with Sam Maignan as a PR company. I think Sam 481 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. I think they did. 482 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that he did, and he probably trying 483 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: to distance himself from all of this as it's blowing up. 484 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, surely they would have spoken 485 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: to someone and got some advice. Do you think any 486 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: expert would have given them that advice for her to 487 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: say what she did in the TikTok? I think that 488 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: maybe they've been given advice and they're too arrogant to 489 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: take it on board. No, no, but they I think 490 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: that they're so caught up in thinking that everyone loves 491 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: them and it's just going to blow over and everyone's 492 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: not going to believe Michayla. I think it gives more 493 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: of an insight into the fact that maybe this family 494 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: is as powerful as everybody thinks they are. I would 495 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: put a lot of money on the fact that they 496 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: would be now sitting with a crisis pr management team 497 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: working out their next steps from here. Now. The levels 498 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: at the polls allegedly went to silence a sixteen year 499 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: oldgol were very disturbing. Mikayla claims that Adas purchase bots 500 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: and sent them to Jane's account for two reasons. So 501 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: the first was to try and get Jane's Instagram account 502 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: taken down by Instagram so she would stop posting receipts 503 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: about him. The second was to try and paint Jane 504 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: as a fame hungry cloud chaser. So Jane had sixty 505 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: thousand followers at the time after sharing the season desist letter. 506 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: And this part of the strategy worked, particularly after Anna 507 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: said this in her statement on YouTube. 508 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 4: And even this morning she was buying life and followers 509 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 4: on her Instagram, which this is irrelevant, pet shit, right, 510 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 4: But when it comes into the story of her doing 511 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 4: this for wrong intentions, it makes complete sense. You know, 512 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 4: having a. 513 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: Large she's not doing she does. She didn't buy followers. 514 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 4: To get her voice out there, because followers they're not 515 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 4: real people, right. She just wants a bigger number next 516 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 4: to her name, which is why we think this whole 517 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 4: thing started in the first place. As old friends have said, 518 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 4: she's jealous of the fame that Mikaylibert. A lot of 519 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 4: petty stuff, and it's just unfortunate that this very petty 520 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 4: person and very petty situation has blown. 521 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: Up to such a large extent. It's just completely fucked 522 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: the manipulation. 523 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 4: You know, she's buying followers now she has now wanted 524 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 4: to come out with her own business endeavor. Literally one 525 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 4: day after this whole happened, she's now saying that she 526 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 4: wants to come out with her own business endeavor, literally. 527 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: Just after this. I'll take my hat off to them. 528 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: It was definitely a very clever and strategic move to 529 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: do that and to plant a seed of doubt in 530 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: people's mind as to what her intentions were. Extremely unethical, oh, 531 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: completely completely unethical, the wrong thing to do. But I 532 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: was so fascinated by this concept of bot war was 533 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: because mc kayla was saying that she's had people send 534 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: her bots. She sent bots to other people. It seems 535 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: like some of the influencers due to discredit people. Yeah, 536 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: it seemed just like this common tactic and it was 537 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: more like, Oh, it's really annoying because I've got to 538 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: remove all of these bots. It does blow my mind 539 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: that everyone was okay at the time with Anna sending 540 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: millions of her followers to bully a sixteen year old girl, Like, yeah, 541 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: her tone about her even in there were snippets where 542 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: she was like this little girl, and then she'd have 543 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: to rephrase and be like a sixteen year old girl 544 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: it's ironic that they're calling her a little girl, and 545 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: also quite disturbing considering what she's accused. Otis all, yeah, exactly, 546 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 1: Well it's like your brother was dating this little girl. Yeah, well, 547 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: things couldn't get any worse, Mikayla added this unedited snippet. 548 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 4: So we decided to drive to her house to tell 549 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 4: her to please stop spreading our address. And when I 550 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 4: say meat, and when I say we, I mean myself 551 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 4: at us, Glenn, Glenn's older sister, Glenn's sister, and their 552 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 4: family friends. So it was five of us. It was 553 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 4: five adults going to confront a fourteen year old. And 554 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 4: I fully understand how that is just inappropriate being older. Now, 555 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 4: that is something that we shouldn't have done. Like I 556 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 4: realized that we did it to intimidate her, but comment, 557 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 4: she's fourteen. But okay, because we have to take accountability, 558 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 4: I'm going to say we didn't talk. We were just there. 559 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 4: We were just there to support. 560 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean the fact that they thought that that was 561 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: okay to put out. Oh, there were five adults there 562 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: to intimidate a fourteen year old, and that addis is like, 563 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: probably shouldn't say that. I mean, what is going on, 564 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: why is Anna putting her career on the line to 565 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: protect her brother so much? Well, again, it sounded like 566 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: the whole house revolved around Addis Paul. It made me 567 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: feel so sick hearing Addis coaching Anna what to say. 568 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: It's like, You've got a sister here whose career is 569 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: on the line because of something that you've done. It's 570 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: important to know that Addis Paul and Mikayla Tester also 571 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: featured in this video, but it was really Anna taking 572 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: the rap for it because she has the biggest profile. 573 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: I suppose she had the most to protect in this situation, 574 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: but it's also a pretty strategic move to use her 575 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: because she is so likable. Yeah, with her coming up 576 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: and defending him, people are like, okay, it must be true. 577 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: And Nakayla touched on the fact that she felt really 578 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: guilty for her part in this video. But we've got 579 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: to remember soundly she has being completely gaslit about this 580 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: whole situation. She said she had Stockholm syndrome, and this 581 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: is something that people with Stockholm syndrome do, they port 582 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: their abuses. We've got to remember as well that this 583 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: situation with Jane took place several years before Mikayla even 584 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: came onto the scene, so she was just believing what 585 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: the polls were telling her and obviously wanted to think 586 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: the best of her partner now. Despite the attempts to 587 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: intimidate and silence Jane, to her credit, the sixteen year 588 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: old did not back down, so she released a statement 589 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: to her Instagram that read, to anyone normalizing thirteen year 590 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: olds dating sixteen year olds, plus, I hope you give 591 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: the same energy to your youngest siblings if she finds 592 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: herself in that position. Better yet, your future child. Dating 593 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: is a time in my life that has been very 594 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: detrimental to my mental health and self esteem. Post healing 595 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: from the breakup, it took me well over a year 596 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: to fully recover from all the built up manipulation, lies, 597 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: and gas lighting I'd been fed and susceptible to. I 598 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: believed I was mature at the time, but I had 599 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: to deal with the emotional aspect for longer than the relationship. 600 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: He told me how to act, what music I should 601 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: listen to, what to wear and post so I don't 602 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: come off too young, and when people say I would 603 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: look older, that would give him a lot of satisfaction. 604 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: But my self image was me trying to be several 605 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: years older and more mature than I was, engaging in 606 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: underage drinking, drugs, sex, etc. With Addis Paul, I lost 607 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: a lot of my true identity, young and innocent throughout this, 608 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: and mental challenges faced being with the presence of their 609 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: family and the pedestal they put themselves on. Years after 610 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: healing from this, I felt no need to speak on 611 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: this as I've grown, But once again I chose to 612 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: be silent, And now I choose to voice against your 613 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: pathetic attempt to silence me and save your career when 614 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't coming through it in the first place. Taking 615 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: accountability would serve you better than threatening to destroy me 616 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: in court. But that's the morally correct thing to do. 617 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: But your morals clearly aren't in check. The truth is 618 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: spilling out. But hey, at least I'm not silenced. Speak up, 619 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: you were heard. What a powerful statement. I think. The 620 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: thing that's most shocking is all of these allegations seem 621 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: to just disappear. Everyone seemed to forget about them. Anna 622 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: and Addis's career exploded. Remember we spoke about this metamorphosis 623 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: of Addis Paul and he turned into this guy who 624 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: liked painting and horse riding, and he seemed really sweet. 625 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: He was a background character to Anna's videos because he 626 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: stopped posting on social media and it was actually good 627 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: for him to only be the background character. And you 628 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: talk about Anna's success her meet and greet shut down 629 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: the CBD in Perth, and when you look back at 630 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: those photos, you see Adis there around a bunch of 631 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: underage girls signing people's heads. As MICHAELA said, no one 632 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: had a problem with him being around all these young girl. 633 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: It would have been so tough for Jane sitting back 634 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: and watching this happen, because you've put your heart and 635 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: soul out there, You've explained what's gone on, and you 636 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: probably would feel like no one believed you. Yeah, And 637 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: when you look back at what went down in twenty 638 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: twenty one between Jane and Addis, you just wonder how 639 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: the polls were even able to reach that level of success. 640 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of just shows as a society 641 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: and also media wise, that people were just willing to 642 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: overlook the claims. 643 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 3: Well. 644 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: I think it's because the mainstream media only really picked 645 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: up on who Anna Paul was when she shut down 646 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: Perth CBD and a lot of the time media don't 647 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: really want to put the effort into these influencer stories 648 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: because I think it's just some trashy thing. I mean, 649 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: we've seen that play out recently last month, when Mikayla 650 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: Tester started making all these allegations, the media were all 651 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: over it. But now when allegations and very serious ones 652 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: have been leveled at an influencer who is a male, 653 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: no one can be stuff to put in the groundwork 654 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: to uncover what is going on. From having worked in 655 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: the media, I think think there are a few reasons 656 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: why the mainstream media is not picking up in this story, 657 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it has to do 658 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: with the fact of who these people are. I think 659 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: that if you look into newspaper journalism, for example, there 660 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: are a lot of older journalists who might not understand 661 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: what a big pop culture story this is, but they 662 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: understood it a month ago, how big this was. I mean, 663 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: that's why all the publications were picking up on that. 664 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: But they're picking up on stuff that they can easily 665 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: report on. They're not wanting to do the groundwork in 666 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: order to actually release this story in the newspaper. There's 667 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: a lot of legalities around it. I mean, you can't 668 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: just come out and say this person did X, Y 669 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: and Z. And there was a really interesting documentary that 670 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: was released a few years ago on Belle Gibson and 671 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: it showed the efforts of one reporter to expose her, 672 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: and it also spoke about how the media actually have 673 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: this huge responsibility when they're promoting people like Bell Gibson 674 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: and Anna Paul and Addis Paul, and how often journalists 675 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: don't actually look into the full story. Like with Bell Gibson, 676 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: for example, her friend had been trying to expose her 677 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: for months. She'd been emailing numerous journalists about this story, 678 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of people just said to well, well, 679 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: these are really serious allegations, like we need proof, and 680 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: often the onus of proof is placed on the source 681 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: of the story. People aren't like journalism is different now. 682 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: They don't have the time to spend looking into the stories, 683 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: putting it on a plate, you know what I mean, 684 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: she's providing all of the receipts necessary, so some of 685 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: the receipts, but some of the receipts wouldn't actually hold 686 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: up in the journalism world, Like you can't just say, oh, 687 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: here's a message of me dming my friend about it. 688 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: I also think that it comes down to journalists being 689 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: scared and also media organizations not having the money and 690 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: power that they once had. They're coming up against people 691 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: who also they know have money, so I think that's 692 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: why they're a bit reluctant to do it. Let's be realistic. 693 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: This is a case of a story is more interesting 694 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: to the Australian media if it is a catfight between 695 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: two of Australia's biggest only fans. Does they don't want 696 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: to report on a guy who has been accused of 697 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: domestic violence even though violence against women is such a 698 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: serious issue in the country. It's clear. I mean, look 699 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: at the Australian media landscape. We've got Ben Cousins on 700 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars and then promoted into the AFL 701 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: footy commentating team. The media do not care about domestic 702 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: violence against women. I mean two minds about it. Because 703 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: I also think that sections of the media could potentially 704 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: be discrediting Mikayla's claims due to what her profession is, 705 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: which is so unfair as she's a sex worker. Maybe 706 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: they think that the mainstream media or public aren't going 707 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: to take her claim seriously. See, I actually think Anna 708 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: being a sex worker and being Australia's most famous sex 709 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: worker actually went in her favor in terms of people 710 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: not wanting to question her, because I mean I actually 711 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: predicted at the start of this year that she would 712 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: be canceled because I saw the momentum of how people 713 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: reacted to Bonnie Blue when she came to Australia, and 714 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: I think we went through this phase of very sex positivity, 715 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: very supportive of sex workers, and it got to the 716 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: point people didn't want to say anything that went against 717 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: her because they would be seen to be being derogatory. Yeah, 718 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: at the time, everyone felt a bit too awkward or 719 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: like they weren't allowed to question why a sex worker 720 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: was becoming a pin up for school age children and 721 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: a role model, and that it was inappropriate. I agree, 722 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: Kate though, with your comments about the momentum changing, because 723 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: even this week I saw that it was highly publicized 724 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: that James Brayshaw's son got engaged to an only fans creator. Well, 725 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: she is scouted as the most sexually active woman in 726 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: Australia and they ran with that. Yeah, and that's the theme. 727 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: Headlines were disgusting about this woman. I looked at the 728 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: comments section. It was appalling what they were saying about her. 729 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: So I feel like it's almost feeling like we've done 730 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: a full one eighty and we've gone back to what 731 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: we were, which I don't think is a good place either. 732 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: We won progression and acceptance of sex work as a career, 733 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: but I think the way it has been put on 734 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: a pedestal recently, I mean, and directed at children as 735 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: being a job that maybe teenagers should aspire to. Yeah, 736 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: because Mikayla Tester spoke about how she would not want 737 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: her children following in her footsteps and doing sex work, 738 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: whereas she played a clip of Anna Paul saying that 739 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,959 Speaker 1: she thinks it's this great profession and you know, people 740 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: should look into it. Essentially, I think what's so fascinating 741 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: about this whole story is that in twenty twenty five, 742 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: it really shows you just how powerful social media is 743 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: compared to the mainstream media. Well, it's like citizen journalism really, 744 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: because Mikayla has managed to get her story out. She 745 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: didn't have to go to a herald son and give 746 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: it to them exclusively. And let's be real, I mean, 747 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: how many gen Z's or millennials actually still read the newspapers. 748 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: Her going straight to YouTube, she could air any claims 749 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: that she wanted. She didn't actually have to stick to 750 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: the legalities or you know, the journalist rules of what 751 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: they can include and what they can't, and she can 752 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: control the narratives. Yeah, and you can see how she 753 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: has been able to tell her story on YouTube and 754 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: it has gone straight to her audience. People are posting 755 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: this all over TikTok. There are really no rules people 756 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 1: of following when they're talking about this story as well. Yeah, 757 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: I mean, the only publication that wrote an overview of 758 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: Mikayla Tester's podcast was Pedestrian, and I wonder if they 759 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: had any illegal trouble because the article was removed for 760 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: a few days and then it returned. I actually didn't 761 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: see the original article, so I don't know if they 762 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: had to tweak anything. But to me, it does really 763 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: demonstrate the copycat nature of the media, where people no 764 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: longer come up with story ideas, they just copy what's 765 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: going around. So a month ago, when these initial claims 766 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: first came out, you had every media publication writing about 767 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: it because they're like, oh, just copywnews dot Com wrote, 768 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: oh that's okay, I'll copy what Mama Mia wrote, and 769 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: it was all just the same thing. But everyone was 770 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: writing about it. But because not one big publication has 771 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 1: come out and wanted to touch this, the other ones 772 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: are like, oh okay, nothing's a copy up. I'm gonna 773 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: have to go listen to that tour podcast because I 774 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: have heard there are a number of media organizations who 775 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: they have literally been given the directive from staff above, 776 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: like do not print stories where we're gonna get sued. 777 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: She don't have the budget. I mean, you can see 778 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: how the media is slowly dying. There's not as much 779 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: money in it, so people aren't wanting to stick their 780 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: neck on the line and to print stories like this. 781 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 1: We're too out for the polls because I personally don't 782 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: know if they can return from this. I don't think 783 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: that they can come back from this. I might be 784 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: naive in saying that, but this is just one installment 785 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: of a number of YouTube videos that Mikayla is planning 786 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: and putting out against the polls, and I feel like 787 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: she's still got some big things to drop. I just 788 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: wish they'd put it in the movies. Like the eras 789 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: too like you could go to gold class and sit 790 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: and watch. The people were saying that it was almost 791 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: too long. I saw a few people on TikTok joking, 792 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: could someone just you know, make this The reason I 793 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: think the media hasn't touched it because I think the 794 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: journal is like, I'm not sitting down for two and 795 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: a half hours to watch this. I think the only 796 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: way Anna could potentially recover from this is if she 797 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: adopts the strategy that Taylor Swift did when she was 798 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: being called a snake by Kim Kardashian, and also what 799 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: l Dharby did recently, because a couple of years ago, 800 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: all these old racist tweets and homophobic and fat phobic 801 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: tweets that l Darby made when she was a teenager 802 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: re emerged and she was absolutely canceled. So she just 803 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 1: went offline for around eight months to a year and 804 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: then returned, and she obviously had to paint the full 805 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: story that she was a different person. Blah blah blah. 806 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: I think that's the only way Anna can return. Surprisingly though, 807 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: I thought she would have lost more followers on TikTok 808 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: and Instagram because I had a look at social Blade 809 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: and over the last thirty days she's lost one hundred 810 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: and five thousand on Instagram and two hundred thousand on TikTok. Initially, 811 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: when the scandal broke, she lost over a million followers 812 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: on TikTok. Do you think people are sticking around to 813 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: see if there's another terrible apology view? I mean, it's 814 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: sort of like watching a car crash, isn't it. Like 815 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: it's become this sport of almost disliking Anna paul and 816 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: engaging in a negative way with her content. So it's 817 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: still getting engagement, But I mean, you know, at the 818 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: end of the day, I think it's right, kay. I 819 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: think that they will have to disappear for a considerable 820 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: amount of time. But how do you do that when 821 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,280 Speaker 1: you've got a business, Paulie Skin, you've got a business partner, 822 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: You've probably got you know, promotions in the work that 823 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be doing. People Really awkward for them, 824 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: isn't it. People have been saying on TikTok that they 825 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: have seen a lot more paulyads recently, whether they've pumped 826 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: money into advertising. She's been quite active on Paulie's TikTok, 827 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: and people have been hypothesizing that they're really trying to 828 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: test the market there. I would love to know the 829 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: sale stats, Like can you just imagine the massive dive. 830 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: One thing that she can't do is return to TikTok 831 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: as if nothing has happened again, do you reckon at 832 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: this point in time, at the Paul HQ, they're trying 833 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: to find some incriminating evidence against Mikayla. You know the 834 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: way that Mikayla had the I don't think that, but 835 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: do you reckon? They are, Like I'm just trying to 836 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: think from seeing how they've worked in the past, they're 837 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,720 Speaker 1: probably trying to find a video where they've got Mikayla 838 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: saying something unto Walls. I keep back that way. Probably. 839 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm personally really interested to see when this next podcast 840 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: drops because at the start of this episode, Mikayla, as 841 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: we mentioned, said that she had not heard from the 842 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 1: poll's legal team. But I do think that potentially now 843 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: that may have changed. 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