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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to your Monday pod with Ossie, actor, director, writer,

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Speaker 1: voiceover artist, and acting coach Sean James Murphy or Shawnee

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Speaker 1: Murphy or SJ. We get into all the versions of

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Speaker 1: his name. Sean has been living in Los Angeles for

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Speaker 1: nine years now.

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Speaker 2: We both went to brother sister schools together.

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Speaker 1: And he has done some pretty incredible things. And I

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Speaker 1: think he's just got an awesome outlook on life and

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Speaker 1: chasing a creative dream.

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Speaker 2: And I reckon you're going to be inspired by this chat.

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Speaker 1: He's honest, he's humble, very very real, and has something

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Speaker 1: really awesome to share.

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Speaker 2: So megalve and I really hope.

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Speaker 1: You enjoy this chat with the incredible Shawnee James Murphy.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm just gonna call you Shawnee all right, guys,

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Speaker 1: Mega love enjoy the chat and I hope it inspires

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Speaker 1: you as much as it inspired me. And we recorded

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Speaker 1: this one in real life in my partnerment in Los

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Speaker 1: Feelers in Ala. So it's coming to live from the

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Speaker 1: City of Dreams, babe. Sean James Murphy is how I

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Speaker 1: want to introduce you. But talk me through this. Is

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Speaker 1: it Sean Murphy?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 2: SJ is it? What is it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? All right, but I'll tell you the story. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So I was born really premature as a baby, and

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Speaker 3: I was in the hospital for quite a while, like

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Speaker 3: couple of times. Yeah, I was way too early, and

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Speaker 3: so because I was in the hospital for so long,

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Speaker 3: my parents they said I wouldn't The doctor said I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't make it, so they were a bit cautious about

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Speaker 3: naming me. But eventually I was getting stronger, so they

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Speaker 3: put up a list of names for the doctors and

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Speaker 3: because you know, I was there for a while, and

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Speaker 3: Sean and James had you know, equal tics. So I'm

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Speaker 3: Sean James. My father's name is James as well, but

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Speaker 3: a lot of people call me Shawnee or Sean James whatever.

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Speaker 3: I just don't love Sean, but Shawnee's great.

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Speaker 2: I like Shawnee. I like that a lot. So you

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Speaker 2: are an actor, Can I say director as well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And acting coach.

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Speaker 3: Too, yeah, big acting coach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can I just say you and voiceover artists.

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about that. Yeah, for have I

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Speaker 3: Well, I've done a lot of writing, particularly in the

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Speaker 3: last few years. Yes, a lot of people bring scripts

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Speaker 3: to me for like script doctoring. You know, a lot

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Speaker 3: like quick punch ups of scripts, they'll send them to me.

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Speaker 3: So I've done a lot of and you know, like

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Speaker 3: but like big films, I've punched up and I've done,

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Speaker 3: people I've punched up as well. But I don't have

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I do a lot of writing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I had so much fun binge watching you

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Speaker 1: on Vimeo and YouTube, and it was so so much fun.

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Speaker 1: But I want to go back to my first memories

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we were at brother sister schools. Yes, both

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Speaker 1: doing drama. Yes, so we were both in Romeo and Juliet,

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Speaker 1: right right. So I remember my character was basically like

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Speaker 1: for the purpose of me being part of the ensemble.

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Speaker 2: I think I had one line in the whole play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who are you again?

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Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you. I can't remember you and.

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Speaker 1: I had a scene to get like. I think we

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Speaker 1: were not leads. Neither of us were Romeo.

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Speaker 1: And then I feel like we did a few other

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Speaker 3: We did a do Me do, a commedia delate play,

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Speaker 3: and you said something that a friend of ours, Nick Freditch,

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that? Yes? And I don't. I couldn't

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Speaker 3: you were hysterical in that role. Ye. Yes, That's why

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Speaker 1: He said that the first time we caught up. So

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Speaker 1: this is why I'm so excited to kind of like

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm picked on, like explore your career to date,

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Speaker 1: because I have been watching as much as I can

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Speaker 1: find of Danger five. Taka is awesome your character. Can

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Speaker 1: you share a bit about what Danger five is?

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Speaker 3: but essentially, it's a pulp kind of TV show that

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Speaker 3: crime fighting international spies on a mission to kill Hitler.

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Speaker 3: And the show is really wild. We've got like stop

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Speaker 3: real sixties TV making skills in it. So we've got

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Speaker 3: it's really like on my to those amazing shows. Six

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Speaker 3: is constantly smoking, drinking, misogynistic, and then you know, we've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so fun was that? So were you living here?

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Speaker 1: You got a call was shot in Adelaide, I think,

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Speaker 1: and I heard that you in an interview say, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I want to like go to Adelaide to shoot this thing.

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Speaker 1: first episode and it was like called I Danced with Hitler,

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Speaker 3: The title of the first episode is I Think, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I Danced with Hitler And the opening shot is the

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Speaker 3: And I just thought, this is like nothing I have

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Speaker 1: Didn't the director come to you to do your audition

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he came to me and like we did it

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Speaker 3: was doing. But the brief was for my character Tucker,

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Speaker 3: cover of a sixties cigarette commercial. And they said, we

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Speaker 3: looked at every headshot of every man in Australia and

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Speaker 2: I love that. So is it true that that took

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Speaker 2: you to comic Con? Did that happen?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, We've done like all sorts of things like that.

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Speaker 3: a wild experience. You know, people line up and make dolls. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's got such a huge cult following the show, Like

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I watched it and New York I like

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Speaker 2: I did not know how people in America are. So

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Speaker 2: it's kind of cool that it's got this like underground

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Speaker 3: It just it's the show that never dies. We actually

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Speaker 3: that's where I was just before the pandemic. I went.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I could totally see that.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's got the whole Thunderbirds kind of.

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Speaker 1: Totally Okay, So on your show real I got to

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Speaker 1: I think of you, because you were the one that

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Speaker 3: I've blocked high school out of my mind.

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Speaker 1: So at high school where you went Xavier Theater, the

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Speaker 2: What led you to come to America?

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Speaker 3: Well, right back at you. First of all, you know,

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Speaker 3: I always saw that in you. You're now always hustling, truly,

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Speaker 3: you know, you always had stars. No stars in your eyes,

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Speaker 1: Though, like I remember watching you because you've been in

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Speaker 3: Now, I think like nine years now. I mean there's

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Speaker 3: I recently became an American, actual American citizen. But I

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Speaker 3: engaged with people, because after the last sixteen months of lockdown,

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00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 3: yeah and talk about failures like oh things that okay,

437
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 3: so so yeah, I was just I was doing quite well,

438
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 3: you know, up until just before COVID and my coaching business.

439
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,239
Speaker 3: I moved into a bigger studio that was on a

440
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 3: studio lot. You know. Yeah, it was great. It was beautiful,

441
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 3: like I had views of la and I started that

442
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 3: in January twenty twenty and you know, by the time

443
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 3: the construction will finished and I came back from doing

444
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 3: a job for a couple of weeks, I had six

445
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 3: weeks before it got shut down, and then I just

446
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 3: had this empty, big studio that I couldn't use.

447
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: And you're probably paying rent for.

448
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, on a lot, you know, which was

449
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 3: a lot. So that was a big hit and then

450
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: you know, so I just kind of sat at home

451
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: and I thought about all the things I'd lost, and

452
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: I felt like I was cheated out of, you know,

453
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 3: the success that I put myself out there to grow,

454
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 3: you know, but it is such a common story, like

455
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 3: so many people have gone through this, so many small

456
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 3: businesses have shut down, so.

457
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: Many people have gone home too.

458
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 3: Well. Yeah, I mean a lot of a lot of

459
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 3: the people that I work with Australian, UK and New

460
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 3: Zealand expats living here, and you know, that was my

461
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: main client base here and I loved them, you know,

462
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 3: helped a lot of people, you know, and then everybody

463
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: went home, Like I mean, and even my friends. I'm

464
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 3: talking like eighty ninety percent of everyone I know here

465
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 3: is gone. So you know, it's there's just been a

466
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of loss and a lot of

467
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 3: isolation in the last really like last two years, last

468
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 3: year and a half. But getting my little Parogi has

469
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: you know, given me fresh eyes and a bit of

470
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: a open my heart up a little bit. And he's

471
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 3: such a little trooper.

472
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: But also I.

473
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: Feel like your energy, even from the first time we

474
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: hung out to the second time too, even now, like

475
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: you're on fire, like it's only a matter of time until.

476
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: Like I'm back, but more than back, like and watching.

477
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: That's why it was such a joy to research you

478
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: and look at your different show reels and like seeing

479
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: you do dramatic acting as well, Like I like dramatic

480
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: stuff freaks me out, Like I'm like this feels really heavy, Yale,

481
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: And I guess my question for you around that is like,

482
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: because you've got like I would say, like comedic bones, yes, right,

483
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: how do you then go? And this might be more

484
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: an acting coach question, but how do you go from?

485
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: And I know comedy you're playing for something that you

486
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: really care about and.

487
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: The stakes still feel really high.

488
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: But there's such a joy with comedy, like when you're

489
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: in it, there's this like it feels like the energy

490
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: refeeds you or something and fuels you. But drama can

491
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: be really heavy. How do you like differentiate the two?

492
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: You know, one big thing that I always look for is,

493
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: you know, I'm very like results kind of driven, I guess,

494
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 3: And you know, comedy came in a lot of things,

495
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,719
Speaker 3: So you're we talking like a sitcom comedy, so like

496
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 3: a friend's type multicam thing? Are we talking like a

497
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 3: single cam like girls are we talking? You know, a mocumentary?

498
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 3: What kind of comedy? And then there's different levels of

499
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 3: drama as well, like is it an HBO drama? So

500
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 3: everything has different facets and tones. When it comes to

501
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: like sitcom acting, it's about technique. It is about Yeah,

502
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: when I thought I thought I had it in the bag,

503
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 3: you know, when I first got here, I did some

504
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 3: network tests for some comedy, some you know, big network comedies,

505
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: you know, and I thought I was in a bit

506
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: and and I wasn't booking any of them. And a

507
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 3: producer called my agent and said, you know, he's great now,

508
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 3: we love him, but he doesn't know sitcoms. And I'm like, what,

509
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: Like he doesn't really understand American sitcoms. And then I

510
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: went and I studied them and like they're writing beats,

511
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 3: And that's really where I fell in love with writing

512
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: as well. Like there is a technique and a formula

513
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 3: on that page. If you're working in sitcom comedy and

514
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 3: you're acting like it's you know, you know, a single

515
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 3: cam comedy, it's going to be destroyed. So like it's

516
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 3: about knowing the craft and then finding your like magic

517
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 3: source on top of that. Yeah, but with drama, you know,

518
00:26:54,560 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: it's it's it's interesting here. You know, you can learn

519
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: a lot in terms of craft. But I do think

520
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: that I find some people sort of have it and

521
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: some people don't. I think like the people that have

522
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: what I call like a glass face, you know, you

523
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 3: can almost see right through them. They don't have to

524
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 3: do much, but you place a lot of import on

525
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: what they're thinking. They end up finding their work in

526
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: drama a lot easier. Got It's it's such a it's

527
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: such a difficult thing to really explain when someone flies

528
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: in a room, you know, but it's a beautiful thing

529
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 3: to watch, and I like, I need to I found

530
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: that I really need to be very calm if I'm

531
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: doing anything dramatic, like because I want to please, and

532
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, now I don't. Now I don't really care,

533
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: and it's made my work a lot better. But you know.

534
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: That makes sense, No, that makes total sense. Because I

535
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: saw a clip.

536
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: From American Is an American Woman, and I was like, fuck,

537
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: that would have been like quite confronting. Like even the

538
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: scene that I saw like this, she just randomly comes

539
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: up to you in the middle of souping.

540
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: Miasavari, right, yeah, yeah.

541
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: And just as like straight up as like you're homosexual

542
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: in front of like quite.

543
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 3: Loud like you know, I know, I know that was

544
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 3: you know, that was that was That was hard actually,

545
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: also because you know, I've seen her in American Beauty

546
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: and I grew up watching her and then here I am, like,

547
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 3: you know, working with her. But she was so lovely

548
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: and yeah that even doing that part brought up some

549
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: stuff for me, you know, because I've been hidden, you know,

550
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: like when I say I don't care anymore, like I'm

551
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: sort of talking about, you know, my identity, and I

552
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 3: tried to be quite generic here, you know, and like

553
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: not reveal like my sexuality or you know. And I

554
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: was told actively by my Australian agent back in the day,

555
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: that's great. You can be what you want to be,

556
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: but just keep that hidden, keep that down, keep that down.

557
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: I was at like an upfronts kind of event, which

558
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: is where they like launched new shows and they kind

559
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: of parade the actors around, and some executives came up

560
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: with my agent and one of the executives literally wrote

561
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: dollar signs on my chest and we're like, you're going

562
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: to be huge and then my agent took me aside

563
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: and said, you're going to be huge, but you've got

564
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: to keep the sexuality thing. Look around the room, look

565
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: at how the women are looking at you. That's how

566
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: you're going to make it. And that that messed me up,

567
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: Oh understandably. So I was really hidden and it kind

568
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: of affected everything I was doing. So now I'm more

569
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: myself and you know, it's I don't you know, I

570
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: don't feel like I have anything to hide, and it's

571
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: only made me better. But that was like, it's like

572
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: a wasted eight years of my life of trying to be.

573
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 1: But like, also, I think to do good work as

574
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: an actor, right, there has to be a sense of

575
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: like freedom within yourself to be able to go to wherever,

576
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: whatever audition is thrown in front of you.

577
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: And if you've got this part of.

578
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: Yourself that you're like feel like you're hiding or there's

579
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: a sense of shame, stuff, that's going to completely get

580
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: in the way of you giving yourself.

581
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: To the work, right, is it not like totally.

582
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, is this is this? What is this? What

583
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: a straight man does? Is this? Like I can't do that,

584
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: I'm not good at it. A lot. I try, you know,

585
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: but it's you really get in your head and it's.

586
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: Just not the only silver lining and complement of all

587
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: of that is like at least your agent could see

588
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: how gorgeous you are.

589
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: I see how the women are looking at you.

590
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: Sound like a piece of me, But.

591
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: Honestly that's like oh hot, like yeah, mental like so,

592
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: and I am going to come across as quite ignorant

593
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: when I when I speak right now, and extremely privileged,

594
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: but like.

595
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: My mum raised me where we were raised by mom and.

596
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: Like gay guys like that was just the way that

597
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: I was raised. So for me, it's always been like

598
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: normal because my parents said brain is super super young,

599
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 1: and so you do a week with dad, but then

600
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: you do a week with mom and Larry and Andrew,

601
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: like that was just the week and week off. So

602
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: for me, I never until maybe the first time I

603
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: came here when I was really young. So I pulled

604
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: me aside and was like, lollly, you don't understand how

605
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: privileged you are, Like you're white, you're straight, you're like

606
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: there are all these things that you don't really and

607
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: I had no concept. But it hasn't been since really

608
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: like diving into the craft of acting. And like, on

609
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: my first class where I studied in Australia, a teacher

610
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: was like, hey, my name's Julia.

611
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: These are my pronouns. What are yours? And I was like, oh,

612
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: this is cool.

613
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: My dad just called me to ask me why he

614
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: got an email out of the end of it it

615
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: said she her as the person that said it to him.

616
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: He's like, my darline, what does that mean? That's Irish

617
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 3: and I hate to explain to him what pronouns were.

618
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: In his mind was blown. Where is here America? It's

619
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: standard totally, but.

620
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: Like how oh like?

621
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: And that's I'm so glad that you feel like you

622
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: give less of a shit about what people think of you,

623
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: because I think that that's going to be the magic

624
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: in like next level for you.

625
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: I think so, And I mean I see it already,

626
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: like in reaction, because okay, so this is a movement

627
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: that's been here for a while. I guess you could

628
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: call it a movement, but it's also occurring in Australia,

629
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: where it's you know, a lot of transgender roles historically

630
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: have been played by non transgender actors. You know, Eddie Redmain,

631
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: you know, there's lots of different people that have taken

632
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: those roles, and you just talked about your privilege, you know,

633
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: and in a way, you know, they can be seen

634
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: because of their privilege, they were able to get to

635
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: a certain point where they were seen and known by

636
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: directors and CASTI giving this a great opportunity, But there

637
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: are transactors out there that wanted that opportunity and wanted

638
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: to tell that story. And it's like, sometimes we forget

639
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: that we are so privileged that you know, we can

640
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: kind of do anything, but we're actually getting in the

641
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: way of some other people telling their genuine stories and

642
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: their genuine self So yeah, it's just And also for

643
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: gay roles, like I certainly don't believe that, you know,

644
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: an actor has to be gay to play a gay role,

645
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: but there is something in you know, having an where

646
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: we are now, we've come to a lot of acceptance.

647
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: It's not all over, you know for gay people being accepted.

648
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: My god, I got spat on on the street last week.

649
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: You know, it's not all like wild, can you believe?

650
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: You know, and I'm like COVID but but but you know,

651
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: there have been projects that have gone on in Australia

652
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Speaker 3: where there was pretty much a predominantly straight cast playing

653
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: a gay story. Yes, and I know a lot of

654
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 3: gay actors that are very, very talented. I'm not saying

655
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: it was a lack of talent, but because there was

656
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: like a maybe a privileged circle of you know, cisgender,

657
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 3: white actors got pretty much just thrown in the role

658
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: when there were these amazing, passionate voices that understood the

659
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 3: story personally telling their own story or like such a right.

660
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, now it's not acceptable to

661
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: be playing a different race, whereas you know, fifty years ago,

662
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 3: Mickey Rooney, you know what, there was all sorts of things.

663
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Speaker 3: So I don't know how I got onto that topic,

664
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 3: but we're talking about privilege, but yeah, it's it's it's

665
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 3: a I think it's a time I think for us

666
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 3: to be authentic.

667
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Speaker 1: You and I have spoken about I've had Zoe Tracus

668
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: on this podcast Who's on Wentworth. He's a character called

669
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Speaker 1: Rap who was trans and Zoe wasn't auditioned for the role,

670
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: didn't get it it because it wasn't it was like

671
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: fifteen years too.

672
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: Young for the for the role.

673
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: Zoe's on screen partner was I Love High KG, So

674
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Speaker 1: I think Kate had a huge impact on Zoe as

675
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: well about coming out and whatnot. But Zoe ended up

676
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: writing an email to I think the producers and said,

677
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: this is my story, let me tell it. Stop really

678
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: and that got called in the next day. Oh I

679
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: love that, right, and I love that and yeah, I.

680
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 3: Like just and let's think, like, let's be real and

681
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: specific here. So first of all, I'm a Wentworth freak.

682
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: I love Wentworth like you give me like female lesbian

683
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 3: prison drama power dynamics. I'm there, you know. But socrate

684
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: is Otto who was on Wentworth. It hasn't been on

685
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 3: Wentworth for a few years now, I believe, not to

686
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: be a spoiler alert or anything, but socrate is I

687
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: believe identifies as it a cisterender male who played a

688
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: transgender character on went Worth. Now to have red, you know,

689
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: having like authentic representation, how far are we coming? Great work, Australia,

690
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: Let's keep that up, you know, and what it not?

691
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: So did a fabulous job and you know, great in

692
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: that role. But there was a trans person watching that

693
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: that would have loved to have been able to tell

694
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 3: that story. So and I think across.

695
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: The board, like so we talked about like understanding what

696
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: binders are and all they're like, yeah, the whole like

697
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: it's it's not just in casting, which he needs to

698
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: filter the whole way through, you know.

699
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

700
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Speaker 2: So I'm so glad you spoke to that because I think.

701
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: There needs to be more like we need to like

702
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: and it's just especially for like people that are fans

703
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: that just watch the shows like I'm just consuming.

704
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: I love this show.

705
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: But it's like, now you get to be educated and

706
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: watch this show, right, And that's.

707
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: Powerful and that's what I like. A high quality show

708
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 3: like Wentworth does. I mean, it's such a good show.

709
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: It is and if I may, okay, so if anybody

710
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 3: hasn't watched Wentworth, you should start watching. It's on Netflix.

711
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: But all these fantastic Australian female actresses who maybe you know,

712
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: past that thirty seven year and then we'll play a

713
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 3: mom on you know, her way, and they're getting these

714
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: amazing meaty roles like you know, you know, like so

715
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 3: so juicy, and the acting they get to do and

716
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: the stories they get to tell, it's like it's like

717
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: a better version of Oranges than you play.

718
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: Yes, I think, yeah, saying that Okay, so I've got

719
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: some questions for you. You have been phenomenal, but I

720
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: just I guess as well for people, A lot of

721
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: actors listen to this, and I think a lot of

722
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: dreamers and that audience is mainly Aussie at the.

723
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: Moment, but I think that slowly change.

724
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: It or like growing should I say, we love the Australia,

725
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: But what would you say? Some misconceptions, like I think

726
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: misconceptions around Ozzie's coming to America and you've kind of

727
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: touched on it, but like you come here, you've.

728
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: Got a pretty good body of work behind you.

729
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like I because you hear the stories

730
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, well Margot Robbie made it, Chris Hemsworth

731
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: made it.

732
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: Why can't I do you know what I mean?

733
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: Like right, well, you know, I you know, I can

734
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: tell you like I don't really know Chris's story, but

735
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: I know Margo worked her butt off, you know she

736
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 3: and this is this is sort of applicable, like I

737
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: didn't do this, I'll say this, but you know, now

738
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: I wish I sort of had, Like Margo worked so

739
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 3: hard and saved her money on neighbors, right, I think

740
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 3: she's working on and like would spend nights studying accents.

741
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: This is I believe, you know, yeah, and you know,

742
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: and so when she came here, she had a buffer

743
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 3: for she could work for she could not get be

744
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 3: employed for three years or something and just focus on auditioning,

745
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: you know, and live basically, you know, and get by.

746
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: That is a really great template for anyone that's looking

747
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 3: to come here. You're not going to get discovered walking

748
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 3: down or a day drive, you know, like Sandra Bullock was.

749
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 3: You're going to have to put in the hard work

750
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 3: and you're going to have to have thick skin because

751
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: like it's really brutal what happens here, and you're going

752
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: to have to know yourself or you'll fall into like

753
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: a duck hole like I did after you know, getting

754
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: a bit of and I thought I was really resilient,

755
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 3: and I do believe I am a resilient person now.

756
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: But you know, it's going to be hard, and I think, yeah,

757
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: there's just a misconception here. Misconception here that you get

758
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 3: like endless amounts of auditions and possibilities and you make

759
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 3: a ton of money when you book a job, and

760
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: certainly you can make money that you couldn't stream of

761
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: making in Australia. But you know, if you're doing a

762
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: day or two on a film, you're not bringing home

763
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: a lot once SAG take out. There a bit in

764
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: your agents and managers, you know, and you've got to

765
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: find a way to like survive here. It's like, I mean,

766
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: I've really been broke, like I've been destituted here before.

767
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 3: I've gone up and down like.

768
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Speaker 1: I can, like I could one hundred percent. I've been

769
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: here for three months and I have not made one uscent. Yeah,

770
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Speaker 1: I'm making Australian dollars while I'm here.

771
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's confronting, like, yeah, I mean

772
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 3: I got evicted from a apartment. You know, I couldn't

773
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Speaker 3: pay my rent, you know. And I recently had an

774
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: experience side note, Okay, well I will tell you this.

775
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 3: I recently had an experience. I was in Australia year

776
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: before last, and and I was like talking to a

777
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: panel or something, and somebody made a joke about me

778
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: just being like having it really easy being in Hollywood,

779
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: and like how much hardship could you have seen? Oh,

780
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: you know you're an actor in LA How hard is that?

781
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: I didn't say anything, but I thought you have you

782
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: actually don't have any idea how hard it's been for

783
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: me here. I mean it's a lot harder for a

784
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 3: lot of other people. But you know, I've had nowhere

785
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 3: to live at times. You know, I've had you know,

786
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 3: like you've had friends couches to crash on, and you

787
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: know it's I've had literally no idea what I'm going

788
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: to do, you know, And then you know, you get

789
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: a commercially a check and it changes everything, and you know,

790
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: you struggle with trying to find your way and you

791
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: eventually you do or you go home.

792
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 2: Have you heard the famous George Clooney story.

793
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: No, he was on er right, Yeah, But before that

794
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: he was like the guy that famously shot thirty pilots

795
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: and got none of them, was staying on people's couches,

796
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: had no money, broke And then this happened, I think

797
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: about ten years ago. He invited twelve people over for dinner,

798
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: and he got a suitcase for each of the twelve people,

799
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: and they didn't know one another, and then they all

800
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: sat down at dinner and he pulled up a globe,

801
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: like an earth globe, and he was like, because of you,

802
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: I got the job. That meant that I could travel

803
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: here because of you letting me stay on your couch

804
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: when I was broke, I was able to chase my

805
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: dreams as an actor and get X, Y and Z.

806
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: And he said, all of you have impacted my life.

807
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: So in this suitcase is one million dollars tax free

808
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: for you. Go pay your mortgage off, go send his

809
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: kids to school, whatever you want to do.

810
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: Right.

811
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Speaker 1: That gave me chills because I think he made it

812
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: at like the mid thirties, thirty seven, I think, or

813
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: something like that.

814
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: But there are a lot of.

815
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: Stories about that, like Jeremy Pivens that he said, like,

816
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: there are a lot of stories of that struggle, but

817
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: you don't always hear about it. You know, you just

818
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: see the right, you know, George Clee's success.

819
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: Right, and like a lot of you know, so a

820
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: lot of my I've seen a lot of clients. My

821
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: acting coaching business has been happening for six or seven years, right,

822
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 3: and you know it's built up and I've started to

823
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: get you know, well, it's a combination of some of

824
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 3: my clients becoming very successful, yeah, and you know, getting

825
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: like a lot of wealth and then you know, and

826
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: then consequently getting some wealthy sort of celebrities you know

827
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 3: as my clients as well. And there's so much generosity,

828
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: like when people really do make it like it's it's

829
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: kind of amazing, you know, like it's a you can

830
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: tell who is going to be a generous artist and

831
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: support people like that. I've been the beneficiary of a

832
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 3: few of them, and those that are going to be

833
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 3: insular about it, you know. And and here this is

834
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: so much like generosity when people like I've got you know,

835
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: rich friends, I've got the tab and they pick up

836
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: the tab for all of us who are like you know,

837
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: and I'm like, that's a thousand dollars tab, but you know,

838
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 3: they're like, I've got it because they can afford it.

839
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 3: And you know, we would all do the same for

840
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: each other. Yeah, But what's hard is like asking for

841
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: help for some people, like I found it really hard

842
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: to be like, hey, I'm struggling here, and I just

843
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: sort of suffered alone a lot of the time.

844
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: I think that's in a struct So I don't think

845
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: Ozzie's are the sad like I think Americans are. Actually

846
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: what I've learned here, they care like that they really do,

847
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: Like if you did ask for help, people be like,

848
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, I might not be able to help you,

849
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: but I think my friend, Oh, like I get the

850
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: vibe here like oh yeah, I just yeah, I could

851
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: just feel like Americans really check in and always.

852
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: Like you know, in Australia would say like, you're right,

853
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: and it's like, yeah, it doesn't really give you much

854
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: not the discussion, does it, Whereas here it's like, what's

855
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: going on with you? And then you know, they're like,

856
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: you know, and everyone's also it's a city of everyone

857
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: that's been to lot of therapy, so we're all very

858
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: emotionally literate here. Yeah, there's a lot more checking in here,

859
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: and I think there's a stereotype of what people are

860
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: like in LA that is false and true at the

861
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 3: same time. You know, there can be a lot of

862
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: cruel people here and just a lot of like really

863
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 3: crazy people here. But like I said earlier that there's

864
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: so many people who reached the top of their game

865
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 3: and then came in their country and then came here.

866
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: They reached the top of their game because most likely

867
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: they're talented and a good person, and if you surround

868
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: yourself with that kind of good energy, living here is

869
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: like it's like being in the Olympic Village of like

870
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: the entertainment industry, if that makes sense, you know. And yeah,

871
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: and there's so much generosity there. But it's very hard

872
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: sometimes to be vulnerable in this city because fame is

873
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: the most valuable currency, and just say you're not succeeding

874
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 3: at every turn can devalue you in some people's eyes.

875
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 3: And it's scary to be vulnerable here and say I'm struggling,

876
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: I'm not working. You know. Everyone's always got projects on

877
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: the go, undefined projects, you know. So there's a lot

878
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: of catches here. It's a complex place that can't be

879
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: wheittled down to one or two sort of catchphrases. It's

880
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: a mess and it somehow works at the same time.

881
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: Last time we caught up, you and I were sitting

882
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: with Perogi at the park having our coffees and I

883
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: said to you, I really feel like I'm changing as

884
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: a human being since I've been here, and you looked

885
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: me dead fan of the face and you're like, this

886
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: will change you, This place changes you. And it stuck

887
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: with me like ever like and I think, yes, in

888
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: a resilient sense of because I've really thought about that sentence,

889
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: but like yes in a resilient sense, but then and

890
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: yes and in an opportuity like opening your eyes to opportunity,

891
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: like we have four networks in Australia. There are how

892
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: many TV networks here? Like, yes, I have no idea,

893
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: but it feels like it changes you in that. And

894
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: it comes back to this story at the start, how

895
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: you were saying that you have to be so free

896
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: to be who you are and like actually who you

897
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: really are, because that's what's going to take you to

898
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: the next level. And if you're willing to do that

899
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: and do that work because it's fucking uncomfortable to sit

900
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: with who you really are, Yeah, that's when the opportunity

901
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 1: to like live beyond your dreams can come true.

902
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, no truly, And you know, I'll say

903
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: this to you. You have to really have a You've

904
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: got a good idea of who you are and who

905
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: you are in Australia and you have to treasure that

906
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 3: because coming here you will change and you'll compare it

907
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 3: to home. Yeah, and I did something that I hope

908
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: you don't do. And maybe this can be a cautionary tale,

909
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: but in my mind, I poisoned Australia to myself because

910
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 3: I didn't want to fail and go back. So I said,

911
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: I hate Australia. I hate you know, I don't want

912
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: to go back. Nobody this was I had lots of

913
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: reasons why I hated Australia. So I stayed so that

914
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: I think it was five years before I didn't even

915
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: go home once. You know, wow, And you don't need

916
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: to do that to stay here. You can have a

917
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: positive mindset about where you came from and all the

918
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: good that it's given you, and you can still want

919
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: to want to stay here too. You don't need to

920
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 3: have a negative outlook. But at times when things were

921
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 3: really bad here, the way I poisoned Australia in my

922
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 3: mind kept me here through the hard times. But it's

923
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: not ultimately a healthy way to do it. Australia has

924
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: a lot to give and there are issues with the two.

925
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,280
Speaker 3: After you've lived here, you see things from a certain perspective.

926
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: You know that's just going to be the case. But

927
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 3: it will just change you here and you know they

928
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 3: say comparison is the thief of joy. You need to

929
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: enjoy and celebrate the thing that you have there and

930
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 3: who you are there, and then who you are here,

931
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: and eventually that will kind of marry together and you'll

932
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: probably become a more assertive person. You'll probably become a

933
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: more direct person. You'll probably become a more loud person,

934
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 3: you know, like, yeah, you cut through a lot of

935
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: bullshit here, and that easygoing Australian attitude can be at

936
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 3: odds with sometimes the person you might become here. I

937
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 3: don't doubt you're going to change too much. You've got

938
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 3: a strong idea of who you are. But you know,

939
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: I just that's just something I found now.

940
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: I like it though.

941
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: I like it, and I love that you've said that

942
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: about Australia as well, because since I've got here, obviously

943
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: I got vaccinated.

944
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 2: I know you are as well.

945
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: I got a lot of trolling and bullying for being

946
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: vaccinated from Ozzies, and I was like, guys, it's super

947
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: serious here, Like it's really COVID is no joke, Like

948
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: right before this, I was telling you someone that was

949
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: twenty two that died from COVID two weeks ago, you know,

950
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: here in La Yeah, And it's just I think at

951
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: the start, when I first got here, I did get

952
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: a little bad taste for Australia only because I was

953
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: getting smashed, like every time I was doing a trade

954
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: of dough shop, people like you're of plastic consumptions too much,

955
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: and I'm like, guys, COVID is real. People are trying

956
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: to minimize the spread of COVID.

957
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 3: Right, yeah that was yeah, that's yep, that was a

958
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: thing too. Yeah.

959
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: Right, I've just and I was like, oh, I feel

960
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: like I'm constantly explained. But then there is like the

961
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: beauty of.

962
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: I love.

963
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: This is one thing that I do love that. I'm

964
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: so surprised how much I love being an Australian here.

965
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they love us for like a little snack

966
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 3: at I'm waiting for it to get old and people

967
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: are still like, oh my god, you're azzy. I love it.

968
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: And then when they find out I'm also Irish, they

969
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: just lose it.

970
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: You know, Oh yeah, you're double ware.

971
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, triple now I guess oh yeah, but yeah, no,

972
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: like I can understand that. I mean, you did a

973
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: sensible thing here that like most people in the city

974
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: have done, get vaccinated, and then you're getting Look, let's

975
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 3: just talk on this for one second. There's a very

976
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: different view of COVID in Australia. There is here in Australia.

977
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: I think most people it's been an inconvenience, but for

978
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 3: the people that lived here for the last sixteen months,

979
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: it's been life threatening. Yes, I saw ambulances take away

980
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 3: people in body bags next door, you know, like there

981
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: was like some older residents that died when I was

982
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 3: living in Beverly Hills for the beginning of the pandemic.

983
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: You know, it was brutal, Like I know, people have

984
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: died and people that got really sick and have long

985
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 3: haul COVID, and I think the attitude of like the

986
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 3: lucky country and as Scott Morrison said, you know, the

987
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: wait and see approach, it's I don't want maybe privilege

988
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: arrogance is too strong, but it's and now it's unfortunately

989
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: rearing its ugly head. Not the hesitancy, but like the

990
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: should we write attitude on it? And now you know

991
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: there's so many lockdowns occurring and Sydney's getting increasing numbers

992
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: into the high two hundreds. So you know, anyone that

993
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: you know had to go at you about being vaccinated, okay,

994
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 3: but you've got to understand that, you know, we're all

995
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: in this together. And like, go get vaccinated, because if

996
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 3: you can, you know some people can't. If you can

997
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 3: go get vaccinated, it's going to make us all get

998
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: back to normal a lot quicker. And you did the

999
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: right and I love that you got right off the

1000
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: plane and went straight.

1001
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: But I feel that like camaraderie is here, Like I

1002
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: can feel that here, Like when I because I wanted

1003
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: pis so I booked into this clinic in Inglewood.

1004
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: Because that was what offered fires that day.

1005
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: And literally it was like you are a hero for

1006
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: getting Vaccinatete, Like it's so celebrated here.

1007
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 2: Like well done, You've done a great thing, Like and

1008
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: it just for me.

1009
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: I did it for community safety and my own safety

1010
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: as well. I was like, I'm living alone, like I

1011
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: don't have my safety native.

1012
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: People that are going to look after me.

1013
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1014
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: Here, I would have no thank you, thank you, it

1015
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: has met even though okay, I have I know where

1016
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: I know we're going. I want to be mindful of

1017
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: your time. What advice would you for like a young

1018
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: hopeful actor anywhere in the world. Because you're coaching. I

1019
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: haven't worked with you as a coach yet.

1020
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: But we just from hanging out.

1021
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm like oh, I want whatever this magic is in

1022
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,959
Speaker 1: front of me, So I trust whatever your little gem

1023
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:18,959
Speaker 1: of advice is here.

1024
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: Okay. Well, i'd say my thing is I sort of

1025
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 3: marry the craft of acting with the art of acting.

1026
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: Okay.

1027
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 3: So on the craft side, i'd say, if you want

1028
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 3: to work in screen, know how you look in a midshot. Yeah,

1029
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: so record yourself doing auditions, look back at them. Learn technique.

1030
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: I won't get into it, but you've got to. Really.

1031
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 3: I mean, there's an amazing technique that you know you

1032
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 3: can learn about, and it's very successful. Once you kind

1033
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: of know, You've got to keep watching yourself in practice.

1034
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 3: On the art side of things, I wouldn't say it's

1035
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: so much about a particular method or a particular class.

1036
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 3: I'd say, go live your life and who you are.

1037
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 3: Learn what drives you, find out who you are, love it,

1038
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 3: celebrate it, and then share it with us in that midshop.

1039
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: Because what you've got is special. What you've got is

1040
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 3: just you and going to live your life, you'll have

1041
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 3: rich experiences. Yeah, you can draw on them in your acting.

1042
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 3: You'll just be a more engaging person. If you give

1043
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: up your whole life just for acting, you're going to

1044
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 3: be hollow almost like there's a rich life around you.

1045
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: Go live it and acting can be part of it,

1046
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: you know. And I will also say if you can

1047
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 3: be happy doing anything else, to do something else. If

1048
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: you can't, then you know, I'll see you in La

1049
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: come to my studio.

1050
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: I've heard, I've heard, and I think for Ozzie's Living,

1051
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: I think they should totally.

1052
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: I'll put all your socials.

1053
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: And whatnot and website as well, because I think that

1054
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: there's some exciting things probably coming for you ahead with

1055
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: you know where.

1056
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: The coaching takes you.

1057
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: But also I want to know because I have feeling

1058
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: like like even last time we spoke, you were you

1059
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: just shot a really great audition, and tomorrow you're on

1060
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: a shoot.

1061
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 2: You've come from rehearsal tonight. What is like the dream gig?

1062
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: I saw you do it at Danger five interview where

1063
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: you were like Jurassic Park, Oh my.

1064
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 3: God, yeah, I mean I would have loved to be

1065
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 3: on Jurassic Park. Come on, even just the guy picking

1066
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 3: up the margaritas and running like I always said, I

1067
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 3: wanted to be the first ginger James Bond but you.

1068
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: Know, so James Bond.

1069
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like but I wanted to be like a

1070
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: you know, a queer ginger James Bond. Okay, that might

1071
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 3: not fly, and I'm getting a bit old for that,

1072
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: but I will say this, I just love sitcoms. And

1073
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 3: you know, I think the most success I've had, or

1074
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: the closest I've come to like a big, life changing

1075
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 3: kind of gig, has been on a sitcom. You know.

1076
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 3: I love the way sitcoms are made. It's in la

1077
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 3: I love the technique, and I love being able to

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00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 3: almost guarantee your laugh, not a crappy sitcom like a

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00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 3: Will and Grace and you know, like these ones that

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00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: are brilliant. Yeah, for me, that would be a dream job.

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00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 3: You know, I would love I really and I'm hoping

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00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 3: that i'll you know, it'll actually all come through one day.

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Speaker 2: Of course it will.

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00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that the one like knowing you and

1085
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: hanging with you, one hundred percent, it will.

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00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's that's what I'd love to do. But

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00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: you know, I make sure that I'm happy until that happens,

1088
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: and if it doesn't happen, I'm still happy living my

1089
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 3: life here. You know, I get to make a big

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00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 3: difference in people's lives with coaching. Like for me, it's

1091
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 3: just always been about making sure someone has a positive

1092
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 3: experience and really helping them get to the next level,

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00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 3: which is why I have had so much success in

1094
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: my clients. I'm so happy doing that. And you know,

1095
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: now I've re engaged with my own dream a little bit.

1096
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 3: You know, that's not replacing anything, so I can do

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00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: it all though.

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Speaker 2: This is what I love.

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Speaker 1: Like people, the amount of podcasts that I go on

1100
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: is a guest. Some people like, so you're a nutritionist,

1101
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 1: why are you training in acting?

1102
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's.

1103
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: Such a weird way to look at like things like

1104
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: why can't we do it all?

1105
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: Like why can't we?

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00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: I think that, Like, since I've been here, three people

1107
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: have asked me to read sides in my accent so

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00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: that they can learn the Australian accent. I was like,

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00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: when I come back, I should just be teaching Australian

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00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: dialect on the side.

1111
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 3: For sure, Oh for sure.

1112
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: Bride like, and I just think you can.

1113
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 3: They'll never be able to do it, hey, as.

1114
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: It's very hard for Americans to get that Aussie accent down.

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00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: But I think it's there is There is no like

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00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: rhyme or weight, like you can go about it by

1117
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: having many feathers in your cap, Like I'm a big

1118
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: believer in that. I own a coffee company for goodness sakes.

1119
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: It's got nothing to do with acting, nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with TV hosting zero. But it's about like finding those things,

1121
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: like you said, that make you happy and bring purpose.

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00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: I think purpose is a real biggie with understand who

1123
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: you are on your value system.

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00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to what I said earlier, you went out

1125
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 3: and lived your life. You know, you're living your life. Yeah,

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00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 3: and now you're bringing acting. You're welcoming some acting into

1127
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 3: that and showing all that. I mean, it's great. There's

1128
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 3: a saying, you know, okay, it's come into town on

1129
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 3: the what is it? Gosh, I'm going to ruin this,

1130
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 3: but come into town on the horse you rode in on,

1131
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 3: which is like, be bold with who you are when

1132
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 3: you get to this city. Don't try and generic yourself

1133
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 3: into something you're not. I remember a casting director said

1134
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 3: to me in my first year here. They were like,

1135
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 3: you're Hilary so like the male rebel Wilson. And I'm like, oh, thanks, okay,

1136
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 3: you know, but like she's a great example. She came

1137
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: in here knowing who she was and showed it. And

1138
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 3: most of the time she's a version of rebel, you

1139
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So like, you have a rich

1140
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 3: life that you've lived, and you've come here to this city.

1141
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 3: Why not bring her? Why not bring Lola into the

1142
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: room for whatever? Because most of these shows don't know

1143
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: what they're looking for until they see it. And you're

1144
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 3: so engaging and so great, like come into town on

1145
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 3: the horse you rode in on. That is not the

1146
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 3: you go home. It makes sense, but it's like and

1147
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 3: then you know, when you book your things and then

1148
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 3: you know you've worked, then you go, Okay, now I'm

1149
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 3: going to try, you know, being a whatever you know,

1150
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: And a lot of people try and fight that. A

1151
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 3: lot of people trying to fight that. And I see

1152
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 3: that sometimes people come in and they're just like, I'm like,

1153
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: I can coach you in this, but it's a long

1154
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 3: way from who you are. It's a long way from

1155
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 3: what we see you as. It's what I call like

1156
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 3: a zero. If somebody is like, if you were playing

1157
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 3: an Australian nutritionist, you know you're that's a zero for you.

1158
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 3: But if you're playing you know, a librarian, we've got

1159
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 3: to do a bit of work. So maybe it's I

1160
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 3: don't know if it's not really a particular number, but

1161
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: like you know, it's a certain way away from you

1162
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 3: and you're gonna have to do a bit more work

1163
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: for us to see you as that. But like the

1164
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 3: thing you can do right now walk into a room

1165
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 3: is being an Australian lullaberry and people going to love that,

1166
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 3: even if they think, even if you think it's an

1167
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 3: American character. I see people just go in and be

1168
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: themselves all the time and they shock them. They don't

1169
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 3: know what to think, and they're like, well, that's different.

1170
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 3: Can we work that in the script. Yeah, let's change

1171
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 3: the script. But it happens every day.

1172
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: That's amazing. You have inspired me so much.

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01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: I cannot thank you enough for sharing your time with

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01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: me today.

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01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure. Thank you, And I.

1176
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: Feel like I've collected an old friend many many years ago.

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01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 3: It's been now four years since I I mean four hundred.

1178
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: Ten. We would have been.

1179
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: What fifteen when we met each other, probably yeah, and

1180
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: we'd be thirty five.

1181
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: You'd be the same as me, I imagine. Yeah, that's

1182
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 2: a twenty year.

1183
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 3: I mean on IMDb. I think I'm thirty three. Yeah,

1184
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 3: that's being authentic. Here we go. Thank you so much.

1185
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: It's been a real, real treat and delight to be

1186
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 3: here with you. Thank you.

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01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: You are amazing, my friend.

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01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Feeling Lesleeve Failing.

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01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: As always, thank you to our guests and let's continue

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01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:11,240
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01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,919
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01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,360
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