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Speaker 2: You, morning, Katy, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. Now. I understand

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Speaker 1: Now, I do know that you are not you know,

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Speaker 3: Low I've just reported it on, which has no correlation.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, But you think to yourself, you've got bloody you know,

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Speaker 3: No, and those types of instants, and we see a

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Speaker 3: Risk managed has to be because obviously lives are at

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's sort of that time of the year,

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Speaker 3: What sort of sparked it was we were starting to

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Speaker 3: And the whole idea of this is obviously is too

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Speaker 1: So this is the reason, yeah, and absolutely a good

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Speaker 2: So that'll cur through that period as well.

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Speaker 4: The police members, they are participating in this so we

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Speaker 3: We speak to the MLAs in those areas we see

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Speaker 3: We've done some heavy communication with a lot of those

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Speaker 1: Good to hear. I do think people will be pleased

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Speaker 1: Commander David Moore, always good to catch up with. You

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Cadi, Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much,