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Speaker 1: for all the latest news and information. Now three sixty

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Speaker 1: with Katie Wolf Everyone is listening. Mix one oh four

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Speaker 2: Ant joining us in the studio this morning for the

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Speaker 2: big issues, proudly brought to you by Kolano Community Association,

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Speaker 2: an Aboriginal oaned and operated community lead organization from the

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Speaker 2: top End to Tenant Creek. This morning, we have got

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Speaker 2: well one of the big men, Tami in Hayl Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Wolfy. There you go very.

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Speaker 4: Well and well Maddie Hepworth.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that you're as towering as as Dave Tollna.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say careful calling man big man, I

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Speaker 5: would be I'd be greatly offended by that. Hailey, how

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Speaker 5: do you feel about being called a big man each week?

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Speaker 3: Look the big man on the big Issues.

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Speaker 4: He's happy with it. I wouldn't mind if I was

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Speaker 4: called big.

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Speaker 3: I've been called worse plenty of times.

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Speaker 4: Well, but we can also.

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Speaker 2: Now call you officially, call you the coach of the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory Titans.

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Speaker 4: Is that the correct title?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's the men's the men's rugby league team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I'm excited about that.

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Speaker 4: Head coach. Yeah, good stuff, mate. When what's the process here?

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Speaker 4: When do you start? When you start?

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Speaker 6: Well, they're still finalizing when the tournament will be. It's

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Speaker 6: usually over the June Long weekend, so but there's some

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Speaker 6: talk about having a little bit later in the year.

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Speaker 6: So once we get a grip on when that is,

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Speaker 6: and we start to do some planning and Merg mccalyan's

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Speaker 6: been a pointed assistant and so we'll start to put

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Speaker 6: together a program will probably be about a six week

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Speaker 6: program leading into a national championship.

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Speaker 3: So you know, we're excited about being involved.

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Speaker 6: I love Rep footy, I played it, and getting an

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Speaker 6: opportunity to coach the Titans at the senior men's level

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Speaker 6: is something I've always wanted to do. I think I

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Speaker 6: was the only applicant, to be honest, But so before

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Speaker 6: anyone blows up about how did Haal get the job,

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Speaker 6: I might have been the only applicant.

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Speaker 5: I'm just going to ask if you'd seen my application

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Speaker 5: for the to be a part of the Rep squad,

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Speaker 5: and does that come across were already.

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Speaker 6: Going to take you away as a mascot that we

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Speaker 6: will just dress you up like a little mini Titan

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Speaker 6: and sending me.

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Speaker 5: Out there the application I was referring to.

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Speaker 6: So you know, it'll be exciting, and you know, we're

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Speaker 6: really keen to because I'm a club coach in the

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Speaker 6: in the past, either as he rules or rugby league.

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Speaker 6: We really want to support our clubs and we want

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Speaker 6: to support the players that are doing the right thing

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Speaker 6: by their clubs. And We've got six really good club

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Speaker 6: coaches and I'll be going to those guys as the

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Speaker 6: I'm looking forward to watching football on Saturday that all

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Speaker 6: three games are at the Headquarters and it gives us

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Speaker 6: an opportunity to see who's there. I know there's some

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Speaker 6: So I'll be certainly talking to the club coaches over

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Speaker 6: the course of the season. We want players with good attitude.

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Speaker 6: Good footballer is obviously you've got to be a good

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Speaker 6: rugby league player, but you've got to bring a good

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Speaker 4: Oh good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's fantastic and I'll be really keen

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Speaker 6: Well she's pregnant, isn't she. You know, I've got all

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Speaker 6: The I think there was saw on line today. There's

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Speaker 4: No, definitely, not that stiff.

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Speaker 3: Apparently we're in the next thirty. But look what a life,

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Speaker 6: And I'm not a massive fan of the royal family.

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Speaker 6: and she became queen now almost seventy years ago, sixty

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Speaker 6: see her. Obviously, he's got his own talent because he's

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Speaker 6: often people will get someone like that, who can be

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right, And so.

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Speaker 6: And obviously the one that's most famous is the Duke

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Speaker 3: And so I think it's been a life well lived.

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Speaker 6: And you know, it's only been the last few years,

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Speaker 4: Now hit the nail on the head.

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Speaker 2: You know. I know a lot of people sort of

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Speaker 4: And and you know, some of the.

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Speaker 2: Stuff, like you said that he's done in terms of

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Speaker 2: being a patron for different organizations. For some of those organizations,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think it's nice that those things have

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Speaker 5: And I mean, obviously there's criticisms of any public figure

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Speaker 5: When when you know any member of a family dies,

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Speaker 5: you know that no family is perfect and every family

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Speaker 4: And sad about it.

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Speaker 2: The thing that makes me sad about it though, is

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Speaker 4: But I really hope that, you know, maybe and look.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to be listening to me this morning,

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Speaker 2: well I would be surprised, but I really hope that,

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Speaker 6: Well, usually all all of those sort of rifts and

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Speaker 6: it's a big life.

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Speaker 3: And it's a good innings.

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Speaker 3: I just think that.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's been blown out of proportion again, who knows,

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Speaker 6: Decision to go their own way, and good luck to them.

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Speaker 2: But also do you know, again having to others, I've

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Speaker 1: Hours later, and.

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Speaker 3: They have their aunties screening separate them, and then they.

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Speaker 4: Against exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So let's hope, yeah, let's hope it's a similar situation

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Speaker 2: with the royals. There's still plenty more to discuss on

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Speaker 2: the big issues with Mattie Hepworth and Damian Hale.

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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf Thanks to Joyce Main Dowin

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Speaker 1: Homes owned Stuart Highway Beer mate.

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Speaker 2: It is the Big Issues brought to you by Kolano

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Speaker 2: Community Association and Aboriginal loaned operated and community lead organization

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Speaker 2: from the top End to Tenant Creek.

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Speaker 4: And in the.

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Speaker 2: Studio with me this morning for the big issues, we've

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Speaker 2: got Damien Hale and Maddie Hepworth.

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Speaker 4: Now there's been a lot to sort of to catch

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Speaker 2: When it comes to this saga with Christine Holgate. You

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Speaker 2: CEO or the Chief executive for Australia Posts. Now the

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Speaker 4: She accused the Australia.

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Speaker 2: She said this made her position at Australia Post unattenable

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Speaker 6: I think she's got a case in the Fair Work

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Speaker 4: Double check on that, I would need to double.

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Speaker 6: Miss I think she has, So it'll be sort of

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Speaker 3: Luck tree watchers for anyone as a word of warning.

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Speaker 6: But at the time I thought she was dead set

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Speaker 6: you know, she was basically bullied. I agree with what

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Speaker 5: That because he got up in Parliament and based only

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Speaker 6: He was very, very shocking and to attack her like that,

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Speaker 6: But as I said, I think she's still got a

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Speaker 2: And it's an interesting one as well because on the

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Speaker 4: I went to myself, goodness.

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Speaker 2: Me, why did she buy luxury watches? You know, that's ridiculous,

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Speaker 4: And I've also spoken.

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Speaker 2: To you to various other people about it, and most

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Speaker 4: For Australia Posts and for the workers.

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Speaker 2: Now obviously I don't work there, so I'm not one

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Speaker 4: And and you.

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Speaker 2: Know the thing that she did was that bonus of

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Speaker 2: they'd been given a bonus of.

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Speaker 5: Cash, we would be talking about it and the watches

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Speaker 5: it was you know, sensationalized and sensationalized. It probably didn't

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Speaker 3: But overall it's quite trivial.

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Speaker 6: I think at the time too, there was a bit

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Speaker 6: as you said, Katie, you know if it had been

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Speaker 6: these executives apparently had been working on a project from

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Speaker 4: Was looking for earlier.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and franchises and she was rewarding them. And the

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Speaker 6: you know, the way she was treated was appalling and

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Speaker 6: I think that there'll be some sort of settlement. It

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Speaker 6: Something happened.

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Speaker 5: Had in a friend recently that had done twenty years

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Speaker 5: was given a watch, except it didn't work, and so

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Speaker 5: he left the company. Oh that's on you, mate, You've

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Speaker 5: got to fix that quite expensive luxury mte. It didn't

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Speaker 4: You've left, now fix it yourself.

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Speaker 2: Said before we wrap up, I do want to talk

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Speaker 2: to a head as the afl W heavyweights. Yeah that's right,

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Speaker 2: get set for season decider now. It was apparently in

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Speaker 2: you've got to make sure that you're following all the

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Speaker 4: But I mean, what needs to be what needs to

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon? Not much?

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Speaker 6: Guess do the twelve days, not much final, because what's

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Speaker 6: the point of having the rule. If you're going to

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Speaker 3: And I've played. I got cleaned up in the Grand final.

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Speaker 3: The guy got six weeks for it.

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Speaker 6: Incidentally, probably should have got twelve, but because he punched me,

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Speaker 6: it was only six.

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Speaker 2: But the because it was you, because it was a punch.

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Speaker 6: I went back to cast. It was in the nineties,

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Speaker 6: back in the day. But the research now tells us

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Speaker 6: the damage that it does. And sometimes I have a

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Speaker 4: So it's actually no, it's funny. It's very serious.

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Speaker 6: However, the twelve days is the twelve days, and I

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Speaker 3: I don't believe she's going to play.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so. At this stage.

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Speaker 6: You might have the women's footy Wolfie, is that three

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Speaker 3: They look as though a lot of them are doing weights.

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Speaker 6: Programs and doing sort of strength and conditioning fit like yourself,

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Speaker 3: You're going to have people hitting.

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Speaker 6: Heads like we saw that was a pretty sickening collision

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Speaker 3: But they're getting bigger and they're.

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Speaker 4: Getting strong, and we've got to keep them healthy. You've

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Speaker 3: Be part of it.

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Speaker 6: So you know, people wanted women playing footy, women wanted

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. It's going to hurt Mattie. Anything else

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Speaker 5: No, I mean, as a Crow's fan, it is. It's

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Speaker 5: Even as a fan, I would not want to see

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Speaker 4: What do you need so to be spewing wouldn't she.

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Speaker 2: She would be absolutely spewing, Like if you'd gone well

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Speaker 6: I think it makes a mockery if if she does play,

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Speaker 3: And she should be commended for that.

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Speaker 6: And you know, but health is the first and foremost,

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Speaker 2: Well, great to have you both in the studio with

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Speaker 4: Damian Hale, thank you.

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Speaker 3: It was very placid without Big Dave. He was doing that.

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Speaker 2: We missed you this morning, Dave. I don't know I'm

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Speaker 2: dealing somewhere, but big, big thank you. Maddie Hepworth for

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Speaker 1: With you.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you again after eleven with the local news.

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Speaker 4: Thank you ye so very much.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to mix one oh four point nine

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Speaker 2: three sixty And that was the Big Issues brought to

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Speaker 2: you by Kolano Community Association and Aborige Alone operated and

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Speaker 2: community lead organization from the top end to Tenant Creek