1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Mix one oh four point nine's three sixty and well, 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: I had to cut the song short because they're in. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: The studio with us right now. 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: The big issues, and it is of course brought to you. 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: By Simon Wat's Real Estate Central. 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 3: I'm a bloud to say you didn't even mention Simon 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: what to cut the song off. Business come one. 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: He will sell your home in five weeks Simon Watts 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: real Estate Central, or he'll refund one hundred percent of 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: all your marketing costs. Go to What's way dot Nett 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: for all the details. 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: And it is for the big issues. 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: And if you hadn't heard them already, Dave told her 14 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: and Damian Hale join me in the studio right now. 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: Good morning to you both. 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 3: I'm thrilled to be here with Haley, are you oh good? 17 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: Good to have you boys in the studio. Gee, there's 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: always lots of mister. 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: Big fully you know he's it's just not the same 20 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: with any like thee. 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 2: But here's the in to your yangs. 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 4: Fairly well, we might be able to make the Olympics together. 23 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: Great dancers, break beans, break beans together. 24 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: Say that for our last chat, last topic of the day, 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: because it's quite funny, but multiple sporting organizations are up 26 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: in arms after the International Olympic Committee announced breakdancing would 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: be included in the twenty twenty four Olympic Games for 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: the first time, but leading Australian breakers say they fully 29 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: deserve their. 30 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: Place in the Games. 31 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: I tell you what I feel like, breakdancing sort of the. 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: Lazy man's dance. 33 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: Come on on on, ang on you just you are 34 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: so politically incorrect. This is a sport that all genders 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: can then can play. How many of them. 36 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 4: To say what it was they play? 37 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: To tell the classical ballerinas that this is okay, that 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: you know it's just. 39 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 4: Off the cuff stuff? Is it is at nightclub time dancing? 40 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: I think they practice, they do. 41 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 4: I think I think they're wonderfully talent, Katie. 42 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: I've seen Hailey spinning on his head. 43 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: I can actually can. I used to be able to 44 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: do crazy leagus. 45 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 3: Yeah. 46 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 4: I love watching it. I think they're enormously talented. 47 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 5: But you know one thing that's very it never surprises 48 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 5: me is the Olympic Committee. How to get a gig 49 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 5: on that committee. It's like, for delegate, that's what I 50 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 5: want to do about Delegate. 51 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: The inclusion of the sport also meant the Olympics will 52 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: farewell baseball, which has major and minor league fans unhappy, 53 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: but also netball fans are unhappy. They've taken a social 54 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: media with anger over the decision, given the sport has 55 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: failed to be recognized by the see after twenty years 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: of loving. 57 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 4: Not enough countries probably play it. How many people? So 58 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 4: many contes playing netball. 59 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: More than that breakdance, I think. 60 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 3: Is the highest women's participations. 61 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 5: That's the problem because the Olympics look at the how 62 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 5: many people play Like rugby league would never be an 63 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 5: Olympic sport, would it, Because there's only you. 64 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 4: Know, any twenty nations that play. Here is one nation 65 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 4: that dominates. So I think done everywhere. So netball. I 66 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 4: don't know how many Northern Hemisphere countries playing. 67 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: But I don't know how many nor I don't know 68 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: how many hemispheres breakdance, but I think everyone breakdances when 69 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: you're at the clubs. 70 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: When we are the club. 71 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 4: Mitchell Street anymore. People driving cars. 72 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: Got a reputation in Mitchell Street. Everybody everybody runs and hides. 73 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 5: It's driving trying to treat the treat the pubs up 74 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 5: Mitchell Street would drive throughs even if they haven't got them. 75 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: Did you actually did you hear convat Scarlets this morning? 76 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 3: He's all in favorite, but he's not going to do 77 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: it without consultation. 78 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. 79 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: What a hair brain really? 80 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 2: You know, if you missed this part of the show. 81 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: A little bit earlier this morning, we caught up with 82 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: the Lord Mayor of dah and Combat Scarlets and he 83 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: said that he would consult and if businesses came forward 84 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: and wanted to close off Mitchell Street in the nighttime 85 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: hours to allow piety. 86 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: The bollards will pop automatically out of the road walking 87 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: across the If you lived in Mitchell Street, you've got 88 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: to six o'clock curfew before you can get your car 89 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: downtown and breakdeat. 90 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 5: But you can just haven't blocked off from you can 91 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 5: block it off from the Mitchell Center to Shenanigans and. 92 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: Haven't like that little area there gets glassed in throb 93 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: or somewhere like that. Well one of those place one street, 94 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: but anyway on street you knows on troll but all 95 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: of a sudden they got to carry your up to 96 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 3: the bollarde to make the ambulance. 97 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: Well, I kind of wonder like a serious note, is it, like, 98 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: you know, is it going to actually hinder businesses if 99 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: they did something like this? 100 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: Or what? 101 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: Thinkin most hair brain thing that's even been cooked up? 102 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 3: But you've got to remember who were Mary. 103 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: It's a big call to say it's the most hair 104 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: thing that's ever been cooked up. 105 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: I reckon, We've had a few other hair brained ideas. 106 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 4: I just think Constantine keeps himself constant. 107 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 5: I like, I'll just think I wouldn't say job the 108 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 5: fact that we're going to spend ten minutes talking about. 109 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 4: Him, he'll be a big shout out to the me. 110 00:05:58,960 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: Well, there's plenty. 111 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: We have other things to discuss, And I know I 112 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: did want to take you across to this story that's 113 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: being reported in the Australian today. China's ban on beef 114 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: imports sorry from several Australian avatars has costed the industry 115 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars, while eight meat works wait 116 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: to resume trade now. Last year, exports of red meat 117 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: to China were valued at about three billion dollars, making 118 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: it Australia's most lucrative agriculture export market. But the Australian 119 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: Meat Industry Council says sales have fallen by almost thirty 120 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: percent year on year. There's no doubt that this issue 121 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: that we've got with China at the moment is having 122 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: a massive impact on us when it comes. 123 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: To exports imports. However you want to look at it, 124 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: it's gonna meet. 125 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,559 Speaker 3: There's also talk about an unofficial bean on Australian coal 126 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 3: I read today that twenty percent of export well exports 127 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: are down by twenty percent by Port Newcastle. Now Newcastle 128 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 3: Port is the busiest coal port in the world and 129 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: they've seen all of their exports to China dry up, 130 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 3: although nothing has officially been said, so you know, I 131 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: think there's some real concerns about a free trade agreement, 132 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: whether we actually do have free trade with China or body. 133 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 4: Easy to list what's not banned. 134 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 5: At the moment, but I think cool heads have got 135 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 5: to prevail and they've got to get back. 136 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 4: I'm sure that the diplomatic level there will be plenty 137 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 4: of talk. There's a lot of. 138 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 5: Retoric going on amongst the politicians, but you know, I 139 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 5: think it's got to a stage now where you know, 140 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 5: Scott Morrison's almost has to get in a plane and 141 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 5: go and sort this out, because it's going nowhere and 142 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 5: it's affecting you know, it's affecting a lot of industries 143 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 5: in Australia. 144 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: We do have a free trade agreement with China, and 145 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: somewhere along the line, somebody's going to say, he's that valid. 146 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: Do we have a valid agreement with you guys? Are 147 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: we trading freely or are we going to enter into 148 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: a trade war? 149 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: I did say it though last week. I think with you, Dave, 150 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: you know, this all seems to have. 151 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: Stared from the Prime Minister just asking for an investigation 152 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: into where the coronavirus came. 153 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 4: From a little bit harder. 154 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 5: Start. 155 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: That was when they got the shits with us. 156 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: Well they did, they did get the shits with us. 157 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: But I think we've sort of been drawn into a 158 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: fight as well. Clearly, you know, in a security sense, 159 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: we are very close to the US and long may 160 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: that continue. 161 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: But so is it more about our alliance you reckon 162 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: with the US. 163 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: So clearly where we are aligned with the US, and 164 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 3: I don't think that that's about to change at all, 165 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 3: you know, but they're trying to exert pressure on Australia. 166 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: Australia is an easy target. You know. I constantly say 167 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 3: I can understand the fight that the US has with China. 168 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: They've got a five hundred billion dollar trade deficit in Australia. 169 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: On the other hand, we've got a massive trade surplus 170 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: with China. They are our biggest customer by far. We 171 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: don't have the same concerns that the Americans have. There's 172 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: not a whole lot of IP being stolen from Australia. 173 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 3: We can sort of, you know, we can jump and 174 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: shadows and that sort of stuff, but you know, Australia 175 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: is you know, when you look at in comparison to 176 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: Silicon Valley and that sort of stuff, you know, IP theft, 177 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 3: all of those sort of things that Trump and others 178 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: have raised, I think are valid concerns with the Chinese. 179 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: So what do you reckon then of this. 180 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure whether the legislation is due to pass 181 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: through parliament today the Federal Parliament, or whether it's up 182 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: for debate what the situation is exactly, But what do 183 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: you think of this legislation then that's going through the 184 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: Federal Parliament About those agreements between you know, different states 185 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: and the Chinese government, i e. That One Belt one 186 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Road initiative national. 187 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 4: Interest type legislation in there. And I think Dave makes 188 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 4: a good point. 189 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 5: In regards to our reliance on China, and I think 190 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 5: what it's signaled is that we need to diverse countries 191 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 5: that we're exporting to. 192 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 4: Now that's not. 193 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely that's with the life cattle trade. When that live 194 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: export being, it's like the center of the territories beef 195 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: went Indonesia. We can't have such a reliance on one. 196 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 5: I'm not speaking derogatory at all of the China relationship. 197 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 5: I think it's really important. But there's also other countries 198 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 5: to our north that are really growing in their middle 199 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 5: class and they're developing quickly, and I think that we 200 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 5: should be engaging across a wide range of countries to 201 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 5: sell our products, you know. And it's shown now that 202 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 5: a little bit of pushback from China and our economy 203 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 5: really starts to get shaped. 204 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 3: I don't know that the beef being is going to 205 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 3: hurt us so much. I mean that the reality is 206 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: Australia exported very little beef to China. It was only 207 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 3: in the creation of that free trade agreement that we 208 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 3: eventually did start to export some beef to China, but 209 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: it's not a large part of our market. On the 210 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 3: other hand, is a very large part of our market. Similarly, 211 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: iron ore, now there's nothing been said about iron ore 212 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 3: at the moment, or coking coal for that matter, which 213 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: is the coal that's used for steel making as opposed 214 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 3: to coal that's used in power stations. But they are 215 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 3: seemingly putting on the list a big slow down on 216 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 3: thermal coal. 217 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 5: Also, I think too with the wine makers, you know 218 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 5: where their industry has been hit with a nearly three 219 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 5: hundred percent tariff and there's a lot of internal pressure 220 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 5: apparently in China from their own domestic wine producers that 221 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 5: don't produce anywhere near the product, but they're saying, you know, 222 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 5: you're letting this Australian wine in and they're not able 223 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 5: to be competitive against and especially pricing wise, So the 224 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 5: tariff was put into place. So we're not always aware 225 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 5: of what internal pressures have been pushed around domestically in 226 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 5: China from as they as they grow and as they 227 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 5: get stronger industries over there. 228 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine, 229 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: it is the big issues and you can sell your 230 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: home in five weeks with Simon watts from Real Estate Central, 231 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: or he will refund one hundred percent of all your 232 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: marketing costs. Go the What's Way, that is whatsway dot 233 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: net for details. Well, I'm not sure if you heard 234 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: a little earlier this morning we caught up with the 235 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: Community and Public Sector Union's anti regional secretary Kay Densley 236 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: and discuss the fact that unions have really made their 237 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: view quite clear on the government announcing that wage freeze. 238 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: The plans for a wage freeze. 239 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: They did have about fifty people rally on the stairs 240 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: of Parliament House yesterday from the Australian Education Union, the 241 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: United Workers Union, Electrical Trade Union and the Australian Nursing 242 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: and Midwiffree Union. Apparently they all gathered to really voice 243 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: their concerns about this pay freeze. Now. I spoke to 244 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: Kay Densley on the show earlier. She said that they 245 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: have written to the Chief Minister. They're trying their has 246 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 1: to try and sit down with him and talk this 247 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: through to this stage though to no avail, I mean, 248 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: is it strange that the Chief. 249 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Minister is not prepared to meet with the unions, do 250 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: you think, Hailey? 251 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, con Haley, Comrade Haley I think one of them. 252 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 4: I think what the unions do, and as a former 253 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 4: unionist and. 254 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 5: I don't work for the anymore, and you get your 255 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 5: right of entries taken. 256 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 4: Off you as well. 257 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 3: So it's not only the birthplace for labor politicians, it's 258 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: also the burial place. 259 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 5: I was going to say, David used to Dave used 260 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 5: to work for the super funds. So you just got 261 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 5: to make sure he is upfront and honest about where 262 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 5: he used to get a living from before he became 263 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 5: a liberal. 264 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 4: But anyway, we won't go into that with David. 265 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 5: The fact of the matter is that the unions will 266 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 5: represent their members and the secretaries, no doubt that there's 267 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 5: always going to be argie bargie between the unions and 268 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 5: the government of the day, whether it's Labor or Liberal, 269 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 5: and the secretaries of the unions up here and the organizers, 270 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 5: they're fundamentally will be representing the interests of their members, 271 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 5: and their members are probably up in arms over the 272 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 5: decision that the Chief Minister and the government's made. 273 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: What side of the what side of the Labor Party 274 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: does does Michael Gunner sittor. 275 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 3: Michaels that's probably my question for him to Michael was. 276 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 4: Michael was aligned to Unity through the SDA. 277 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: So you look at the right side of the party 278 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: for those non comrade is the shop. 279 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 5: T WU, the a w U, and that's where Michael 280 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 5: initially sat. But when he became leader, like a lot 281 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 5: of the leaders do, they un aligned. They don't sort 282 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 5: of get too much into the factional politics and they'll 283 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 5: sit more in the middle. 284 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: Correct to think that that the unions are no longer 285 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: supporting him. 286 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 4: No, that wouldn't That wouldn't be the case of all? 287 00:14:59,080 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: Is that aligned? 288 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: Is that? 289 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: What do you reckon? 290 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 5: Even even a fight with Michael Gunner between the unions 291 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 5: and Michael Gunner and the Labor Party is way better 292 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 5: option than dealing with the liberals every day as a 293 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 5: government for the union movement. 294 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 4: So you need to the problem with the. 295 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 5: Unions is when the liberals are in the liberals actively 296 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 5: getting little rooms and Dave's been in the rooms and 297 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 5: they try to work out ways of stuffing up the 298 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 5: unions right, undermining the unions, affecting their membership. But it 299 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 5: actually by doing that it plays into the union's hands 300 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 5: because it makes it more effective and easier when you've 301 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 5: got the government belting you up. So the Labor Party 302 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 5: doesn't sit around the rooms. 303 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 4: The Labor Party, let. 304 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 5: Me finish, the Labor Party doesn't sit around in rooms 305 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 5: thinking up ways of hurting their supporter base. 306 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: So is this a warrior at the moment or is 307 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: everybody just sort of playing whip service. 308 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 4: No, there's always going to be argie bargie, and there's 309 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 4: politics at play and all this sort of stuff. And 310 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 4: it's the first term of a four year term. 311 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 5: And of course, and the fundamental while the union movement 312 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 5: underpins the Labor Party, the Labor Party is the political wing, 313 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 5: and the unions of the industrial wing. They don't always 314 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 5: see why do I? And the unions should always put 315 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 5: their members before the Labor Party, and that's what this 316 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 5: group of unions are doing, as they should. 317 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,359 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's just a demonstration of sort of moronic, 318 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 3: you know, out of touchness. I mean, these people, you know, 319 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 3: how irresponsible can you get? Bay, we got an eight 320 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 3: billion dollar debt. You know they should be in their 321 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 3: slap and gunner on the back and saying, thank god 322 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: you haven't sacked five thousand of us. You know, that's 323 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 3: the real I mean, that is the reality. And you 324 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 3: got these idiots sitting there. All right, all be it. 325 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: It's only fifty of them, but it's a demonstration of 326 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 3: the mentality of the leadership of the unions that they 327 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: lead fifty people up there to complain about, you know, 328 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: the fact that they've got jobs. I mean, most people 329 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 3: have lost jobs all over the place in the private sector. 330 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: But these people are so out of touch. I think 331 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 3: they can go and protest and whatnot and carry on 332 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 3: about the fact that their rages have been frasen for 333 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 3: a little while. The reality is we got eight billion 334 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 3: dollars worth of debt. The biggest bill we've got is 335 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: the public service. Everybody knows we've got more public servants 336 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 3: than we need. Bureaucracy is just out of hen in 337 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 3: the Northern Territory. Nothing can happen fundamentally. It's because we've 338 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: got too many public servants. And these morons are sitting there. 339 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 3: Instead of saying thank you to Michael Gunner for trying 340 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 3: to find ways to keep them in jobs, they're out 341 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 3: there protesting. I just can't imagine anything more irresponsible. 342 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 1: In all my time, I've never thought that i'd hear 343 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: Dave Toland defend Michael Gunner. 344 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 3: When well I mean Michael Gunner. I think Michael Gunner 345 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 3: has been pretty damn weak in the fact that he 346 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: hasn't addressed the financial crisis in the Northern Territory. He's 347 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 3: done nothing, and in actual fact, everybody you know, he 348 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 3: talks about spurring on the economy by cutting red tape 349 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 3: and all of that sort of stuff. Meanwhile he leaves 350 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 3: twenty three thousand public servants to get in the way 351 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 3: of business. You know, it's just wrong, it's just completely 352 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 3: public servants. 353 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 4: Did you move along when. 354 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 3: You're treasurer the public service? And I got to say 355 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 3: this was one of the great failings. The public service 356 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 3: grew by one hundred and twenty over the four years 357 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 3: that we were in government, right, which is as good 358 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 3: as a public service freeze. Now I would have liked 359 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 3: to see a reduction in public servants, but it was 360 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 3: a little bit difficult at the time. We couldn't even 361 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 3: do the most menial belt tightening before everybody was carrying 362 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 3: on like crazy. You know, Manison was banging on about 363 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: slash and burn. She still talks about slash and burn. 364 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 3: There was nothing slashed or burnt in the previous c 365 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 3: or P governor's nuts. It was just a little bit 366 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 3: of belt tightening. But these people are so sensitive to 367 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 3: the public service that they just frazed their wages. And 368 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: instead of the Public service Union coming out and say 369 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 3: thank you, thank you for standing up for us, thank 370 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: you for trying to keep our jobs, they go out 371 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 3: and protest. I mean, how irresponsible is that. 372 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 5: It's an interesting situation as the week before the election 373 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 5: they were given a two and a half percent pay increase. 374 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 3: How much you can trust me, Michael and Indian giver 375 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 3: they used to call that back in the old days. 376 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 4: So and I think it's the wage freeze in regards. 377 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 5: Isn't a thousand dollars a year is what they're getting 378 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 5: instead of their incremental increase or whatever it might have 379 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 5: been two point three or two point five a year 380 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 5: to cover CPI or whatever whatever happens there. Look, at 381 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 5: the end of the day, as I say, you go 382 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 5: back to the original argument, Dave has taken an obvious position, 383 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 5: and he admitted that during his time in public service, 384 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 5: even though it only grew by one hundred and twenty, 385 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 5: it still grew. And how difficult it is that the 386 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 5: culture of there is a little bit of a culture 387 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 5: of entitlement in the Northern Territory, and I don't want 388 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 5: to go and upset the CPSU or upset the unions. 389 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 5: But you know, it is a public service type town. 390 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 5: You know, if you've got the public service on side, 391 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 5: as we saw in the vote through the northern suburbs 392 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 5: of Darwin, they'll go and vote for you. 393 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 4: Next time. 394 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: I just send us bankrupt. 395 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what, what a night to finish on. 396 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap up because it's 397 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: just two minutes away from eleven o'clock. 398 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: I believe this. 399 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 5: Shock and Simon Watson. I'm really disappointed for Simon because 400 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 5: he didn't get the leading. 401 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 4: That he deserves. For them, I had to prompt you 402 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 4: with s this show doesn't happen. 403 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: That's right, it's a great sign. 404 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 5: I'm just I'm just disappointed that Dave didn't do more 405 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 5: to cut the public servants. 406 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 3: I'd be disappointed you don't play more of those Darwood 407 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 3: Ship Store rats, you know, because they are always tuning in. 408 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 3: They're a big supporter of it. They're a big supporter 409 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: of your station here as well. 410 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 2: Well. 411 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: We make sure we are always sitting there side to me. 412 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 3: I go to the buff Club. Quite often they're always saying, oh, 413 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: Katie as good looking as she seems. 414 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 4: No doubt about that. 415 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 5: But I love too the stuff you played today very 416 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 5: good looking. The stuff you played today with Michael Dunner, 417 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 5: haven't it was. I was driving in and I like 418 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 5: it when Michael has a blow up. 419 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 4: My word, lazy. Lazy is the worst thing you can 420 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 4: call anyone in Australia. If I don't do something at home, 421 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 4: I get called lazy or it's the worst thing. It's lazy. 422 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 5: I think, guys, that girl's lazy, and it's just like 423 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 5: want to I don't want to be nicknamed lazy. 424 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: You are not lazy. There's no doubt. 425 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: Enjoy coming into the studio every week. And that's our 426 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: last big issues. 427 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 4: What we having a Christmas drink? 428 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,239 Speaker 2: Well, my boss did. 429 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 3: Actually, I was in search of rocking horse spit and 430 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 3: I think I've had more success getting a lunch out 431 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 3: of this Bailey's. 432 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 4: It has been a decade. 433 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 3: Peak Davies took us for one deer. I think it 434 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 3: was just shouting back. 435 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 4: Then, he said, when he said he had an important engagement, 436 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 4: he was straight out to the. 437 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: Past to get in trouble because we're about to go 438 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: over the news, so we're going to have to be 439 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: very fast. But thank you both very much for all 440 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: the time that you give up to be part of 441 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: the show each and every week, some of us more 442 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: often than othersidding you've got. 443 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 3: To contract to be sent through. I'm not coming in he. 444 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: See you both in the new year, and and thank 445 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: you by both so much for all your time this year. 446 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: We really appreciate it. 447 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 3: Again with you to Katie and and your listeners too well. 448 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 3: I get a lot of feedback around the community about 449 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 3: this show and it's it's good to still fun in 450 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 3: the waters. 451 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 5: Merry Christmas to everyone, Enjoy time with your family. Stay 452 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 5: safe on the roads please, you know, no crash. 453 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: Get in the hug. 454 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 4: I've actually I've actually trained trained myself to the minute 455 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 4: at Santa Claus this year. It's for the kids. 456 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 5: I'm absolutely fine tuned for Santa and then I'll go 457 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 5: off the grog and. 458 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: In the new year January, god on you guys, we'll 459 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: talk to you so, thank you very much. 460 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine. 461 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: It was the big issues