1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: I knew it was going to be living overseas, and 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: even whilst living overseas, I had a whole list of 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: countries that I want to. 4 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: Go to and so on and so forth, and so 5 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 2: I am a traveler. 6 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: And my argument is we went to boarding school. It 7 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: was stuglife might as well have been a hostel. But 8 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: my gosh, that's the most racist place that I grow 9 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: and the way that I was treated. 10 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 3: You really have honed in that idea that Africa is 11 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: not one country. 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm always always be careful those. 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 4: Hi. I'm Amanda and I'm Roumbi. Welcome to Slayered Podcasts. 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: We're under the Blackcast network, powered by iHeart and recording 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: in studio in Melbourne today. 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 4: He been a. 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: Sweet studio which is really really lovely for us. And 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 3: this lovely setup done by pink Lady Picnic. 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: And if you're wondering who this beautiful lady here who's 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: giving us Bridgerton, you know soft girl era vibes. 21 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: Is she understood the assignment. She overstood. She was like 22 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: a bit. 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this, you might want to watch 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: the video because it's just so Gordon, that so wonderful 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: to have you here, Charmaine a man. 26 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 5: Can you tell us a bit about Charmi. 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: Charmaine's an inclusion advocate, focusing on youth empowerment through mentoring 28 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: and coaching for both professional and personal development. She's a 29 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: skilled communicator, which we'll get into immedia Powis, who's further 30 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: demonstrated as being a host of a multi award nominated 31 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: Can We Talk About It podcast where she tackles pressing 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: issues affecting the Australian Black diaspora, which is why we 33 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: had to bring you on the pod because we know 34 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 3: you get it to get all the things. So Chamaine, 35 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: welcome to a podcast. 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you exciting. It's so so thrilled to 37 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 5: have you on here. 38 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: And before we delve deeper into a really fun topic, 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 1: we actually had started talking and then we actually christ 40 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: yeah because. 41 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 5: Exactly. 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: But before we do that, we'd love for you to 43 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: share with us with our audience how you would describe 44 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: your podcast and how you got into podcasting and what 45 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: led you to starting this podcast. Okay, yeah, So my 46 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: podcast essentially, it focuses on psychosocial issues that affect the 47 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: African Flian community and so it's aiming to sort of 48 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: shed light on some of the traumal topics that we 49 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: typically don't like to talk about because it's either we're 50 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: embarrassed about it or we actually don't even have a 51 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: safe space for us to talk about it. And this 52 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: was influenced through my work within the community because I 53 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: was having psyche conversations with a lot of people and 54 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: they all have similar grievances. And then we're like, well, 55 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: if you're having this problem and this other person who's 56 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: had the problem but then they found a solution to it, 57 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: why can't we talk to each other? And then so 58 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: I then created the platform talking about the different topics 59 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: and it's like very varied, like we have child brides 60 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: who talk about the experience, well, transracial adoptees. We have 61 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: also a mixed race experience as well, Like you know, 62 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: what does that look like growing up in a multiculture 63 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: of sohold in Australia Because for me, I came as 64 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: an expat right and economic migrants, so my finishy or 65 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: experience in Australia will be vastly different to someone who 66 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: grew up here. 67 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: Yes, but then there are a lot of people. 68 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: Who like the African Austrian community is so varied and 69 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: so people have different experiences. So it's bringing all those 70 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: people to talk about their journeys and their experiences and 71 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: how they relate to Australia and even to the term 72 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: African Australia because I know we are still an emerging 73 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 1: community where we don't exactly have like a set I did. 74 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: I think we're still developing that. And then so I'm 75 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: just testing out with the audience. So you know, what 76 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: what do they yeah, what do they resonate when someone 77 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: tells them that, oh, African Australian or would they consider 78 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: themselves Afganist? 79 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: You know, it's so funny because every time I listen 80 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: to your podcast, I'm like, you really have honed in 81 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: that idea that Africa is not one country, you know, 82 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 3: and I love that you have guests from everywhere, you 83 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: know what I mean. And I think people always seem 84 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 3: to forget that we're so accepting of Europe and Asia 85 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 3: to a large extent of being different or distinctly different, 86 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 3: you know, same thing but different. 87 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 4: But then with Africa, Oh yeah, Africa, yes exactly. 88 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: We're all just want you know, yes, yes, it's amazing. 89 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: Can I ask from the because we're Zimbabwean. I think 90 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: all three ladies here Zimbabwean. 91 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 5: I don't think. 92 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 4: I know. 93 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 5: We're all Zimbabwean. And I think that economic migrants is 94 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 5: a big for us. A lot of us can relate 95 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 5: to that. 96 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: What are some of the traumas you would see think 97 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: show up for us that. 98 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: Maybe we don't think we are. 99 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: Traumas or like we don't really think about it because 100 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: your life is quote unquote better here, you shouldn't really 101 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: have any issues, if that makes sense. I'm just curious, 102 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: you know, and for our audience to like know, and 103 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: then of course they need to listen to your podcast. 104 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 5: But I would love we need to share that well. 105 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: I would say our proximity, our proximity to whiteness. It's 106 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: something that we don't exactly unpack because even if I 107 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: think about it back home, you're feeling it right even 108 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: back home, the way that we sort of elevate whiteness 109 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: and then when we then come here, how we also 110 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: interact with this predominantly white environment, the way that we 111 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: conduct ourselves. It's uh yeah, it's something that it's an 112 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: interesting dynamic and you can even see it as well 113 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: with again, the African communities here came in different forms, right, 114 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: there are different avenues and pathways that they came here. 115 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: And so when you then hear their stories and their 116 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: experiences and then I reflect on my own, I was like. 117 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 2: Oh it's different. Yes, it's very very different, very varied. 118 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: And then so what I have identified is or even 119 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: like something that I didn't realize was important to me 120 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: but only when I came here, is when I saw 121 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: other African communities how connected they are to their Tinians. 122 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 4: Ye yeah, r so how do you do this? 123 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 3: Or like where you and do you know we actually 124 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 3: wear it as a badge of honor. Sometimes you're like no, no, no, actually, 125 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: and that's the myth. 126 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 4: That thing maturing is realizing that the joke was on 127 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 4: a fact literally fact. 128 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 5: Wow, thank you. 129 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: So I just think it's really good because I think 130 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: sometimes it's all our but your life is a better thing. 131 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: It's kind of punted and said over and over. But 132 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: it's like what at what costs? There's always a cost 133 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: benefit as soon as you are uprooted from where you 134 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: come from, where, whether it's a safe space or not, 135 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: there's something you lose. 136 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, even if you're definitely there's a pay off, right 137 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: because yeah, people will be like, ah, you're Zimbabwean. You're 138 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: not like and people try to make it sound like 139 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: oh you're the you know, the good black. 140 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 4: Or you're like, yes, oh my god, unpacked that I. 141 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 5: Just don't make you feel uncomfortable. 142 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, we could go on, but let 143 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: me know, I just thought you did departos departos there. 144 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: You know, like obviously we talk now we're in a 145 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: soft girl era. We're trying to like because I think 146 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: we we when we leave zim you come here with 147 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: the survival kind of mindset where you're like, I have 148 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 3: to make it work. I have to maybe, as we said, 149 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: assimilate and get a job, do all those things. But 150 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,119 Speaker 3: now I think as you live here for longer and longer, 151 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: you start to let go of some of that those 152 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: I guess hardships that you felt in the beginning of 153 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: your journey. And now we're going to talk about traveling, 154 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: and obviously all of us here I love to travel, 155 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: we want to see the world. Fun fact, we're all 156 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: going to meet again in Thailand. 157 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 4: You know, so people you're gonna be saying us gets 158 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 4: of us. 159 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 3: You know, this is a solf launch being, you know, 160 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: but you know, obviously celebrating love, we're selling birthdays, but 161 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: at the core of it, we're also doing something that 162 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: maybe even our own mothers and now the generations before 163 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: us didn't get to do. How do you best describe traveling, 164 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: especially as a black woman. 165 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: So for me, travel has always been within my family 166 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: because my grandmother actually lived in the UK for eight 167 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: years when she was young, and she's one of the 168 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: first nurses to be trained through the British the British system, 169 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: and so they got a cohort of young women to 170 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: go and train in the UK, and so she did that. 171 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: And so for me have always wanted to travel. And 172 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: I knew that I was never going to like settle 173 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: in Zimbabwe. I knew it was going to be living overseas, 174 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: and even whilst living overseas, I had a whole list 175 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: of countries that I want to go to and so 176 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: on and so forth, and so I'm a traveler. I've 177 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: traveled to thirty six countries so far, and talent is 178 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: actually that's going to be my first time being entirely. 179 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 3: For that. 180 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: But what I found so liberating about traveling is seeing 181 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: different cultures and then also reflecting on my own culture. 182 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: As well, and then even understanding the narratives that they 183 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: have about Africa and how we view them as well, 184 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: the voyeurism of it all as well. So it's equally interesting, 185 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: fascinating and also frustrating because like, I see how they 186 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: have preserved a lot of their cultures and a lot 187 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: of their traditions, especially in the Western cultures, and even 188 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: the way that they have a lot of the artifacts 189 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: our own artifacts. 190 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 4: Looking at you when you go British that a bit. 191 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 4: Can we talk about that please? 192 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: And someone nicely say that the British Museum they have 193 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: stuff in storage, the stuff you see, they even because 194 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 3: then they can do seasonal work. They can do so 195 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: I think they got stuff on, stuff on. 196 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 5: Stuff, like literally you go into it. 197 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: I never get. We're in Vienna with friends of mine 198 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: and we went to some museum and the Egyptian collection 199 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: was so massive. We were like, what did the Egyptians have? 200 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 4: Bro like, what have you? 201 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: Like? 202 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: Insane? Insane, insane. And that's why they said, when rip 203 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: Queen e but give us back our dynasms, because that's 204 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: absolutely first of all, the shade of having Africa underground. Yeah, 205 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: at the British Museum, and then you're seeing all the 206 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: different artifacts, like you know, the Benin bronze, and they're 207 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: like like there, and I'm like, well, why why do 208 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: you so hold on to this and everything? And I 209 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: think also that's probably why you know, we kill. 210 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 5: Monger when in black that's not the villain. 211 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: You get to really understand and appreciate, or rather we 212 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: understood it on a deeper level because we've lived that, 213 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: and we see how our cultures are portrayed and you know, 214 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: adapted to other cultures without our own consent or even 215 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: our own narratives, and sometimes our narratives are erased. 216 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 4: So true and scary. 217 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: So now if we've established thirty six countries, that's a 218 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: whole lot of count okay. And I think you know, 219 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: if you are on socials, we see there's like travel 220 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: noir black girls who travel all these platforms and really 221 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: they are a resource tool for other black women to 222 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: see where they feel safe traveling, where they feel safe 223 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: traveling alone, so on and so forth. So but we 224 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: also know like being American or British is different to 225 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: being of Zimbabwe heritage and traveling or do you understand? 226 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: So I think it's great that you've traveled so extensively, 227 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: and we'd love to hear from you. Which are the 228 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: countries you felt the safest when you traveled and also 229 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: the most unsafe and why, Like, can you tell us 230 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: a bit about that, Like if you're a. 231 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 5: Friend, was like, Okay, I'm trying to go somewhere. Where 232 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 5: should I go? 233 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 4: Where will I be safirst? 234 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 5: What's the best experience for a black women? 235 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 4: Yeah? 236 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: So for me with the travel advice, you know that 237 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: it is often seen on the I always do the 238 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: opposite because I realized that the way that they're portraying 239 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: or viewing the be it warning or concerns in that country, 240 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: I have a completely different experience. So, for example, there's 241 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: no travel advice for Italy, but my gosh, it's the 242 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: most racist place that I've grow and the way that 243 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: I was treated was just I remember, I mean youautiful 244 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, beautiful culture, beautiful food, you know, beautiful scenery, 245 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: but the people. Yeah, I always have second thoughts, Like 246 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: I've revisited other places Italy, I have not gone back 247 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: simply because I actually don't feel safe in Italy. 248 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 5: Can you share a little bit of like what that 249 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,599 Speaker 5: experience was like or what you felt like if you 250 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 5: if you're comfortable if not, so like the rudeness even 251 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 5: within the streets, even when you go into stores, you 252 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 5: actually get monitors. 253 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: I remember we were checking into a hotel and then 254 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: you know, they didn't. 255 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 2: Believe that we could afford to be insaid hotel. 256 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 4: Like are you lost? 257 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: Exactly, I'm not, like, Wow. 258 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 2: What are you talking about? 259 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: Literally, and so incidence is like that, or even like 260 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: when you're in the street and then you know, people 261 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: just feel like they can just shove you simply because 262 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: like or get out of my way kind of thing, 263 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I'm a tourist. Yeah, you know, 264 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: is this how you treat visitors in the country. So yeah, 265 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: it was really and it was predominantly within the city 266 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: eras when I went to like remote villages or remote 267 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: towns like I went to see it was beautiful and 268 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: people were very accommodating and there were you know, it 269 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: was it was. 270 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: Very exciting in that sense. 271 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: But I guess, yeah, in the main cities it was 272 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: just yeah, I wouldn't be in a rush to go back. 273 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 5: To Okay, okay making notes making. 274 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 4: And which one which kindry did you feel the most 275 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 4: safe in? 276 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: Honestly, when I was in South America, I felt like 277 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: I was at home. Regardless of where I was. I 278 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: loved Columbia. Oh my gosh. I really felt like I. 279 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 4: Was at home. 280 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: And I hate that I didn't end up going to 281 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: Katna because the travel advice to Kata Henah is don't go, 282 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: but then. 283 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: That's all the black people are. 284 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 5: And I'm like, Henah made in. 285 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: I wish i'd gone there, but because I then followed 286 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: the trouble advice and I'm like, no, I actually would 287 00:14:58,880 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: have been much safer. 288 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 4: Very we don't one of us. 289 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: That actually is what was happening. 290 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 3: And I when I went to Brazil, I felt like 291 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: they're like speaking Portuguese, are like sorry, sorry. 292 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: I have a colabor friends and she was like yeah, 293 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't realize how many like 294 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: black columbis such a and she's like yeah, I get 295 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, so yeah, some America I felt 296 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: at home, where whether I was in Peru and Bolivia, 297 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: Argentina was an interesting experience, like it wasn't racist, but 298 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: because they're like the most European but it wasn't racist, 299 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: but also at the same time, I felt a little 300 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: bit uncomfortable because. 301 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: I couldn't see another black people. 302 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: So it was just like I'm pretty sure, like I've 303 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: been everywhere else I see people, how come here is 304 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: so European And I mean they pride themselves in that right, 305 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: in being very centric. 306 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 307 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: I have a friend from Mexico and she's like, you know, 308 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: we see Mexicans on TV and we're like, that's not 309 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: how we look. Most of them have very eurocentric white features. 310 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: They're the ones i'd get on like the TV, the 311 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: shows and all that. But if you see an average person, 312 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: they don't look like that. And it's crazy how you know, 313 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: only they are put in the lights so media guys. 314 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what you say about Australia too, that when 315 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 3: you came. 316 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: Like so many Asians, so many like literally because like 317 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: I guess I just. 318 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 5: Assumed Amanda is like one of the very few. 319 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: But it's so diverse and it keeps like hitting me 320 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: and I think you guys maybe getting more used to it, 321 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: and obviously it's not like the UK diverse or something, 322 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: but I was just like, oh my gosh, why do 323 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: we not see this? Like I remember walking through Chinatown 324 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, it's such and 325 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: the food, the cuisine. For me, that was a tell 326 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: sign like you have such range of cuisine as well. 327 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 5: So you guys are I mean, you're like media does, but. 328 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 4: The media doesn't match up to it. 329 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 3: It does, but do you come here and expect to 330 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 3: see the Chris Himsworth type? 331 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: Right? 332 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 4: So then Maggie, Margot, Robbie like that Bobby you know, 333 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 4: and it's like that's not the. 334 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 5: But it's actually a blessing. 335 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: I take it as like such a refreshing thing because 336 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: I was telling Amanda we went to the mall and 337 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: I was like seeing just people, different groups, young people, 338 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: friendship groups, mixed and all that. I was like, that 339 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: is what we want to see more of because the 340 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: world is really moving in that direction. 341 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 5: So kudos to you for doing the work because I 342 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 5: know a show. 343 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 4: What do you enjoy the most about traveling? 344 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: Do you think I'm a curious person? So I really 345 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: enjoy just being around different people. And even when I 346 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: when I travel, yes, I go to the tourist places, 347 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: but also go to where the locals are, yeah, because 348 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: I feel like I have a better experience. Then get 349 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: to get to know, like what what is what's a 350 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: day in the life be it's a local Parisian because 351 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: Paris is all another but you see what, like, for example, France, 352 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: that I realized is if you go regional like. 353 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 2: Other places, it's actually really really nice. 354 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: So like I went to Leon and I absolutely loved it, 355 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, next time I come to France, 356 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm not going to. 357 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: Do Paris places. 358 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: So I enjoy yeah, eating like a local, going to 359 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: shop with a local shop, and just seeing what life 360 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: would look like, you know, in that sense, and through 361 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: that experience, I actually absolutely fell in love with Portugal. Listen, 362 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: I love it. We went and then we spend a 363 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: few days. After this, I was like, I just it's amazing. 364 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: The way my skins when I was. 365 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: Yes, I know I can tend, but I've never hand 366 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: like this is I was golden and I was just like, 367 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I love this. And the people are 368 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: great and they're not overbearingly like we're so nice, but 369 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: they kind of just like we'll respect you, will give 370 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: you good. 371 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 5: Service you need to do, and you get on with 372 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 5: your life. 373 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 374 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: Very And I think there is a bit more of 375 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 3: a mounting pot than there is in other places in Europe. 376 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 3: So it's not like when they look at you like 377 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: as a black girl, like yeah, so true. 378 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember I was asking myself, why does this 379 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: place feel so homey? And then I remembered the you know, 380 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: the history of you know that peninsula, the moors, you 381 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: know that were coming across going to Europe, they traveled through. 382 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: That was the gateway, and so that's why it's so 383 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: malticultural and people are still commodating. And then so it 384 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: just felt I felt really even though I don't speak 385 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: the language, but still I was like, I think I 386 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: can you know, I think I can live here. 387 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 4: And there's actually a lot of expensive a. 388 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: Lot, and I think they incentivize digital nomads. I know 389 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: my sister has a friend who the digital nomad. There incentivize 390 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: people to go live there and work for there, so 391 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: I think they're really trying to encourage that. 392 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe is anything that you dislike when you're traveling 393 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: that you're like, rather not have I. 394 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: Have a list, but please go first. Oh well let's 395 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: see inas. Much as I enjoy solo travel, I also 396 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: appreciate the benefits of traveling with someone, but always travel 397 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: with everyone has to be right someone and sometimes that's 398 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: that's hard to try and find someone who has like 399 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: a similar travel style team. 400 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 5: I was gonna ask, what's your style of travel? 401 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: So me, I do like a little luxury, but also 402 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: the same time like I'm not going to be like 403 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: five style nothing else. 404 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I really love BOUTI Hotels. 405 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 5: I am you Okay. 406 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 4: I think I introduced my husband to. 407 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: Cotels because he's like, like, I'm used to backpacking or whatever. 408 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm no. 409 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 5: Story on tv BTV Festival Live podcasting. 410 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: So one of the questions we asked the crowd was like, 411 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: are you guys backpackers or like nah, like yes or 412 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: no backpacking? Everyone was like green light, like yes, yes, yes, 413 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: and then not me going and mad. She was like, look, 414 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: and my argument is we went to boarding school. 415 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 4: It was stug life. 416 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 5: Might as well have been a hostel, you know, so 417 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 5: we've done that. 418 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: If we've done that, I was in quiet and just 419 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: go on quiet tour and at university and you'd like 420 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: stay in hostels, backpackers, I've done all that. 421 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 4: I'm good. 422 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: And then I'm like I don't want to be impractical 423 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: and say like I want to know you finding gold 424 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: up my ass or something like that. No, but I 425 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: just wanted to feel really good, unique and like home, 426 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: but not exactly like I like my comforts. I do 427 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: take the public transport though, when I can, when I 428 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: I just like again trying to sort of live like 429 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: a local. So I do take a lot of public 430 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: transport when I'm when I'm around certain places. 431 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 4: You know. 432 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: The saddest thing for me is more accessibility of traveling 433 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: around Africa. Fact like I'm so keen to see more. 434 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 3: But then like I remember, we went from Harad to 435 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: Mauritius and like it took us like almost a whole day. 436 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 4: And then you look at the It's Burg, Johannesburg. 437 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 3: Why did this take Like you know, they're not that 438 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 3: far from each other, but it's just the logistics. And 439 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: then of course it's privilege associated with traveling, undeniably so, 440 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 3: but that's where Europe is just so like you can 441 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 3: see so many countries in such a short amount of time, 442 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 3: easily easier, and it's just I can't wait to get 443 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 3: that day where Africa could be on that same. 444 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: My conspiracy theory is they do not want us to 445 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: be so easily connected, because if we are easily connected, 446 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: we are more united. If we're more united, we will 447 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: protest a lot of things and stand up against a 448 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: lot of things like them jewels they kept taking and whatnot, 449 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,479 Speaker 1: and who would want that? Because we need to suffer 450 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: so others can thrive. But that's not the conversation. I agree, 451 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: that's why there's a lot of underfunding or there hasn't 452 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: been any investment with the infrastructure, because if we had 453 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: better infrastructure, then we'll be able to self sustain, self 454 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: determination and self subtitlance. Why would we need the World Bank? 455 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 2: Exactly? 456 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: Lit? 457 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 4: Can we talk about it? 458 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: But I did hear that Ghana is opening up where 459 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: you don't need Some African countries no longer need visas 460 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: to go if it's all. But I know they opened up. 461 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: I haven't fully investigated that, which is a move. 462 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 4: Listen. 463 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: I think there's there's some positive improvements that are happening 464 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: in certain regions, especially in Western enough. Yes, I think 465 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: about what's happening in the Friends. 466 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 4: Yeah that okay. 467 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: Naming, yeah absolutely, And you know, my my hope is 468 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: that and again they've got young leadership, and my hope 469 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 1: is that you know, the wider population actually take that 470 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: to their strides and actually supports the regime even though 471 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: yes it's military and you know, there's been a whole 472 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: historical issue with that, but we also know why it 473 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: was like that, and so we're hoping that that has 474 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, created some sort of winds of change, not 475 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: like how there was the Arab Spring, you know, African spring, 476 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: just getting rid of all these other you know, people 477 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: in power who are basically puppets, absolutely, and so that 478 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: we can have a bit more self determination and self 479 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: empowerment able to travel, like I would love to do 480 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: a tour across Africa, but it's very difficult and challenging. 481 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: And ah, there's an influencer that I absolutely love because 482 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: she literally does it like on a shoestring budget and 483 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: taking like you know be its like the be to 484 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: the Combies or you know, or you know, relying on 485 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: other people to live in other people's homes. And it's 486 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: so poppy. So the Puppy Show her name is Poppy Sea. 487 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: Oh oh yes, yes, yes, impressed. She really enlightened me. Again, 488 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: it's not going to be your bout yeah yeah, but 489 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: if you want to, she's basically saying you can, yeah, 490 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: but just showing how she's going about. Oh, the book 491 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: you got me Amanda, I forget her name. The trap 492 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: I started going through that I was just I was 493 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: getting so sad. I was like, with my ziom passport, this. 494 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 5: Is a whole other. 495 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 4: American. 496 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she hasn't American American. Can I ask you, Chanmayne, 497 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: what are some of the misconceptions or prejudices you have 498 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: found along the journey of traveling as a black woman 499 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: on your I mean I have many and I can share, 500 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: but I just think it's really good we talk about 501 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: this because we've just mentioned passport. So there's password privilege, 502 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: of course, but what other experiences do you have or 503 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: prejudices or misconceptions do you find as traveling as a 504 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: black woman. I think, well, definitely, speaking English puts me 505 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: at a great advantage in a lot of countries compared 506 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: to like if someone is Francophone, yes, you know, speaks 507 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: another language. 508 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: And yeah, password privilege. It's real. 509 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: Like, hey, I got my Australian citizenship and as soon 510 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: as literally it's so funny, as soon as I got 511 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: my passport, I got my citizenship. Immediately after the ceremony, 512 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: I went to the passport office and then I went 513 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: to collect my passport on my way to airport. 514 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 4: Wow. 515 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 5: Wow, that's incredible because like I got it. 516 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 2: Now the world. 517 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 4: Explore exactly. 518 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 5: It's a different ballgame, yu. 519 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 4: Yeah. 520 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: And then I think also, I mean something that you 521 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: don't often talk about, but I am more desired when 522 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm oversea. 523 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 4: Let's talk about all that there. 524 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: I actually am desirable where you know, people actually attracted 525 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: and you know, you forget that, right. 526 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 2: Especially when living in Australia. 527 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: Hey, you sometimes forget you know, you start doubting your 528 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: own self worth and stuff and you think, oh, maybe 529 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: there's something wrong with like no babes. There's nothing wrong 530 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: with you, just in the wrong environment, you know. 531 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: You know, I got a fun story about this actually, 532 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: Like a friend of mine and I were like, you know, 533 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: old Cup is coming in Brazil, let's go, you know 534 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 3: why not? So it went without two other male friends. 535 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: But I'm on that journey that whole because it passed 536 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 3: by zim sly when we were circling the whole journey, it. 537 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 4: Was like, what's in the water because that just like 538 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 4: was that you I. 539 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 3: Like, literally when I came back met my husband three 540 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 3: months later, but I think I kept that energy. 541 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 4: My head was held up when I left. 542 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 3: I wasn't even expect It was just more like, oh, 543 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: let's just go what do this is going to have 544 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 3: fun and experience it. We missed out on South Africa. 545 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 3: That was our thinking we're applying for. We were like 546 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 3: in the trenches of getting our lives together when South 547 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 3: Africa happened, So let's go to the next one in 548 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 3: Brazil and the way we were so desired. 549 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 4: It just lit up something able. 550 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: I walk with my head, yeah, and I just I'm 551 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: just different. 552 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 5: I just feel so different, a lighter exactly. 553 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: Though. Yes, some of it is you know, objectification, you 554 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: know that kind of thing, but it's still it's just 555 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: it's just a different receipt. 556 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely, thank you. 557 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 5: Look, I think time is running with such a good chat. 558 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: Before we do wrap up and go, we wanted to 559 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: ask you of any upcoming projects in twenty twenty five 560 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: and tell us about where people can find your podcast 561 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: you and follow you your journey. 562 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 5: Please let the people know. 563 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: Yes. 564 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: Well, so I've essentially what I've done during the holidays, 565 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: I've consolidated everything that I've done into a brand. So 566 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: my brand is Safe Space Media, okay, and what we 567 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: do is we amplify diverse narratives. So when we do 568 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: that through workshops, events, media productions like my podcast and 569 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: so yes, it's gonna be so much. It's going to 570 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: be happening through my brand and one of the upcoming 571 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: projects that are happening, we're gonna have a blackout event 572 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: to the theater for TEENA the musical, So we're going 573 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: to have an exclusive experience, Red Puppets, you know, everyone 574 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: I want to address to their nights and then just celebrate 575 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: Tina because what people don't realize or maybe not appreciate, 576 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: is that to the musicals problem, the first musicals with 577 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: majority black cast and so it's such a big thing, 578 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: but I think people are not fully aware the gravit 579 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 1: task of exactly and even like Tina, we grew up 580 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: with Tina. 581 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 5: So yes, I have that. 582 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: That's coming up on February fifteenth, sorry, the thirteenth, thirteenth, 583 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: and then we've got the Amari Gala coming out dates 584 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: to be announced real soon. Yeah, we're celebrating black excellence 585 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: here in Australia. 586 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 5: So first off, it's a kind. 587 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: Event and you know, I'm really looking forward to that 588 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: because again it's another opportunity for us to celebrate our 589 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: blackness here in Australia and with all the diverse cultures 590 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: that are there, and also celebrating young people because I 591 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: think sometimes we're never you know, we're trying to strive 592 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: to get our jobs done. 593 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 2: On and so forth. 594 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: Young people also have to realize, especially like young people 595 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: grew up here, they don't exactly have like a visual 596 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: representation of what that excellence looks like. And so I 597 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: aim to do that amplifying BID through Incubate Foundation and 598 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: all the other initiatives that I do. So yeah, I 599 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: think those are the two main things in the first 600 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: half of the year, and then there's going. 601 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 2: To be so much more this we don't. 602 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely stay tuned and where can we find you 603 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: on socials if we want to keep up? So on 604 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: social so my brand is on safe Placemedia dot au 605 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: and then my personal Instagram is Harry Underscore and yeah, 606 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: I think those and you can find me on LinkedIn, 607 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: so I mean you can google my. 608 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 3: Name and put it all on the show notes, so 609 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 3: you'll be able to follow. 610 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: My name and then you can see all the different 611 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: things that I've been involved, other different projects that I've done. 612 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 5: So yeah, that's it is so fun. 613 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: Thank you. 614 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 5: I felt honored to being part of this. And that's 615 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 5: another episode of Man. 616 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for tuning in guys, and see 617 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: you on the next one. 618 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 2: Bye.