1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Already and this is the daily This is the Daily 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Wednesday, 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: the twenty ninth of October. I'm Emma Gillespie. 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm beliefit Simon's. 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump has once again refused to rule 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: out running for a third term, telling reporters. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 3: This week he would love to do it. 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: US presidents are restricted to a two term limit. 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 3: But could Trump change that? 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: Today we are going to break down what the US 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: Constitution says about presidential terms, the likelihood of anything changing, 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: and take a look at how Australia's system compares. 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: Emma, this is a conversation that I feel like has 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: come up a few times in relation to Trump. But 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: do you want to walk us through why we are 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: talking bout it today? What has happened this week? 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: Yes? So. 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump was speaking to reporters on his 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: plane Air Force one, on Monday. He was on his 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: way to Japan and reporters on board asked him about 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: the possibility of running for a third term, so that 23 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: would be in twenty twenty eight. 24 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 3: Here is what he said, I would love to do it. 25 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: I have my best snubbers. Ever, it's very terrible. I 26 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: have my best snubb receipt. 27 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: You read it. Am I not. 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: Ruling it out. You'll have to tell me. 29 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: All I can tell you is that we have a 30 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: great group of people which stay dout bye. 31 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: They He's talking about the Democrats, and that great group 32 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: he described includes Vice President j. D. Vance and the 33 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: current Secretary of State Marco Rubio. 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: And this isn't the first time that Trump has floated 35 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: this idea, right. 36 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: Not at all. In fact, far from the first time. 37 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: Trump has actually repeatedly teased this idea of a third term, 38 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: even since before he won a second presidential term. So 39 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, that was during his first term as president, 40 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 2: he commended Chinese President Jijinping for being a quote president 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: for life, adding that maybe we'll give that a shot someday. 42 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: So this goes all the way back to then. At 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: a twenty nineteen rally, Trump told students chanting four more 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: years that they should be saying sixteen more years. And 45 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: more recently, he told NBC in April that there are 46 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 2: methods that could allow him to serve again, but he 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: didn't elaborate any further on what that would look like 48 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: he has an online merch site where you can buy 49 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: Trump twenty twenty eight hats and T shirts right now. 50 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: Really, that's your prerogative. I don't know that. 51 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: So you can buy Trump twenty twenty eight hats right now. 52 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: Yep, right now, if you go online to his store 53 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: and you want to do that. I'm not sure what 54 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: the shipping to Australia is like. And finally, Trump's former 55 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: White House chief strategist, a guy called Steve Bannon, who 56 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: you may remember, he said on a podcast this week 57 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: that quote, Trump is going to be president in twenty 58 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: eight and people ought to just get accommodated with that. 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: At the appropriate time, will lay out what the plan is. 60 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: But there is a plan, he said. 61 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: Wow, And I think we should explain why it's not 62 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: currently possible for Trump actually to run for a third term, 63 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: and also acknowledge that it's different here in Australia. You 64 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: can be Prime minister for however long you want, or 65 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: however long the public wants you to be the leader 66 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: of the country. Yes, but in the US it's actually 67 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: not legally possible. 68 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 3: Right now, yeap. 69 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: And that is per the US Constitution, which is very 70 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: clear on this there is an amendment in that Constitution, 71 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: the twenty second Amendment, which states, and I quote, no 72 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: person shall be elected to the office of the President 73 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: more than twice. This is an amendment that was formalized 74 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty one, and that was a few years 75 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: after President F. D. Roosevelt won an unprecedented third term 76 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: in nineteen forty followed by a fourth term in nineteen 77 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: five forty four. But before that, presidents had traditionally served 78 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: two terms, and the twenty second Amendment formalized that. It 79 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: enshrined that tradition into law. Just a quick note on 80 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: the Constitution and its importance or the reason it's so 81 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: significant in this case. It's basically the supreme law of 82 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: the Land of America. That's how it's described. So this 83 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: is a document that acts as the fundamental framework for 84 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: the US government the legal system, and also sets out 85 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: the guaranteed basic rights and freedoms of the American people. 86 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more on today's deep dive, 87 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: but first, here is a quick message from today's sponsor. So, 88 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: the Constitution explicitly forbids third term presidencies, but are there 89 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: any potential loopholes? 90 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: This has been the subject of a lot of scrutiny 91 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: and discussion in recent months, and there has been some 92 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: conversation about the exact wording. So the amendment says no 93 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 2: person shall be elected to the office more than twice, 94 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: but some legal scholars are asking whether there's a distinction 95 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: between being elected to the presidency and serving as president. 96 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: So I'll explain this through a theoretical scenario. And this 97 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 2: has been floated by some in the US. It's about 98 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: whether a two term president could actually become president for 99 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: a third term through the office of the vice president. So, 100 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: for example, if Trump ran for vice president in twenty 101 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: twenty eight, which legally he could, and he was elected 102 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: and he was serving with someone like JD. Vance or 103 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: Marco Rubio, if something happened to the president, Trump as 104 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: VP would then take over. That is how that role functions, 105 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: or if the president resigned on day one. So that's 106 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: a possible way that it could all play out. Trump 107 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: had previously said he was openly considering that option, but 108 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: when asked about it this week, he did rule that 109 00:05:59,279 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: plan out. 110 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 3: He called it quote too cute of an idea. 111 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: And I guess the obvious question is can the Constitution change. 112 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: Although if the US Constitution is anything like the Australian Constitution, 113 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: I imagine that is a very difficult process. 114 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: Yes, it is a difficult process. 115 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: It's difficult in different ways in the US Wich I'll explain, 116 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: But that is the only legitimate path for Trump to 117 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: secure a third term, and it would be extremely difficult 118 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: because amending the Constitution in the US requires support from 119 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 2: two thirds of the House of Representatives the lower house, 120 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: and two thirds of the Senate the upper house. 121 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: So basically you need more than. 122 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: A majority of politicians in both houses to support a 123 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: prospective amendment, which is incredibly rare. How rare it is 124 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: only twenty seven amendments have been added to the US 125 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: Constitution since it was written in seventeen eighty seven. That's 126 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: over more than two hundred and thirty years. Twenty seven amendments. 127 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: Wow. So it is different to how it works in 128 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: Australia because in Australia you need the public's approval, but 129 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: here you need Congress's approval. And just to explain a 130 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: little bit further, Republicans don't currently have two thirds control 131 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: of the House or the Senate, which is why that 132 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't be a likely option. 133 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: Exactly, and that's a kind of I suppose democratic protection 134 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: in the Constitution that it's not just about the government 135 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: of the day making a decision, but a significant majority 136 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: of elected officials contributing to that decision. 137 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: And so realistically, is there enough momentum around this idea 138 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: for it to happen? I imagine not. 139 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 3: Not really at this stage. 140 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that there aren't attempts happening within 141 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: Congress to secure an amendment to change this. So earlier 142 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: this year, a Republican Congressman by the name of Andy 143 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: Ogles introduced a resolution that would alter the twenty second 144 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 2: Amendment to allow presidents who serve two non consecutive terms 145 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: to run again. So under that plan, hypothetically Try could 146 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: complete this second term, he would be ruled out of 147 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: the next election, but would be eligible in the one 148 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: after that. But a few weeks after Ogles introduced that resolution, 149 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: we saw basically a counter resolution introduced by a Democratic 150 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: congressman by the name of Daniel Goldman. He introduced a 151 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: resolution to reaffirm the House of Representative support for the 152 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: twenty second Amendment and reaffirm that it quote prohibits President 153 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: Trump from running for president for another term, Goldman said 154 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 2: in a statement, the twenty second Amendment enshrines a fundamental 155 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: principle of our democracy. No president can serve for more 156 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: than two terms. So there is at the moment significant 157 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: political division going by just what these two opposing politicians 158 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: are doing and saying. 159 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 3: And the issue is highly unlikely. 160 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: To move in the coming months or years ahead of 161 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: that twenty twenty eight election. 162 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: But it is interesting that it is active conversation happening 163 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: right now. 164 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: Very much so. 165 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: And the more that Donald Trump makes comments like he 166 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: did this week saying he would love to run again, 167 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: you know, things happen in US politics that we never 168 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: expected to happen all the time. 169 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've mentioned a few times how it is 170 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: here in Australia compared to how it is in the US. 171 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: Do you want to explain that a little bit more 172 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: about how terms work here in Australia. 173 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, So our system is completely different. We don't 174 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: have term limits on individual leadership roles at all, because 175 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: in fact, we don't have the presidential system, so there's 176 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: no limit how long someone can serve as prime minister. 177 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 2: The prime minister isn't directly elected by voters. As we know, 178 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: you know, they are the leader of the party that 179 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: wins the most support, so you know, the leader of 180 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: Labor or the leader of the coalition who win the 181 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: majority of seats in the House of Reps, that is 182 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: who becomes the Prime minister. But you know, as we 183 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: have seen, our government terms don't dictate our prime minister terms. 184 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,599 Speaker 2: But as long as a leader of a party in 185 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 2: government maintains support, they can stay in that job indefinitely. 186 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 2: Our longest serving PM was Robert Menzies who served for 187 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 2: eighteen years. 188 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: That is a long time. 189 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a very long time, especially by today's measure. 190 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: And John Howard served for eleven years. So really there's 191 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: nothing from stopping that from happening. Again, it's just unusual 192 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 2: that we see that kind of tenure in our two 193 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: major parties when it comes to individual leaders. 194 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: One thing that is also different with Australia system is 195 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: that our terms for leaders for prime ministers is three 196 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: years as opposed to four years in the US. But 197 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: I know there's been a conversation about potentially changing that. 198 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 2: Yes, so our terms are three years, but that's how 199 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: long a government governs for, not necessarily how long a 200 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: prime minister. 201 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: Leads for yes. 202 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: So both Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi and senior coalition officials 203 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: have previously rest support for changing to four year terms. 204 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: The argument here is that three years is too short 205 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 2: of a window for governments to really set out long 206 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: term policy and to really enact those long term policies. So, 207 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: you know, a changing constant election cycle, politicians spend a 208 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: year organizing, a year implementing policy, a year campaigning. The 209 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: eye is always on the next polling day rather than 210 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: you know, the shift in legislation and governing. 211 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: And if that was to change, what would that process 212 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: look like for how to change it? 213 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 2: So here, a change like that would require a referendum, 214 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: and as we know, to succeed a proposal needs a 215 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,319 Speaker 2: majority of support in a majority of states. That old 216 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: chestnut that has proven to be very difficult in Australian history, 217 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: as we know. But I actually didn't know this until today. 218 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty eight, Prime Minister Bob Hawk put a 219 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: proposal to change to four year terms. Who a referendum, Surprise, surprise, 220 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 2: it failed. 221 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, how'd that go? 222 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: It actually performed really badly. Some of the lowest yes 223 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: votes in Australia's referendum history. This proposal received overall a 224 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: thirty three percent national yes vote, but it did not 225 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: achieve a majority in any state. 226 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: I wonder why why were people so opposed to it. 227 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: I don't know. 228 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: I think now that we have the example of four 229 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: year terms in the US, it's maybe changed the way 230 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: we think. And I guess because we've had a lot 231 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: of fluctuation in our politics domestically for the last twenty 232 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: odd years. But a recent news poll conducted for The 233 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 2: Australian shows there is about fifty one percent support here 234 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: in Australia for four year terms. I wouldn't call that 235 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 2: overwhelming public enthusiasm. And there's also a bit of a 236 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: headache that this could cause in the Senate. So Upper 237 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: House terms are currently double the length of Lower House terms. 238 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: Foreign Minister Pennyonong has argued eight year terms are too long, 239 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: so there is a fair bit to it that, you know, 240 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 2: maybe we just can't be bothered to. 241 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: Deal with it fair enough. 242 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 3: That would be. 243 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: Two very different systems with very different debates going on. 244 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for breaking that down, Emma, Thanks Billy. That's 245 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: all for today's deep dive. We'll be back this afternoon 246 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: with the headlines. Until then, have a great day. My 247 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda Bungelung 248 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: Caalcuttin woman from Gadigol Country. The Daily oz acknowledges that 249 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on the lands of the Gadighl 250 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait 251 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: Island and nations. We pay our respects to the first 252 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: peoples of these countries, both past and present.