1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Good morning everybody. Welcome to the Daily OS. It is Thursday, 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: the twenty fifth of November. To all our Bosnian listeners, 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Happy Independence Day. I feel like Teacher's Day comes around 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: a lot. It's actually teaches day today in Indonesia. 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: Only the third time this week. 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: Do we like this new day thing? I think we 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: like it. 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: Well, it's nice given that we can't hear what anyone 9 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: else says, so we'll just agree that we like it 10 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: and let us. 11 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: Know if you don't. Perfect now, Zara, it's going to 12 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: be a busy end to the week. In federal politics, 13 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: what are we expecting today in Canberra? 14 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: So we're expecting the Prime Minister Scott Morrison to today 15 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: introduce the government's Religious Discrimination Bill. So it is understood 16 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,639 Speaker 2: that he will personally introduce that which puts a lot 17 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: of weight behind this legislation and the Government says that 18 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: the bill is designed to ensure Australians are protected from 19 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: discrimination on the basis of religious belief. Equality Australia has 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: been among its critics, saying the bill quote threatens to 21 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: undermine inclusive workplaces, schools and access to services like healthcare. 22 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: In the Northern Territory, there were a eleven new cases 23 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen yesterday, bringing the current outbreak to fifty 24 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: one infections. Chief Minister Michael Gunner said one of the 25 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: cases was a woman who escaped the lockdown in Binjari 26 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: and traveled by taxi to Catherine. 27 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: Good news if you are waiting on a delivery. Australia 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: Post has announced it'll extend trading hours in more than 29 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: three hundred and eighty of its retail outlets across the 30 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: country to meet record demand in the month before Christmas. 31 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: More than ten million parcels are currently being delivered every week. 32 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: And Today's good news a story that went wild on 33 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: our Instagram yesterday. New Zealand has announced its three step 34 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: plan to reopen international borders next year. From eleven to 35 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: fifty nine pm on the sixteenth of January twenty twenty two, 36 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: fully vaxed Kiwis in Australia can travel to New Zealand 37 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: without needing to quarantine in a hotel. They still will 38 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: need to do seven days of self isolation. 39 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: As a government, we reject extremism in all of its forms. 40 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: We have one of the most cohesive societies in the world, 41 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: and protecting that cohesion from the threat of extremist groups 42 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: is a key priority of the Morrison government. 43 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: That was Federal Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews speaking yesterday 44 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: in Parliament announcing two new groups to be classified as 45 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: terrorist organizations in Australia. The first thing I wanted to 46 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: say when covering off this story is that this is 47 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: not a particularly unusual event for terrorist groups to be 48 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: added and taken off the list. However, it does indicate 49 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: where the concerns of our security agencies lie and what 50 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: the security agencies perceived to be the current threats. It 51 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: was interesting when Minister Andrews was speaking yesterday she actually 52 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: highlighted the fact that we're going to be gathering more 53 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: in large crowds and that could itself raise the risk 54 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: of Australia enduring a terrorist attack. There was lots of 55 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: information to break down with this announcement. What we thought 56 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: we'd do today is talk a little bit about what 57 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: makes a group a terrorist organized and what that classification 58 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: actually means in Australia. 59 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: The two organizations that were yesterday classified as terrorist organizations 60 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: were one a neo Nazi organization called the Base, and 61 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: two Elebanes Sheer political party and militant group called Hezbola. 62 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: So they'll now both be considered as terrorist organizations under 63 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: the Criminal Code. So what this means is that now 64 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: it is a criminal offense to be a member of 65 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: either of these two organizations. When she was speaking about 66 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: the rising activity and reported membership and recruitment in Australia 67 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: from the Base, which again was that neo Nazi organization, 68 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews said that she was aware 69 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: of activities within Australia and overseas and said that the 70 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: government was going to continue to monitor them and their activities. 71 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: She said they'd look closely at their membership and would 72 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: take action once they were fully listed under the Criminal Code. 73 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: Let's take one group at a time and break down 74 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of their activities. So the Base is 75 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: a near Nazi white supremacist group. It was founded in 76 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: the US and it's active across the US, Canada, Australia 77 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: and we've seen significantly more activity here in the last 78 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: year or two and South Africa. What appears to have 79 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: triggered authorities to become more concerned about the Base is 80 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: the fact that they are offering paramilitary training camps overseas 81 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: for their members and starting to become a more serious, 82 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: sinister threat in Australia. We've seen arrests of two base 83 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: members in the US just last month for planning a 84 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: lethal plot that didn't actually eventuate, But it falls into 85 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: that category of what AZO, our Australian Security Intelligence Organization 86 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: now says takes up about one third of its investigations 87 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: this far right extremism space. Then we have Hesbeler and 88 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: it's a little bit more complex with Hesbola. There's kind 89 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: of two arms to Hesbela. There's the political party and 90 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: the militon group. Now, the militant group has actually been 91 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: labeled a terrorist organization in Australia since two thousand and three. 92 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: What happened yesterday was the political of the organization, So 93 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: in essence, the entire organization is now designated a terrorist organization. 94 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: As to why the Australian government now made a decision 95 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: to include the entire organization in a designation of being 96 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: a terrorist organization, here's what James Patterson, the government's Chair 97 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: of Intelligence on the Security Committee, said on Sky News 98 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: yesterday about what changed within the organization. 99 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 4: It's a recommendation that the committee made after receiving very 100 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 4: clear evidence that his below is one organization. It's a 101 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 4: unity organization. It is run from the top by Hassan 102 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 4: ISRAELA and the Surer Council, which oversees all of its activities, 103 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 4: whether that's civilian or political activities or military or terrorist activities. 104 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 4: And the distinction that we drew between that ESO on 105 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 4: the one hand and the rist of the organization on 106 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 4: the other just doesn't stand up to scrutiny in the past, 107 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 4: that previous decision. That's a very welcome move today at 108 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 4: a broadened listing. 109 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: So what does this actually mean now for the members 110 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: of these groups in Australia. What impact will it have 111 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: on them to MA now that their membership is officially 112 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: an offense. Ultimately, what it means is that if a 113 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: person is found guilty of associating with a terrorist organization, 114 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: which now includes these two new bodies. Basically it means 115 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: if a person is found guilty of associating with one 116 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: of these organizations, including these two new ones, they're facing 117 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: three years in prison. And if they're found guilty of 118 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: being a member of these organizations it can be up 119 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: to ten years in prison. That's separate from any offenses 120 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: around actual acts of terrorism or events. This is simply 121 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: about being a member of the group. Different countries have 122 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: different interpretations of what being a member and what being 123 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: associated looks and feels like. For example, in the UK, 124 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: they specifically mention flags as a key way to measure 125 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: somebody's association or membership. The Australian law is not as 126 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: specific in the way that we describe membership and association, 127 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: but courts have been pretty quick to draw a link 128 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: between somebody's actions, especially online activity, and a clear association membership. 129 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: I'm really curious to know whether you think that the 130 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: timing of this announcement means that we should be alarmed, Like, 131 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: is there any indication that there is an imminent threat 132 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: from either of these two organizations or what do you 133 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: think the logic is behind designating these two organizations now? 134 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: Minister Andrews said yesterday that the current threat level in 135 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: Australia of a terrorist attack hasn't changed because of this announcement. 136 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: I would essentially look at it as kind of a 137 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: marking rubric where organizations can flow in and out of 138 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: being classified as particular things, So we don't really know 139 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: what messaging or particular activity tipped these two organizations across 140 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: the line for being designated as terrorist organizations. But the 141 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: way these things generally work is that the government is 142 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: given recommendations by AZO to say in our opinion, in 143 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: our expert opinion, these organizations now need to go up 144 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: a level in the way that we view them. There's 145 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: no more need for concern than there was at the 146 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: beginning of the week. This is simply just a progression 147 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: of the way that Australia handles its internal security. 148 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: If you have any other questions on this topic, of course, 149 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: let us know. Slide into our DMS and have a 150 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: chat with us. We'd love to hear from you. It 151 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: will be a big day in Parliament, as we mentioned 152 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: at the top of this bulletin, because we are expecting 153 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: to see the government's new legislation on religious discrimination. We'll 154 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: bring you all of that information and more tomorrow on 155 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: the Daily Ohs. Thank you so much for being here 156 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: today and appreciate your support.