1 00:00:10,204 --> 00:00:13,484 Speaker 1: My Heart podcasts, hear more Gold one on one point 2 00:00:13,524 --> 00:00:15,204 Speaker 1: seven podcasts. 3 00:00:14,604 --> 00:00:17,724 Speaker 2: Playlists and listen live on the Free iHeart app. 4 00:00:18,564 --> 00:00:22,323 Speaker 3: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation hear and She's Grooving. 5 00:00:22,404 --> 00:00:25,764 Speaker 1: Julia Zemiro is the queen of quick wit, of sharp suits, 6 00:00:25,764 --> 00:00:29,044 Speaker 1: of perfectly timed side eye. She's got a new show, 7 00:00:29,284 --> 00:00:31,324 Speaker 1: Crime Night. Julia. 8 00:00:31,444 --> 00:00:34,764 Speaker 3: Hello, Crime light exclamation mark if I may correct, please 9 00:00:34,844 --> 00:00:37,084 Speaker 3: let me have it. Yes, you're quite light. Mark makes 10 00:00:37,123 --> 00:00:40,163 Speaker 3: all the difference. This must have been a gift of 11 00:00:40,204 --> 00:00:40,604 Speaker 3: a show. 12 00:00:40,684 --> 00:00:43,284 Speaker 1: But with your character, Helen, how long did it take 13 00:00:43,324 --> 00:00:44,924 Speaker 1: to do the hair and get out of the hair? 14 00:00:45,004 --> 00:00:47,244 Speaker 3: Oh? It took our actual hair. Yeah, it was my 15 00:00:47,284 --> 00:00:50,884 Speaker 3: actual hair. It took an hour to do and a 16 00:00:51,043 --> 00:00:53,564 Speaker 3: beautiful makeup artists who I thanked in my LOGI speech 17 00:00:53,604 --> 00:00:55,884 Speaker 3: because without them I would be dead and it wouldn't 18 00:00:55,924 --> 00:00:57,364 Speaker 3: take that long to come out. They would do a 19 00:00:57,404 --> 00:01:00,484 Speaker 3: good tease and then you can untease carefully. So fifteen 20 00:01:00,484 --> 00:01:01,564 Speaker 3: minutes I was out of the chair. 21 00:01:01,564 --> 00:01:04,884 Speaker 2: Which is I like the menace that your character has. 22 00:01:04,964 --> 00:01:07,364 Speaker 2: There's a slight, there's a deal of menace and her 23 00:01:07,404 --> 00:01:10,284 Speaker 2: with a brother Ray yeh. I just the way they 24 00:01:10,404 --> 00:01:13,283 Speaker 2: run that business. And I've worked for people like that 25 00:01:13,804 --> 00:01:15,124 Speaker 2: brother and sister teams. 26 00:01:15,244 --> 00:01:17,604 Speaker 3: I reckon Kitty Just and her sister Penny, who wrote 27 00:01:17,644 --> 00:01:19,484 Speaker 3: it with her, and they just zoned in on that 28 00:01:19,644 --> 00:01:22,443 Speaker 3: small office shenanigans and all. 29 00:01:22,284 --> 00:01:25,563 Speaker 2: The politics, the minutia of the chocolate mudcake day, the 30 00:01:25,644 --> 00:01:27,804 Speaker 2: photo copy of the coffee cups. 31 00:01:27,804 --> 00:01:30,244 Speaker 3: And that great piece you played before, which is you know, 32 00:01:30,404 --> 00:01:32,724 Speaker 3: Roz just wants thinks you should do small talk all 33 00:01:32,804 --> 00:01:35,923 Speaker 3: day long. And Kitty Helen's like, why we said hello 34 00:01:36,004 --> 00:01:38,804 Speaker 3: this morning? We talked about our weekend, and I'm like, well, 35 00:01:38,804 --> 00:01:41,684 Speaker 3: there isn't a statute of limitations on saying hello, Helen. 36 00:01:42,004 --> 00:01:43,884 Speaker 3: You know, it's more that it's got to keep going. 37 00:01:43,924 --> 00:01:46,124 Speaker 3: So yeah, she's honed in on all those things. And 38 00:01:46,924 --> 00:01:49,804 Speaker 3: we had some great guests and Will's and Probate. I mean, 39 00:01:50,484 --> 00:01:52,324 Speaker 3: how many ashes do you get? You get a teaspoon 40 00:01:52,324 --> 00:01:54,364 Speaker 3: of ashes. In this particular case, I. 41 00:01:54,364 --> 00:01:56,604 Speaker 2: Pitched an idea to Kitty when she was in here 42 00:01:56,924 --> 00:02:00,004 Speaker 2: that we're a radio show and we're having a feud 43 00:02:00,004 --> 00:02:03,044 Speaker 2: about a joke, and we both go in and we 44 00:02:03,124 --> 00:02:05,684 Speaker 2: have the same man and I have and she seemed keen. 45 00:02:05,764 --> 00:02:08,404 Speaker 2: I don't know if she was really keen. Pretend keen 46 00:02:08,524 --> 00:02:08,844 Speaker 2: or real. 47 00:02:09,284 --> 00:02:11,764 Speaker 3: Well, we did do a story based on a real story, 48 00:02:11,804 --> 00:02:16,164 Speaker 3: which was the look alike so beautiful ads Perhaps played 49 00:02:16,324 --> 00:02:18,324 Speaker 3: a news he thought he was the son of a 50 00:02:18,324 --> 00:02:20,883 Speaker 3: famous news reader. Was sort of George Danickian kind of. 51 00:02:20,964 --> 00:02:22,883 Speaker 3: But it was based on the Reg Grundy case where 52 00:02:22,923 --> 00:02:25,724 Speaker 3: when redg Grey died, a man came forward and said 53 00:02:25,844 --> 00:02:27,844 Speaker 3: I think I could be his son, and the police 54 00:02:27,844 --> 00:02:30,764 Speaker 3: said whine. He said, because I look like him, and 55 00:02:30,764 --> 00:02:32,444 Speaker 3: it's like, well you need more than that, and he 56 00:02:32,724 --> 00:02:35,284 Speaker 3: just wouldn't let it go and it became a huge 57 00:02:35,284 --> 00:02:37,844 Speaker 3: court case. So Kitty and Penny went, let's do this. 58 00:02:38,204 --> 00:02:41,043 Speaker 3: Alex perhaps thinks he's the son of a George Denickian 59 00:02:41,124 --> 00:02:43,924 Speaker 3: type of news reader. It was hilarious. He was hilarious 60 00:02:44,004 --> 00:02:45,004 Speaker 3: away from that show. 61 00:02:45,163 --> 00:02:49,003 Speaker 1: But I remember reading about the Reg Grundy's secret love child. 62 00:02:49,004 --> 00:02:50,323 Speaker 1: It didn't occur to me if someone just thought he 63 00:02:50,363 --> 00:02:50,724 Speaker 1: looked like. 64 00:02:51,923 --> 00:02:53,963 Speaker 3: We had the same mustage. It was all about the moustache. 65 00:02:54,844 --> 00:02:56,483 Speaker 3: I know he could be my dad too. No one 66 00:02:56,524 --> 00:02:59,083 Speaker 3: said anything about you, Amanda, That's what I'm saying. 67 00:02:59,204 --> 00:03:01,483 Speaker 2: But what about your new show? So what's the obsession 68 00:03:01,524 --> 00:03:02,724 Speaker 2: with a true crime? 69 00:03:02,803 --> 00:03:05,924 Speaker 3: We love true crime, but crime is grizzly. Why do 70 00:03:06,004 --> 00:03:08,004 Speaker 3: we love it? I completely agree with you. I'm not 71 00:03:08,043 --> 00:03:10,404 Speaker 3: a fan of true crime, and there is no true crime. 72 00:03:10,444 --> 00:03:14,044 Speaker 3: There's just crime, right and the bit of a shame 73 00:03:14,084 --> 00:03:15,724 Speaker 3: people have kind of gone in and gone or is 74 00:03:15,764 --> 00:03:19,444 Speaker 3: this about true crime? Not at all? Because his comedians involved, Look, 75 00:03:19,483 --> 00:03:23,004 Speaker 3: it's a deep dive into criminology. Our producer Frank during 76 00:03:23,084 --> 00:03:26,404 Speaker 3: Covid got a bit bored and he put his time 77 00:03:26,444 --> 00:03:28,643 Speaker 3: to good use. He actually need a criminology degree. Was 78 00:03:28,684 --> 00:03:31,764 Speaker 3: so enamored by his two lecturers, Dannielle and David he 79 00:03:31,844 --> 00:03:34,284 Speaker 3: makes TV, and he thought, well, maybe I could make 80 00:03:34,324 --> 00:03:36,404 Speaker 3: this into a television show. Spoke with them. Did they 81 00:03:36,444 --> 00:03:37,844 Speaker 3: think that it was a good idea and they said, 82 00:03:37,844 --> 00:03:40,444 Speaker 3: we'd love to spread the word about what criminology is 83 00:03:40,484 --> 00:03:44,604 Speaker 3: about and what we do. But criminology, true crime, crime, 84 00:03:44,644 --> 00:03:47,044 Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, it's about human behavior 85 00:03:47,684 --> 00:03:49,604 Speaker 3: and what we hope we do in the show is 86 00:03:49,644 --> 00:03:52,404 Speaker 3: look at human behavior and how any one of us 87 00:03:52,484 --> 00:03:55,484 Speaker 3: is a step away from doing something wrong, whether we 88 00:03:55,604 --> 00:03:57,844 Speaker 3: like it or not. And once you're in that system, 89 00:03:58,084 --> 00:03:59,604 Speaker 3: how are you going to look after yourself? And what 90 00:03:59,644 --> 00:04:01,684 Speaker 3: do you expect? Because I think we think we know 91 00:04:01,803 --> 00:04:04,444 Speaker 3: because we watch TV shows about it, but I don't 92 00:04:04,484 --> 00:04:07,604 Speaker 3: think that's necessarily true. So it's absolutely not We're not 93 00:04:07,604 --> 00:04:09,644 Speaker 3: going to do it deep dive into pod and all 94 00:04:09,684 --> 00:04:12,644 Speaker 3: the rest. They can do all that. I sometimes think 95 00:04:12,684 --> 00:04:15,404 Speaker 3: there are some interesting true crime podcasts that go on 96 00:04:15,444 --> 00:04:18,404 Speaker 3: for twenty five episodes when ten would have been fined. Absolutely, 97 00:04:18,484 --> 00:04:20,924 Speaker 3: and I think what you're doing is you're actually milking 98 00:04:21,004 --> 00:04:24,564 Speaker 3: other people's distress. So that's absolutely not we're doing. We 99 00:04:24,644 --> 00:04:27,524 Speaker 3: really carefully chose our comedians. We wanted ones who are 100 00:04:27,524 --> 00:04:31,724 Speaker 3: going to be curious, be funny about themselves and situations 101 00:04:31,724 --> 00:04:33,804 Speaker 3: they might fall into. So there's toxics in the show 102 00:04:33,924 --> 00:04:38,084 Speaker 3: like scam, surveillance, conformity. So it's interesting to talk to 103 00:04:38,124 --> 00:04:40,204 Speaker 3: comedians and go, well, have you fallen for a scam? 104 00:04:40,404 --> 00:04:42,164 Speaker 3: And what do you think about surveillance? Do you think 105 00:04:42,204 --> 00:04:44,404 Speaker 3: we watched too much? Do you act differently if you 106 00:04:44,404 --> 00:04:47,684 Speaker 3: think you're being watched? Have you conformed? Because you know, 107 00:04:47,804 --> 00:04:51,364 Speaker 3: sometimes crime is about conformity. You don't have a family, 108 00:04:51,404 --> 00:04:53,243 Speaker 3: you don't have a gang. You join a gang, and 109 00:04:53,284 --> 00:04:55,884 Speaker 3: to belong you do things you shouldn't do, and then 110 00:04:55,884 --> 00:04:58,324 Speaker 3: a kid will find him or herself in a situation 111 00:04:58,444 --> 00:05:02,404 Speaker 3: where they're in trouble. So we're obsessed, if you like, 112 00:05:02,484 --> 00:05:05,364 Speaker 3: we're true crime. And I think it's because well some 113 00:05:05,404 --> 00:05:07,324 Speaker 3: people have said it's because you're like I listened to 114 00:05:07,324 --> 00:05:09,164 Speaker 3: it because if I were in that situation, from what 115 00:05:09,164 --> 00:05:12,684 Speaker 3: would I do? Well, okay, but we are. I think 116 00:05:12,724 --> 00:05:13,324 Speaker 3: it's perving. 117 00:05:13,364 --> 00:05:16,363 Speaker 1: It's like going, it's a little bit, it's living through 118 00:05:16,364 --> 00:05:18,644 Speaker 1: someone else's distress. Yes, they're going on a roller coaster 119 00:05:18,684 --> 00:05:20,884 Speaker 1: and think, you know, you're testing yourself. 120 00:05:20,564 --> 00:05:22,844 Speaker 3: Somehow, And there are some there are some good ones 121 00:05:22,884 --> 00:05:25,404 Speaker 3: told out there, I think when they're done journalistically and 122 00:05:25,444 --> 00:05:28,844 Speaker 3: they're done with care and respect. Teachers PET for exactly. Yeah, 123 00:05:28,924 --> 00:05:31,124 Speaker 3: well see even teachers pet. You know, it took them 124 00:05:31,204 --> 00:05:35,884 Speaker 3: like twelve thirteen, fourteen episodes until they started talking about 125 00:05:35,924 --> 00:05:38,404 Speaker 3: domestic violence. It was clear that this woman had been 126 00:05:38,404 --> 00:05:41,924 Speaker 3: coercively controlled. The parents knew, the family knew, but they 127 00:05:41,924 --> 00:05:45,204 Speaker 3: don't reveal that till finally towards the end, so that 128 00:05:45,244 --> 00:05:48,243 Speaker 3: there's a whole layer there that we're not looking through 129 00:05:48,484 --> 00:05:51,564 Speaker 3: that we could have looked at from the beginning. So yeah, 130 00:05:51,604 --> 00:05:54,484 Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like it's a tricky area. 131 00:05:54,564 --> 00:05:56,204 Speaker 3: So with our show, we'll be looking at the ins 132 00:05:56,204 --> 00:05:58,604 Speaker 3: and outs. We'll be looking at the laws around it. 133 00:05:58,644 --> 00:06:00,924 Speaker 3: Eye witness accounts. At the end of the day, when 134 00:06:00,964 --> 00:06:03,844 Speaker 3: you when you're if you commit a crime or you're 135 00:06:03,844 --> 00:06:06,564 Speaker 3: accused of a crime, human beings are all we have 136 00:06:07,044 --> 00:06:09,404 Speaker 3: as they sit in the jury box and as they 137 00:06:09,444 --> 00:06:12,164 Speaker 3: come in with their eyewitness accounts that can or can't 138 00:06:12,164 --> 00:06:14,644 Speaker 3: be trusted. You know, we rely a lot on the 139 00:06:14,764 --> 00:06:17,444 Speaker 3: human to make those decisions, to decide where you're going 140 00:06:17,484 --> 00:06:17,724 Speaker 3: to go. 141 00:06:17,884 --> 00:06:20,564 Speaker 2: And they say the best eyewitness is the perpetrator, because 142 00:06:20,564 --> 00:06:23,284 Speaker 2: the perpetrator will always give themselves away depending on what 143 00:06:23,364 --> 00:06:25,124 Speaker 2: sort of psychological thing that they have. 144 00:06:25,364 --> 00:06:28,204 Speaker 3: Well, we look into that as well. And also you know, 145 00:06:28,364 --> 00:06:30,524 Speaker 3: when you deliver an eyewitness account, people say, oh, well, 146 00:06:30,564 --> 00:06:32,484 Speaker 3: he was so confident when he delivered it. Often the 147 00:06:32,484 --> 00:06:35,444 Speaker 3: most confident ones are the ones that have had that 148 00:06:35,484 --> 00:06:37,764 Speaker 3: they aren't sure, whereas the one that sort of stutters 149 00:06:37,804 --> 00:06:41,004 Speaker 3: and remembers and looks away is probably the better account 150 00:06:41,004 --> 00:06:43,564 Speaker 3: and the truer account. But as an audience, we go, well, 151 00:06:43,604 --> 00:06:45,884 Speaker 3: he didn't look very confident. But you ask ten people 152 00:06:45,924 --> 00:06:47,804 Speaker 3: in a room who all witnessed the same thing, all 153 00:06:47,804 --> 00:06:50,204 Speaker 3: have a different collection, I know, so that you're really 154 00:06:50,244 --> 00:06:53,803 Speaker 3: putting your you're putting your potential future in hands. And 155 00:06:53,844 --> 00:06:56,964 Speaker 3: of course then there's miscarriages of justice, clear things that 156 00:06:56,964 --> 00:07:00,324 Speaker 3: are about bias and racism, so we talk about that 157 00:07:00,404 --> 00:07:02,604 Speaker 3: as well, and yeah, we try to and we also 158 00:07:02,604 --> 00:07:05,284 Speaker 3: have little experiments that we do on the audience and 159 00:07:05,364 --> 00:07:07,364 Speaker 3: that we've done on the comedians to give you a 160 00:07:07,444 --> 00:07:10,884 Speaker 3: lighthearted example of what can you remember of that time? 161 00:07:10,964 --> 00:07:13,124 Speaker 3: And you know, what would you do? When would you 162 00:07:13,204 --> 00:07:17,524 Speaker 3: just sign up for a fishing scam without thinking? Because 163 00:07:17,564 --> 00:07:20,444 Speaker 3: we've never been more surveiled, we've never been more tracked, 164 00:07:20,644 --> 00:07:23,924 Speaker 3: we've never been more under the eye than we are 165 00:07:23,964 --> 00:07:27,164 Speaker 3: today and or more informed in it was still. 166 00:07:26,964 --> 00:07:30,444 Speaker 2: Ajo Amanda is the tasering, that's all she I have. 167 00:07:30,484 --> 00:07:33,764 Speaker 1: A secret fantasy about being tasered, even I know sometimes 168 00:07:33,844 --> 00:07:34,644 Speaker 1: you might lose. 169 00:07:34,484 --> 00:07:37,524 Speaker 3: Bad, but that's for another Keller, you never ceased to 170 00:07:37,564 --> 00:07:39,124 Speaker 3: amaze me. Places You'll go. 171 00:07:39,724 --> 00:07:42,884 Speaker 2: Crime Night premieres next Wednesday thirty on the ABC and 172 00:07:42,924 --> 00:07:46,084 Speaker 2: I view Julia's Amiro. Great to see you again. 173 00:07:46,084 --> 00:07:50,004 Speaker 3: And congratulations on your new move. Yes to the planes, Julia, 174 00:07:50,324 --> 00:07:53,004 Speaker 3: enjoy the drive show. I'll listen to it because I'll 175 00:07:53,004 --> 00:07:53,324 Speaker 3: be up