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Speaker 5: Hey everyone, welcome back to the potty Today we have
Speaker 5: such a special episode. I'm interviewing Jamie, our RNC brand manager.
Speaker 5: Hi Jamie, Hello everyone, and we're gonna chat about all
Speaker 5: things Korea and business. We noticed a common theme in
Speaker 5: the Facebook group of people talking about how they can
Speaker 5: get more freedom and really thrive in their career, and
Speaker 5: it kind of seemed like everyone was thinking that they
Speaker 5: needed to start their own business.
Speaker 3: To get those things.
Speaker 5: And we do know there is a lot of talk
Speaker 5: online about that sort of thing of how working for
Speaker 5: yourself is very fulfilling and happy and great, and we
Speaker 5: know it is all those things, but we really also
Speaker 5: wanted to show you that it isn't the only way
Speaker 5: to get all of those things, So you can be
Speaker 5: for field and happy and really thrive working for someone else.
Speaker 5: And Jamie has had experience in both, so we thought
Speaker 5: we'd chat to her about it.
Speaker 2: So exciting.
Speaker 6: In this episode, we also dive deep into how you
Speaker 6: can excel in your career, how you can kind of
Speaker 6: move up in your career, find fulfillment, find something that
Speaker 6: you do love doing, and yeah, also I guess attract
Speaker 6: your dream job and attract dream opportunities. So if you
Speaker 6: are someone who is wanting to go to the next
Speaker 6: level with your career or find a job that really
Speaker 6: lights you up, you'll love today's episode.
Speaker 5: You will, and Jamie also shares some pretty crazy stories,
Speaker 5: So let's.
Speaker 3: Get into it.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the podcast, Jamie thank you happy to be here.
Speaker 3: We're so excited to have you.
Speaker 5: So we are going to do this interview in two parts.
Speaker 5: The first one is going to be all about Korea
Speaker 5: and feeling fulfilled in your career. We noticed a running
Speaker 5: theme in the Facebook group with a lot of people
Speaker 5: who were thinking about massive career pivots and things and
Speaker 5: feeling like it's too late and all the things, so
Speaker 5: we thought we'd get the queen.
Speaker 2: Of career on here, Jabie Love a good career.
Speaker 5: And the second part, which we will be dropping soon,
Speaker 5: is questioned from our community, which is like a little
Speaker 5: bit of small business questions, a little bit of career,
Speaker 5: just a mix. So let's get straight into it. For
Speaker 5: anyone who doesn't know, do you want to tell us
Speaker 5: a little bit about yourself and what you do?
Speaker 6: Of course, I'm Jamie. I'm the marketing and brand manager
Speaker 6: here at RNC, So basically I manage the team and
Speaker 6: do all the marketing strategy and business strategy and then
Speaker 6: work with the team to execute it all, which is
Speaker 6: a lot of fun, a lot of variety.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and what about you personally tell us a.
Speaker 2: Little bit about yourself outside of work?
Speaker 6: Outside of work? Okay, we know this is something you
Speaker 6: struggle with it, but I guess I don't know. Just
Speaker 6: moved up to the Gold Coast in December. I have
Speaker 6: a dog, obviously, love to go out, be social, love
Speaker 6: the beach, love self development, and I feel like my
Speaker 6: biggest passions in life really tie into work here, but
Speaker 6: I do a lot.
Speaker 2: Of that outside of work as well.
Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah, guys, Jamie, we have this running joke.
Speaker 5: I think we've said it on this podcast before and
Speaker 5: stories or something, but Jamie's life is a literally seventy
Speaker 5: five part I.
Speaker 2: Love a good routine, trend, jim love walking on the beach, sunset, sunrises,
Speaker 2: all the good stuff.
Speaker 3: She just says all the things.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm the kind.
Speaker 6: Of person who has to squeeze the most out of
Speaker 6: every single minute in every single day and always be
Speaker 6: doing something so fair.
Speaker 5: And I know this isn't on the question list, but
Speaker 5: do you want to share your life's purpose with us?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, I would love to.
Speaker 6: My life's purpose is to leave people better off than
Speaker 6: when I f them, which is very simple, but I
Speaker 6: feel like it's something that I can easily navigate back
Speaker 6: to in every part of my life. And you know,
Speaker 6: in my relationships, in my work, in everything that I do,
Speaker 6: I feel like I am fulfilling that purpose. So something
Speaker 6: nice and simple.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 5: Now let's get into the questions. All right, so excited
Speaker 5: Number one? What has your professional journey been?
Speaker 6: Okay, So, I, as pretty much everyone in this office,
Speaker 6: I did a Bachelor of Communications, majoring in public relations
Speaker 6: and minoring in marketing. I got into it because I
Speaker 6: loved writing. As we all know, I'm a big words gal.
Speaker 6: And then from that I started as a marketing coordinator
Speaker 6: and I was also kind of doing social media stuff
Speaker 6: on the side just for free to get experience a
Speaker 6: small businesses. And then I got into marketing in like
Speaker 6: a more corporate way. So I did marketing for a
Speaker 6: business coaching firm and realized that whilst it was such
Speaker 6: good experience, the corporate world just wasn't for me. It
Speaker 6: didn't feel aligned, it didn't feel fun. So I saw
Speaker 6: Georgie advertising a podcast manager. Position at the time was
Speaker 6: only like part time, but it just felt very aligned
Speaker 6: for me. So I applied for that and I got
Speaker 6: it obviously, and then since then I have just worked
Speaker 6: my way up in R and C and kind of
Speaker 6: grown as the business has grown.
Speaker 2: And then I also had MAD.
Speaker 6: Which was my small business. I still have it, but
Speaker 6: we've taken a little hiatus. And yeah, I think that
Speaker 6: also excelled me a lot in my career and professional journey.
Speaker 6: I learned so much in that, which we'll get into.
Speaker 3: And when did you start MAD?
Speaker 6: Well, I wasn't actually in the start of MAD. I
Speaker 6: came into it a few months in, but I think
Speaker 6: it was about two years ago, so maybe like four
Speaker 6: months after I started working for Georgie. So I was
Speaker 6: doing that full time and also business full time, so
Speaker 6: pretty much working life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know I love work, so I didn't mind.
Speaker 5: Now could you share a little bit more about what
Speaker 5: your business was?
Speaker 6: Of course, So Mad is a sustainable activewear company. So
Speaker 6: we make all of our pieces out of recycled plastic bottles,
Speaker 6: which is very cool, and yeah, I think it kind
Speaker 6: of encompasses a lot of wellness, lifestyle, sustainability. It was
Speaker 6: a very like lifestyle kind of brand alongside being that
Speaker 6: sustainable active were label, so it was very intentional and purposeful.
Speaker 6: And yeah, that's pretty much sums it up.
Speaker 5: We love Now, why did you want to start your
Speaker 5: own business? How did you sort of end up in Mad.
Speaker 5: You mentioned you rolled in a few months in, So
Speaker 5: how did that all look?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: I actually went from being strangers to business partners within
Speaker 6: twenty four hours, you wild gal, which was such a
Speaker 6: well wind and so random of me.
Speaker 3: A bit rogue.
Speaker 6: But basically, Maddie had started MAD I think it was
Speaker 6: maybe four months before I came on, and she had
Speaker 6: spent a couple of years coming up with a concept,
Speaker 6: finding a supplier, all those things, and she thought the
Speaker 6: hardest part of starting a business would be that starting
Speaker 6: the business, but as she grew into it, she kind
Speaker 6: of realized the hardest part about starting a business is
Speaker 6: getting it out there and getting customers into your business. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so I knew Maddie kind I hadn't met her or
Speaker 6: anything like that, but we just had a mutual friend
Speaker 6: and my mutual friend said you should get Jamie over,
Speaker 6: get her to help her help you with some marketing,
Speaker 6: which I was kind of doing a little bit then.
Speaker 6: But I went over and we just clicked, got on
Speaker 6: like a house on fire, and we were very aligned,
Speaker 6: very into sustainability, both like plant based, both loved business.
Speaker 6: But she was like the kind of like Cooper and
Speaker 6: Georgie set up where yeah, Cooper's like very much the logistics, finance,
Speaker 6: operations side of the business, and then Georgie's like marketing
Speaker 6: all the fun stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So Maddie was a lawyer by trade, so she was
Speaker 6: very much like in that financial side of the business
Speaker 6: and loved all the cash flow side of.
Speaker 2: Things and that.
Speaker 6: And then yeah, I came over and was very much
Speaker 6: into the marketing and all of that side of things.
Speaker 2: And then the.
Speaker 6: Next day I kind of said, you know, if you
Speaker 6: want some help, more help with marketing, just let me know.
Speaker 6: And she was like, Wow, I was wondering, would you
Speaker 6: like to be my business partner? And I had never
Speaker 6: really I had never really thought about having a product
Speaker 6: based business. I thought, of I had a business, it
Speaker 6: would be coaching and helping people with their marketing, because
Speaker 6: that's where I was feel most aligned to. But I
Speaker 6: just thought, these opportunities don't just pop up out of
Speaker 6: know where, like someone is trusting me with their business.
Speaker 6: She always thought she would never have anyone else in
Speaker 6: no business, and she said a few times there was
Speaker 6: people who approached her and stuff like that, but it
Speaker 6: just felt so aligned with me, and I thought this
Speaker 6: is gonna be such a good opportunity, so much experience,
Speaker 6: so I said yes, and we just started.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I know, And like a few people have
Speaker 6: asked us how we, you know, decided to be business
Speaker 6: partners together and how that navigated that relationship, And whenever
Speaker 6: we say it went from like strangers to business partners
Speaker 6: in twenty four hours, people especially who have had a
Speaker 6: business partner are like.
Speaker 5: What, reflecting back, do you think it was actually easier
Speaker 5: to maybe navigate the business partner relationship because you were
Speaker 5: kind of strangers and there was no like pre existing
Speaker 5: friendship or things you had to worry.
Speaker 6: About one hundred percent And me and Mad's are the
Speaker 6: kind of relationship where we are so honest with each other.
Speaker 2: Our communication is like next level.
Speaker 6: We people always say we act like a married couple
Speaker 6: because we're just so honest with each other upfront.
Speaker 2: And if she came.
Speaker 6: To me with an idea and I thought it wasn't
Speaker 6: gonna work out, I.
Speaker 3: Was just like, nah, like that sucks.
Speaker 6: No, I just that's not where we're headed or of
Speaker 6: you know, it's same thing. We were just so and
Speaker 6: we both thought so differently, but we had a very
Speaker 6: mutual agreement that the main priority was the business. And
Speaker 6: it's not like we were had a relationship first and
Speaker 6: that was the priority.
Speaker 2: Their priority was the business.
Speaker 6: So every decision we made was from that, not from
Speaker 6: trying to like look at our relationship or anything like that.
Speaker 6: But we've grown to be like best friends, So I
Speaker 6: love that. Yeah, But definitely I think it's I think
Speaker 6: it's almost better to not have that relationship because I
Speaker 6: think it can be so challenging to then navigate that.
Speaker 6: You have to have a very special kind of relationship
Speaker 6: to be in business together, because it is like a marriage.
Speaker 5: Our next question is what was sort of the realities
Speaker 5: of starting your own business like?
Speaker 3: And were there any.
Speaker 5: Read shocks, because I feel like often, especially on socials,
Speaker 5: you see a lot of the like reflect to post
Speaker 5: of people like who were in the trenches and they
Speaker 5: were they say, oh my gosh, it was so hard
Speaker 5: in the beginning stages, but I'm so glad I pushed through.
Speaker 5: Look at me three years later, look at me five
Speaker 5: years later with like seven eight figure business.
Speaker 3: But what was it like for you?
Speaker 6: I think the realities of starting a business is you
Speaker 6: have to make so many sacrifices in the beginning, and
Speaker 6: you have to go all in, and you're doing things
Speaker 6: that a lot of the people around you aren't doing, so,
Speaker 6: you know, working really long hours, missing out on social events.
Speaker 6: And I think that was a big shock to the
Speaker 6: system at the start because I'm such a social person.
Speaker 6: But I think that just gave me so many lessons
Speaker 6: in terms of boundaries and kind of working out what
Speaker 6: my priorities were. But I think at the start of
Speaker 6: a business, you kind of just think, oh, I'll just
Speaker 6: come up with this business plan, I'll just put it
Speaker 6: out there and people will just buy my products because
Speaker 6: you kind of only usually see and I think TikTok's
Speaker 6: kind of changed this a little bit, but you usually
Speaker 6: only see the success stories and you only really see
Speaker 6: people who have like quote unquote made it. So I
Speaker 6: think at the start, it's just the biggest reality thing
Speaker 6: is one how much your life actually changes when you
Speaker 6: start a business, and how much you have to then
Speaker 6: navigate that and kind of step into a whole new
Speaker 6: version of yourself. And then also that it's not all
Speaker 6: just fun in games and it's not always just like
Speaker 6: smooth sailing. And I think there's such a big thing
Speaker 6: at the moment of having a small business or having
Speaker 6: your own business and the lifestyle and freedom. You know,
Speaker 6: you usually go into it to get more freedom, more money,
Speaker 6: and usually does the opposite at the start. So I
Speaker 6: think they were the biggest reality shocks for me.
Speaker 5: And did it sort of move as fast or as
Speaker 5: slow as you expected, or what what sort of happened
Speaker 5: for you in that sort of term.
Speaker 6: We actually had MOTT We actually had mad At during COVID,
Speaker 6: so that was huge for e commerce. That like blew
Speaker 6: up businesses, and there was so much expendable income for people.
Speaker 6: They were at home, they weren't doing anything besides online shopping.
Speaker 6: So I think at the start, so many businesses saw
Speaker 6: exponential growth and saw so many sales, and then it
Speaker 6: almost gave you a reality that moving forward with that, that's.
Speaker 2: What it was going to be like.
Speaker 6: But then as people started to go, you know, back
Speaker 6: into their normal lifestyles and things like that, and especially
Speaker 6: with the economy at the moment, those sales just went down.
Speaker 6: And I think for a lot of businesses who had
Speaker 6: started in COVID, they had such an unrealistic expectation of
Speaker 6: how much they were going to be able to grow
Speaker 6: outside of COVID.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: It was an interesting time for e commerce in in
Speaker 6: terms of navigating that because you we were like, oh,
Speaker 6: this is so easy, like so many people are buying
Speaker 6: there's and especially with a sustainable business, you're at a
Speaker 6: higher price point. And as we came out of COVID,
Speaker 6: that really showed because people were not as willing to
Speaker 6: spend that higher price point on sustainable things because they
Speaker 6: came out and for them what was more important was money.
Speaker 6: So they're then going to go to, you know, obviously
Speaker 6: a more affordable option. So I think, yeah, during COVID
Speaker 6: just gave a bit of unrealistic expectations for small business.
Speaker 5: And when you guys sort of obviously would have seen
Speaker 5: that growth and then started to see the decline, how
Speaker 5: did that make you feel in terms of your business success?
Speaker 3: How did it make you feel.
Speaker 5: In terms of yourself and what you were doing, because
Speaker 5: I assume you would have like leveled up and up
Speaker 5: and up and then it just wasn't working.
Speaker 3: How did you navigate that period?
Speaker 6: I think it was just all about learning how to
Speaker 6: pivot and not hold so much emotion attached to those
Speaker 6: like metrics and success and really look at like how
Speaker 6: you were then going to strengthen who you were within
Speaker 6: that business. I feel like having a small business has
Speaker 6: done more for my mindset than any other journey I've
Speaker 6: been on in my life because it does just like
Speaker 6: test you so much, and you have to learn to
Speaker 6: like isolate your own identity from something that is kind
Speaker 6: of so attached to it. So I think just learning
Speaker 6: how to navigate that and yes, still show up when
Speaker 6: maybe you're not getting the result that you want, and
Speaker 6: still show up and try and pivot, and you know
Speaker 6: it almost gave you such a big opportunity to go
Speaker 6: to the next level or do things in an even
Speaker 6: more like insane way because you were pushing harder for
Speaker 6: that result.
Speaker 5: A really expensive life coach, Yeah, pretty much. So our
Speaker 5: next question, what were your your favorite lessons from being
Speaker 5: a business owner?
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 6: I truly believe what you learn from having a business
Speaker 6: kind of almost time collapses what you'll learn in your
Speaker 6: career because you.
Speaker 2: Don't have anyone else to rely upon. You only have yourself.
Speaker 6: So you are in the trenches doing absolutely everything, You're
Speaker 6: playing a million roles at once, and you don't have
Speaker 6: anyone to go to to kind of get the answer.
Speaker 6: And I think when you don't have anyone to rely upon,
Speaker 6: you learn at such.
Speaker 2: A rapid rate. I truly believe I wouldn't be.
Speaker 6: At the position I'm in my career if it wasn't
Speaker 6: for having MAD. And I think just the self responsibility
Speaker 6: and the ability to be self led that comes from
Speaker 6: having a business is something that I am so grateful
Speaker 6: that I learn. And I think also just the resilience
Speaker 6: and the mindset that comes with it, because it is
Speaker 6: such an emotional rollercoaster and you kind of have to
Speaker 6: learn how to put yourself out there, deal with projections,
Speaker 6: deal with judgment, deal with things not going the way
Speaker 6: that you want, and you just have to keep showing
Speaker 6: up because you don't have any other option. And I
Speaker 6: think what that did for my mindset and my ability
Speaker 6: to show up authentically as myself is yeah, probably one
Speaker 6: of the biggest things that I've ever learned in my life.
Speaker 5: I know you mentioned earlier that you are currently taking
Speaker 5: a bit of a hiatus from MAD and what sort
Speaker 5: of made you decide you and Maddie, I guess, decide
Speaker 5: to take this hiatus from your business, because that I
Speaker 5: can imagine would have been a massive decision.
Speaker 6: Massive so Basically, I was burning the candle at both ends,
Speaker 6: and I was trying to put one hundred percent into
Speaker 6: my role in R and C and also my role
Speaker 6: in the business. And Maddie was kind of doing the
Speaker 6: same thing because she has her own pt business as well.
Speaker 6: And when I decided that I was going to move
Speaker 6: up to the Gold Coast because I wanted to come
Speaker 6: to the next stage of my career and go all
Speaker 6: in in R and C, I kind of had to
Speaker 6: reassess my life and reordit.
Speaker 2: What I was putting energy into.
Speaker 6: And I knew that my role in R and C
Speaker 6: and rn C as a business was so aligned to
Speaker 6: I guess what my purpose in life is.
Speaker 2: And I decided that I wanted to go all in
Speaker 2: in R and C.
Speaker 6: And for me to do that, I kind of needed
Speaker 6: to let go of MAD because I just knew that
Speaker 6: I couldn't do both at one hundred percent. I think
Speaker 6: it's hard when you have a small business because you
Speaker 6: kind of need to have that income on the side
Speaker 6: of having a full time job. But I guess it
Speaker 6: needs to be something that you're not fully in vested in,
Speaker 6: because to be able to do both is very hard.
Speaker 6: I did it for two years and it was yeah, tough.
Speaker 6: It took a lot of energy all the time, and
Speaker 6: I think it was it was a big realization for
Speaker 6: me that you don't have to always have a small
Speaker 6: business or your own thing to feel really fulfilled in
Speaker 6: your purpose and to feel like you're quote unquote successful.
Speaker 2: And what success looked like for.
Speaker 6: Me was being all in an R and C and
Speaker 6: growing with the business and I just believe in it
Speaker 6: so wholeheartedly.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we just.
Speaker 6: Kind of decided that for now it was best that
Speaker 6: we took a step back from mad because we never
Speaker 6: wanted it to be a chore or we never wanted
Speaker 6: it to be something that we felt like we had
Speaker 6: to do or we just did to avoid, you know,
Speaker 6: feeling like we're letting it down or whatever.
Speaker 5: And how was that pro Like, how did that process
Speaker 5: feel like for you? Were there any massive or any big,
Speaker 5: standout limiting beliefs you had to work through during that
Speaker 5: process of I guess like putting the business on hold and.
Speaker 6: One hundred percent, I think when you start a small
Speaker 6: business there is so much pressure that comes with continuing
Speaker 6: it and not being a part of the statistic that
Speaker 6: you know says that most small businesses will fail and.
Speaker 2: Things like that.
Speaker 6: So there was obviously so much in a work that
Speaker 6: came with making that decision. And I think when you
Speaker 6: have a small business, there's so much almost like proving energy.
Speaker 6: You've gone out and you've started this thing, and you
Speaker 6: almost feel like you've just got to keep going with
Speaker 6: it because there's so many people watching how you're going.
Speaker 2: And I think for me, I.
Speaker 6: Really had to look at what success looked like and
Speaker 6: what happiness looked like for me and just realize that
Speaker 6: it's okay if things are in your life for a season,
Speaker 6: and it's okay if you decide to pivot or change,
Speaker 6: and that doesn't mean.
Speaker 2: That you're failing.
Speaker 6: But I took that leap and I changed direction and
Speaker 6: I pivoted, and I have never been happier. So it
Speaker 6: was kind of one of those situations that it really
Speaker 6: did work out better than I could have imagined, And
Speaker 6: whilst it felt really scary at the start, if you're
Speaker 6: holding onto something just because you feel like you're going
Speaker 6: to look like a failure or you feel like you
Speaker 6: know you're going to get judged, you're making a decision
Speaker 6: from other people's views on you, and you're not making
Speaker 6: a decision from your own inner happiness. And I just
Speaker 6: would ray rather look like I've let something down or way,
Speaker 6: rather deal with those judgments or whatever they are, than
Speaker 6: not do everything I can to be the happiest person
Speaker 6: I can.
Speaker 5: Did you financially, Like you mentioned like it's nice to
Speaker 5: have that income on the side kind of thing.
Speaker 3: How did you work through letting that go? Well?
Speaker 6: I just kind of think money will always come in
Speaker 6: the way that you are. You know, if you're doing
Speaker 6: what is a line for you, and you're doing what's
Speaker 6: best for you, the money will follow. And I just
Speaker 6: that wasn't even a factor for me. I was just like,
Speaker 6: what is going to make me feel the most happy
Speaker 6: and fulfilled? And I think once you let go of
Speaker 6: having to get money a certain way, it'll come in
Speaker 6: another way.
Speaker 5: And would that be your tip? Say someone's going through
Speaker 5: and trying to make this decision for themselves at the moment,
Speaker 5: what would be your tip sort of on the money
Speaker 5: mindset side, I guess for them to I guess comfortably
Speaker 5: let go of that side.
Speaker 3: Income.
Speaker 6: Well, I'm for most people in small business, you're not
Speaker 6: actually making an income anyways, because you're just putting everything
Speaker 6: back into the business. So, but I would say if
Speaker 6: you're holding on to having things look a certain way,
Speaker 6: you're blocking yourself off from probably the next level of
Speaker 6: yourself because you're holding onto a certain version of yourself.
Speaker 6: And as soon as you let that go, you usually
Speaker 6: step into the next level and usually step into you know,
Speaker 6: the next stage of your life, which most likely will
Speaker 6: be more money, more income. And I think, don't get
Speaker 6: so stuck in things having to look a certain way
Speaker 6: or feel a certain way. Just do whatever you're being
Speaker 6: pulled to, because usually we'll end up pulling you exactly
Speaker 6: where you're meant to go.
Speaker 5: And when you sort of took the hiatus or did
Speaker 5: that sort of thing, did you at endpoint feel like
Speaker 5: a bit of a failure and how did you sort
Speaker 5: of navigate that with yourself?
Speaker 2: Of course I did.
Speaker 6: I think everyone who lets go of something that they
Speaker 6: were so fully in might always have those thoughts that
Speaker 6: pop up. But what I kind of realized was I
Speaker 6: don't actually believe in failure. I just don't think it's
Speaker 6: a thing, because if I look at what Mad gave me,
Speaker 6: and look at what that season of my life gave me,
Speaker 6: it actually led to me feeling like the most successful
Speaker 6: version of myself in this role and in where I'm
Speaker 6: at in life. And if I didn't have that, I
Speaker 6: might not have this. And I think failure isn't a thing.
Speaker 6: It's usually just redirection onto the path that you're meant
Speaker 6: to be on. And I think sometimes things don't work out,
Speaker 6: so better things can fall into place. So once I
Speaker 6: kind of navigated that and thought about it, I was like,
Speaker 6: failure is not.
Speaker 2: Even a thing.
Speaker 6: I'm just stepping in a different direction and I'm stepping
Speaker 6: into where I meant to be in life.
Speaker 5: And did you find that hindsight sort of helped with
Speaker 5: that or did you feel that way when you were
Speaker 5: kind of in that trenches of the decision.
Speaker 6: I think for me, I had to do the inner
Speaker 6: work before.
Speaker 2: That shift.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And if I hadn't have done the inner work,
Speaker 6: then I wouldn't have made that shift. But definitely, I
Speaker 6: think hindsight is a beautiful thing because now I'm in
Speaker 6: my life and you know, I like crive happiness every day,
Speaker 6: so I think being able to be in that stage
Speaker 6: of my life. And I was even having this conversation
Speaker 6: with Cooper about like what success is and how so
Speaker 6: many people chase like money or a certain career or
Speaker 6: having this business or whatever it is. But at the
Speaker 6: end of the day, they're all just like looking for happiness,
Speaker 6: but they may not realize that. And Coop was like,
Speaker 6: you already have what everyone's searching for, so you should
Speaker 6: just feel like the most successful person in the world.
Speaker 6: So I think, yeah, that helped go Creeper, go Offoper.
Speaker 5: Now, what would be because we're going to take a
Speaker 5: little bit of it from the small business chat back
Speaker 5: to our career chat for our career gals Career galies,
Speaker 5: what would be your top five tips when it comes
Speaker 5: to getting your dream job?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I love this question because you could absolutely have any
Speaker 2: job you want.
Speaker 6: Definitely, it's a start. Get experience however you can. I
Speaker 6: worked for free so much when I was first starting out,
Speaker 6: and I think everyone always says, you know, you can't
Speaker 6: have this job because you can't get experience, And how
Speaker 6: do you get experience if you can't get in the job.
Speaker 6: So I think, just like, get experience however you can,
Speaker 6: because that's going to be huge in terms of just
Speaker 6: even just being able to show your dream employer that
Speaker 6: you've got out and you've put in this effort that's
Speaker 6: going to make you stand out from everyone else.
Speaker 2: I think the next.
Speaker 6: Thing is going into things with the right attitude and confidence.
Speaker 6: If I was hiring someone, I would be looking at
Speaker 6: who they were as a person more so than the
Speaker 6: skills that they had, because I think you can upskill anyone,
Speaker 6: but it's harder to change who they are and how
Speaker 6: they're going to show up in your business. So I
Speaker 6: would say go in with the right confidence and the
Speaker 6: right attitude that you are willing to learn, put your
Speaker 6: hand up, go the extra mile, and be able to
Speaker 6: demonstrate that within you know, an interview or anything like that,
Speaker 6: because that is huge in terms of how valuable you
Speaker 6: are in a business. I think also doing something to
Speaker 6: stand out in your application.
Speaker 2: I know, for you did the vision.
Speaker 5: Board, Yeah, I brought that to my interview. My interview
Speaker 5: application was like about presentation. Yeah, first slide was, yeah,
Speaker 5: why you should?
Speaker 3: I be like six, we love it.
Speaker 6: You love the confidence, And I sent in a video
Speaker 6: with mine, which that was why I got the interview.
Speaker 6: So I think, especially if you're wanting to go into
Speaker 6: marketing or a pre industry, that's yeah, anything that's a creative,
Speaker 6: an industry that is quite competitive. You need to be
Speaker 6: able to do something that is going to make you
Speaker 6: stand out in your application. I just if you're setting
Speaker 6: in just a word document resume and cover letter.
Speaker 3: Luck.
Speaker 5: I think on that though, it is like very important
Speaker 5: to read the company and read the industry you're in,
Speaker 5: because I know that some people go over and above
Speaker 5: with resumes and the feedback they get is I needed
Speaker 5: to see that on one page, like I don't have
Speaker 5: the time.
Speaker 3: To page through.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but definitely try to stand out within your industry.
Speaker 2: Well I mean it, Yeah, definitely depends on your industry. Obviously.
Speaker 6: In this industry, people want to see the ability to
Speaker 6: be able to be creative and think.
Speaker 2: Outside the box.
Speaker 6: But if you know you want to be a doctor
Speaker 6: or something, maybe don't send in a couple of powerfoy presentation.
Speaker 2: Though, do what feels first for you.
Speaker 6: I think the next thing is genuinely learn and about
Speaker 6: the brand and care about the brand.
Speaker 2: If you're just.
Speaker 6: Sending in the same generic resume and cover letter. Again,
Speaker 6: it depends on the industry, but for me, when I
Speaker 6: look at resumes and cover letters, I want to see
Speaker 6: that the person genuinely cares about the brand, especially at
Speaker 6: rise and conquer because it is such a community based business.
Speaker 6: So to be able to see someone who genuinely cares
Speaker 6: about the mission and the values and everything like that
Speaker 6: behind the brand makes them stand out a lot. So
Speaker 6: definitely that for getting a dream job. And the last
Speaker 6: one is to never stop learning. If you are able
Speaker 6: to show to your potential employees that you have gone
Speaker 6: above and beyond to continuously learn, you're going to be
Speaker 6: such an asset to their business because you're going to
Speaker 6: be continuously up leveling in everything that you do. So
Speaker 6: to be able to demonstrate that at whether that is
Speaker 6: through doing, you know, little courses or anything like that,
Speaker 6: just having that attitude of never stop learning, that is
Speaker 6: going to be really valuable for employers when they're looking
Speaker 6: at who they want to hire, because if you have
Speaker 6: that growth mindset, they're going to see how much you're
Speaker 6: going to, you know, continuously up level within their company
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 3: I love that. Thank you for sharing those tips.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 5: What I guess you've kind of already touched on this,
Speaker 5: but what skills and attributes do you value in team members?
Speaker 2: Oh, this is a good one.
Speaker 3: Tell me what you love about me?
Speaker 6: Well, I think I think such A huge thing that
Speaker 6: I look for in team members is the ability to
Speaker 6: be self led and have self responsibility, because as a manager,
Speaker 6: it can be really hard to continuously you know, be
Speaker 6: across everything all the time. Yeah, So the ability to
Speaker 6: be able to be self led and go the extra
Speaker 6: mile and you know, do more than is expected of you,
Speaker 6: that is always to be really beneficial to your manager
Speaker 6: or your employer. And I think just like dedicating yourself
Speaker 6: to the role and showing up in your own authentic way,
Speaker 6: and how you can add value in your own you know,
Speaker 6: thinking and everything like that is so valuable. And being
Speaker 6: able to think outside the box and come up with creativity,
Speaker 6: which I think everyone does very well. Mavee a little
Speaker 6: too well. We've got so many ideas flown around here.
Speaker 6: But just just being able to bring your own perspective
Speaker 6: to the business I think is so beneficial. And I
Speaker 6: think a lot of people sometimes get stuck in wanting
Speaker 6: to replicate other business the leaders in the business or
Speaker 6: anything like that. But I think it's so valuable to
Speaker 6: have those different perspectives and see things in different ways.
Speaker 6: And of course organization, you know, I love this, Yes,
Speaker 6: Jamie of Notion, I just if I just want to
Speaker 6: be able to say to someone, can you have me
Speaker 6: have this to be on this date? And it's all
Speaker 6: organized and they bring it to me and you know
Speaker 6: they're just fully across it. So I think just how
Speaker 6: you hold yourself within the business, how you show up
Speaker 6: and take your own responsibility within your role, and how
Speaker 6: you know you're managing yourself is so huge because then
Speaker 6: it takes that pressure off the manager to then be
Speaker 6: that person for everyone, which obviously as a manager you
Speaker 6: need to have some degree of doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, it's very valuable in a team member.
Speaker 5: And how would you suggest someone show that to a
Speaker 5: potential impoint because obviously that's something quite I feel it
Speaker 5: comes out after you're working somewhere. But how could you
Speaker 5: or how would you say you went for a job
Speaker 5: show that you have that skill to someone else.
Speaker 6: I think there's a few things with that is how
Speaker 6: are you living your everyday life? Is it congruent to
Speaker 6: that sort of personality, because I think when I look
Speaker 6: at potential employees and things like that, looking at how
Speaker 6: they show up in their everyday life says a lot
Speaker 6: about how they're going to show up in your business.
Speaker 6: So I think being able to demonstrate that as that
Speaker 6: is just who you are as a person. It's not
Speaker 6: something you have to try and do or it's not
Speaker 6: something you have to like go out of the way
Speaker 6: to do. It's just who you are and how you're
Speaker 6: living every single day. Yeah, And I think also just
Speaker 6: how you deal with a company within that hiring process
Speaker 6: says a lot about how you're then going to show
Speaker 6: up within the business. So being onto things, don't be
Speaker 6: scared to follow up, don't be scared to send like
Speaker 6: a thank you email, don't be scared to add extra
Speaker 6: things into your application that are going to show them
Speaker 6: how organized you are, how self led you are, like
Speaker 6: for example, me sending that video to Georgie and answering
Speaker 6: questions that she hadn't even put into the application process. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that then shows a lot about how you're going to
Speaker 6: go the extra mile and do things that haven't been
Speaker 6: asked of you.
Speaker 2: So I think it's just about.
Speaker 6: Being congruent and integral in every single aspect of your life.
Speaker 6: So then it's just a part of who you are.
Speaker 5: And for someone who maybe isn't as good at that
Speaker 5: yet and wants to develop those skills, what would maybe
Speaker 5: be your top two or three tips for someone who
Speaker 5: wants to become like more organized, more across everything.
Speaker 3: I know you've Jamie, Guys, Jamie set up the best
Speaker 3: notion for rn C.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, for us to do in our personal lives,
Speaker 5: how would you like what are your dips?
Speaker 6: I think just looking at your everyday life and how
Speaker 6: you're showing up, Like, how is your morning routine looking? Like?
Speaker 2: Are you struggling with your morning routine?
Speaker 6: Because if that is your biggest problem in the day,
Speaker 6: then it's going to be hard to then adopt organization
Speaker 6: and being you know, self led in a business. So
Speaker 6: for me, I think just nailing those small things in
Speaker 6: your life, because the small things really add up.
Speaker 2: To be the big things.
Speaker 6: And if you can be across those sorts of things
Speaker 6: and you don't even have to think about it, the rest.
Speaker 2: Of your life is going to be so much easier.
Speaker 5: Literally, I've experienced that transformation this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an amazing tim And now, like.
Speaker 5: I guess you've sort of spoken as a manager as
Speaker 5: an employee, what do you think it's most important to do?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 6: I think your attitude and how you show up and
Speaker 6: hold yourself at work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so important.
Speaker 6: How are you showing up and showing your employers and
Speaker 6: you know, the people who run the business that you
Speaker 6: are so valuable and that they can't do it without you.
Speaker 2: How are you going the extra mile?
Speaker 6: How are you, you know, showing up within your role
Speaker 6: even if they haven't asked things of you, doing more
Speaker 6: than is what is expected of you. I think I've
Speaker 6: always made sure, you know, in every role that I've had,
Speaker 6: I've shown them that I'm willing to do you know,
Speaker 6: the extromal. I'll always put my hand up first. I'll
Speaker 6: always rather than coming to them with the problem, I'll
Speaker 6: come to them with the problem and the solution. Because
Speaker 6: as employers and business owners, you have so much going
Speaker 6: on in your day to day life. So to be
Speaker 6: a team member who then solves problems for them and
Speaker 6: makes their life as easy as possible, you're going to
Speaker 6: be such an asset to the business and you're going
Speaker 6: to be seen as such a valuable team member. So
Speaker 6: I think just how you show up, how you hold yourself,
Speaker 6: how you lead yourself, is such an important part to
Speaker 6: being a good employee.
Speaker 5: And I guess this is a bit of track, but
Speaker 5: I would love to know your thoughts on I know
Speaker 5: it's not something we really experience here because we love
Speaker 5: our jobs, But say you were working somewhere and it's
Speaker 5: it's a bit more corporate, because I know we do
Speaker 5: have a little bit some corporate galies that listen of
Speaker 5: it's a big business. You're in maybe a department that
Speaker 5: you're not quite gelling with, and you want to move
Speaker 5: somewhere and not necessarily a job open yet, but you
Speaker 5: don't love the role you're in. What would sort of
Speaker 5: be your tips for someone on how they can genuinely
Speaker 5: and authentically show up in a role that isn't quite
Speaker 5: aligned with them just yet.
Speaker 6: Well, I've experienced this because I have worked corporate and
Speaker 6: it wasn't for me. But I never rely on external
Speaker 6: factors to dictate how I'll show up internally. So if
Speaker 6: I no matter what environment I'm in or you know,
Speaker 6: what I'm dealing with, I'll still stay integral to who
Speaker 6: I am, And for me, who I am is showing
Speaker 6: up as that person, and that's what's important to me,
Speaker 6: not the external factors. So I think, just thinking about
Speaker 6: yourself as a human, how do you want to show up?
Speaker 6: How is the person who is in the role that's
Speaker 6: going to be, you know, so aligned and so in
Speaker 6: their purpose and passion. How are they going to be
Speaker 6: showing up? Because if you want to attract that opportunity,
Speaker 6: you need to already be showing up as that person.
Speaker 5: It's kind of almost playing into a little bit of
Speaker 5: delusional energy in the best way.
Speaker 6: Just pretend that you're like, but yeah, I think it's
Speaker 6: just if you want the universe to be able to say,
Speaker 6: here you go, here's your dream role, you're going to
Speaker 6: have to show up as if you were already in
Speaker 6: that dream role.
Speaker 2: So I think it's just about using.
Speaker 6: That motivation and passion to show up as if you
Speaker 6: already have it, and don't let It's like that whole
Speaker 6: thing of like, are you're going to get up and
Speaker 6: go to the gym when it's raining, when you're tired?
Speaker 6: Those sorts of things like how you show up when
Speaker 6: things are hard says a lot about then how.
Speaker 2: You'll show up when things are good.
Speaker 6: So I think it's just staying integral to that and
Speaker 6: not letting the external factors affect your internal world.
Speaker 5: What would be your tips to standing out at work?
Speaker 5: So you're in a workplace you really love, you're gutting
Speaker 5: for a promotion, what would you what advice would you
Speaker 5: give to someone to get that promotion? Yeah, or like
Speaker 5: whatever they're after, if they're after a pay rise in
Speaker 5: their current role. If they're after a promotion but there
Speaker 5: isn't one yet to apply for, how would you recommend
Speaker 5: they start showing up to attract that?
Speaker 3: I guess opportunity.
Speaker 6: Well, you need to be able to show your employer
Speaker 6: why you're more valuable now than when you first started,
Speaker 6: and how you have excelled within your own role. So
Speaker 6: things like how are you making the business maybe more money,
Speaker 6: how are you doing more things than when you first started,
Speaker 6: how are you going the extra mile in work? I
Speaker 6: would be showing the company every single day why you're
Speaker 6: an asset and why you're worth the extra investment or
Speaker 6: the promotion or that extra responsibility, whatever it may be.
Speaker 6: So if I was then how to tackle that like conversation,
Speaker 6: to have the to ask for that whatever you are
Speaker 6: asking for.
Speaker 2: Is because also you've got to have the conversation. You
Speaker 2: can't just be kind.
Speaker 3: Of doing it and then be like bring it to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I think it's so important, and I think
Speaker 6: so many people wait to be approached for a pay
Speaker 6: rise or wait to be approached for a promotion, but
Speaker 6: are you actually having the right conversations with the right
Speaker 6: people in the business. So I would be going to
Speaker 6: them with either a spreadsheet or a document on what
Speaker 6: you were doing when you first started, what skills you
Speaker 6: had when you first started, how much money the business
Speaker 6: was making maybe when you first started, and then how
Speaker 6: that is different now because you were hired for a
Speaker 6: certain role, and you were hired as a certain person
Speaker 6: with a certain skill level, with certain responsibilities, and if
Speaker 6: you want to go to the next level, how are
Speaker 6: you actually worth that level?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: And I think, yeah, I think a lot of people,
Speaker 6: you know, wait till it's like six months, or wait
Speaker 6: till it's a certain anniversary or whatever. But how are
Speaker 6: you actually more valuable within the business to be worth
Speaker 6: that extra responsibility, investment, whatever it is.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter how much time it's been, No.
Speaker 6: I think it matters how you've held yourself in that
Speaker 6: business and how you've excelled and become a more valuable
Speaker 6: team member.
Speaker 5: I love that, And I guess bit of a heavy
Speaker 5: question to end on, but can you feel completely fulfilled
Speaker 5: working for someone else? Because I do think a lot
Speaker 5: of people go to starting their own business and working
Speaker 5: for themselves because they aren't feeling fulfilled in working for
Speaker 5: someone else. They feel like they don't have freedom or
Speaker 5: all of those sorts of things. Knowing your journey now
Speaker 5: as someone who who did work in a company that
Speaker 5: was corporate that didn't really align with who you were,
Speaker 5: and then started your own business and now work at
Speaker 5: R and Z completely and your business is on hiatus,
Speaker 5: what would you say?
Speaker 6: One hundred percent? I think there is such a stigma
Speaker 6: around the only way to feel fulfilled or purposeful or
Speaker 6: whatever it is is to have your own thing. And
Speaker 6: for me, I tried both and I actually feel more
Speaker 6: in my purpose and more fulfilled working at Rise and
Speaker 6: Conquer than I did within my business. And I think
Speaker 6: if you have this constant pressure on yourself that the
Speaker 6: only way you're going to feel fulfilled is working for yourself,
Speaker 6: then you're you're probably gonna block yourself from actually finding
Speaker 6: that true fulfillment because you will feel fulfilled doing whatever
Speaker 6: is best for you. And I think it's just letting
Speaker 6: go of that feeling that you need to be doing
Speaker 6: your own thing to feel fulfilled, because I certainly feel
Speaker 6: more in my purpose and more aligned than ever before
Speaker 6: within this business. So I think also just with the
Speaker 6: amount of people with businesses now, it can feel like
Speaker 6: such a pressure and people can feel like in their
Speaker 6: career they're you know, they're just working for someone else
Speaker 6: or working for the man or whatever, you know, those
Speaker 6: different things that people say, and I just don't don't
Speaker 6: believe in that, Like, you can feel fulfilled doing whatever
Speaker 6: you want. And yeah, I think it's just so important
Speaker 6: that we let go of that stigma to only feel
Speaker 6: fulfilled doing some crazy business or sorry like that.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for sharing, and thank you for
Speaker 3: your time today.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 5: We've loved having you on and we'll see everyone in
Speaker 5: the next episode with you where we answer some of
Speaker 5: their questions.
Speaker 3: Can't wait.
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