WEBVTT - Career vs Entrepreneurship with Jayme (R&C Brand Manager) 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.160 I would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of the 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.560 land on which this episode is being recorded, the Komboo 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:07.360 Marry people. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:08.320 We pay our. 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:12.400 Respects to elders past, present and emerging and extend that 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:16.200 respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. Today 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:23.799 I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson, and this is the Rise 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:32.040 and Conquer Podcast. This is the podcast where we cha mindset, 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:36.120 self development and becoming your higher self mix soon with 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.879 a lot of laughs, plus behind the scenes of my 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:42.599 life running two businesses and being among Think of us 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:44.880 as the perfect combo of brunch with your. 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:46.800 Besties mixed with self development. 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:49.760 No matter where you are in your journey, We're here 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.159 to help you be curious, pull yourself out, and embrace 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:54.840 radical self awareness. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:58.000 If you're ready to get into. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.000 The driver's seat of your own life, stop letting life 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:02.920 pass you by, then you're. 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:03.560 In the right place. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.800 Hey everyone, welcome back to the potty Today we have 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:20.759 such a special episode. I'm interviewing Jamie, our RNC brand manager. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:25.640 Hi Jamie, Hello everyone, and we're gonna chat about all 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:29.440 things Korea and business. We noticed a common theme in 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:32.280 the Facebook group of people talking about how they can 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.959 get more freedom and really thrive in their career, and 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.800 it kind of seemed like everyone was thinking that they 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:41.440 needed to start their own business. 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:42.200 To get those things. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.759 And we do know there is a lot of talk 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.280 online about that sort of thing of how working for 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.640 yourself is very fulfilling and happy and great, and we 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.120 know it is all those things, but we really also 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.960 wanted to show you that it isn't the only way 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.720 to get all of those things, So you can be 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:04.280 for field and happy and really thrive working for someone else. 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.799 And Jamie has had experience in both, so we thought 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.639 we'd chat to her about it. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:12.480 So exciting. 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.080 In this episode, we also dive deep into how you 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.280 can excel in your career, how you can kind of 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:21.760 move up in your career, find fulfillment, find something that 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.640 you do love doing, and yeah, also I guess attract 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:29.040 your dream job and attract dream opportunities. So if you 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:32.320 are someone who is wanting to go to the next 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.560 level with your career or find a job that really 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.440 lights you up, you'll love today's episode. 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.320 You will, and Jamie also shares some pretty crazy stories, 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.000 So let's. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.040 Get into it. 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.880 Welcome to the podcast, Jamie thank you happy to be here. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:56.720 We're so excited to have you. 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:01.240 So we are going to do this interview in two parts. 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.680 The first one is going to be all about Korea 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.160 and feeling fulfilled in your career. We noticed a running 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:08.920 theme in the Facebook group with a lot of people 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.320 who were thinking about massive career pivots and things and 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:15.119 feeling like it's too late and all the things, so 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.320 we thought we'd get the queen. 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.880 Of career on here, Jabie Love a good career. 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.200 And the second part, which we will be dropping soon, 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.600 is questioned from our community, which is like a little 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.840 bit of small business questions, a little bit of career, 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:32.440 just a mix. So let's get straight into it. For 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.600 anyone who doesn't know, do you want to tell us 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:37.160 a little bit about yourself and what you do? 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.400 Of course, I'm Jamie. I'm the marketing and brand manager 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:45.520 here at RNC, So basically I manage the team and 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:49.040 do all the marketing strategy and business strategy and then 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.240 work with the team to execute it all, which is 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.400 a lot of fun, a lot of variety. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:57.160 And yeah, and what about you personally tell us a. 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.040 Little bit about yourself outside of work? 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.080 Outside of work? Okay, we know this is something you 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.680 struggle with it, but I guess I don't know. Just 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.520 moved up to the Gold Coast in December. I have 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.640 a dog, obviously, love to go out, be social, love 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:18.440 the beach, love self development, and I feel like my 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.400 biggest passions in life really tie into work here, but 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:22.200 I do a lot. 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.680 Of that outside of work as well. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.280 I feel like, yeah, guys, Jamie, we have this running joke. 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.240 I think we've said it on this podcast before and 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.159 stories or something, but Jamie's life is a literally seventy 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:33.120 five part I. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:38.320 Love a good routine, trend, jim love walking on the beach, sunset, sunrises, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:39.080 all the good stuff. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:40.119 She just says all the things. 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:41.560 I feel like I'm the kind. 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.640 Of person who has to squeeze the most out of 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.080 every single minute in every single day and always be 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.080 doing something so fair. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.560 And I know this isn't on the question list, but 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.359 do you want to share your life's purpose with us? 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:54.960 Oh? 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:55.839 Yes, I would love to. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.400 My life's purpose is to leave people better off than 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.880 when I f them, which is very simple, but I 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.440 feel like it's something that I can easily navigate back 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.920 to in every part of my life. And you know, 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.280 in my relationships, in my work, in everything that I do, 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.159 I feel like I am fulfilling that purpose. So something 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:15.920 nice and simple. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:16.640 Love it. 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.920 Now let's get into the questions. All right, so excited 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.640 Number one? What has your professional journey been? 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:28.720 Okay, So, I, as pretty much everyone in this office, 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.680 I did a Bachelor of Communications, majoring in public relations 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:36.640 and minoring in marketing. I got into it because I 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.240 loved writing. As we all know, I'm a big words gal. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.960 And then from that I started as a marketing coordinator 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.320 and I was also kind of doing social media stuff 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.280 on the side just for free to get experience a 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:54.680 small businesses. And then I got into marketing in like 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.800 a more corporate way. So I did marketing for a 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.680 business coaching firm and realized that whilst it was such 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.479 good experience, the corporate world just wasn't for me. It 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:10.600 didn't feel aligned, it didn't feel fun. So I saw 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:15.120 Georgie advertising a podcast manager. Position at the time was 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.080 only like part time, but it just felt very aligned 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.719 for me. So I applied for that and I got 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:25.400 it obviously, and then since then I have just worked 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.520 my way up in R and C and kind of 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.400 grown as the business has grown. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.560 And then I also had MAD. 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.839 Which was my small business. I still have it, but 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.520 we've taken a little hiatus. And yeah, I think that 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.719 also excelled me a lot in my career and professional journey. 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.040 I learned so much in that, which we'll get into. 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.560 And when did you start MAD? 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.760 Well, I wasn't actually in the start of MAD. I 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.159 came into it a few months in, but I think 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.479 it was about two years ago, so maybe like four 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.359 months after I started working for Georgie. So I was 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.960 doing that full time and also business full time, so 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.200 pretty much working life. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.880 Yeah, but you know I love work, so I didn't mind. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.720 Now could you share a little bit more about what 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:12.720 your business was? 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:18.080 Of course, So Mad is a sustainable activewear company. So 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.320 we make all of our pieces out of recycled plastic bottles, 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.120 which is very cool, and yeah, I think it kind 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:30.240 of encompasses a lot of wellness, lifestyle, sustainability. It was 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.920 a very like lifestyle kind of brand alongside being that 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.760 sustainable active were label, so it was very intentional and purposeful. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.840 And yeah, that's pretty much sums it up. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.480 We love Now, why did you want to start your 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.840 own business? How did you sort of end up in Mad. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.720 You mentioned you rolled in a few months in, So 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:51.720 how did that all look? 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:52.960 Well? 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:57.720 I actually went from being strangers to business partners within 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.520 twenty four hours, you wild gal, which was such a 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.280 well wind and so random of me. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:03.800 A bit rogue. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:08.360 But basically, Maddie had started MAD I think it was 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:12.520 maybe four months before I came on, and she had 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.760 spent a couple of years coming up with a concept, 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.440 finding a supplier, all those things, and she thought the 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.000 hardest part of starting a business would be that starting 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.440 the business, but as she grew into it, she kind 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.800 of realized the hardest part about starting a business is 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:31.160 getting it out there and getting customers into your business. Yeah, 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.199 so I knew Maddie kind I hadn't met her or 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.320 anything like that, but we just had a mutual friend 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.360 and my mutual friend said you should get Jamie over, 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.400 get her to help her help you with some marketing, 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.720 which I was kind of doing a little bit then. 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.720 But I went over and we just clicked, got on 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.840 like a house on fire, and we were very aligned, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:54.720 very into sustainability, both like plant based, both loved business. 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.920 But she was like the kind of like Cooper and 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.760 Georgie set up where yeah, Cooper's like very much the logistics, finance, 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.559 operations side of the business, and then Georgie's like marketing 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:06.680 all the fun stuff. 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:07.280 Yeah. 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:11.360 So Maddie was a lawyer by trade, so she was 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.640 very much like in that financial side of the business 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.000 and loved all the cash flow side of. 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:17.440 Things and that. 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.520 And then yeah, I came over and was very much 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.320 into the marketing and all of that side of things. 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:24.240 And then the. 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.400 Next day I kind of said, you know, if you 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.880 want some help, more help with marketing, just let me know. 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.920 And she was like, Wow, I was wondering, would you 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.560 like to be my business partner? And I had never 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.400 really I had never really thought about having a product 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.240 based business. I thought, of I had a business, it 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.360 would be coaching and helping people with their marketing, because 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:49.080 that's where I was feel most aligned to. But I 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.240 just thought, these opportunities don't just pop up out of 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.679 know where, like someone is trusting me with their business. 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.200 She always thought she would never have anyone else in 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.000 no business, and she said a few times there was 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.080 people who approached her and stuff like that, but it 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.880 just felt so aligned with me, and I thought this 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.119 is gonna be such a good opportunity, so much experience, 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.800 so I said yes, and we just started. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:10.480 I love that. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.080 So yeah, I know, And like a few people have 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.640 asked us how we, you know, decided to be business 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.840 partners together and how that navigated that relationship, And whenever 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.640 we say it went from like strangers to business partners 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.160 in twenty four hours, people especially who have had a 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:26.400 business partner are like. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:33.280 What, reflecting back, do you think it was actually easier 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:37.000 to maybe navigate the business partner relationship because you were 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.280 kind of strangers and there was no like pre existing 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.160 friendship or things you had to worry. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.600 About one hundred percent And me and Mad's are the 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.920 kind of relationship where we are so honest with each other. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:49.920 Our communication is like next level. 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.640 We people always say we act like a married couple 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:57.079 because we're just so honest with each other upfront. 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:58.040 And if she came. 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.400 To me with an idea and I thought it wasn't 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:01.120 gonna work out, I. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.280 Was just like, nah, like that sucks. 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.760 No, I just that's not where we're headed or of 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.560 you know, it's same thing. We were just so and 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.080 we both thought so differently, but we had a very 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.360 mutual agreement that the main priority was the business. And 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.200 it's not like we were had a relationship first and 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:19.040 that was the priority. 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:20.360 Their priority was the business. 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.760 So every decision we made was from that, not from 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.120 trying to like look at our relationship or anything like that. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.960 But we've grown to be like best friends, So I 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.800 love that. Yeah, But definitely I think it's I think 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.840 it's almost better to not have that relationship because I 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.320 think it can be so challenging to then navigate that. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.559 You have to have a very special kind of relationship 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.880 to be in business together, because it is like a marriage. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:50.080 Our next question is what was sort of the realities 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.000 of starting your own business like? 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:52.960 And were there any. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:57.160 Read shocks, because I feel like often, especially on socials, 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.600 you see a lot of the like reflect to post 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.880 of people like who were in the trenches and they 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.080 were they say, oh my gosh, it was so hard 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.480 in the beginning stages, but I'm so glad I pushed through. 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.520 Look at me three years later, look at me five 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.679 years later with like seven eight figure business. 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.200 But what was it like for you? 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:23.200 I think the realities of starting a business is you 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.400 have to make so many sacrifices in the beginning, and 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.960 you have to go all in, and you're doing things 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:33.720 that a lot of the people around you aren't doing, so, 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.800 you know, working really long hours, missing out on social events. 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.800 And I think that was a big shock to the 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.679 system at the start because I'm such a social person. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:48.520 But I think that just gave me so many lessons 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:52.720 in terms of boundaries and kind of working out what 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.120 my priorities were. But I think at the start of 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.760 a business, you kind of just think, oh, I'll just 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.800 come up with this business plan, I'll just put it 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.040 out there and people will just buy my products because 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.640 you kind of only usually see and I think TikTok's 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.640 kind of changed this a little bit, but you usually 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.360 only see the success stories and you only really see 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.720 people who have like quote unquote made it. So I 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:18.320 think at the start, it's just the biggest reality thing 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.600 is one how much your life actually changes when you 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.679 start a business, and how much you have to then 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.400 navigate that and kind of step into a whole new 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.760 version of yourself. And then also that it's not all 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.679 just fun in games and it's not always just like 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:38.600 smooth sailing. And I think there's such a big thing 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.320 at the moment of having a small business or having 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.720 your own business and the lifestyle and freedom. You know, 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.960 you usually go into it to get more freedom, more money, 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.840 and usually does the opposite at the start. So I 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.880 think they were the biggest reality shocks for me. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.760 And did it sort of move as fast or as 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.120 slow as you expected, or what what sort of happened 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:02.200 for you in that sort of term. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:07.960 We actually had MOTT We actually had mad At during COVID, 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.800 so that was huge for e commerce. That like blew 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:16.040 up businesses, and there was so much expendable income for people. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.959 They were at home, they weren't doing anything besides online shopping. 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:22.760 So I think at the start, so many businesses saw 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.360 exponential growth and saw so many sales, and then it 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:32.800 almost gave you a reality that moving forward with that, that's. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:33.720 What it was going to be like. 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.960 But then as people started to go, you know, back 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.160 into their normal lifestyles and things like that, and especially 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:44.160 with the economy at the moment, those sales just went down. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.520 And I think for a lot of businesses who had 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.760 started in COVID, they had such an unrealistic expectation of 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.520 how much they were going to be able to grow 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:55.160 outside of COVID. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.760 Yeah, and I think, yeah, it was. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.040 It was an interesting time for e commerce in in 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:04.280 terms of navigating that because you we were like, oh, 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.360 this is so easy, like so many people are buying 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.360 there's and especially with a sustainable business, you're at a 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.440 higher price point. And as we came out of COVID, 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:17.000 that really showed because people were not as willing to 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.440 spend that higher price point on sustainable things because they 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.360 came out and for them what was more important was money. 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.120 So they're then going to go to, you know, obviously 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.560 a more affordable option. So I think, yeah, during COVID 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.880 just gave a bit of unrealistic expectations for small business. 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.120 And when you guys sort of obviously would have seen 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:40.240 that growth and then started to see the decline, how 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.800 did that make you feel in terms of your business success? 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.560 How did it make you feel. 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.600 In terms of yourself and what you were doing, because 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.040 I assume you would have like leveled up and up 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.200 and up and then it just wasn't working. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:55.840 How did you navigate that period? 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.600 I think it was just all about learning how to 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:04.240 pivot and not hold so much emotion attached to those 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.960 like metrics and success and really look at like how 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.640 you were then going to strengthen who you were within 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.680 that business. I feel like having a small business has 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.600 done more for my mindset than any other journey I've 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.200 been on in my life because it does just like 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.280 test you so much, and you have to learn to 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.560 like isolate your own identity from something that is kind 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.760 of so attached to it. So I think just learning 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.400 how to navigate that and yes, still show up when 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:35.440 maybe you're not getting the result that you want, and 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:39.000 still show up and try and pivot, and you know 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.600 it almost gave you such a big opportunity to go 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.120 to the next level or do things in an even 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.120 more like insane way because you were pushing harder for 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:48.640 that result. 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:58.000 A really expensive life coach, Yeah, pretty much. So our 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:02.400 next question, what were your your favorite lessons from being 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:03.240 a business owner? 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:04.800 I love this. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.160 I truly believe what you learn from having a business 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:12.280 kind of almost time collapses what you'll learn in your 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:13.840 career because you. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.520 Don't have anyone else to rely upon. You only have yourself. 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.120 So you are in the trenches doing absolutely everything, You're 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.199 playing a million roles at once, and you don't have 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.240 anyone to go to to kind of get the answer. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.120 And I think when you don't have anyone to rely upon, 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:31.880 you learn at such. 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.800 A rapid rate. I truly believe I wouldn't be. 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.280 At the position I'm in my career if it wasn't 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:41.560 for having MAD. And I think just the self responsibility 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.119 and the ability to be self led that comes from 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:49.240 having a business is something that I am so grateful 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.119 that I learn. And I think also just the resilience 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:53.879 and the mindset that comes with it, because it is 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.119 such an emotional rollercoaster and you kind of have to 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.840 learn how to put yourself out there, deal with projections, 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.080 deal with judgment, deal with things not going the way 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.920 that you want, and you just have to keep showing 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.280 up because you don't have any other option. And I 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.119 think what that did for my mindset and my ability 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:18.560 to show up authentically as myself is yeah, probably one 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.840 of the biggest things that I've ever learned in my life. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.680 I know you mentioned earlier that you are currently taking 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.120 a bit of a hiatus from MAD and what sort 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:31.120 of made you decide you and Maddie, I guess, decide 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.399 to take this hiatus from your business, because that I 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.680 can imagine would have been a massive decision. 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:41.280 Massive so Basically, I was burning the candle at both ends, 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.120 and I was trying to put one hundred percent into 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.040 my role in R and C and also my role 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.639 in the business. And Maddie was kind of doing the 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.439 same thing because she has her own pt business as well. 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.280 And when I decided that I was going to move 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.200 up to the Gold Coast because I wanted to come 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.240 to the next stage of my career and go all 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.639 in in R and C, I kind of had to 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.719 reassess my life and reordit. 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:12.240 What I was putting energy into. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.320 And I knew that my role in R and C 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:20.240 and rn C as a business was so aligned to 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.359 I guess what my purpose in life is. 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.879 And I decided that I wanted to go all in 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:26.480 in R and C. 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.520 And for me to do that, I kind of needed 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.840 to let go of MAD because I just knew that 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.119 I couldn't do both at one hundred percent. I think 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.240 it's hard when you have a small business because you 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.679 kind of need to have that income on the side 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:41.959 of having a full time job. But I guess it 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.280 needs to be something that you're not fully in vested in, 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:49.000 because to be able to do both is very hard. 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:52.320 I did it for two years and it was yeah, tough. 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.640 It took a lot of energy all the time, and 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:59.199 I think it was it was a big realization for 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.720 me that you don't have to always have a small 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.399 business or your own thing to feel really fulfilled in 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:09.760 your purpose and to feel like you're quote unquote successful. 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:12.200 And what success looked like for. 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.119 Me was being all in an R and C and 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.840 growing with the business and I just believe in it 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:17.760 so wholeheartedly. 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.080 So yeah, we just. 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.359 Kind of decided that for now it was best that 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:25.320 we took a step back from mad because we never 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.240 wanted it to be a chore or we never wanted 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.280