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Speaker 1: Respects to elders past, present and emerging and extend that

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Speaker 1: respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. Today

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson, and this is the Rise

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Speaker 1: and Conquer Podcast. This is the podcast where we cha mindset,

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Speaker 1: self development and becoming your higher self mix soon with

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Speaker 1: a lot of laughs, plus behind the scenes of my

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Speaker 1: life running two businesses and being among Think of us

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Speaker 1: as the perfect combo of brunch with your.

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Speaker 3: Besties mixed with self development.

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Speaker 4: No matter where you are in your journey, We're here

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Speaker 4: to help you be curious, pull yourself out, and embrace

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Speaker 4: radical self awareness.

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Speaker 1: If you're ready to get into.

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Speaker 4: The driver's seat of your own life, stop letting life

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Speaker 4: pass you by, then you're.

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Speaker 3: In the right place.

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Speaker 5: Hey everyone, welcome back to the potty Today we have

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Speaker 5: such a special episode. I'm interviewing Jamie, our RNC brand manager.

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Speaker 5: Hi Jamie, Hello everyone, and we're gonna chat about all

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Speaker 5: things Korea and business. We noticed a common theme in

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Speaker 5: it kind of seemed like everyone was thinking that they

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Speaker 5: And we do know there is a lot of talk

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Speaker 5: wanted to show you that it isn't the only way

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Speaker 5: You will, and Jamie also shares some pretty crazy stories,

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the podcast, Jamie thank you happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: We're so excited to have you.

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Speaker 5: So we are going to do this interview in two parts.

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Speaker 5: The first one is going to be all about Korea

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Speaker 5: anyone who doesn't know, do you want to tell us

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Speaker 6: Of course, I'm Jamie. I'm the marketing and brand manager

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Speaker 5: Number one? What has your professional journey been?

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Speaker 6: Of course, So Mad is a sustainable activewear company. So

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Speaker 6: so I knew Maddie kind I hadn't met her or

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Speaker 6: About one hundred percent And me and Mad's are the

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Speaker 2: Our communication is like next level.

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Speaker 6: that wasn't even a factor for me. I was just like,

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Speaker 6: what is going to make me feel the most happy

449
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Speaker 6: and fulfilled? And I think once you let go of

450
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Speaker 6: having to get money a certain way, it'll come in

451
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Speaker 6: another way.

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Speaker 5: And would that be your tip? Say someone's going through

453
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Speaker 5: and trying to make this decision for themselves at the moment,

454
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Speaker 5: what would be your tip sort of on the money

455
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Speaker 5: mindset side, I guess for them to I guess comfortably

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Speaker 5: let go of that side.

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Speaker 3: Income.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm for most people in small business, you're not

459
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Speaker 6: actually making an income anyways, because you're just putting everything

460
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Speaker 6: back into the business. So, but I would say if

461
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Speaker 6: you're holding on to having things look a certain way,

462
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Speaker 6: you're blocking yourself off from probably the next level of

463
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Speaker 6: yourself because you're holding onto a certain version of yourself.

464
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Speaker 6: And as soon as you let that go, you usually

465
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Speaker 6: step into the next level and usually step into you know,

466
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Speaker 6: the next stage of your life, which most likely will

467
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Speaker 6: be more money, more income. And I think, don't get

468
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Speaker 6: so stuck in things having to look a certain way

469
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Speaker 6: or feel a certain way. Just do whatever you're being

470
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Speaker 6: pulled to, because usually we'll end up pulling you exactly

471
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Speaker 6: where you're meant to go.

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Speaker 5: And when you sort of took the hiatus or did

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Speaker 5: that sort of thing, did you at endpoint feel like

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Speaker 5: a bit of a failure and how did you sort

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Speaker 5: of navigate that with yourself?

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Speaker 2: Of course I did.

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Speaker 6: I think everyone who lets go of something that they

478
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Speaker 6: were so fully in might always have those thoughts that

479
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Speaker 6: pop up. But what I kind of realized was I

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Speaker 6: don't actually believe in failure. I just don't think it's

481
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Speaker 6: a thing, because if I look at what Mad gave me,

482
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Speaker 6: and look at what that season of my life gave me,

483
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Speaker 6: it actually led to me feeling like the most successful

484
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Speaker 6: version of myself in this role and in where I'm

485
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Speaker 6: at in life. And if I didn't have that, I

486
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Speaker 6: might not have this. And I think failure isn't a thing.

487
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Speaker 6: It's usually just redirection onto the path that you're meant

488
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Speaker 6: to be on. And I think sometimes things don't work out,

489
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Speaker 6: so better things can fall into place. So once I

490
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Speaker 6: kind of navigated that and thought about it, I was like,

491
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Speaker 6: failure is not.

492
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Speaker 2: Even a thing.

493
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Speaker 6: I'm just stepping in a different direction and I'm stepping

494
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Speaker 6: into where I meant to be in life.

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Speaker 5: And did you find that hindsight sort of helped with

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Speaker 5: that or did you feel that way when you were

497
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Speaker 5: kind of in that trenches of the decision.

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Speaker 6: I think for me, I had to do the inner

499
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Speaker 6: work before.

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Speaker 2: That shift.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And if I hadn't have done the inner work,

502
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Speaker 6: then I wouldn't have made that shift. But definitely, I

503
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Speaker 6: think hindsight is a beautiful thing because now I'm in

504
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Speaker 6: my life and you know, I like crive happiness every day,

505
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Speaker 6: so I think being able to be in that stage

506
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Speaker 6: of my life. And I was even having this conversation

507
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Speaker 6: with Cooper about like what success is and how so

508
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 6: many people chase like money or a certain career or

509
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 6: having this business or whatever it is. But at the

510
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Speaker 6: end of the day, they're all just like looking for happiness,

511
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Speaker 6: but they may not realize that. And Coop was like,

512
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 6: you already have what everyone's searching for, so you should

513
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 6: just feel like the most successful person in the world.

514
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Speaker 6: So I think, yeah, that helped go Creeper, go Offoper.

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Speaker 5: Now, what would be because we're going to take a

516
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Speaker 5: little bit of it from the small business chat back

517
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Speaker 5: to our career chat for our career gals Career galies,

518
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Speaker 5: what would be your top five tips when it comes

519
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Speaker 5: to getting your dream job?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I love this question because you could absolutely have any

522
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Speaker 2: job you want.

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Speaker 6: Definitely, it's a start. Get experience however you can. I

524
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Speaker 6: worked for free so much when I was first starting out,

525
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Speaker 6: and I think everyone always says, you know, you can't

526
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Speaker 6: have this job because you can't get experience, And how

527
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Speaker 6: do you get experience if you can't get in the job.

528
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Speaker 6: So I think, just like, get experience however you can,

529
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Speaker 6: because that's going to be huge in terms of just

530
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Speaker 6: even just being able to show your dream employer that

531
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Speaker 6: you've got out and you've put in this effort that's

532
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Speaker 6: going to make you stand out from everyone else.

533
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Speaker 2: I think the next.

534
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Speaker 6: Thing is going into things with the right attitude and confidence.

535
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Speaker 6: If I was hiring someone, I would be looking at

536
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Speaker 6: who they were as a person more so than the

537
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Speaker 6: skills that they had, because I think you can upskill anyone,

538
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 6: but it's harder to change who they are and how

539
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 6: they're going to show up in your business. So I

540
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Speaker 6: would say go in with the right confidence and the

541
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Speaker 6: right attitude that you are willing to learn, put your

542
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Speaker 6: hand up, go the extra mile, and be able to

543
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Speaker 6: demonstrate that within you know, an interview or anything like that,

544
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Speaker 6: because that is huge in terms of how valuable you

545
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Speaker 6: are in a business. I think also doing something to

546
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Speaker 6: stand out in your application.

547
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Speaker 2: I know, for you did the vision.

548
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Speaker 5: Board, Yeah, I brought that to my interview. My interview

549
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 5: application was like about presentation. Yeah, first slide was, yeah,

550
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Speaker 5: why you should?

551
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Speaker 3: I be like six, we love it.

552
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Speaker 6: You love the confidence, And I sent in a video

553
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Speaker 6: with mine, which that was why I got the interview.

554
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Speaker 6: So I think, especially if you're wanting to go into

555
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Speaker 6: marketing or a pre industry, that's yeah, anything that's a creative,

556
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 6: an industry that is quite competitive. You need to be

557
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 6: able to do something that is going to make you

558
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Speaker 6: stand out in your application. I just if you're setting

559
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Speaker 6: in just a word document resume and cover letter.

560
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Speaker 3: Luck.

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Speaker 5: I think on that though, it is like very important

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Speaker 5: to read the company and read the industry you're in,

563
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Speaker 5: because I know that some people go over and above

564
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Speaker 5: with resumes and the feedback they get is I needed

565
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Speaker 5: to see that on one page, like I don't have

566
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Speaker 5: the time.

567
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Speaker 3: To page through.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but definitely try to stand out within your industry.

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Speaker 2: Well I mean it, Yeah, definitely depends on your industry. Obviously.

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Speaker 6: In this industry, people want to see the ability to

571
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Speaker 6: be able to be creative and think.

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Speaker 2: Outside the box.

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Speaker 6: But if you know you want to be a doctor

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Speaker 6: or something, maybe don't send in a couple of powerfoy presentation.

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00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: Though, do what feels first for you.

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Speaker 6: I think the next thing is genuinely learn and about

577
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Speaker 6: the brand and care about the brand.

578
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Speaker 2: If you're just.

579
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Speaker 6: Sending in the same generic resume and cover letter. Again,

580
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Speaker 6: it depends on the industry, but for me, when I

581
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Speaker 6: look at resumes and cover letters, I want to see

582
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Speaker 6: that the person genuinely cares about the brand, especially at

583
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Speaker 6: rise and conquer because it is such a community based business.

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Speaker 6: So to be able to see someone who genuinely cares

585
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Speaker 6: about the mission and the values and everything like that

586
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Speaker 6: behind the brand makes them stand out a lot. So

587
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Speaker 6: definitely that for getting a dream job. And the last

588
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Speaker 6: one is to never stop learning. If you are able

589
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Speaker 6: to show to your potential employees that you have gone

590
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Speaker 6: above and beyond to continuously learn, you're going to be

591
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Speaker 6: such an asset to their business because you're going to

592
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Speaker 6: be continuously up leveling in everything that you do. So

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Speaker 6: to be able to demonstrate that at whether that is

594
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Speaker 6: through doing, you know, little courses or anything like that,

595
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 6: just having that attitude of never stop learning, that is

596
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Speaker 6: going to be really valuable for employers when they're looking

597
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Speaker 6: at who they want to hire, because if you have

598
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Speaker 6: that growth mindset, they're going to see how much you're

599
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Speaker 6: going to, you know, continuously up level within their company

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Speaker 6: as well.

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Speaker 3: I love that. Thank you for sharing those tips.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome.

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Speaker 5: What I guess you've kind of already touched on this,

604
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Speaker 5: but what skills and attributes do you value in team members?

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is a good one.

606
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Speaker 3: Tell me what you love about me?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think I think such A huge thing that

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Speaker 6: I look for in team members is the ability to

609
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Speaker 6: be self led and have self responsibility, because as a manager,

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Speaker 6: it can be really hard to continuously you know, be

611
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Speaker 6: across everything all the time. Yeah, So the ability to

612
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Speaker 6: be able to be self led and go the extra

613
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Speaker 6: mile and you know, do more than is expected of you,

614
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Speaker 6: that is always to be really beneficial to your manager

615
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 6: or your employer. And I think just like dedicating yourself

616
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Speaker 6: to the role and showing up in your own authentic way,

617
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Speaker 6: and how you can add value in your own you know,

618
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Speaker 6: thinking and everything like that is so valuable. And being

619
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Speaker 6: able to think outside the box and come up with creativity,

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Speaker 6: which I think everyone does very well. Mavee a little

621
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Speaker 6: too well. We've got so many ideas flown around here.

622
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Speaker 6: But just just being able to bring your own perspective

623
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Speaker 6: to the business I think is so beneficial. And I

624
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 6: think a lot of people sometimes get stuck in wanting

625
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 6: to replicate other business the leaders in the business or

626
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 6: anything like that. But I think it's so valuable to

627
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Speaker 6: have those different perspectives and see things in different ways.

628
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Speaker 6: And of course organization, you know, I love this, Yes,

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Speaker 6: Jamie of Notion, I just if I just want to

630
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Speaker 6: be able to say to someone, can you have me

631
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Speaker 6: have this to be on this date? And it's all

632
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Speaker 6: organized and they bring it to me and you know

633
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Speaker 6: they're just fully across it. So I think just how

634
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Speaker 6: you hold yourself within the business, how you show up

635
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 6: and take your own responsibility within your role, and how

636
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 6: you know you're managing yourself is so huge because then

637
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 6: it takes that pressure off the manager to then be

638
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 6: that person for everyone, which obviously as a manager you

639
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 6: need to have some degree of doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, it's very valuable in a team member.

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Speaker 5: And how would you suggest someone show that to a

642
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Speaker 5: potential impoint because obviously that's something quite I feel it

643
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Speaker 5: comes out after you're working somewhere. But how could you

644
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Speaker 5: or how would you say you went for a job

645
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 5: show that you have that skill to someone else.

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Speaker 6: I think there's a few things with that is how

647
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Speaker 6: are you living your everyday life? Is it congruent to

648
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Speaker 6: that sort of personality, because I think when I look

649
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Speaker 6: at potential employees and things like that, looking at how

650
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Speaker 6: they show up in their everyday life says a lot

651
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 6: about how they're going to show up in your business.

652
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Speaker 6: So I think being able to demonstrate that as that

653
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 6: is just who you are as a person. It's not

654
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Speaker 6: something you have to try and do or it's not

655
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Speaker 6: something you have to like go out of the way

656
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Speaker 6: to do. It's just who you are and how you're

657
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Speaker 6: living every single day. Yeah, And I think also just

658
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Speaker 6: how you deal with a company within that hiring process

659
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Speaker 6: says a lot about how you're then going to show

660
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 6: up within the business. So being onto things, don't be

661
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Speaker 6: scared to follow up, don't be scared to send like

662
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Speaker 6: a thank you email, don't be scared to add extra

663
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Speaker 6: things into your application that are going to show them

664
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Speaker 6: how organized you are, how self led you are, like

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Speaker 6: for example, me sending that video to Georgie and answering

666
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Speaker 6: questions that she hadn't even put into the application process. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: that then shows a lot about how you're going to

668
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Speaker 6: go the extra mile and do things that haven't been

669
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Speaker 6: asked of you.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's just about.

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Speaker 6: Being congruent and integral in every single aspect of your life.

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Speaker 6: So then it's just a part of who you are.

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Speaker 5: And for someone who maybe isn't as good at that

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Speaker 5: yet and wants to develop those skills, what would maybe

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Speaker 5: be your top two or three tips for someone who

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Speaker 5: wants to become like more organized, more across everything.

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Speaker 3: I know you've Jamie, Guys, Jamie set up the best

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Speaker 3: notion for rn C.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, for us to do in our personal lives,

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Speaker 5: how would you like what are your dips?

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Speaker 6: I think just looking at your everyday life and how

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Speaker 6: you're showing up, Like, how is your morning routine looking? Like?

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Speaker 2: Are you struggling with your morning routine?

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Speaker 6: Because if that is your biggest problem in the day,

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Speaker 6: then it's going to be hard to then adopt organization

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Speaker 6: and being you know, self led in a business. So

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Speaker 6: for me, I think just nailing those small things in

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Speaker 6: your life, because the small things really add up.

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Speaker 2: To be the big things.

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Speaker 6: And if you can be across those sorts of things

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Speaker 6: and you don't even have to think about it, the rest.

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Speaker 2: Of your life is going to be so much easier.

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Speaker 5: Literally, I've experienced that transformation this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an amazing tim And now, like.

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Speaker 5: I guess you've sort of spoken as a manager as

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Speaker 5: an employee, what do you think it's most important to do?

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Speaker 2: Again?

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Speaker 6: I think your attitude and how you show up and

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Speaker 6: hold yourself at work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so important.

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Speaker 6: How are you showing up and showing your employers and

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Speaker 6: you know, the people who run the business that you

704
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Speaker 6: are so valuable and that they can't do it without you.

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Speaker 2: How are you going the extra mile?

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Speaker 6: How are you, you know, showing up within your role

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Speaker 6: even if they haven't asked things of you, doing more

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Speaker 6: than is what is expected of you. I think I've

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Speaker 6: always made sure, you know, in every role that I've had,

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Speaker 6: I've shown them that I'm willing to do you know,

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Speaker 6: the extromal. I'll always put my hand up first. I'll

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Speaker 6: always rather than coming to them with the problem, I'll

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Speaker 6: come to them with the problem and the solution. Because

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Speaker 6: as employers and business owners, you have so much going

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Speaker 6: on in your day to day life. So to be

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Speaker 6: a team member who then solves problems for them and

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Speaker 6: makes their life as easy as possible, you're going to

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Speaker 6: be such an asset to the business and you're going

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Speaker 6: to be seen as such a valuable team member. So

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Speaker 6: I think just how you show up, how you hold yourself,

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Speaker 6: how you lead yourself, is such an important part to

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Speaker 6: being a good employee.

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Speaker 5: And I guess this is a bit of track, but

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Speaker 5: I would love to know your thoughts on I know

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Speaker 5: it's not something we really experience here because we love

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Speaker 5: our jobs, But say you were working somewhere and it's

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Speaker 5: it's a bit more corporate, because I know we do

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Speaker 5: have a little bit some corporate galies that listen of

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Speaker 5: it's a big business. You're in maybe a department that

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Speaker 5: you're not quite gelling with, and you want to move

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Speaker 5: somewhere and not necessarily a job open yet, but you

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Speaker 5: don't love the role you're in. What would sort of

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Speaker 5: be your tips for someone on how they can genuinely

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Speaker 5: and authentically show up in a role that isn't quite

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Speaker 5: aligned with them just yet.

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Speaker 6: Well, I've experienced this because I have worked corporate and

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Speaker 6: it wasn't for me. But I never rely on external

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Speaker 6: factors to dictate how I'll show up internally. So if

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Speaker 6: I no matter what environment I'm in or you know,

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Speaker 6: what I'm dealing with, I'll still stay integral to who

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Speaker 6: I am, And for me, who I am is showing

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Speaker 6: up as that person, and that's what's important to me,

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Speaker 6: not the external factors. So I think, just thinking about

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Speaker 6: yourself as a human, how do you want to show up?

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Speaker 6: How is the person who is in the role that's

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Speaker 6: going to be, you know, so aligned and so in

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Speaker 6: their purpose and passion. How are they going to be

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Speaker 6: showing up? Because if you want to attract that opportunity,

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Speaker 6: you need to already be showing up as that person.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of almost playing into a little bit of

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Speaker 5: delusional energy in the best way.

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Speaker 6: Just pretend that you're like, but yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 6: just if you want the universe to be able to say,

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Speaker 6: here you go, here's your dream role, you're going to

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Speaker 6: have to show up as if you were already in

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Speaker 6: that dream role.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's just about using.

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Speaker 6: That motivation and passion to show up as if you

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Speaker 6: already have it, and don't let It's like that whole

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Speaker 6: thing of like, are you're going to get up and

761
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Speaker 6: go to the gym when it's raining, when you're tired?

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Speaker 6: Those sorts of things like how you show up when

763
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Speaker 6: things are hard says a lot about then how.

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Speaker 2: You'll show up when things are good.

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Speaker 6: So I think it's just staying integral to that and

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Speaker 6: not letting the external factors affect your internal world.

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Speaker 5: What would be your tips to standing out at work?

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Speaker 5: So you're in a workplace you really love, you're gutting

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Speaker 5: for a promotion, what would you what advice would you

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Speaker 5: give to someone to get that promotion? Yeah, or like

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Speaker 5: whatever they're after, if they're after a pay rise in

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Speaker 5: their current role. If they're after a promotion but there

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Speaker 5: isn't one yet to apply for, how would you recommend

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Speaker 5: they start showing up to attract that?

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Speaker 3: I guess opportunity.

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Speaker 6: Well, you need to be able to show your employer

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Speaker 6: why you're more valuable now than when you first started,

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Speaker 6: and how you have excelled within your own role. So

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Speaker 6: things like how are you making the business maybe more money,

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Speaker 6: how are you doing more things than when you first started,

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Speaker 6: how are you going the extra mile in work? I

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Speaker 6: would be showing the company every single day why you're

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Speaker 6: an asset and why you're worth the extra investment or

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Speaker 6: the promotion or that extra responsibility, whatever it may be.

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Speaker 6: So if I was then how to tackle that like conversation,

786
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Speaker 6: to have the to ask for that whatever you are

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Speaker 6: asking for.

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Speaker 2: Is because also you've got to have the conversation. You

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Speaker 2: can't just be kind.

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Speaker 3: Of doing it and then be like bring it to me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I think it's so important, and I think

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Speaker 6: so many people wait to be approached for a pay

793
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Speaker 6: rise or wait to be approached for a promotion, but

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Speaker 6: are you actually having the right conversations with the right

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Speaker 6: people in the business. So I would be going to

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Speaker 6: them with either a spreadsheet or a document on what

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Speaker 6: you were doing when you first started, what skills you

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Speaker 6: had when you first started, how much money the business

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Speaker 6: was making maybe when you first started, and then how

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Speaker 6: that is different now because you were hired for a

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Speaker 6: certain role, and you were hired as a certain person

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Speaker 6: with a certain skill level, with certain responsibilities, and if

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Speaker 6: you want to go to the next level, how are

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Speaker 6: you actually worth that level?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: And I think, yeah, I think a lot of people,

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Speaker 6: you know, wait till it's like six months, or wait

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Speaker 6: till it's a certain anniversary or whatever. But how are

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Speaker 6: you actually more valuable within the business to be worth

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Speaker 6: that extra responsibility, investment, whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter how much time it's been, No.

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Speaker 6: I think it matters how you've held yourself in that

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Speaker 6: business and how you've excelled and become a more valuable

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Speaker 6: team member.

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Speaker 5: I love that, And I guess bit of a heavy

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Speaker 5: question to end on, but can you feel completely fulfilled

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Speaker 5: working for someone else? Because I do think a lot

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Speaker 5: of people go to starting their own business and working

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Speaker 5: for themselves because they aren't feeling fulfilled in working for

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Speaker 5: someone else. They feel like they don't have freedom or

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Speaker 5: all of those sorts of things. Knowing your journey now

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Speaker 5: as someone who who did work in a company that

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Speaker 5: was corporate that didn't really align with who you were,

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Speaker 5: and then started your own business and now work at

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Speaker 5: R and Z completely and your business is on hiatus,

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Speaker 5: what would you say?

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Speaker 6: One hundred percent? I think there is such a stigma

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Speaker 6: around the only way to feel fulfilled or purposeful or

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Speaker 6: whatever it is is to have your own thing. And

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Speaker 6: for me, I tried both and I actually feel more

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Speaker 6: in my purpose and more fulfilled working at Rise and

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Speaker 6: Conquer than I did within my business. And I think

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Speaker 6: if you have this constant pressure on yourself that the

834
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Speaker 6: only way you're going to feel fulfilled is working for yourself,

835
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Speaker 6: then you're you're probably gonna block yourself from actually finding

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Speaker 6: that true fulfillment because you will feel fulfilled doing whatever

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Speaker 6: is best for you. And I think it's just letting

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Speaker 6: go of that feeling that you need to be doing

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Speaker 6: your own thing to feel fulfilled, because I certainly feel

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Speaker 6: more in my purpose and more aligned than ever before

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Speaker 6: within this business. So I think also just with the

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Speaker 6: amount of people with businesses now, it can feel like

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Speaker 6: such a pressure and people can feel like in their

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Speaker 6: career they're you know, they're just working for someone else

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Speaker 6: or working for the man or whatever, you know, those

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Speaker 6: different things that people say, and I just don't don't

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Speaker 6: believe in that, Like, you can feel fulfilled doing whatever

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Speaker 6: you want. And yeah, I think it's just so important

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Speaker 6: that we let go of that stigma to only feel

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Speaker 6: fulfilled doing some crazy business or sorry like that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for sharing, and thank you for

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Speaker 3: your time today.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome.

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Speaker 5: We've loved having you on and we'll see everyone in

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Speaker 5: the next episode with you where we answer some of

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Speaker 5: their questions.

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Speaker 3: Can't wait.

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