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Speaker 2: It is going to.

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Speaker 1: Mean that police have got greater powers. And joining me

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Speaker 1: in the studio is Nathan Finn, the president of the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Association.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to your Finny.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katy, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Now talk me through.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we spoke last week about these changes, but

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police to use. Finny, what's been the reaction

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Speaker 1: from members in relation to these legislative changes, Katie.

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Speaker 4: I can confirm that our members are very positive about

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Speaker 4: actually listening to them to make these as possible. The

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Speaker 4: they are supported. They're getting on with what they need

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Speaker 4: You'll see a lot more police out and about on

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Speaker 4: and that's something they want to reiterate to the government.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for listening, Thank you for listening to our

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Speaker 1: So how exactly do the changes roll out, because the

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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, definitely CAATIE. So there's a number of number

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Speaker 4: of factors that take into play. The legislation gets drafted,

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Speaker 2: Finni, do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: We are going to see a lot more people really

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Speaker 4: We're hoping we see some people that deserve to be there,

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Speaker 3: Day in court.

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Speaker 4: Now, whether the court has capacity for that, that's something

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Speaker 3: To alleviate that pressure.

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Speaker 1: We'd actually caught up with the Criminal Lawyers Association's Beth

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Speaker 4: We need to make sure it works for everything everyone involved,

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Speaker 1: Finny, one of the things that really struck me last

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Speaker 4: If we're dealing with the same offenders that are currently

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was something I was keen to get to

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Speaker 3: No, definitely, not where busy enough, Katie to it.

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Speaker 4: Instead of recording every conversation we have out in the street,

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Speaker 1: Do you know how many assaults against police there were last.

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Speaker 4: We just need stronger powers to make sure we can

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Speaker 1: Like, I know, our police are trained to deal with

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Speaker 4: When projectiles are being thrown out of a vehicle that's

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Speaker 3: It's not funny for them.

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Speaker 2: And is there anything you guys a bit.

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Speaker 2: How quickly do you reckon?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the fact is, Caddie, it's been neglected for a

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Speaker 3: We are being heard.

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Speaker 4: These things take some time and with a change of

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Speaker 1: For any quick question from one of our listeners, I

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Speaker 1: it says, good morning Katie and Crystal. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: Do we not like? I mean, it's a tough one, right.

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Speaker 4: It's a definite tough one and we see this time

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Speaker 3: Our members as well. Katie.

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Speaker 4: We've seen the roundabout of youth crime and dropping off

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Speaker 4: to responsible adults and who is responsible? That is a

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Speaker 4: number one question, Katie, and now my number one question.

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Speaker 4: If the person was responsible to start with their kids,

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Speaker 1: And then on the flip side, like I've had a

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Speaker 1: we are screaming out for some help. I've got a

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Speaker 4: And the bureaucracy is very frustrating. And we find that

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Speaker 4: should be instant. There shouldn't be months and years later.

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Speaker 4: They need they're at crisis point now and they're asking

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Speaker 2: Point one hundred percent correct.

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Speaker 4: And we need to make sure that these people are

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Speaker 2: Absolutely luck And I think to me, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Starting to hear a little bit more of over the

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Speaker 4: We need to work together to make sure that we've

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Speaker 4: Because time and time again we've seen in the past

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Speaker 4: and they simply give up, They simply find it too

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Speaker 4: hard and say I can't deal with this. We need

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Nathan Finn, President of the Northern Territory Police Association, always

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Kaddie, and good morning to your listeners. And

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Speaker 4: thank you to the men and women out there that

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Speaker 4: continue to put their lives on the line to make

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff. Good on you, Finny, Thank you