WEBVTT - An attempted assassination: What we know

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>now it makes sense. Good morning, and welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>Daily OS. It is Monday, the fifteenth of July. I'm Billy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Sam. Yesterday there was an assassination attempt on the

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<v Speaker 1>former US President Donald Trump. It was the first time

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<v Speaker 1>a current or former US president has been wounded from

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<v Speaker 1>an assassination attempt in more than forty years. There has

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot of commentary about this attempt and what

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<v Speaker 1>it means for the future of Trump's campaign and the

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<v Speaker 1>state of US politics more broadly. But one thing has

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<v Speaker 1>been clear, and that's that all official authorities and the

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<v Speaker 1>political community have condemned this act of political violence. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you exactly what you need to know in today's podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>But first, Sam, what is making headlines today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Billy, I know that we're gonna some time talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but it's impossible to start their headlines without

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<v Speaker 2>talking about yesterday's assassination attempt on former US President Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>After the events of yesterday, Trump's campaign released a joint

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<v Speaker 2>statement with the Republican National Convention Body to say that

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<v Speaker 2>he will still appear at the convention in Milwaukee this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Where he will formally accept the nomination as the Republican

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<v Speaker 2>presidential nominee. Trump is also expected to announce his pick

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<v Speaker 2>for vice president at that event. There's expected to be

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<v Speaker 2>heightened security at the four day convention, as well as

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<v Speaker 2>increased security at the White House and any public appearances

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<v Speaker 2>by Trump's likely opponent, President Joe Biden. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>break all of that down in just a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales Premier Chris Mins has announced its long

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<v Speaker 1>awaited drug Summit will begin this October. Leaders are expected

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss prevention and harm minimization strategies over two days

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<v Speaker 1>of talks in regional New South Wales. The summit will

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<v Speaker 1>continue in December, where a two day fourum will be

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<v Speaker 1>hosted in Sydney. It comes weeks after Victoria announced plans

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<v Speaker 1>for its first pill testing trial this summer. Queensland and

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<v Speaker 1>the Act are the two other jurisdictions where the practice

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<v Speaker 1>is allowed.

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<v Speaker 2>At least ninety people have been killed in air strikes

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<v Speaker 2>that targeted a Hamask commander in Gaza. The IDF strikes

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<v Speaker 2>on al Mawassi, a designated safe zone in the Strip,

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<v Speaker 2>injured at least three hundred others. Hamask commander Muhammad Daif

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<v Speaker 2>has been described as the mastermind behind the October seven

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<v Speaker 2>attacks that killed twelve hundred people. It has not been

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed if he was killed in this strike.

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<v Speaker 1>And today's good news, Scientists have used a fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand year old specimen to create a full three D

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<v Speaker 1>model of a wooly mammoth. The well preserved mammoth was

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<v Speaker 1>discovered in Russia's Siberian region in what's known as a

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<v Speaker 1>quote freeze dried state. This allowed researchers to use some

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<v Speaker 1>of the wooly mammoths chromosomes to figure out its genetic structure.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the first time scientists have been able to

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<v Speaker 1>create such a full picture about the makeup of the

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<v Speaker 1>animal which went extra two thousands or years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Billy, It was a massive day of news yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>one of those days that I think we'll all remember

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<v Speaker 2>as people who read the news all day every day,

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<v Speaker 2>and here in Australia, we woke up on Sunday morning

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<v Speaker 2>to this remarkable event that kind of was spilling out

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<v Speaker 2>on social media almost before traditional media, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>an assassination attempt on the former US President Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>who was running again in the upcoming presidential election in

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<v Speaker 2>the US. I want to start this by coming in

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<v Speaker 2>clean to this conversation. What exactly do we know happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and talk me through the timeline of all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, an absolutely historic day in US politics. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>said in the intro, it is the first time a

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<v Speaker 1>US president has actually been wounded by an assassination attempt

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<v Speaker 1>in more than forty years. So I'll go through the timeline.

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<v Speaker 1>On Saturday, Trump was holding a campaign rally in Butler

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<v Speaker 1>in the US state of Pennsylvania in the lead up

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<v Speaker 1>to the Republican National Convention, which he talked about in

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<v Speaker 1>the story Sam. So, just minutes into this rally, he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of started at six oh five, and at about

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<v Speaker 1>six fifteen pm local time, several gunshots were heard, and

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<v Speaker 1>the footage, which I'm sure many of us have seen

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<v Speaker 1>by now, shows that Trump kind of immediately grabs his ear.

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<v Speaker 1>We can see blood coming out, he realizes what is happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he immediately ducks to below the microphone and.

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<v Speaker 2>The stand take a look at what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>The Secret Service then pretty quickly moved to protect him,

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<v Speaker 1>and they kind of form this human barrier around him

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<v Speaker 1>before moving him to get him off stage, and you

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<v Speaker 1>could see in the footage that there was all of

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<v Speaker 1>this blood around his ear as he was being rushed.

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<v Speaker 2>Off and so the Secret Service members come from everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>There's immediately armed offices all over the stage, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>where this really iconic now moment happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Right yeah, just before he was rushed off stage, there

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<v Speaker 1>was this five to ten second moment that I think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not only become one of the defining images

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<v Speaker 1>of this presidential election, but likely become one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most iconic images in US political history. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>of Trump popping his head up above the scrum of

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Service offices around him, and you know, putting his

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<v Speaker 1>fist in the air in this defying gesture as he

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<v Speaker 1>assures the crowd that he was okay, and he seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to mouth we couldn't hear the audio, but he seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to mouth fight, fight, fight. And right after that is

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<v Speaker 1>when he gets rushed off stage and bundled into a car.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you can also hear in the audio the

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<v Speaker 1>crowd starting to chant. I think there was this moment

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<v Speaker 1>of complete shock where everyone kind of goes silent. You

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<v Speaker 1>can hear screams. But then as soon as Trump put

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<v Speaker 1>his fist in the air, you could then hear them

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<v Speaker 1>starting to chant.

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<v Speaker 2>Usa, Usa is the chant. Yeah, it was a really

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<v Speaker 2>remarkable spectrum of emotion, like so quickly it went from

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<v Speaker 2>ten and screaming to defiance, defiance, and yes, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're right. This is one of those snapshots that you'll

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<v Speaker 2>just see in textbooks for the rest of the next

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<v Speaker 2>couple of hundred years. Maybe there was also another time

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<v Speaker 2>he did that, just before he was almost pushed into

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<v Speaker 2>the car by the Secret Service. Remarkable from somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>had just survived an assassination attempt. In that footage that

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about, The thing that struck me was just

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<v Speaker 2>how much security there is around the president at all times,

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<v Speaker 2>both former and sitting. How could this actually have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this has been a big conversation in the aftermath.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll go through what we know about what the

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Service has said. So they said that the shooter

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<v Speaker 1>fired shots, quote from an elevated position outside of the

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<v Speaker 1>rally venue. So we know that the shooter was not

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<v Speaker 1>inside the rally, so he didn't have to go through

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<v Speaker 1>all of the security checks that everyone going into that

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<v Speaker 1>rally has to do. But he was on a rooftop outside,

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<v Speaker 1>and that has been a big question about how this

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<v Speaker 1>could have happened, because it's a job of the Secret

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<v Speaker 1>Service to prevent attempts exactly like this. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>their entire job is. This is exactly what they do

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<v Speaker 1>all of their training, for sure, and they execute extensive

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<v Speaker 1>security checks on every venue that Trump goes into. And

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<v Speaker 1>so for a person to be on top of a

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<v Speaker 1>rooftop in the direct line of side of Trump with

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<v Speaker 1>a gun, I think that fact has donne so many

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<v Speaker 1>people who know just how extensive security checks are on

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<v Speaker 1>presidents and presidential candidates and the venues that they all

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<v Speaker 1>go into.

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<v Speaker 2>I even read something that said that normally the Secret

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<v Speaker 2>Service should have somebody on every rooftop around a venue.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's why people are stunned about how this happened.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also an interview that an eyewitness did with

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<v Speaker 1>BBC where he explained that he was trying to warn

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<v Speaker 1>police that there was a gunman about to shoot right

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<v Speaker 1>before it actually happened. Here's some of that interview.

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<v Speaker 3>We're like, hey man, there's guy on the roof for

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<v Speaker 3>the rifle, and the police are like, huh, what you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like they didn't know what was going on. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>We're like, okay, right here on the roof, we can

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<v Speaker 3>see him from right here, we see him, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he's crowing. And next thing, you know, I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>thinking to myself, I'm like, why is Trump still speaking?

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<v Speaker 3>Why have they not pulled him off the stage. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>standing there pointing at him for you know, two three minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>Secret Services looking at us from the top of the barn.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pointing at that roof, just standing it like this,

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<v Speaker 3>and next thing, you know, five shouts ring out.

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<v Speaker 1>So there will of course be an extensive investigation into

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what happened here. And just quickly to mention, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation, we're not trying to undermine the importance of

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<v Speaker 1>what the Secret Service did and the fact that they

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<v Speaker 1>did run towards where a bullet had hit Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just a big part of the conversation

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<v Speaker 1>about how could something like this be prevented in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Is needing to understand how this happened in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, definitely, And I think especially when we're in a

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<v Speaker 2>cycle for the next five months at least of daily rallies,

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<v Speaker 2>this almost has a sense of urgency about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but there has been a lot of appreciation for

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<v Speaker 1>what the Secret Servers did and how quickly they did respond.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and officials are now really focused on who this

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<v Speaker 2>shooter is and this is obviously now the number one

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<v Speaker 2>priority for law enforcement in the US. This is happening

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<v Speaker 2>very quickly, this investigation. As we're recording this billy, what

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<v Speaker 2>do we know about the shooter?

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<v Speaker 1>So the first thing we know is that he is

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<v Speaker 1>now dead. Secret Service said that they quote neutralize the

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<v Speaker 1>shooter before he did then die. So at the time

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<v Speaker 1>of recording, the FBI is saying that they do know

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<v Speaker 1>the identity of the shooter, and it's understood he is

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<v Speaker 1>a young man who is twenty years old, so really

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<v Speaker 1>quite young. We know that he lives in Pennsylvania in

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<v Speaker 1>a local town there, and they are just in the

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<v Speaker 1>process right now of confirming more information about what exactly

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<v Speaker 1>his motive was. At the time of recording, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what that motive.

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<v Speaker 2>Was, and I'm sure stuff like his social media profiles

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<v Speaker 2>and whether he talked publicly online about politics before will

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<v Speaker 2>form a key part of all of that. But the

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<v Speaker 2>shooter wasn't the only who died.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, No, so we also know that one spectator was

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<v Speaker 1>killed and that two other spectators have been critically injured.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not too much else we know at this stage

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<v Speaker 1>about the person who died or the identity of those

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<v Speaker 1>who were injured.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Trump gets transported immediately to a hospital in

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<v Speaker 2>the area. You know, with the motorcade, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>big line of cars streaming towards there. He gets into

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital and pretty soon after he actually releases a statement.

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<v Speaker 2>What did that say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he released a statement in just a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>hours after it all happened. In that statement, he thanked

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<v Speaker 1>the Secret Service, and he sent his condolences to the

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<v Speaker 1>family of the spectator who was killed and to those

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<v Speaker 1>who were injured. But he also detailed exactly what happened

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<v Speaker 1>in that moment from his perspective. So I'll read out

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of what he said. He said quote, I

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<v Speaker 1>was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part

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<v Speaker 1>of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was

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<v Speaker 1>wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound shots and

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<v Speaker 1>immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding

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<v Speaker 1>took place. So I realized then what was happening, and

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<v Speaker 1>he ended that statement with God bless America.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is how he ends most of his statements. So

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<v Speaker 2>that statement came out and we immediately kind of understood

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<v Speaker 2>that this was not a life threatening injury to the

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<v Speaker 2>former president. And from that point we started to hear

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<v Speaker 2>from other really senior political leaders in the US, including

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<v Speaker 2>the president. What was the response in a few hours

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<v Speaker 2>after this assassination attempt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the current US President, Joe Biden, he held a

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<v Speaker 1>press conference shortly after the incident, and he was very

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<v Speaker 1>clear in condemning violence and saying this never should have happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, there's no place in America for this kind of violence.

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<v Speaker 4>It's sick. It's sick. It's one of the reason where

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<v Speaker 4>we have to unite this country. We cannot allow for

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<v Speaker 4>this to be happening. We cannot be like this. We

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<v Speaker 4>cannot condone this.

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<v Speaker 1>And all previous US presidents who are still alive have

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<v Speaker 1>also put out a statement, and they were all pretty

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<v Speaker 1>similar in their sentiment. They all said that they are

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<v Speaker 1>glad that Trump is safe and that he is alive,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of their statements also condemned violence in politics.

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<v Speaker 1>And Vice President Kamala Harris put out a similar statement

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<v Speaker 1>and called it quote a senseless shooting. We also heard

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday from Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi, who showed similar

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<v Speaker 1>concern for the former president, and notably he used the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to continue his calls for a general lowering of

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<v Speaker 1>the temperature in politics, and he actually said that we

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<v Speaker 1>should be expecting a global increase of election related violence

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<v Speaker 1>in the coming months and years, including he said possibly

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<v Speaker 1>here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was quite interesting his comments yesterday. He coupled

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<v Speaker 2>that with an appreciation for the fact that he can

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<v Speaker 2>go to the supermarket and still buy dog food. That

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<v Speaker 2>was the example he used, and that the US president

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<v Speaker 2>can't do that, and he was using that to highlight

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<v Speaker 2>the difference in safety in Australia versus the US. But

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<v Speaker 2>if we zoom out of all of this, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you think yesterday's events will actually change the campaign?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the key question because there has been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of rhetoric about if this will soften the heat,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know the extreme anger that is so present

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<v Speaker 1>in the attacks between Biden and Trump, but also between

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats and Republicans more broadly, and the question is will

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<v Speaker 1>this be a watershed moment to dial down just how

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<v Speaker 1>he did this lead up to the election in the US?

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<v Speaker 1>Is we know that in the immediate aftermath, Biden's campaign

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<v Speaker 1>is pulling down its television ads temporarily and suspending any

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<v Speaker 1>campaign events. And the thinking there is that these moments

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<v Speaker 1>in politics is, you know, not the time for usual

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<v Speaker 1>political point scoring. So any ad criticizing Trump's presidential campaign

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<v Speaker 1>is they think inappropriate at the moment. And there are

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<v Speaker 1>definitely a lot of Republicans as well who are calling

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<v Speaker 1>for calm right now. For example, Senior Republican Mitch McConnell

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's worth noting that there are some Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>who have used it to continue attacks on Biden. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>one Republican congressman said Biden was actually responsible for quote

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<v Speaker 1>inciting an assassination. Some very strong language there, but mostly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the rhetoric is definitely wanting to dial down

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<v Speaker 1>the heat of politics in the US at the moment

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<v Speaker 1>and wanting to prevent any further attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>And Bill you mentioned at the start of this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the first time in forty years that a

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<v Speaker 2>president of the United States has been injured by an

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<v Speaker 2>assassination attempt. There surely haven't been that many presidents who

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<v Speaker 2>have been killed in an assassination. I know we probably

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<v Speaker 2>all know jfk in the sixties, but what's the history

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<v Speaker 2>of assassinations and assassination attempts in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think this is interesting because in the US

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<v Speaker 1>there are shootings all the time in public, but even

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<v Speaker 1>those shootings are relatively common. That doesn't take away from

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<v Speaker 1>just how historic this is for presidents and presidential nominees, who,

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<v Speaker 1>like we have said, are surrounded by extreme security twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four seven. So the last president injured from an assassination

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<v Speaker 1>attempt was Ronald Reagan in nineteen eighty one. He survived

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<v Speaker 1>that attack. But there have been four US presidents who

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<v Speaker 1>have been assassinated. So they are Abraham Lincoln in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five, James Garfield in eighteen eighty one, William McKinley

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen oh one, and also John F. Kennedy, who

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we've all seen the footage of that in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty three. And then as well as Reagan, there

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<v Speaker 1>was Theodore Roosevelt who was injured from an assassination attempt

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twelve, and as well, on top of all

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<v Speaker 1>of that, there have also been several other plots that

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<v Speaker 1>have been foiled.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost one for every president, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I think what is historic about this is

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<v Speaker 1>that it's one of the few times that the bullet

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<v Speaker 1>has actually hit the president of presidential nominee.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, most of these plans get foiled at kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the planning stage, so they'll discover documents on someone's computer

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and knowing that these kind of things can happen,

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<v Speaker 1>the US law does actually mandate that all former presidents

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<v Speaker 1>receive Secret Service protection for the rest of their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when you see even you know, former US

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<v Speaker 2>President Barack Obama coming to Australia last year surrounded by

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<v Speaker 2>as much security as if he was the president. Because

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<v Speaker 2>this is such a historic trend, Billy, before we go,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go back to the commentary around that photo.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a photo that you can see on our Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>You probably have seen it everywhere by now. Trump's fist

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<v Speaker 2>in the air just after an assassination attempt, and if

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<v Speaker 2>you listen carefully to the audio, you can hear him

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<v Speaker 2>say wait and take that as a moment. Tell me

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<v Speaker 2>about your observations of what that moment will mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the commentary around this has been extremely interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>it's the fact that even in an assassination attempt, Trump

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<v Speaker 1>had that state of mind to not want the photos

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<v Speaker 1>of him holding his ear and being hurried off. But

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<v Speaker 1>he won to that image, like we talked about earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>to be one of defiance, and he wanted to show

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<v Speaker 1>strength in this moment where he had just been shot.

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<v Speaker 1>And that image of him pumping the air is being

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<v Speaker 1>used by his supporters to show just how what they're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>how strong he is. For example, his son posted the

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<v Speaker 1>photo with the caption quote, this is the fighter America needs.

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times also commented about this in an

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<v Speaker 1>op ed. They said, quote the moment epitomized his visceral

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<v Speaker 1>connection with his supporters and his mastery of the modern

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<v Speaker 1>media age. And I think it was interesting that in

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<v Speaker 1>our comments on the Daily Ohs, like you said, we

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<v Speaker 1>posted the photo Sam, and there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>comments about which photos they thought that we should use,

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<v Speaker 1>and whether we should have showed that one of defiant strength,

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<v Speaker 1>or whether we should have just showed the one of

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<v Speaker 1>him being hurried off. And it just speaks to how

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<v Speaker 1>political every single decision is, not only that Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>Biden do, but also as a media company, which photo

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<v Speaker 1>do you choose to show your audience really interesting? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure I know what the right answer to

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<v Speaker 1>that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's really symbolic of where we're at

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<v Speaker 2>with politics that the structure of a photo that's used

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<v Speaker 2>can hold so much meaning so quickly after an event happens.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost unprecedented.

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<v Speaker 1>Sam, I know you also are absolutely obsessed with US politics.

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<v Speaker 1>What are your observations about this moment?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when something like this happens and I hear the

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<v Speaker 2>words unprecedented and historic and unforgettable moment being thrown around,

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<v Speaker 2>my first gut instinct is always to try and find

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<v Speaker 2>historical parallels. So when as something like this happened, and

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<v Speaker 2>you took us through other times where US presidents have

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<v Speaker 2>had assassination attempts, either successful or unsuccessful, and I went

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<v Speaker 2>back and had a look at what happened after the

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald Reagan assassination attempt in nineteen eighty one, and the

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<v Speaker 2>big lesson that historians have taken from that is just

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<v Speaker 2>how popular he was after that attempt. He had almost

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty two percent jump in approval polls when he

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<v Speaker 2>had gone through an assassination attempts. Come out the other

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<v Speaker 2>side and that message of defiant and you know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>bringing back strong rule to America. It really resonated with Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, there's some Democrats who voted against Reagan who

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<v Speaker 2>then expressed their support for him after that assassination attempt.

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<v Speaker 2>So it does funny things to the political cycle. There

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<v Speaker 2>was also this year in nineteen sixty eight where both

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<v Speaker 2>Martin Luther King Junior and Robert F. Kennedy, So John F.

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<v Speaker 2>Kennedy's brother, we're both assassinated. They were both killed, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was seen to really give birth to the platform

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<v Speaker 2>that Nixon used to win the presidency and his message

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<v Speaker 2>there was we need to bring law and order back

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<v Speaker 2>to America. And I think what you'll see in the

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<v Speaker 2>coming months is Trump used this event as a way

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<v Speaker 2>to frame the lawlessness of America and the need for

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<v Speaker 2>a strong leader to be in the White House. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure how Biden is going to use this, probably

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<v Speaker 2>to call for carm as we've heard from the statements

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<v Speaker 2>from Democrats today, It's going to be really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting though saying that Trump will use this as

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<v Speaker 1>a mobile meant to stop lawlessness in the country when

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is more pro guns than Biden is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that's a really interesting point. But the

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<v Speaker 2>key argument that Republicans will use now is that the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that protected their presidential nominee was another person with

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<v Speaker 2>a gun, and that's a typical line used by gun

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<v Speaker 2>lobby in the US. I mean, this just keeps getting

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<v Speaker 2>more dramatic and almost more American by the week.

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<v Speaker 1>A historic moment for US politics. There is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to digest there. As we have mentioned, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>Republican convention coming up this week, so we are expecting

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<v Speaker 1>for Trump to announce who his vice presidential pick will be.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot to keep our eyes on. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for listening to this episode of The Daily os.

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