1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: But in some good news. Home prices have hit a 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: record high in March. That's according to the latest home 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: price index data by prop Track and Aria Group. Nationally, 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: home prices rose zero point two seven percent, putting them 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: three point nine one percent higher than a year ago. 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: Darwin saw monthly growth of zero point three four percent, 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: with annual growth sitting around three point seven eight percent. 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Joining us on the line to break it down further 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: is Aria Group senior economist and Flattery. Good morning to. 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: You, Anne, good morning, lovely. 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: To have you on the show now, and tell us 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more about this data. What do the 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: latest home value figures mean for Darwin. 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: Well, it's good news for people who own a home 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: in Darwin. We did see those home values hit a 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 2: new record high this month. We've seen really quite strong 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: growth over the months. Darwin's actually been one of the 18 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: best performing capital cities right. 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: So talk us through some of those numbers and what 20 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: areas have done a little bit better. 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: So the areas that have done the best tend to 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: be those slightly more affordable suburbs, areas that are sort 23 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: of further away from the inner city Darwin area. So, 24 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: for example, suburbs like Mulden and Gray and Woodrock have 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: seen double digit growth. Mulden's actually been the best performing 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: suburb over the year. We've seen prices there rise by 27 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: a staggering twenty percent year on year. 28 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, And then I suppose those those Palmerston areas 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: look ause they've gone up quite a bit. Then you 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: go into the single figures as you as you head 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: a little closer to town, Stuart Park for example, up 32 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: eight point three percent. 33 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So we've seen really very strong growth 34 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: across the board. I think one of the reasons why 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: we're seeing some of those more affordable areas record even 36 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: stronger price growth is to do with affordability. Of course, 37 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: even though Darwin's relatively affordable compared to a lot of 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: other capitals, we are seeing increasing number of home buyers, 39 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: particularly first home buyers, who are being priced out of 40 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: a greater range of suburbs. And what that means is 41 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: we're seeing a greater percentage of the total bier pool 42 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: actually competing for homes in suburbs that are still a 43 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: bit more affordable. And then of course that increases demand, 44 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: which pushes the price growth up higher in those areas. 45 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: So an tell us a little bit more about what 46 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: these latest home value figures mean, you know, for Darwin 47 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: and the Greater Darwin area. 48 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 2: Well, I think what it's showing is that with prices 49 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: hitting a new record high, you know, one of the 50 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: reasons we're seeing this is that the population growth we've 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 2: seen in Darwin has actually exceeded the speed at which 52 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 2: we're building new homes. If we look at the last 53 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: two years alone, across the Northern Territory as a whole, 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: we built less than half the homes that we needed 55 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: over a two year period. So what that means is 56 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: that we're seeing relatively more competition for those homes that 57 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: are coming up for sale or are being developed, and 58 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: of course that's what's really pushing those prices to rise 59 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: so quickly. 60 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, because it doesn't feel for us here in 61 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: Darwin like there's been a massive population growth, you know, 62 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: And I think that point that you're making about there 63 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: not being a huge amount of stock on the market 64 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: or homes not being built at the level that they 65 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: might be required, that's like, that is a really interesting 66 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: thing to take into account. 67 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and just spot on the population growth in Darwin 68 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: hasn't been anywhere close to what we've seen in a 69 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 2: few of our other capital cities, particularly Perth and Melbourne. 70 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: But even when you see a little bit of population growth, 71 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: you do need that housing supply to pick up in 72 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: line with that. And even with the level of growth 73 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: we've seen in Darwin's population, as I said, less than 74 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: half the homes that we need have been built over 75 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: the past two years. So in a market that's relatively 76 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: smaller like Darwin, that can have a massive impact. 77 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now in terms of the unit market, how are 78 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: things going in that space? 79 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: Look, units have underperformed houses over the past twelve months. Predominantly, 80 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: we do see the vast bulk of demand for houses 81 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: across Darwin. Having said that, we're really starting to see 82 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: unit price growth pickup, and I think one of the 83 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: reasons for that is that at the moment, it's very 84 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: expensive to develop new housing. It tends to be more 85 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: feasible for developers to build houses in the current market, 86 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: so we're not really seeing the same supply of new 87 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: unit being built, especially those units that are priced at 88 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: the affordable end. So a lot of those unit projects 89 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: aren't sustainable and that means that for those buyers who 90 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: have been priced out of purchasing a house. The supply 91 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: of affordable units is actually quite minimal compared to the 92 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: demand that's out there, and I think that could drive 93 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: a bit of a stronger performance in the unit market 94 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: over the coming year. 95 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: So when it comes to some of the challenges that 96 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: are impacting the market in Darwin at the moment, what 97 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: are they look. 98 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: I think it's just building enough new homes to meet 99 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: population growth. It really comes down to that, and I 100 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: think that there's a few issues there. First of all, 101 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: building costs still extremely high. We have a labor shortage, 102 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: and the result of that is that because of where 103 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: prices are sitting in due and often for developers, a 104 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: project might not be feasible to build with building costs 105 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: currently where they are. So the under supply that we've 106 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 2: seen in new development activity, I think it's going to worsen, 107 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: and I think that that points that even higher property 108 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: prices throughout the remainder of this year. 109 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So I guess if you're a seller, that's 110 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: good news, But if you're looking to purchase a home, 111 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: it's going to make it much more difficult. 112 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: Well, that's right, And you know, often when people are selling, 113 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: they're buying in the same market, so we tend to 114 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: see that. You know, unless you're someone who's looking to downsize, 115 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily make too much of a difference. I think, 116 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: you know, there's certainly a strong level of demand out there, 117 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: so for someone who is looking to sell, you know, 118 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: it's not a bad time at all. But then, of 119 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: course if prices go even higher, you know, for some 120 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: people they might think it might be worth waiting a 121 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 2: little longer. But of course, as I said, it's really 122 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 2: difficult to time in the market, and in a sense 123 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: it's not really worth it if you're someone who's looking 124 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: to sell and then buy something else, because of course 125 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: you're competing in the same market conditions. 126 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: And I know you've sort of touched on some of 127 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: the other locations around Australia, but how are we really 128 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: comparing when you look at those house prices to other 129 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: parts of Australia, particularly some of those capital cities. But 130 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: then I suppose some of those locations it might be 131 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more regional that are around our population size. 132 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: That's right. Look, as far as capital cities go, Darwin 133 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: is the most affordable city in Australia. So the median 134 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: home price across Greater Darwin is five hundred and twenty thousand. 135 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: That's for houses and units combined. The next most affordable 136 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: city is Hobart, where prices are sitting at about six 137 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: hundred and set, so a much higher level compared to Darwin. 138 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: If we compare Darwin to say some of the bigger 139 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: regional centers around the country, that's more where you're seeing 140 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: pretty similar figures. But even then, I think that a 141 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: lot of those regional centers, particularly in places like New 142 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: South Wales and Queensland and Victoria, the medians are still 143 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: sitting higher there than Darwin. So from a buyer's perspective, 144 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: there is a lot of value in the Darwin market. 145 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: And from an investors perspective as well, the rents that 146 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: you get in Darwin are actually very high relative to 147 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: the cost of buying, so there's a lot of opportunity 148 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: in the Darwin market. 149 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: Well, Aria Group, senior economists and Flattery, it's lovely to 150 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: speak to you this morning. I really appreciate your time 151 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: and your insight. 152 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. 153 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: Thank you