WEBVTT - Ignorance Is Bliss 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.080 Unapologetically Black would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.600 the lands where this podcast is being hurt or watched 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.280 across this great island continent now known as Australia and 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:13.520 across the world. We would also like to pay our 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.360 respects to elders past and present and acknowledge that this 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.079 always was and always will be Aboriginal lands. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.200 Welcome to Unapologetically Black with Ginny, Mara and Will. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:31.440 Hello, everyone, Welcome to episode one of Unapologetically Black. I'm 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.000 so excited to be here with my co hosts Mara 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:34.840 and Will. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:37.440 How are you, guys? How was your weekend? 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.360 Yeah? Good, amazing, Well, not amazing, I'm lying it was 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.519 amazing amazing. For you know, when someone says how are 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.480 I'm good, thank you, and you really are. I don't 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.640 have time to tell you how I really am. So 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:51.720 we do have a little bit of time, but I'm 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:56.080 mindful of time as well. I hosted a birthday party 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.320 for Tiger Lily and I had ten seven year olds 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:03.200 for twenty four hours and my titter girl, Elizabeth Walker, 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:07.119 big shout out to you, helped me. And I'm talking 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:12.080 about slumber party, sleepover, disco, high tea, the lot tea. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.880 It was it was high tea, but she just wanted sushi, 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.520 just sushi for high tea, seven year old sushi, hi 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.320 te So we did that and we went all out. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.680 So I bought a new house, some beautiful Sunshine Cours. 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.360 It's on a big block, nearly two acres and it's 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:32.399 got everything from a tennis court and I mean champion 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:41.240 sized tennis court. Yeah, we roll basketball swimming pool at Chacuzzie. Okay, 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:46.560 imagine being a seven year oldist basketballs. It was like, 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:48.840 oh and then she's got the you know, her present 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.400 was like a trampoline and a swing set because she 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.520 just didn't have enough. Oh when the people came and 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:57.560 set up the tepees like proper slumber party. But I 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.560 did havelottresses for the kids until one it to me 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.920 my hair dress I said, what do you mean you 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.280 don't have anything organized on a Thursday morning getting my 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.280 head done, I'm like no, It's like, so where are 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.320 they sleeping? I know, some mattresses on the floor. That's 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.240 how black fellows do things. Yeah, she goes get on 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:17.600 Facebook and have a look at these party people with teapees. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.040 So thanks to Gabby, my hairdresser, within an hour. I 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.600 had this amazing party planned as if I'd been planning 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.519 all tiglerly life. So yes, Elizabeth and I pulled it off. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.919 My teddy Jarka and La La and Matt came up 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.800 to Budroom, beautiful Budgroom on the Sunny Coast on Kabycaby 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:39.400 Country and the catering and just helped me set up 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:41.760 and welcome parents. Because me and Elizabeth were still running 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:49.440 around parties started it too, were still at Bunnings Corey Side, 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.000 so Elizbeth at Butnings and I took a video of 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.400 us running through bunning so let my husband know that 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.440 we weren't having a mimosa down at the club. So 0:02:58.480 --> 0:02:59.960 I let you took a video just to let them 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.320 know that we're not having you know, catch up auntie time. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.120 So get there as amazing. The kids get dropped off 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.400 parents or go. And one of my good friends stayed 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.959 and was having a yarn and basically just talked about 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.280 you know why a lot of my family are not 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.360 kind of at the party, And I said, well, most 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.720 of them don't actually come to the Sunny Coast. There've 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.600 been once or twice, but it's just you know, it 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:28.560 lacks diversity, and let's just be honest. Now, the Sunnay 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.000 Coast is very white, and you notice that as a 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.320 as a Poston of color, as a black woman, abash 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.640 a woman, you notice that with five black kids and 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:41.000 a Fijian husband, we stick out wherever we go. So anyways, 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:45.120 my friend, literally, you know, I was trying to understand why, 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:47.880 you know, this is happening in terms of why do 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.920 we feel uncomfortable as black fellows living on the Sunday Coast. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.600 I have been there for three years and things haven't 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.480 really changed. This is just how it is, right, just 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.160 one of those places where the older, you know, the 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.360 demographic the people that live there are you know, at 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.720 least sixty seventy eighty and up to one hundred because 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.000 there are a lot of them are retirees. So how 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.880 to give you context because when you know, I was 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.520 explaining that not many people come to visit us, and 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.760 even our experience that morning at a cafe was kind 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:22.359 of very uncomfortable. My friend said, literally, well, yeah, I 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:26.640 guess it's because you're white presenting. And I was like, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.200 white presenting, a white passing, white presenting, And then I 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:36.480 looked at Elizabeth now. Elizabeth Walker's great grandmother is Annie 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.400 l Daru Nu Nu call Kathwalker right. If you haven't 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.920 heard of Kathwalker or Juna knuckleor you should google art. 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.960 She was part of the mob back in the days 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:53.120 that led Australia to the last successful referendum, and she's 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:57.600 also part of a documentary that features Dad. We'll talk 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.800 about that in the moment. But I was like, for 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:04.120 the as time I was, I was shut. I literally 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.440 had no I had no comeback, and Elizabeth looked at 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.240 me and I kind of looked away, and then she 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.159 didn't know because she didn't know how well I knew 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:15.200 the mum. So it was a moment where I just 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.039 I was like, Okay, I've got no words. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:20.960 What does she mean by white white presenting? 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:21.280 Though? 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.840 What because you have a nice house, to that big tennis, 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:30.240 call in that jacuzzi, and maybe what does she mean? 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:34.920 Elizabeth said, well, obviously you know you're educated and if 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:39.880 you look at success, but listen, this is what Elizabeth 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:41.640 was trying to get me to understand. Because I was 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.400 still like afterwards, got hey, we're hosting a party here 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.000 and not get caught up in what just happened, right, 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.680 so and it is on the weekend, like we do 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.200 this ship for a living. So I didn't really want 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:54.960 to get into it, but we kind of, you know, 0:05:55.640 --> 0:06:00.279 sidestep that and just kept going. Anyhow, Elizabeth was talking 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:04.560 about societies measures of success. Do you know I've never 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.919 spoken about this to anyone before that I've reached or 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.120 ticked all those boxes. I've reached all those different you know, 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.599 getting married, you know, buying a house and having a 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.040 successful business, and all of these things are what society 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:22.480 measures you buy or define success. She's like, so maybe 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.200 that that's white presenting. 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.120 What by being successful, you're now white presenting? 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.080 Yes, And I am from Redfern and I you know, 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.720 most of the photos and stuff on the internet are 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:39.160 usually linked back or somehow connected to my dad. And 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.640 my dad was quite political and you know out there 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.839 with everything from the protest movement, the land rights movement, 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.320 Like my grandmother's brother was the one that was organizing 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.040 the eighty two Commonwealth Games protest, which was a pretty 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.080 full on protest in Brisbane. So all I kept thinking 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.240 in my head is has she never googled me? And 0:06:58.279 --> 0:06:59.599 I'm not a big nahdor you. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.279 Should have that, but google a big note. 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.880 But if you google someone and you saw my family, 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.880 that you can't get any blacker. And if you don't 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.120 know my family, then you might need a Google Tiger 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.160 Bales and then that will open up a whole can 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.240 of worms and then you'll know what you're gonna get 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.480 when you meet me. But I'm a bit toned down. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.560 I just think what I find funny throughout yar is like, like, 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.320 why why do. 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:25.600 White fellows kind of give themself permission to even say it? 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:25.800 Though? 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.560 What comes with like, I just understand it? 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.520 First? What does white passing mean? And one why do 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:34.640 they even feel like they have to say it? Because 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.800 it's by doing so it kind of implies that blackfellows 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.120 aren't smart, not successful, And it just I find it 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:41.760 really interesting, not ambitious. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.320 Yeah, and maybe that's a question you should ask her 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.240 when you when there's time and space for it. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:51.280 Maybe that's Listen, you said something that spark let's catch up. 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:56.400 It sparked a thought in an episode on a podcast. Yes, well, 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:57.520 what did you mean by that? 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.840 Because I'd be interested to hear what their answer is. 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:01.880 What does what exactly? 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.960 What I thought it was? 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:05.680 My I'll be honest with you. 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.600 You thought it was the way you like, I always. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.920 Thought white passing because our mobs say it. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:10.840 Right, colorism. 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:15.200 Right, there's black fils that we know, bless them that 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.200 have found out they were black recently. Some of them 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.080 really know who they are and where they come from, 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.440 but they're white as a ghost, and a lot of 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.960 white Australians seem to think, you know that they're not 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:28.880 Aboriginal or they're not real. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:29.760 Right. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.360 We get arcs all the time like how Aboriginal are 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:36.000 you or what part aboriginals? So you know, put that 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.320 shit aside, but it is important. But I've heard a 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.520 lot of our own mobs saying that I've had a 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.680 different experience as an Abiginal person because I am white passing. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.560 So I've heard it in that context because of the 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.480 white skin. But we don't say white skin. So for 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:52.640 people that are listening to this podcast, we talk about 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:56.520 fair skin or light skin black fellows. We don't say, oh, 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.840 they're white looking or white featured. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:01.720 To go back to kind of the thought process behind 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.880 Lizzie bless Her, like, do you think it comes from 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.520 a place of ignorance? And I kind of just look 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.199 at that because I was watching a video the other 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.079 day on TikTok and I don't know whether you've heard 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:09.960 it before, but it's. 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.040 It's called like I Could be Ninja. 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:12.760 Have you heard of her? 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:13.920 Can I play it for you? 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:15.839 Because I think it kind of speaks to the point 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.800 around like ignorance. And it's a video of this woman 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.040 from the US and she's a white woman with blonde hair, 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.520 blue eyes, and she it's like, I want to be 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:34.520 Ninja and like, I'll just got to play it. So 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.000 she's a white woman from the US who's made this 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.319 song about wanting to be Ninja, and she's then gone 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.840 on to like make a full video about it, and 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.240 she's done it at the UNICEF kind of charity. And 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.760 I find it really interesting because it's like ignorance is 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:48.560 really bliss. 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.480 So with the like I'll be honest with you, my 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:53.680 husband will agree, a lot of this shit goes over 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.000 my head. So when she says I want to be Ninja, 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:57.520 now she said I want to be Asian. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.000 I think I want to meet. The story is that 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.440 it's the fact that she's a white woman singing she 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.640 wants to be Ninja, and she's like the whole point 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.080 around is exactly like Ninja is very much. 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:14.600 Like Turtles Ninja, I'm dead. What's kind of take. 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:16.440 Away the ninja? 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.080 The way she was singing the song in an Asian accent. 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:20.880 She wants to be Ninja. It's the act of being 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.480 Chinese or Asian, because it's like it's the point was 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.520 is the ignorance of this woman singing a room singing 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.440 as an Asian woman in this room with her, and 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.080 the point around it is like the ignorance how blicicit is? 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.080 Do you think that's kind of what happens in exchange 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.720 when white fellows say that to you or you're white 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.360 presenting or white passing, Like, do you think that it. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.120 Was a compliment to me though as well? 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:41.520 Is it? 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:42.200 No? 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.040 No? I think for my friend she felt like I think, 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:47.520 and I don't know if she even thought about that, right, 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.440 but I kind of got it as a compliment where 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.360 I didn't know whether to say thank you. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:56.040 Slapper. 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.839 Yes, but let me do let me say this that 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.320 in three years of living in a very white neighborhood, 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:07.120 the first family that Tiger Lily you met at kinder, 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.000 the first family to come up to us was his family. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.160 The first family to invite us into their house and 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:15.680 to have my daughter over and to even let me 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.440 use their nanny. So to me, this person is someone 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.880 that I would say is a good friend of mine, 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:27.000 and I didn't want to offend or upset her. And 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:28.880 it was a seven year old birthday party at the 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.440 same She's looking after her baby and I'm looking after kids. 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.520 And I got my deadly sister Elizabeth here, and I 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:35.160 got my sister and their cooking, like it was all 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:39.440 all this was happening. And then I'm like, I found myself. 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:44.679 Do I want to go black Cart? Do I want 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:46.840 to go black Cart? Or do I save my energy? 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.160 Because the next day at four o'clock, I was on 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.400 a plane to Sydney and with a client Monday delivering training. 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:53.720 So you've got to. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.520 Look, I think it comes like the whole point, right, 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:58.040 It's like I don't believe she was Probably she probably 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.000 had good intent, but it's like, why did black felt 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:01.840 have to then go to educate people? 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:03.920 It becomes our burden and carriers. 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.719 Say, oh, actually, what you're saying is quite offensive, and 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:07.840 I think it speaks to the whole point of ignorance. 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.160 And I know, but just let's let's just be real 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.920 here that that ignorance, has you know, supported me to buy. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.840 Well, exactly the house that I love, had a woman 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.360 very successful, that jacuzzi, the sushi, the tennis court. 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:23.040 Is it? I don't sell washing machines or taller paper, right. 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.520 I deliver with my elders and a very deadly team 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:31.079 of blackfellows. We deliver cultural capability training, which could also 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.000 be seen as anti racism training. And to buy a 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.320 house and the first time on the Sunny Coast in 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:41.920 a very white, exclusive neighborhood. I would say that sometimes 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.600 I'm not appreciative of the racism in Australia, but I 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.960 kind of think, well, you know, my next house might 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.480 be coming sooner than later. Right, thank you? We're talking 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:52.120 post reference. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.240 That's a big that's a big weekend for your mara. 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:55.400 What was your weekend? 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:55.520 Like? 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.160 Well, I was just going to say, it's funny that 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.440 you brought that up because on Thursday was I doing 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.040 Thursday Thursday Night? Okay, so little You guys don't know 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.719 this about me, but in my spare time, because I'm 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:12.280 a very busy person, my way of like unwinding is 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:13.880 I stream online? 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:15.319 Are you a gamer? 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:20.760 No? I just talked to randoms on the Internet, so. 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.160 Apps online and it started in COVID and I because 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.360 I moved to America, right, So I was in America, 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:29.760 COVID happened. 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:31.160 I don't you're married? 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:31.600 Right? 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.240 You listener and he knows. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:38.959 Yes, you're married. Married forced her husband and marry a 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:40.839 right days. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.280 And so when when I was in the US, I 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.840 was so bored and I was like, what can I do. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.000 I'm not leaving the house. And I came across one. 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.000 Of these ads that was like stream online and meet 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.520 people and blah blah blah. Anyway, so I started streaming 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.920 on this app and I met some really cool people. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.120 And they've actually become my friends. 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:10.320 In fact, one of my earlier episodes, unapologetically Bike I 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.360 called it we have one of the people that I 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.600 met on there, that I met online, and he's one 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:18.800 of the coolest people I've ever met. He's a black 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:23.200 Nigerian follow that lives in London, and he was telling 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.800 us his experience about being black in the UK and 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:31.200 the perspective. But so, I've met some really cool people 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.880 on there. But it's funny, I feel like I have 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:38.240 two personas, Like I have this little streaming situation and 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.720 then there's me outside of that, and I never really 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:42.480 intertwined the two. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.720 I never you know people what I do. 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:49.400 And so there's only fans, right, that's streaming, just. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.840 People watching you, only fans. 0:14:52.880 --> 0:15:02.520 I'm not but thinking streaming, right, like tell me you 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:04.040 watch they're looking at you. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:04.760 What are you doing? 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:09.560 Just whatever? Just usually just talking. You could be at the. 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.600 Desk and set up with a light so you look good. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:13.440 Yeah, sometimes and then. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.000 Sometimes most of the time, I'm also working, like I'll 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:19.920 be painting or something. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:21.920 Mara Mara. Make it sounds like it's a bit more 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:23.600 like per than it actually is. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.280 Right, all these people are gonna be like, what are 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:26.640 you doing? 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:31.720 My husband, I'm going to take up streaming. 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:31.880 I would be a bit confused. 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.880 So it's a platform that you just stream your day 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.520 and you could be like doing painting or your makeup 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.280 or cooking to people. 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.000 Yeah, and TikTok from. 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.000 Yeah, it's like it's exactly like TikTok live and you 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.600 can do battles and stuff like that as well make 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:47.600 money and stuff. 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.520 You can make money. So I make money on that, 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.000 and I have made money, which is nice, just a little. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.840 But now you've pricked interest. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.440 When there's money, yes, and I listen. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.200 It's been so much fun for me because I don't 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.440 as an Australian living in America at the time. It 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.360 was just so much fun. People loved that I had 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.040 a different accent. You can imagine, like it shows you 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:15.240 who's nearby. So I'm in Macon, Georgia, the countryest town 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.560 in America, and here's this Australian like everyone you know 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.000 and a audience. 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.480 Yeah, like you just you come online, there's a whole audience. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:24.320 Can you see everyone? 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.680 I can see them come in the room, like their. 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.960 Names, so you know who's in the room. Yes, Oh 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.280 my god. You take me back to like alamack chat. 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.000 When I first got onto the internet. I was in 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.200 grade nine and alamack chat you chose what want to 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:37.480 go into ice, to go under the hot tub? 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:44.760 Oh, that's an episode of freaking. 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.080 And there my space came after. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.520 Back now, yes, so it's like that, but it's all videos. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.280 So you just see me and I'm sitting there doing 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:54.800 whatever I do. 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:55.800 So many like viewers. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.640 Do you get you're a few hundred built a loot 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.760 tune in to watching. Yes, but this is what it's funny. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.400 What's the handle of watch. 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.280 We don't mix the two. Have you find me to 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:08.560 get it? 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.600 So a lot of my audience will be Americans, right, 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:12.560 and that's what they love. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:13.560 They love the accent. 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.120 They love you know that I always get the Steve 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.359 l when kangaroos, spiders, snakes in that order. 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.040 Yes, And anyway, so. 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.320 I've known, like after years of doing this, I have 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.359 like a few little friends that live throughout the world 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.400 that often come and see me and hang out. We've 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.720 gotten to know each other. And on Thursday night, I 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.000 got really drunk on my stream. I barely I don't 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.480 barely drink anymore, but I was home alone. I thought, 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:41.639 you know, I'm gonna have a wine and that turned 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.200 into two bottles of wine and half a bottle. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:45.119 Of bloody tequila. 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:47.320 Where was my invitation? 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:53.400 Three four hundred people? 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.120 And literally I had a few apologies that I had 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:57.360 to make the next day. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:02.120 Because listen, this what this got. This guy that I've 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.359 been friends with for a really long time, I want. 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:10.479 Well, you know, he said to me, because I was drunk, 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.080 you know, a little bit intoxicated, and he was like. 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:14.480 What's how's everything going? 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.160 I said, Oh my gosh, I'm my new I'm having 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.920 another podcast come up, and he doesn't know I had. 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.199 A podcast because I never mentioned it. 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.840 You know, these people know me as Ginny online and 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.760 then I have a whole audience, the black followers over here. Yes, yes, 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.240 so two different personas than God. I hope they don't 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:32.160 find me on here now. 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:39.480 But so basically, he I said, I'm starting a podcast. 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:40.919 We're recording on Wednesday. 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.360 And he was like, wait, he's a rapper quote unquote, 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:47.960 and listen, I'm going to drag you today because you 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:51.240 deserve it. But he said to me, oh, you have 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.520 a podcast and I said, yeah, I do, and he goes, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.960 what's it called? And I said, unapologetically black. This is 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.240 a black American man. And he just went do you 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:06.880 have co hosts? And I said I do, and he goes, 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:08.040 are they blacker than you? 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.320 He didn't know you were black. He has, well, it's 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:13.560 or you're white Australian. 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.919 Yes, yes, oh my god, talking about that. Do you 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.240 remember after your boat boat at Nadock? What your boat 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:24.440 your Nadok event my boat your boat? After Nado? 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.080 We were going, we were hanging out. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.439 I went to be my fortieth birthday party. 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.359 We went out for a last it's going to make 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.800 sense in a sec we were leaving a pub and 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.160 we were going going out. I then proceed, hey, let's 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.280 go you black follows who was in front of us 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.359