Speaker 1: Unapologetically Black would like to acknowledge the traditional owners of
Speaker 1: the lands where this podcast is being hurt or watched
Speaker 1: across this great island continent now known as Australia and
Speaker 1: across the world. We would also like to pay our
Speaker 1: respects to elders past and present and acknowledge that this
Speaker 1: always was and always will be Aboriginal lands.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Unapologetically Black with Ginny, Mara and Will.
Speaker 3: Hello, everyone, Welcome to episode one of Unapologetically Black. I'm
Speaker 3: so excited to be here with my co hosts Mara
Speaker 3: and Will.
Speaker 4: How are you, guys? How was your weekend?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Good, amazing, Well, not amazing, I'm lying it was
Speaker 1: amazing amazing. For you know, when someone says how are
Speaker 1: I'm good, thank you, and you really are. I don't
Speaker 1: have time to tell you how I really am. So
Speaker 1: we do have a little bit of time, but I'm
Speaker 1: mindful of time as well. I hosted a birthday party
Speaker 1: for Tiger Lily and I had ten seven year olds
Speaker 1: for twenty four hours and my titter girl, Elizabeth Walker,
Speaker 1: big shout out to you, helped me. And I'm talking
Speaker 1: about slumber party, sleepover, disco, high tea, the lot tea.
Speaker 1: It was it was high tea, but she just wanted sushi,
Speaker 1: just sushi for high tea, seven year old sushi, hi
Speaker 1: te So we did that and we went all out.
Speaker 1: So I bought a new house, some beautiful Sunshine Cours.
Speaker 1: It's on a big block, nearly two acres and it's
Speaker 1: got everything from a tennis court and I mean champion
Speaker 1: sized tennis court. Yeah, we roll basketball swimming pool at Chacuzzie. Okay,
Speaker 1: imagine being a seven year oldist basketballs. It was like,
Speaker 1: oh and then she's got the you know, her present
Speaker 1: was like a trampoline and a swing set because she
Speaker 1: just didn't have enough. Oh when the people came and
Speaker 1: set up the tepees like proper slumber party. But I
Speaker 1: did havelottresses for the kids until one it to me
Speaker 1: my hair dress I said, what do you mean you
Speaker 1: don't have anything organized on a Thursday morning getting my
Speaker 1: head done, I'm like no, It's like, so where are
Speaker 1: they sleeping? I know, some mattresses on the floor. That's
Speaker 1: how black fellows do things. Yeah, she goes get on
Speaker 1: Facebook and have a look at these party people with teapees.
Speaker 1: So thanks to Gabby, my hairdresser, within an hour. I
Speaker 1: had this amazing party planned as if I'd been planning
Speaker 1: all tiglerly life. So yes, Elizabeth and I pulled it off.
Speaker 1: My teddy Jarka and La La and Matt came up
Speaker 1: to Budroom, beautiful Budgroom on the Sunny Coast on Kabycaby
Speaker 1: Country and the catering and just helped me set up
Speaker 1: and welcome parents. Because me and Elizabeth were still running
Speaker 1: around parties started it too, were still at Bunnings Corey Side,
Speaker 1: so Elizbeth at Butnings and I took a video of
Speaker 1: us running through bunning so let my husband know that
Speaker 1: we weren't having a mimosa down at the club. So
Speaker 1: I let you took a video just to let them
Speaker 1: know that we're not having you know, catch up auntie time.
Speaker 1: So get there as amazing. The kids get dropped off
Speaker 1: parents or go. And one of my good friends stayed
Speaker 1: and was having a yarn and basically just talked about
Speaker 1: you know why a lot of my family are not
Speaker 1: kind of at the party, And I said, well, most
Speaker 1: of them don't actually come to the Sunny Coast. There've
Speaker 1: been once or twice, but it's just you know, it
Speaker 1: lacks diversity, and let's just be honest. Now, the Sunnay
Speaker 1: Coast is very white, and you notice that as a
Speaker 1: as a Poston of color, as a black woman, abash
Speaker 1: a woman, you notice that with five black kids and
Speaker 1: a Fijian husband, we stick out wherever we go. So anyways,
Speaker 1: my friend, literally, you know, I was trying to understand why,
Speaker 1: you know, this is happening in terms of why do
Speaker 1: we feel uncomfortable as black fellows living on the Sunday Coast.
Speaker 1: I have been there for three years and things haven't
Speaker 1: really changed. This is just how it is, right, just
Speaker 1: one of those places where the older, you know, the
Speaker 1: demographic the people that live there are you know, at
Speaker 1: least sixty seventy eighty and up to one hundred because
Speaker 1: there are a lot of them are retirees. So how
Speaker 1: to give you context because when you know, I was
Speaker 1: explaining that not many people come to visit us, and
Speaker 1: even our experience that morning at a cafe was kind
Speaker 1: of very uncomfortable. My friend said, literally, well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess it's because you're white presenting. And I was like,
Speaker 1: white presenting, a white passing, white presenting, And then I
Speaker 1: looked at Elizabeth now. Elizabeth Walker's great grandmother is Annie
Speaker 1: l Daru Nu Nu call Kathwalker right. If you haven't
Speaker 1: heard of Kathwalker or Juna knuckleor you should google art.
Speaker 1: She was part of the mob back in the days
Speaker 1: that led Australia to the last successful referendum, and she's
Speaker 1: also part of a documentary that features Dad. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about that in the moment. But I was like, for
Speaker 1: the as time I was, I was shut. I literally
Speaker 1: had no I had no comeback, and Elizabeth looked at
Speaker 1: me and I kind of looked away, and then she
Speaker 1: didn't know because she didn't know how well I knew
Speaker 1: the mum. So it was a moment where I just
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I've got no words.
Speaker 5: What does she mean by white white presenting?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 6: What because you have a nice house, to that big tennis,
Speaker 6: call in that jacuzzi, and maybe what does she mean?
Speaker 1: Elizabeth said, well, obviously you know you're educated and if
Speaker 1: you look at success, but listen, this is what Elizabeth
Speaker 1: was trying to get me to understand. Because I was
Speaker 1: still like afterwards, got hey, we're hosting a party here
Speaker 1: and not get caught up in what just happened, right,
Speaker 1: so and it is on the weekend, like we do
Speaker 1: this ship for a living. So I didn't really want
Speaker 1: to get into it, but we kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: sidestep that and just kept going. Anyhow, Elizabeth was talking
Speaker 1: about societies measures of success. Do you know I've never
Speaker 1: spoken about this to anyone before that I've reached or
Speaker 1: ticked all those boxes. I've reached all those different you know,
Speaker 1: getting married, you know, buying a house and having a
Speaker 1: successful business, and all of these things are what society
Speaker 1: measures you buy or define success. She's like, so maybe
Speaker 1: that that's white presenting.
Speaker 5: What by being successful, you're now white presenting?
Speaker 1: Yes, And I am from Redfern and I you know,
Speaker 1: most of the photos and stuff on the internet are
Speaker 1: usually linked back or somehow connected to my dad. And
Speaker 1: my dad was quite political and you know out there
Speaker 1: with everything from the protest movement, the land rights movement,
Speaker 1: Like my grandmother's brother was the one that was organizing
Speaker 1: the eighty two Commonwealth Games protest, which was a pretty
Speaker 1: full on protest in Brisbane. So all I kept thinking
Speaker 1: in my head is has she never googled me? And
Speaker 1: I'm not a big nahdor you.
Speaker 4: Should have that, but google a big note.
Speaker 1: But if you google someone and you saw my family,
Speaker 1: that you can't get any blacker. And if you don't
Speaker 1: know my family, then you might need a Google Tiger
Speaker 1: Bales and then that will open up a whole can
Speaker 1: of worms and then you'll know what you're gonna get
Speaker 1: when you meet me. But I'm a bit toned down.
Speaker 6: I just think what I find funny throughout yar is like, like,
Speaker 6: why why do.
Speaker 5: White fellows kind of give themself permission to even say it?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 5: What comes with like, I just understand it?
Speaker 6: First? What does white passing mean? And one why do
Speaker 6: they even feel like they have to say it? Because
Speaker 6: it's by doing so it kind of implies that blackfellows
Speaker 6: aren't smart, not successful, And it just I find it
Speaker 6: really interesting, not ambitious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe that's a question you should ask her
Speaker 3: when you when there's time and space for it.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's Listen, you said something that spark let's catch up.
Speaker 4: It sparked a thought in an episode on a podcast. Yes, well,
Speaker 4: what did you mean by that?
Speaker 3: Because I'd be interested to hear what their answer is.
Speaker 3: What does what exactly?
Speaker 4: What I thought it was?
Speaker 1: My I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 4: You thought it was the way you like, I always.
Speaker 1: Thought white passing because our mobs say it.
Speaker 5: Right, colorism.
Speaker 1: Right, there's black fils that we know, bless them that
Speaker 1: have found out they were black recently. Some of them
Speaker 1: really know who they are and where they come from,
Speaker 1: but they're white as a ghost, and a lot of
Speaker 1: white Australians seem to think, you know that they're not
Speaker 1: Aboriginal or they're not real.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: We get arcs all the time like how Aboriginal are
Speaker 1: you or what part aboriginals? So you know, put that
Speaker 1: shit aside, but it is important. But I've heard a
Speaker 1: lot of our own mobs saying that I've had a
Speaker 1: different experience as an Abiginal person because I am white passing.
Speaker 1: So I've heard it in that context because of the
Speaker 1: white skin. But we don't say white skin. So for
Speaker 1: people that are listening to this podcast, we talk about
Speaker 1: fair skin or light skin black fellows. We don't say, oh,
Speaker 1: they're white looking or white featured.
Speaker 6: To go back to kind of the thought process behind
Speaker 6: Lizzie bless Her, like, do you think it comes from
Speaker 6: a place of ignorance? And I kind of just look
Speaker 6: at that because I was watching a video the other
Speaker 6: day on TikTok and I don't know whether you've heard
Speaker 6: it before, but it's.
Speaker 5: It's called like I Could be Ninja.
Speaker 4: Have you heard of her?
Speaker 5: Can I play it for you?
Speaker 6: Because I think it kind of speaks to the point
Speaker 6: around like ignorance. And it's a video of this woman
Speaker 6: from the US and she's a white woman with blonde hair,
Speaker 6: blue eyes, and she it's like, I want to be
Speaker 6: Ninja and like, I'll just got to play it. So
Speaker 6: she's a white woman from the US who's made this
Speaker 6: song about wanting to be Ninja, and she's then gone
Speaker 6: on to like make a full video about it, and
Speaker 6: she's done it at the UNICEF kind of charity. And
Speaker 6: I find it really interesting because it's like ignorance is
Speaker 6: really bliss.
Speaker 1: So with the like I'll be honest with you, my
Speaker 1: husband will agree, a lot of this shit goes over
Speaker 1: my head. So when she says I want to be Ninja,
Speaker 1: now she said I want to be Asian.
Speaker 6: I think I want to meet. The story is that
Speaker 6: it's the fact that she's a white woman singing she
Speaker 6: wants to be Ninja, and she's like the whole point
Speaker 6: around is exactly like Ninja is very much.
Speaker 1: Like Turtles Ninja, I'm dead. What's kind of take.
Speaker 5: Away the ninja?
Speaker 6: The way she was singing the song in an Asian accent.
Speaker 6: She wants to be Ninja. It's the act of being
Speaker 6: Chinese or Asian, because it's like it's the point was
Speaker 6: is the ignorance of this woman singing a room singing
Speaker 6: as an Asian woman in this room with her, and
Speaker 6: the point around it is like the ignorance how blicicit is?
Speaker 6: Do you think that's kind of what happens in exchange
Speaker 6: when white fellows say that to you or you're white
Speaker 6: presenting or white passing, Like, do you think that it.
Speaker 1: Was a compliment to me though as well?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: No? I think for my friend she felt like I think,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if she even thought about that, right,
Speaker 1: but I kind of got it as a compliment where
Speaker 1: I didn't know whether to say thank you.
Speaker 4: Slapper.
Speaker 1: Yes, but let me do let me say this that
Speaker 1: in three years of living in a very white neighborhood,
Speaker 1: the first family that Tiger Lily you met at kinder,
Speaker 1: the first family to come up to us was his family.
Speaker 1: The first family to invite us into their house and
Speaker 1: to have my daughter over and to even let me
Speaker 1: use their nanny. So to me, this person is someone
Speaker 1: that I would say is a good friend of mine,
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to offend or upset her. And
Speaker 1: it was a seven year old birthday party at the
Speaker 1: same She's looking after her baby and I'm looking after kids.
Speaker 1: And I got my deadly sister Elizabeth here, and I
Speaker 1: got my sister and their cooking, like it was all
Speaker 1: all this was happening. And then I'm like, I found myself.
Speaker 1: Do I want to go black Cart? Do I want
Speaker 1: to go black Cart? Or do I save my energy?
Speaker 1: Because the next day at four o'clock, I was on
Speaker 1: a plane to Sydney and with a client Monday delivering training.
Speaker 1: So you've got to.
Speaker 6: Look, I think it comes like the whole point, right,
Speaker 6: It's like I don't believe she was Probably she probably
Speaker 6: had good intent, but it's like, why did black felt
Speaker 6: have to then go to educate people?
Speaker 5: It becomes our burden and carriers.
Speaker 6: Say, oh, actually, what you're saying is quite offensive, and
Speaker 6: I think it speaks to the whole point of ignorance.
Speaker 1: And I know, but just let's let's just be real
Speaker 1: here that that ignorance, has you know, supported me to buy.
Speaker 6: Well, exactly the house that I love, had a woman
Speaker 6: very successful, that jacuzzi, the sushi, the tennis court.
Speaker 1: Is it? I don't sell washing machines or taller paper, right.
Speaker 1: I deliver with my elders and a very deadly team
Speaker 1: of blackfellows. We deliver cultural capability training, which could also
Speaker 1: be seen as anti racism training. And to buy a
Speaker 1: house and the first time on the Sunny Coast in
Speaker 1: a very white, exclusive neighborhood. I would say that sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm not appreciative of the racism in Australia, but I
Speaker 1: kind of think, well, you know, my next house might
Speaker 1: be coming sooner than later. Right, thank you? We're talking
Speaker 1: post reference.
Speaker 5: That's a big that's a big weekend for your mara.
Speaker 1: What was your weekend?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 3: Well, I was just going to say, it's funny that
Speaker 3: you brought that up because on Thursday was I doing
Speaker 3: Thursday Thursday Night? Okay, so little You guys don't know
Speaker 3: this about me, but in my spare time, because I'm
Speaker 3: a very busy person, my way of like unwinding is
Speaker 3: I stream online?
Speaker 1: Are you a gamer?
Speaker 4: No? I just talked to randoms on the Internet, so.
Speaker 3: Apps online and it started in COVID and I because
Speaker 3: I moved to America, right, So I was in America,
Speaker 3: COVID happened.
Speaker 4: I don't you're married?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: You listener and he knows.
Speaker 5: Yes, you're married. Married forced her husband and marry a
Speaker 5: right days.
Speaker 4: And so when when I was in the US, I
Speaker 4: was so bored and I was like, what can I do.
Speaker 4: I'm not leaving the house. And I came across one.
Speaker 3: Of these ads that was like stream online and meet
Speaker 3: people and blah blah blah. Anyway, so I started streaming
Speaker 3: on this app and I met some really cool people.
Speaker 4: And they've actually become my friends.
Speaker 3: In fact, one of my earlier episodes, unapologetically Bike I
Speaker 3: called it we have one of the people that I
Speaker 3: met on there, that I met online, and he's one
Speaker 3: of the coolest people I've ever met. He's a black
Speaker 3: Nigerian follow that lives in London, and he was telling
Speaker 3: us his experience about being black in the UK and
Speaker 3: the perspective. But so, I've met some really cool people
Speaker 3: on there. But it's funny, I feel like I have
Speaker 3: two personas, Like I have this little streaming situation and
Speaker 3: then there's me outside of that, and I never really
Speaker 3: intertwined the two.
Speaker 4: I never you know people what I do.
Speaker 1: And so there's only fans, right, that's streaming, just.
Speaker 4: People watching you, only fans.
Speaker 7: I'm not but thinking streaming, right, like tell me you
Speaker 7: watch they're looking at you.
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 4: Just whatever? Just usually just talking. You could be at the.
Speaker 1: Desk and set up with a light so you look good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes and then.
Speaker 3: Sometimes most of the time, I'm also working, like I'll
Speaker 3: be painting or something.
Speaker 5: Mara Mara. Make it sounds like it's a bit more
Speaker 5: like per than it actually is.
Speaker 4: Right, all these people are gonna be like, what are
Speaker 4: you doing?
Speaker 1: My husband, I'm going to take up streaming.
Speaker 5: I would be a bit confused.
Speaker 6: So it's a platform that you just stream your day
Speaker 6: and you could be like doing painting or your makeup
Speaker 6: or cooking to people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and TikTok from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's exactly like TikTok live and you
Speaker 3: can do battles and stuff like that as well make
Speaker 3: money and stuff.
Speaker 4: You can make money. So I make money on that,
Speaker 4: and I have made money, which is nice, just a little.
Speaker 1: But now you've pricked interest.
Speaker 4: When there's money, yes, and I listen.
Speaker 3: It's been so much fun for me because I don't
Speaker 3: as an Australian living in America at the time. It
Speaker 3: was just so much fun. People loved that I had
Speaker 3: a different accent. You can imagine, like it shows you
Speaker 3: who's nearby. So I'm in Macon, Georgia, the countryest town
Speaker 3: in America, and here's this Australian like everyone you know
Speaker 3: and a audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you just you come online, there's a whole audience.
Speaker 1: Can you see everyone?
Speaker 4: I can see them come in the room, like their.
Speaker 1: Names, so you know who's in the room. Yes, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. You take me back to like alamack chat.
Speaker 1: When I first got onto the internet. I was in
Speaker 1: grade nine and alamack chat you chose what want to
Speaker 1: go into ice, to go under the hot tub?
Speaker 4: Oh, that's an episode of freaking.
Speaker 1: And there my space came after.
Speaker 4: Back now, yes, so it's like that, but it's all videos.
Speaker 4: So you just see me and I'm sitting there doing
Speaker 4: whatever I do.
Speaker 1: So many like viewers.
Speaker 4: Do you get you're a few hundred built a loot
Speaker 4: tune in to watching. Yes, but this is what it's funny.
Speaker 1: What's the handle of watch.
Speaker 4: We don't mix the two. Have you find me to
Speaker 4: get it?
Speaker 3: So a lot of my audience will be Americans, right,
Speaker 3: and that's what they love.
Speaker 4: They love the accent.
Speaker 3: They love you know that I always get the Steve
Speaker 3: l when kangaroos, spiders, snakes in that order.
Speaker 4: Yes, And anyway, so.
Speaker 3: I've known, like after years of doing this, I have
Speaker 3: like a few little friends that live throughout the world
Speaker 3: that often come and see me and hang out. We've
Speaker 3: gotten to know each other. And on Thursday night, I
Speaker 3: got really drunk on my stream. I barely I don't
Speaker 3: barely drink anymore, but I was home alone. I thought,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna have a wine and that turned
Speaker 3: into two bottles of wine and half a bottle.
Speaker 4: Of bloody tequila.
Speaker 1: Where was my invitation?
Speaker 4: Three four hundred people?
Speaker 3: And literally I had a few apologies that I had
Speaker 3: to make the next day.
Speaker 4: Because listen, this what this got. This guy that I've
Speaker 4: been friends with for a really long time, I want.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, he said to me, because I was drunk,
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit intoxicated, and he was like.
Speaker 4: What's how's everything going?
Speaker 3: I said, Oh my gosh, I'm my new I'm having
Speaker 3: another podcast come up, and he doesn't know I had.
Speaker 4: A podcast because I never mentioned it.
Speaker 3: You know, these people know me as Ginny online and
Speaker 3: then I have a whole audience, the black followers over here. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: so two different personas than God. I hope they don't
Speaker 3: find me on here now.
Speaker 4: But so basically, he I said, I'm starting a podcast.
Speaker 4: We're recording on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: And he was like, wait, he's a rapper quote unquote,
Speaker 3: and listen, I'm going to drag you today because you
Speaker 3: deserve it. But he said to me, oh, you have
Speaker 3: a podcast and I said, yeah, I do, and he goes,
Speaker 3: what's it called? And I said, unapologetically black. This is
Speaker 3: a black American man. And he just went do you
Speaker 3: have co hosts? And I said I do, and he goes,
Speaker 3: are they blacker than you?
Speaker 1: He didn't know you were black. He has, well, it's
Speaker 1: or you're white Australian.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, oh my god, talking about that. Do you
Speaker 6: remember after your boat boat at Nadock? What your boat
Speaker 6: your Nadok event my boat your boat? After Nado?
Speaker 5: We were going, we were hanging out.
Speaker 1: I went to be my fortieth birthday party.
Speaker 6: We went out for a last it's going to make
Speaker 6: sense in a sec we were leaving a pub and
Speaker 6: we were going going out. I then proceed, hey, let's
Speaker 6: go you black follows who was in front of us
Speaker 6: to American people, both African American.
Speaker 5: They both turned around and went.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? And we were like, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's nadock week.
Speaker 6: Black fellow's means something different here in Australia. It was
Speaker 6: just a language thing, right, it speaks his kind of
Speaker 6: They don't understand it, and he didn't even realize that
Speaker 6: you were.
Speaker 3: And it's a real thing because when I first moved
Speaker 3: to the US, I was like, I don't know about
Speaker 3: you guys, but you watched like we grew up in
Speaker 3: that watching hip hop Tupac and as black follows in
Speaker 3: another continent, in another country, I feel like, and they're
Speaker 3: watching their civil rights movement. A lot of other countries
Speaker 3: that have black people in them look to America as
Speaker 3: sort of pioneers in such a way. And I was like,
Speaker 3: when I moved to America, I thought, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this is gonna be cool.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna meet cool black people, and.
Speaker 3: I did, but I also met black people who were like,
Speaker 3: you're not black.
Speaker 4: Stop calling yourself back. It's embarrassing. And so he laughed
Speaker 4: in my face and listen.
Speaker 3: Triggered trigger, trigger, triggered trigonometry.
Speaker 6: Was like a brown person over there, No, he's you
Speaker 6: know that you're not brown.
Speaker 4: He said what is your ethnicity?
Speaker 3: And I said I'm Aboriginal Australian and he was like okay,
Speaker 3: and I was like and he I was like those
Speaker 3: are they are black people in Australia and he.
Speaker 4: Was like, no, they're not.
Speaker 3: And so we had this whole moment and it listen,
Speaker 3: it turns on your stream.
Speaker 1: Yeah people, Yeah, so you're doing.
Speaker 4: This in front of you, got in the box, he
Speaker 4: was in, he was.
Speaker 1: On the podium, he's.
Speaker 4: In the video with me and streaming with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we were having a whole situation and it
Speaker 3: honestly just triggered like twenty year old Jinny that just
Speaker 3: would training on the.
Speaker 1: Time, was you drunk two bottles deep with a half bottle?
Speaker 1: Someone telling me that the people in Australia? What was
Speaker 1: that was?
Speaker 6: Actually got popped out the day I was watching have
Speaker 6: you seen the documentary one four about the group from
Speaker 6: over on Western Sydney?
Speaker 1: I did see their show. I was that was my
Speaker 1: kid's first concert.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this one is a big night again.
Speaker 1: But they did, they did.
Speaker 5: They popped onto the skater the scene with their wrapping.
Speaker 6: And it was interesting because in the documentary they were
Speaker 6: talking about in the US they never thought there were
Speaker 6: black people in Australia because they thought us to be tall,
Speaker 6: blonde hair, blue wide or dude. And that's kind of
Speaker 6: how their home and Crocodile Home and Away, Steve Irwin.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's interesting because I meet a
Speaker 3: lot of black follows and I said, black fallows internationally
Speaker 3: like brown, black, melanated.
Speaker 4: People, and generally they get it, you know, but this
Speaker 4: foller didn't.
Speaker 3: And he and it just triggered me so bad because
Speaker 3: he couldn't stop laughing about it, like he was laughing
Speaker 3: in my face. And again two bottles of Muscado DTA
Speaker 3: and a bottle of half a bottle of tequila custom egos.
Speaker 1: Did is there a worm in there? Because it's my favorite?
Speaker 3: Didn't? Girl?
Speaker 4: It should have, because I want to. I would have
Speaker 4: just been like, all right, let's go, because then let's go.
Speaker 4: I was, and I literally argued with this man for
Speaker 4: like forty five minutes trying to prove myself.
Speaker 1: I just recorded anywhere. No no, no, God, I ended
Speaker 1: up what really living life as a black woman having
Speaker 1: to always kind of not fight for your existence. But yeah, constantly, no,
Speaker 1: I'm this, I'm that. Hold a minute. Sometimes you start
Speaker 1: to think, am I that like, because you've just told
Speaker 1: me that I'm not in a like you said. It's
Speaker 1: triggering because there's a lot of those early childhood memories
Speaker 1: where people have told us that we're not average, we're
Speaker 1: not who we say that we are.
Speaker 4: And I think that that's the thing, right.
Speaker 3: I feel like in Australia, it's you meet black follows
Speaker 3: in either it's all the same story almost you know
Speaker 3: they're either too black or they're.
Speaker 4: Not black enough. And then I go to this.
Speaker 3: And then I go to another country and I think,
Speaker 3: you know, this might be nice for me, a bit
Speaker 3: of a change because.
Speaker 1: They embrace me as their black sister.
Speaker 3: No, that's not even what I love going for. But
Speaker 3: do you know I noticed as well. And I don't
Speaker 3: know if you mob get out of the country very often,
Speaker 3: but I feel like we.
Speaker 1: Don't have that much money. Look a five kits in toe.
Speaker 3: But I feel like the only time I've ever referred
Speaker 3: to myself as Australian.
Speaker 4: Is when I'm not in the country. I would never
Speaker 4: be like, hi, I'm Australian.
Speaker 1: I love that you mentioned that, Tedda because just looking
Speaker 1: at some scripting recently for a co production watch This Space,
Speaker 1: I had to look at the word ossie and go, oh,
Speaker 1: that actually excludes people like me and my children who
Speaker 1: don't actually identify with the Aussie culture or even my kids.
Speaker 1: Just recently they ticked the box but it was Fijian
Speaker 1: for a I was Tag's date Cup team. They had
Speaker 1: to fill in the form I'm a thirteen year old.
Speaker 1: You know these filazies Andy pick up your mom. Don't
Speaker 1: worry if you don't. You haven't registered me. I'll do
Speaker 1: it myself, yes, sweet as. And they do it. They pay,
Speaker 1: They got credit card details, they got what is it
Speaker 1: called pay Apple payer on their phones. I'm like, hold
Speaker 1: a minute, how did you get my card on your fagers?
Speaker 1: The moment's easiest punch your numbers into my Wow. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: this is a true story. So yeah, Lemecki had he
Speaker 1: took Fiji and I was like, wow, is that interesting
Speaker 1: that his dad is a Kiwi born Fijian. His mother's
Speaker 1: aberage ko and on a form where it has picked
Speaker 1: your nationality. He went straight to Fijian. But he's been
Speaker 1: raised by a black mother, like an aberge or mother.
Speaker 1: That takes him back to my wedding in Fiji, when
Speaker 1: I went to talk to the elders about this wedding
Speaker 1: that my husband knew nothing about. True story.
Speaker 4: She tricked him.
Speaker 1: The first thing that he heard was when I was
Speaker 1: sitting there talking about it. And because he was adopted
Speaker 1: at birth, my beautiful husband has gone through this whole
Speaker 1: kind of journey and process of finding out who he is.
Speaker 1: And it was a psychic that told me to take
Speaker 1: him back to his island. He hadn't been back since
Speaker 1: his month passed twenty something years ago. True story. Yah
Speaker 1: looked after my kids, our kids, and Tiger Lily was
Speaker 1: three months old, and I just said to Peace, I've
Speaker 1: got a plane ticket. We're going to feed you in
Speaker 1: two weeks. He's like why. I was like, we're going
Speaker 1: to go find your people. He's like, what do you
Speaker 1: mean I did. We jumped on the plane. We went
Speaker 1: to this foreign country. What it's not it's an island,
Speaker 1: but you know, foreign place and we love the country though. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we rocked up and we went and we just
Speaker 1: jumped in a car and we drove around and you know,
Speaker 1: his sister, Melissa, beautiful Melissa, I rang her straight away.
Speaker 1: So I was in contact with one of his siblings
Speaker 1: and she was helping us as like our kind of translator,
Speaker 1: because Peace does not speak his mother tongue. He can
Speaker 1: understand it, but he can't speak it. So it turns
Speaker 1: up to his you know, his country and with me.
Speaker 1: But he didn't know that we're going. And when we
Speaker 1: went to the village to meet with his family and elders,
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. Sitting with the elder in the circle,
Speaker 1: he looked at me and he said to me and
Speaker 1: he touched my arm and he was like, are you
Speaker 1: a white woman? And pieces looking at me and I
Speaker 1: look at it.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, no, this is the elder.
Speaker 1: The elder in Fiji in the village who's about to
Speaker 1: approve our wedding, is trying to figure out what I was.
Speaker 1: So I said, no, I'm a black woman, and he
Speaker 1: has a black woman. I said, yeah, I'm a black woman.
Speaker 1: I'm black Australian. That's the first time I said Australian.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, like indigenous. I said, yeah, he
Speaker 1: goes oh. He says, you're like a strong Fijian woman.
Speaker 4: But isn't that That's the thing.
Speaker 3: It's like you don't realize it from the outset what
Speaker 3: that looks like. And so I've definitely come across lots
Speaker 3: of those people lately and it's been testing me. And
Speaker 3: usually I have the time in space, you know, and
Speaker 3: I will want to go through that comment. But this
Speaker 3: follow was laughing in my face and I dragged him
Speaker 3: for days on this street me up and I literally yeah,
Speaker 3: he was like, well, hope there's black people.
Speaker 5: And here I am.
Speaker 1: Make me bring back my honey and my sisters. My
Speaker 1: brothers are going to bring them are back and show
Speaker 1: you how black we are.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, it's wild, but I mean, yeah, isn't it nice.
Speaker 4: I think that ignorance is bliss stuff sometimes.
Speaker 1: It I think that's going to be the title of
Speaker 1: this episode. Ignorance is bliss unapologetically black, and I think
Speaker 1: that is enough for our guess.
Speaker 6: Again, good enough actually was quite boring anyway, it wasn't it.
Speaker 5: It wasn't The nearest one is yours?
Speaker 6: Maybe next thing I am I in next episode, you
Speaker 6: hear about my weekends. Now, look, it wasn't as good
Speaker 6: as said. You had a much much more robust weekend
Speaker 6: than I are. A bigger weekend.
Speaker 5: I literally robust. It's a good word for a bloody Wednesday.
Speaker 1: How we have conversations about racism? I wrote that one.
Speaker 6: I was relaxed because I talked about me being a
Speaker 6: care But my nieces have moved out recently, so I've
Speaker 6: kind of regained a bit of my independence back. Even
Speaker 6: I've got a man, but I babysat my nieces and nephews,
Speaker 6: the twins, and what I realized for that I never
Speaker 6: want kids.
Speaker 5: So that's my takeaway from weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. That's it.
Speaker 5: That as excited as it gets for me these days.
Speaker 1: Thanks Will, thanks for sharing.
Speaker 3: Sorry we took over, but yeah, ignorance obviously is bliss
Speaker 3: at times it works. But we hope you guys join
Speaker 3: us next time for another episode of Unapologetically.
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Speaker 5: And tuning in next week to hear more about my weekend.
Speaker 1: But what about it? Also? Do we want people to
Speaker 1: start like writing to us, writing reading like, can they
Speaker 1: write in share something with us? If you want to,
Speaker 1: you can slide into Ginny's DMS. I'm married, Are you're married,
Speaker 1: We're all married. Don't slide into anyone's d ms. Just
Speaker 1: be real and tell us what you want.
Speaker 5: I want your number, where you live.
Speaker 1: Just just say is no. We are all taken and
Speaker 1: it's not complicated.
Speaker 4: Well, this this took a real time.
Speaker 1: We can't wait to We can't wait to come back
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