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Speaker 1: And Amanda Jamni.

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Speaker 2: Sending a police commissioner, wouldn't it. You've just got to

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Speaker 2: please everyone, but you've got to do the right job.

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Speaker 2: But I think in the case of Karen Webb, with

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Speaker 2: what's been happening in her with the police conference or

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Speaker 2: the press conference the other day, dealing with all the

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Speaker 2: questions from the press, I just feel that you've got

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Speaker 2: to really put on a confident, strong force and you

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Speaker 2: can be a bit brave with your opinions with stuff.

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Speaker 2: I just found it quite extraordinary that we're seeing footage

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Speaker 2: now of this bloke, this is the perpetrator, the alleged

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Speaker 2: perpetrator of this double murder, tasering a perpetrator in the face.

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Speaker 2: And Karen Webb said, oh, no, I haven't seen that footage.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, well, I saw that footage and then this

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Speaker 2: goes back to the old lady that got taser by

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Speaker 2: that copper. She said at the time. Karen Webb said

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Speaker 2: at the time, Now I haven't seen that footage either.

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Speaker 2: If I was the if I was the commissioner, I

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Speaker 2: would be seeing all that stuff, wouldn't you. Absolutely you'd

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Speaker 2: be sitting and going, Okay, someone's asked needs to be

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Speaker 2: kicked you go. That's what.

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Speaker 1: An interesting it's interesting skill set to be the commissioner

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Speaker 1: because you have to have knowledge of the policing, which

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Speaker 1: she does. You have to, though, also be a politician,

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Speaker 1: and you have to be the buck stops with me

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Speaker 1: kind of face of the police and answer the hard

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Speaker 1: questions from the public. And this is the bit where

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Speaker 1: she's falling down, I think.

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Speaker 2: But she's a she's not really a politician. She's the police.

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Speaker 1: But what I mean is she's the commission but she

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Speaker 1: has to deal with politicians. It's a political position in

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Speaker 1: that regard, not politics as in parliament house politics, but

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Speaker 1: it's a very political position. But she has to be

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Speaker 1: across all those things. So she has to understand how

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Speaker 1: the police work. She has to also understand how what

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Speaker 1: the community wants and communicate all of that. And that's

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Speaker 1: where I feel there's this disconnect.

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Speaker 2: It would be a hard job, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But at a time when the public is saying,

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Speaker 1: come on, I think so many people, as he said earlier,

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Speaker 1: do not call this a crime of passion, do not

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Speaker 1: say it's domestic violence. So many women are killed every week,

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Speaker 1: These two poor men murdered, These are not crimes of passion.

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Speaker 2: And one of them was blamed for that. It was

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Speaker 2: originally suspect. I don't know. The police go in with

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Speaker 2: an open mind with stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they seem to actually allude to that in

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Speaker 1: the stuff I was reading in the first few days.

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Speaker 2: But wasn't there a time when coppers used to be

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Speaker 2: able to use journalists as a part of a tool

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Speaker 2: in their police sing.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they still do. I'm sure they're still.

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Speaker 2: Karen Webby, isn't That's the thing, and it is. It's

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Speaker 2: a PR exercise. Really, being a copper is a PR exercise.

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Speaker 2: It's about getting the community on side, and it's also

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Speaker 2: upholding the law. I understand that. But you've got to

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Speaker 2: put on a bit of a show. You've got to

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Speaker 2: put on a bit of a you know, a PT

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Speaker 2: Barnum show

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Speaker 1: And you have to allow uncomfortable questions to be asked

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Speaker 1: and to give us confidence that you know what you're doing.