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Speaker 1: We know that.

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Speaker 2: Late on Friday, the Darwin Turf Club issued a statement

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Speaker 2: on Monday, August nine for a spell of all positions

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Speaker 2: following the resignation of the majority of the Darwin Turf

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Speaker 2: Club Board. This will set in motion a process for

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Speaker 2: members to elect a new Darwin Turf Club Board. Now,

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Speaker 2: the announcement follows a member's petition arising from the ICAK

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Speaker 2: report into the grant for the Grandstand, and the statement says,

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Speaker 2: the former Chairman of the NT Racing Commission, the NT

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Speaker 2: Licensing Commission and former Commissioner of Consumer Affairs, Richard O'Sullivan

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Speaker 2: has been co opted to the board and is currently

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Speaker 1: Now joining me in the.

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Speaker 2: Studio to talk further about this is the opposition leader,

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Speaker 2: Leah Fanocchiaro.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Good.

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Speaker 3: Morning Kadian to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Now, Leah, there's no doubt the issues around the Grandstand

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Speaker 2: run deep. The Northern Territories and Anti Corruption Watchdog made

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Speaker 2: findings of improper conduct against the Chief Minister's former chief

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Speaker 2: Turf Club and a company director over that twelve million

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Speaker 2: dollar government grant for the new grandstand. Do you think

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Speaker 2: that this announcement by the Darwin Turf Club goes far

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Speaker 2: enough from their perspective.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, and ultimately, the Darwin Turf Club is a member

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Speaker 4: and have to deal with this situation from their perspective

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Speaker 4: head on, and I believe that's happening sometime in early August.

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Speaker 4: But what I will say, Katie, is that none of

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Speaker 4: this would have happened if the Gunner government didn't make

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Speaker 4: the decision to grant the twelve million dollars in the

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Speaker 4: first place. And I think that's the critical point here.

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Speaker 4: Brett Dixon and the Turf Club didn't give themselves twelve

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Speaker 4: million dollars. Al F Leonardi didn't give away twelve million

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Speaker 4: dollars of taxpayers dollars. This was Michael Gunner and his cabinet.

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Speaker 4: They're the ones who made this decision. They're the ones

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Speaker 4: Territorians for that expenditure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is you know I said it right from

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Speaker 2: the get go. This decision stunk. It's stunk right from

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Speaker 2: the start. I cannot understand why the government.

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Speaker 1: Ever thought that it was a good idea.

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Speaker 2: But interestingly, two existing board members, mister Dale Baschino and

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's appropriate that he's stay on the

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess mister O'Sullivan is the one guiding this

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Speaker 4: know that's entirely a matter for them. Ultimately, on the

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Speaker 2: Now we know the Chief Minister had said though that

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Speaker 4: Of I think it's garbage, Katie. I think it's grandstanding,

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Speaker 4: absolute garbage. I think the Chief Minister is up to

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Speaker 3: And that his performance when.

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Speaker 4: The IK report was dropped around I'm going to change

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Speaker 1: Now, I did ask the Chief Minister last week.

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Speaker 1: Now here is listen to what he.

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Speaker 1: Cabinet, so you took it.

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Speaker 5: I'm the cabinet I'm responsible for everything.

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Speaker 2: But very specifically, I'm asking who took the proposal to cabinet?

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Speaker 5: This was a cabinet decision based off a twelve month

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Speaker 2: Leah, do you think that that is acceptable? And where

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Speaker 4: I think the Chief Minister has a lot to answer for.

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Speaker 4: This is how I view what has happened. When you

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Speaker 4: that's coming out. The Chief Minister wanted to open something

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Speaker 4: He's the chair of Cabinet, he's self professed to be

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Speaker 3: Well in advance of that cabinet meeting.

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Speaker 4: We were talking about less than a twenty four hour

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Speaker 2: I guess the difficulty we've got at this point is

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Speaker 4: Well, I think there's a lot more to this than

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Speaker 4: everything that led up to that point is public now.

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Speaker 4: The k report very clearly says that there was no

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Speaker 4: There is no way in the world that the Chief

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Speaker 2: I reckon that's what needs to happen next is he

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Speaker 4: If he disagrees with the IKAC dank, which at paragraphs

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Speaker 4: I mean, in my view, the Chief Minister said, I

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Speaker 2: Announcement was made, many of us were questioning whether we

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Speaker 5: And the chairman's company shouldn't have got the tender.

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Speaker 2: So all of us in the public could see that

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Speaker 5: We've genuinely supported the idea of expanding the Cup carnival

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Speaker 5: that there essentially being a bit of misconduct and deceit

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Speaker 1: Would you still do this again?

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Speaker 2: Would you still give the Darwin Turf Club that twelve

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Speaker 5: No, we've got like Cack report that I think shows

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Speaker 2: he concedes that he wouldn't make this decision. Again, from

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Speaker 2: the opposition's perspective, what needs to happen from here?

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Speaker 4: The Chief Minister is trying to save his skin and

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Speaker 4: quite frankly, it's disgusting and everyone sees through it. He

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Speaker 4: is lying to territorians about how this got into cabinet.

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Speaker 4: Nothing would have happened if cabinet had have voted it down.

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Speaker 4: He wanted this done and it did not follow the

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Speaker 4: proper process full stop. The k report says that the

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Speaker 4: process was affected by political donations. We've had the Gunner

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Speaker 4: government scurrying around for two weeks trying to say make

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Speaker 4: some tenuous allegation that the report actually clears their government,

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Speaker 4: when very clearly the Ikak report says that it did

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Speaker 4: not consider the cabinet in confidence. So what needs to

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Speaker 4: happen now is the Chief Minister needs to be the

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Speaker 4: leader he's been elected to be. Stand forward, Stop with

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Speaker 4: the rhetoric around I'm responsible for cabinet, I'm the chief minister.

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Speaker 3: At rest with me.

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Speaker 4: If you truly understand the words of responsibility, Chief Minister,

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Speaker 4: then you need to stand in front of your peers,

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Speaker 4: the very territorians who elected and you need to provide

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Speaker 4: proof that this followed the proper cabinet processes.

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Speaker 3: And if you don't, then shame on you.

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Speaker 4: You are the worst chief Minister the territory has ever

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Speaker 4: had to endure, and it is to the detriment of

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Speaker 4: every man, woman and child in this jurisdiction.

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Speaker 2: So, Leah, at this point in time, you feel that

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Speaker 2: the Chief Minister realistically needs to put up or stand aside.

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Speaker 2: He needs to show proof that it did follow the

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Speaker 2: appropriate process and if it didn't, and if he cannot

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Speaker 2: show that proof, you think he needs to step down

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Speaker 2: without question.

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Speaker 4: It is not possible for him to have received that

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Speaker 4: loosely termed cabinet submission and just accept it on face value.

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Speaker 3: That is not how cabinet works.

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Speaker 4: And if that is how this cabinet works, then my gosh, Katie,

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Speaker 4: we are in a world of hurt. I mean, let's

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Speaker 4: not forget the context around this decision. Was a thirty

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Speaker 4: eight point seven billion dollar debt looming in just ten years,

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Speaker 4: a hospital in c crisis with bed block, terrible things

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Speaker 4: happening out at URDH through no fault of the staff.

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Speaker 3: Might I add we.

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Speaker 4: Had the government then giving principles pay freezes, and then

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Speaker 4: out of nowhere they give away twelve million dollars with

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Speaker 4: something that was created the day before a cabinet meeting.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't pass any test. It is not even something

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Speaker 4: you can allude to. The IKAK has been explicitly clear

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Speaker 4: that there was no Northern Territory government scrutiny of it

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Speaker 4: prior to two pm the day before cabinet and quite frankly,

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Speaker 4: the IKAK report basically says that the entire market led proposal,

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Speaker 4: you know process was a farce. This was always going

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Speaker 4: to be a grant and government just needed to find

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Speaker 4: a transparent, in inverted commas vehicle to get the money

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Speaker 4: out the door.

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Speaker 1: Well, Lea Frocchiara, we are going to have to wrap up.

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Speaker 2: I do want to ask you just very quickly though

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Speaker 2: it's been announced that Territory Days going to happen on

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Speaker 2: August twenty nine. Fires and others are questioning the decision

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Speaker 2: in terms of the high fire danger.

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Speaker 1: What is your what your thoughts on this day?

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Speaker 3: I think it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we've obviously had to postpone Territory Day for

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Speaker 4: obvious reasons. People understand that the territory's back open. Why

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Speaker 4: wasn't it this week? Why isn't in the net net

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Speaker 4: next week? We have firework suppliers with their fireworks, with

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Speaker 4: their advertising, with all of their stuff ready to go.

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Speaker 3: We have territorians primed and ready, and.

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Speaker 4: We know that we long the longer we leave it

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Speaker 4: into the end of the dry seats and the high

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Speaker 4: that fire danger is. So why the government have chosen

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Speaker 4: to kick this can down the road to the end

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Speaker 4: of August is absolutely beyond me Kati, But it's another

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Speaker 4: stupid decision by an incompetent government.

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Speaker 2: Well Leafanokiaro, I'll tell you what you're firing on all

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Speaker 2: pistons this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Take care everyone.

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Speaker 1: Thank you