1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: A lot on the agenda and we would usually catch 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: up with the opposition leader on a Tuesday, but she 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: has been out in boro Lula. Lea Fanocchiaro joins me 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: on the line right now. Good morning to you, Leah. 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners. 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: Leah. I saw on the socials that you had planned 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: to actually head well to the local police station out 8 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: there in boro Lula, but you weren't allowed in What 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: was the situation. 10 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: Oh, it's so pathetic, Katie. The police minister really is 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: reaching new lows at the moment now for those who 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: aren't aware the opposition. Every time we want to go 13 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: and speak to public servants or go into a government 14 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: building like a health center or a police station, we 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: have to get approval from the minister, and so I 16 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: thought that approval in advance. I was going to borrow Lulla. 17 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: I'd love to go and see the police out there. 18 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: Of course, I'm also the shadow Minister for Police, so 19 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: it's important that I am able to facilitated to do 20 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: my job. And the Police Minister rejected me for his 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: second time. This is the second time I've been out 22 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: to bor Rolula in twelve months, and for the second 23 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: time she's knocked me back because she herself has not 24 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: taken the time to go out there. 25 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: So what was the reasons behind it? From her perspective 26 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: in there? 27 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: She just said no, she hadn't been out there to 28 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: see them, and she wants to go out there before 29 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: I go out there. But I've been out there twice. 30 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 2: Did you so have you given block? 31 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: Did you were you in a situation where you gave 32 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: plenty of notice or was this something that was sort 33 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: of sprung upon them at the last minute. 34 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: No plenty of notice, Katie. And it wasn't an operational decision. 35 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: It wasn't a decision from police because they were busy 36 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: or they were out on community. This just came straight 37 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: back down from the Police Minister's office saying, no, the 38 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: police minister had not yet visited Bora Lulla and I'm 39 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: not allowed to visit any police station before she has 40 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: visited them. I mean, this is the same police minister 41 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: that blocked me out of visiting Tenant Creek Police station 42 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: last year. A couple of weeks ago, she wouldn't let 43 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: me put a photo of the police graduation up on 44 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: Facebook because she was in it, and she didn't give 45 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: me permission to use her photo. I mean, this is 46 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: a government that has completely lost the plot. It's in 47 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: total chaos and forgetting about the real reason we're all here, 48 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: and that's to make the territory a better place for everyone. 49 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: That's the important part of my job to speak to 50 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: police when I'm out in. 51 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: About and so what exactly what were you hoping for 52 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: when going out to Bora Lula and visiting the police 53 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: station out there. 54 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: So it's really important when I'm out across the territory 55 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: to visit the police station and to speak to the 56 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: members about the issues they're seeing on the ground in 57 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: those communities, the crime rates, patterns that they're seeing, and 58 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: then of course talk to them about what's important to them. 59 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: Look at the infrastructure as well, so to understand we've 60 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: got some quite old facilities across the territory and to 61 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: be seeing the operational environment that police have to work 62 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: in the cells they might have watchhouses, vehicles, things like that. 63 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: So housing as well, police housing is really important, particularly 64 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: when you're out remote. When I go and visit a 65 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 2: police station, they are the types of things I talk 66 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: to police about and have a look around to see 67 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: with my own eyes so that, you know, it helps 68 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: me understand where the priorities of a government that I lead, 69 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: you know, would need to pay attention to Lilla. 70 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: There will be some people asking this morning whether you 71 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: are doing some of these things to get a headline 72 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: and to get a rise from the police minister. 73 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: No I contacted the police minister thought approval to go 74 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: to the police station. If she had come back and 75 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: said yes, I would have gone to the police station 76 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: and no one would even know that I was there. 77 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: You know, we would have just been me doing my job. 78 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: But instead I'm holding them to account and making sure 79 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: Territorians understand just how petty and pathetic this government is 80 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: in trying to stop the opposition leader the shadow minutes 81 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: different police from going to Borlalla Police station, thanking them 82 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: for doing a great job and finding out how we 83 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: can all help them to continue to serve and protect 84 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: our community. 85 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: Well, let's hope that you're able to get out there 86 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: sometime soon and go and see those officers. Now, Leah, 87 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: this morning, we know that the Northern Territory government have 88 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: announced that they are well. They're certainly saying that it 89 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: is all in an effort to improve its justice response. 90 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: To domestic and family violence. So basically, the Justice Legislation 91 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: Bill for twenty twenty three has been released for consultation. 92 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: The reforms, they say, provide a more consistent and specialized 93 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: focus on victim safety and offender accountability to help reduce 94 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: the cycle of violence. Now, we know that domestic violence 95 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: is a huge scourge here in the Northern Territory. Nearly 96 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: every day we see different statements come out from the 97 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police of the horrendous domestic violence incidents that 98 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: go on. We are told that, you know, those callouts 99 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: for our Northern Territory Police each and every day to 100 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: amiss to those domestic violence incidents are taking up a 101 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: huge amount of resources. How do you think these changes 102 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: to the legislation are going to impact the territory? 103 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: Well, hopefully in a positive way. We know in our 104 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: Springs domestic violence is up forty eight percent. In Catherine 105 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: it's up fifty eight percent. So this is a chronic 106 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: issue across the territory and it's not only the impact 107 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: on the victims, but of course on the children of 108 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: those families and the broader family unit and the community. 109 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: So it's a massive issue that needs to be tackled. 110 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: We know this government didn't deal with the ending of 111 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: Stronger futures properly and the increased access to alcohols reached 112 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: havoc across the territory. But to know that they've put 113 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: out a discussion paper is positive. It means there can 114 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: be genuine engagement across the community and particularly with the 115 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 2: domestic violence sector. I remember a couple of years ago 116 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: the government brought in DV legislation where the sector was 117 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: really concerned that it would have negative impact, and so 118 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: it was actually recommended to Parliament that that legislation not proceeds. 119 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: So this is hopefully an important opportunity for everyone to 120 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: express the pros and cons or perhaps tweak what needs 121 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: to be done. And of course that's all contingent on 122 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: government actually listening to the feedback, which we certainly hope 123 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: they do. 124 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: LEA. Is there anything in particular that the COLP would 125 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: like to see included in these legislative changes. 126 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: Well, what we want to see is that when people 127 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: are going to prison for domestic violence, we want there 128 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: to be mandated programs, and we want those programs to 129 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: be targeted at the causes of what's going on and 130 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: why someone is driving that type of behavior, and we 131 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: think it should just be you know, we think if 132 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: you're incarcerated, there should one hundred percent be an expectation 133 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: that you complete programs that are targeted to what you're 134 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: offending is in the first place. So yes, prevention and 135 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: all of those programs need to be there as well. 136 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: I'm not taking away from that, But what we really 137 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 2: want to see is for people who are in custody 138 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 2: sitting there every day, rather than staring at a brick 139 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: wall or learning how to become a better criminal. We 140 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: want people to be treated appropriately and have access to 141 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: the services they need so when they come out, we're 142 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 2: not sending them back in to prison because they reoffend. 143 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: Well, let's hope that this consultation is a step in 144 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: the right direction and we do see some change when 145 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: it comes to the domestic violence rates that we have 146 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: here in the territory Leah a serious concern that has 147 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: been raised over recent days. We spoke about it extensively 148 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: on Friday with various businesses that were impacted. It is 149 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: the issue of crime that is being experienced in Catherine 150 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 1: right now. It's a real concern. We are being told 151 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: that there's a mob that's ruling the town and it's 152 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: wreaking havoc on locals. Leah. The police said that they 153 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: are focusing on the town. What more needs to happen 154 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: from your perspective, Well. 155 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: Joe Hersey, my member in Catherine, has been out on 156 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: the ground crying with these business owners who are just 157 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: desperate for action, and she's been very vocal saying there 158 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: needs to be more early intervention programs. There needs to 159 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: be better programs for young people they don't turn to 160 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: a life of crime. And Joe Hersey was actually out 161 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: yesterday at seven EMUs station out near Borolula, which this 162 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: government has touted as being a very prominent early intervention program. 163 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: But unfortunately, Katie, this year not a single youth has 164 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: been referred by territory families to seven EMUs stations. You 165 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: have a fantastic, fantastic facility. You know, Joe was out 166 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: there yes day. 167 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: We did speak to Joe yesterday and she did say 168 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: that what's your understanding of why we're not actually seeing 169 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: any youth go through that facility. 170 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: Well, you know, this is something government needs to explain. 171 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: They've invested three million dollars in infrastructure out there. I 172 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: believe it's around a four point five million dollar contract. 173 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 2: The people out there are wanting to do, you know 174 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: what they're being paid for. They're wanting to deliver services 175 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: and intervention, but territory families aren't pushing through the referrals. 176 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: It just appears like a total lack of commitment to 177 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: actually dealing with these kids prior to them becoming youth 178 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: of fans and that's what's really really required, and equally 179 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: putting the rights of children first. We know that this 180 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: government has an opportunity where there's care and protection issues 181 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 2: in a family, to ask the federal government to engage 182 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: in income management, and we just don't know whether this 183 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: government is actually delivering on that. It's about parental responsibility 184 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: and about ensuring that parents are taking responsibility for their 185 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: kids and doing the right thing by their kids, and 186 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 2: sending them to seven EMUs Station is just one example 187 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: of a terrific program that gives kids an opportunity to 188 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 2: really reflect on where they've come in life and where 189 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: they need to go moving forward. 190 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: Just having to look at a few of the things 191 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: that you have said this morning, like in terms of 192 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: seven EMU Station, but also in terms of the claims 193 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: from last week. You know that we have got these 194 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: gangs of youth that are just sort of running around 195 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: in Catherine doing the wrong thing, and a lot of 196 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: people going, well, why aren't they at school or why 197 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: are they allowed to be on the streets at night? 198 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: I mean, are we in a situation here where there 199 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: needs to be some serious questions asked of territory families 200 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: if indeed these children are in the care of territory families, 201 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: but also in terms of why we're not utilizing some 202 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: of those different diversion programs such as seven EMU station. 203 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, without question, and in estimates in not next week, 204 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: the week after, we will be pouring over this issue. 205 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 2: Don't worry about that, listeners. It's something we're really focused 206 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: on because you've got a government talking the talk but 207 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 2: not walking the walk. If we have not had a 208 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: single youth diverted to seven EMUs this year, then something 209 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: major is going on. If we have youth out on 210 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: the street in the middle of the night and our 211 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: police are powerless to do anything about that, we have 212 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: a major issue again with territory families from a care 213 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 2: and protection of children's standpoint, because it is not safe 214 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: for children to be out on the street. It is 215 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: not safe for children to be engaging in crime. And 216 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 2: we have an issue again with and this is all 217 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 2: comes back to Kate Warden, the police and territory families. 218 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: Minute he spends more time chasing me around and stopping 219 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: me doing things than doing her own job. There's a 220 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: major breakdown here, Katie. This government does not know what 221 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: to do with this situation. But people's lives are being 222 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: destroyed because of it. Both the kids who haven't had 223 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: the opportunity to be in a safer environment and lead 224 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: a healthier life going forward, and all the businesses and 225 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: residents across the territory who are suffering under this grip 226 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: of crime, and our police are suffering from it as well. 227 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: Leah, I do want to move along. News yesterday of 228 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: the passage of the Constitution Alteration for the Voice so 229 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: that twenty twenty three bill by the House of Representatives. 230 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: Those working on the Yes campaign say that the passage 231 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: marks one step closer on this journey to a First 232 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: Nation's voice and commended the House of Representatives for hearing 233 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: the overwhelming what they've said is the overwhelming majority of 234 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: First Nations peoples who support a voice. Is the parliamentary 235 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: wing of the COLP any closer to me making a 236 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: decision if you do or don't support the voice? 237 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: Well, we welcome that this has passed through federal Parliament. 238 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: I think it is important that people right across this 239 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: country get the opportunity to have their say. And like 240 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: we've said one hundred times before, Katie, you know, we 241 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: as members of Northern Territory Parliament just have one vote, 242 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: just like everybody else. 243 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: I mean like you've got bodies like the NRL, You've 244 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: got bodies like the AFL, You've got CDU, you've got 245 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: different you know, you've got different organizations sort of wearing 246 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: their hearts on their sleeve whether they do or do 247 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: not support the voice. Do you think that it's reaching 248 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: a time with a CLP actually as a parliamentary wing, 249 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: do need to determine or do need to make a 250 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: decision as to whether they do or don't support it? 251 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 2: Well, I think it would be foolish for us to 252 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 2: do that without the information. And that's what we've been 253 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: calling for. Where is the federal government. Where has been 254 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: the information campaign right across the territory about what this 255 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: is going to do, how it's going to improve the 256 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: life of territorians and how it's going to deal with 257 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: the issues we have here in the territory. I certainly 258 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: haven't seen one. I have not received one invitation to 259 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: a consultation session. I haven't seen one information boost up 260 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: at a shopping center. There really hasn't been the detail, 261 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 2: and that's all we're calling for. There is many months 262 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: before people have to go to vote, and we remain 263 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: open minded to what it is that a voice would 264 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: do for the territory. But we're not just going to 265 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: rub a stamp something because it might sound good. We 266 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: need to make sure we're fighting for territories to have 267 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: the detail so that people can make an informed decision 268 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: when they vote. 269 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: Do you reckon You're going to reach a point though, 270 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: where the parliamentary wing does actually have to decide whether 271 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: they are supporting yes or no. 272 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: Well that might be the case, Katie, but certainly right now, 273 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 2: what are we We've just ticked over into June, the 274 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: referendum's not into October, and there's an sceric of useful 275 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: information out there in the Northern Territory about how this 276 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: is going to make people's life. Veteran as I've told 277 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: Federal Labor and I've told the Federal Labor Senator, if 278 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: people don't understand it, they will likely vote no. And 279 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 2: that's the feedback we're receiving on the ground. And so 280 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 2: if Labor really want this to work, they've really got 281 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 2: to come here and explain to people how it's going 282 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: to change the lives of people living in the Northern Territory. 283 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: Because I certainly won't be rubber stamping something that doesn't 284 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: deal with territory issues. We don't want to just be 285 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 2: a minority voice on a national body where people from 286 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: interstate rule and dominate the conversation. I can't see how 287 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: greater impact from people in big states is going to benefit, 288 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: you know, the lives of people in the Northern Territory. 289 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: So I'm very conscious of representation when it comes to 290 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: whatever it is the Voice is going to do. 291 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: Now, before I let you go this morning, there has 292 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: been discussion. We had the Northern Territory electoral Commissioner on 293 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: the show yesterday talking about the proposed changes to the 294 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: electoral boundaries. Have you had a bit of a look 295 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: at it, you're concerned about it in the those changes, 296 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: or do you think that they'll make much of a difference. 297 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it is an important time and certainly as 298 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: a party, we'll be making a submission back about changes 299 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: that we think need to be made. So yeah, there's 300 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: some big changes, particularly to seats like mine, which is 301 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: way over quota, so my seat needs to be changed 302 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: a little bit to reduce the numbers of people in it. 303 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: And we know in the northern suburbs there are a 304 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: lot of seats out there that are under quota. So 305 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: there is going to be some movement, there's no question 306 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: about that. But we'll be working really proactively with our 307 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 2: submissions to the board to say where we think those 308 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: movement of boundaries need to be well. 309 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: Lere plenty of text messages coming through on the text line, 310 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: a few people really wondering why you're not able to 311 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: just go and visit the Bora Lula police station. But 312 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: I understand there is obviously the different procedures that you've 313 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: got to take, but plenty of people wondering when you 314 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: will get the opportunity to head out there. So if 315 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: we're able to get the police Minister on at some point, 316 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: we'll ask that question. Lea f Thank you very much 317 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: for your time. 318 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: Just to answer that. So, if I was to rock 319 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: up to a police station anywhere without permission, then I 320 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: risk putting those members of the police force in trouble. 321 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, which you do not want to do. 322 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: Do that. I do it properly. I get the permission 323 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: because the last thing I want to do is put 324 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: the men and women of our police force in trouble 325 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: because of stupid political games by a labor minister. So 326 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: that's why I do that. 327 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Well, Lea Finocchiaro, the opposition leader, appreciate 328 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: your time this morning. Thanks for having your chat with us. 329 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: Take care everyone. 330 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: Thank you.