1 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: Oh, I love a bit of a gossip and detective work. 2 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: I think they go so well together. Do you like 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 2: it too? You don't have to answer that. I know 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: you do. That's why you're here with me, Arts Simone. 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm sitting down with pretty bland people, you know, and 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: uncovering the thing that makes them more interesting or more 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: exciting than your regular Joe. And it's really simple. I 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: do a bit of detective work, have a little kiki, 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: and then get the tea. Really, it's the mother of 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: all podcasts. This is concealed with art, Simone. Oh, let's 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: bring in our. 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 2: Guests raw time. Hi. 13 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 3: My name's Sue. I live in Werribee. My age well 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 3: a lady never tells, but what I will say is 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: I share the same birth date as Sir Elton John. 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: I have two cats. I'm a self proclaimed Martha Stewart 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 3: of Melbourne, lover of art and crafts and quite the 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 3: reputation for sourcing anything and everything. But today I'm here 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: to set the record straight. 20 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: Hello. 21 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Hello Sue, how are you? 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: I'm very well? Thank you? 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: Art. 24 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: Oh no, this is very exciting because we are changing 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: things up for our season finale. 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: Because I know exactly who you are. 27 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: I do, but I'm still going to play our fun 28 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: game because I think our listeners are going to have 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: a little fun trying to work out who exactly is 30 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: sitting in front of me here today. All right, I'm excited. Okay, good, 31 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: So you're covered in your drenched in sequence. You look 32 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: like a disco ball. You've got a beautiful cropped bob 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: there with the nice highlights and low lights. Very I 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: want to speak to the manager. I like that, and 35 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: a nice pair of spectacles as well. 36 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: Do you like to read? 37 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: I do read the house down boots, mamma. Yes, guide exactly. 38 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: And that's what I call a yes and person just 39 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: going with the flow. 40 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: But you said you like. 41 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: Arts and crafts and you're a self proclaimed Martha Stewart 42 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: of Melbourne. What do you like to do with just 43 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, tax evasion? 44 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: Please keep that to yourself. 45 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Now you'd need a job. But but 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: now what do you get up to? What makes your 47 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: Martha Stewart? 48 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: I love baking, I love home decorating. Yes, and my 49 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 3: specialty from what my family considers is birthday parties, special occasions, celebrations. 50 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: Right, I go all out what's your favorite like the 51 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: daycre the goodie bags, the favorite bag. Oh, okay, you're 52 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: queen of the favor bag. Yes, well, I do know 53 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people that love a good bag, so 54 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: I think we have a lot in comment. What I'm 55 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: gonna do today is ask you three questions, and from 56 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: the answer to those three questions, our wonderful listeners have 57 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: to try and work out what you're concealing. 58 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: I'm ready, all right, and also who you are? I guess. 59 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: So the first question I have for you is which 60 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: on screen hairdo would you like to try once in 61 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: your life? 62 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: H Marge Simpson, of course, Marge Simpson. 63 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: What do you like about the Simpsons. 64 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: Blue hair? 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: You like the blue hair? Blue hair? 66 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: Marge Simpson? Yes, So do you like the Simpsons or 67 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: you just like her hair? I just like her hair, 68 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: all right, right, hair lover? Okay, okay. Question number two 69 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: for you is which Kardashian are you most like? Oh, 70 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: Chris Jennas mammager exactly, yes, right, okay, so you're most 71 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: like Chris Jenna. But well, the matriarch of the family. Okay, 72 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: she seems a mean She's done some wonderful things with Look. 73 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: Look how she took off Kim's career. 74 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: Do you think she would film the sex tape? 75 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 3: I think so? 76 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: Oh, Gal, I don't want to be sued for defamation 77 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: because Chris Jenner hobbing knock on that door in any second, 78 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: be like she's probably she's like bloody Beetlejuice. You say 79 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: her name three times and she'll appear. Let's not mention 80 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: her again, okay. And our final question we have for 81 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: you is if I were to give you a plane 82 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: ticket to anywhere in the world right now, where would 83 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: you go? 84 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: England? It would be nice to see the Motherland? Oh? 85 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: Do you have heritage in England? 86 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: An association? 87 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: Okay? All right, yes, yes, okay. Have you been to England? No? 88 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: So that's why you want to go there. 89 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: It's on my bucket list. 90 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So let's recap blue Hair, Beetlejuice, and. 91 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 2: England. 92 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if I was a listener, I wouldn't 93 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: know how to join those three things together. But I 94 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: feel like there may be a little bit of a 95 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: through line. You said Motherland, you said Mummager Christianna and 96 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: Marge Simpsons may be the matriarch of a very famous 97 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: family who are you. 98 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 3: I am Sue Art Simon's mum. So hello, Oh. 99 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: That was hard not to say mum a thousand times 100 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: and also talk about things that I know that don't 101 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: make any sense if I don't know them. 102 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: Ah oh, well, that's glad. That's out. Why are you here? 103 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: Why have you shown up to my job here today? 104 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: I'm here today to tell the real story of how 105 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: Art Simone became Art Simone. 106 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: Oh oh, so you're here for my origin story. 107 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: There'll be lots of surprises. 108 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: Surprise Mom's here, all right. 109 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: I want you all in your best behavior please, because 110 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: I've never had her here at my workplace. I have 111 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: no idea what she's come to present to all of 112 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: you here today, but it Strappian. 113 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 3: I guess. 114 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: All right. 115 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: My mom has surprised me here live in the studio 116 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: to reveal the origin story of Art Simone. Okay, which 117 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if I feel comfortable with that, but 118 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: I want to say you are probably the second most 119 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: mentioned person in Concealed with Art Simone besides Arts Simone. 120 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: You have been a common theme throughout many of our 121 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: interviews and stories. You are an off duty police officer, 122 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: You're you're my merch manager. You're my house cleaner, You're 123 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: my confidante, You're Mark Galpal, You're my driving instructor. You 124 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: single handedly have helped to create the beast that is me, 125 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: Art Simone. What are we doing today? What are you 126 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: going to be revealing to the audience? Because I have 127 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: no idea. I feel like you've prepared something. 128 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: Well, we're going to go on a journey from in 129 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: the womb until today. 130 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to go into the 131 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: womb with you again. 132 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: We are all right, I'm here to talk about Art Simone. 133 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: How Art Simone became Art Simone from the very beginning. 134 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: All right with me? Let's h well, I knew. 135 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 3: Art was destined to be a star from the very 136 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: first moments of her life. On my routine ultrasound scan. 137 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 3: So I've been given the happy news that I'm having 138 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: a boy. Then the stenographer she was having a giggle, 139 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: and I thought, what on earth is she laughing at? 140 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: She said, I'm so sorry, but this is so funny. 141 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: Usually the babies have got a finger up peace sign 142 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: or the rude finger. But your little one, look, his 143 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 3: jaw is just going NonStop. He's a little jabber jaw. 144 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: Look at him. He's a chatterbox, but maybe I was hungry. 145 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: No, you were perfecting the art of lip syncing. 146 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: Ah okay, And I would like to know what song 147 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: that was. What was your very first lip syncing song 148 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: in the womb? 149 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 2: What were you listening to in nineteen ninety two. 150 00:08:59,240 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: Cindy Lauper? 151 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: Okay, girls just wanted you were still a decade late 152 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: listening to her? Then John John again, answer, I think 153 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: I was thinking to whatever you were doing, whatever you 154 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: whatever gossip was coming out of your mouth. Miss all right, 155 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: so I'm lip syncing in the womb. Yes, pop out. 156 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: Now we're going to go to age three, and there's 157 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 3: the end of year kindergarten performance. 158 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: That's Christmas time normally, so that will weigh in a manger. No, 159 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: Santa Claus is coming to town. 160 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: No, it wasn't Christmas scened. No, you were devastated you 161 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 3: did not get the lead role. You were heartbroken. 162 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: Oh that's a big word to use for a free role. 163 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: You were Oh God. 164 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: I had to then try and sell the role that 165 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 3: you were given to you, which I thought, I will 166 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,599 Speaker 3: have my work cut out for me. 167 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: I think you're revealing to me for the first time 168 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: that that wasn't the lead, because I have always sad 169 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: it was the lead. 170 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: No, I can't remember. I must have sold to you that. 171 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: You were the lead. You told me I was the lead. 172 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 3: No oh no, oh, my goodness, I did do a 173 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: good job. 174 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: Did go on tell them the name of this. 175 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: Character, Clarence the Clown. 176 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: I thought it was fish Fingers the clown. 177 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: No, and we had to provide your own costume. Now 178 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: this is what sold it to you. 179 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: Your very first wig, yes, from the Melbourne Show, A 180 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: nice purple, curly, curly clown wig. 181 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 3: Yes. 182 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: And how was my performance? Is Clarence the clown? Be honest? 183 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: You were a happy little vegamine which. 184 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: Was not the pause. That was probably the biggest role 185 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: id because after that I was a river. 186 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 2: Yes I was. 187 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: I've got the dud rolls for my entire rest of 188 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: my school life. 189 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 2: Yes I did. 190 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 3: Yes. Age three was also the year that I found 191 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 3: your love, found out about your love of makeup. I'm 192 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 3: talking five am in the morning. I would get up at. 193 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: I want everyone to know I'm still like that. I 194 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: get up and I do a run, and then I 195 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: do my yoga, and then my key gulls, and then 196 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: I have a protein drink, and then I only eat 197 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: egg whites, and then I go and save children from 198 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: burning houses. 199 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 3: Continue Okay, yeah, yes, yes, I would wake up. And 200 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 3: where's little Art? 201 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: Know? 202 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: Where to be? 203 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 3: Seen in their bedroom? Looked in the kitchen? No little 204 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: Art there? Where is art? 205 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: Are you exposing yourself as a bad parent for losing 206 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: your child. 207 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: In in the bathroom? I'm just ignoring that. 208 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: You're so used to be that you just don't even 209 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: acknowledge it anyone, Sorry, Continue. 210 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: In the bathroom? Is little Art? Makeup case unzipped? We've 211 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: got foundation, We've got muscaa, we've got lipstick everywhere. It's 212 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 3: all over yourself and surprisingly not a hideous, horrendous mess either. 213 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: Not too bad? 214 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: Are you saying? I was slaying, yes for a three 215 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: year old, and I've just been at that standard ever since. 216 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: You've improved a lot. 217 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: Oh well, that's very kind of your mother. Oh thank you. 218 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: You may have seen Art's competitive side on screen, dummy spitter, 219 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: I can tell you it started also at the age 220 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: of three, I was summoned for a meeting with your 221 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: kinder tea tea. I was puzzled as to why I 222 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: was summoned because I knew that you were not naughty 223 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: Ata I. 224 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: Would have been in a fight. Now, that wasn't me. 225 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 3: The kindo teacher, in all seriousness, was very concerned about you. 226 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: Little art is too hard on themselves. 227 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: You can't be too hard on yourself. 228 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 3: Little art is too competitive. 229 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't pushing people over. 230 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: But you wanted to read the kinder story at the 231 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: end of the session. You wanted to sit on the 232 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: kindo teacher's chair and read the end of session story 233 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: to the students. 234 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've got drive. 235 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: You imagine being around a little kindergarten kid who doesn't 236 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: want to do that. 237 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: Oh no, hopers, no hopers. 238 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: Well, you were throwing a tantrum, having a meltdown because 239 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: you couldn't read to that standard. You couldn't read a book. 240 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: I'm just angry at myself, not anyone else. That's fine. 241 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 3: Well, no, you were also competitive with another little boy 242 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: there that could read a book from start to finish. 243 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: If he was cheating, he his memorized it, he could 244 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: write his name. I disagreed with the kinder teacher. 245 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: Did you fight them? 246 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: I did? 247 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 2: He said, listen here I did. Kid's going to be 248 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: hard on themselves. 249 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 3: I had to disagree that it is not a bad 250 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: thing to be competitive and always strive for your next goal. 251 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: Oh God, you might have some parents not agreeing with you, 252 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: But do they have a child who's an international drag superstar. 253 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 3: No, no, they don't. 254 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: Keep your opinions to yourself. 255 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: Art is a fabulous performer, as you all know, a 256 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 3: great dancer. But it wasn't from her taking dance lessons, 257 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: but rather from you observing them. 258 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you wouldn't let me. You couldn't afford it. 259 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: I couldn't dance. 260 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: I want to do jazz, I know for me now, 261 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm so so sorry. I would imagine if you had 262 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: paid for it, I can still do it anyway. So 263 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: I say, we say money. 264 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: Well you would have just got the jazz hands. 265 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: I can already do that. 266 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, no, because my sister was a dancer and 267 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: I didn't get to do it because she did all 268 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: the dance classes. So I would come in every Saturday 269 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: and watch, and I'd help set up the bars to 270 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: the ballet bars. 271 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: Yes, then I go and eat two pies. 272 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: There was never any complaints from yourself dragging you to 273 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: the drop offs and pickups because you bribe me with pies, 274 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: and the sewing sessions and the behind the scene. 275 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: The sewing was fun because the ladies were just bitch. 276 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: It was hilarious. I love it. 277 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: We've spoken about this several times because I have apologized 278 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: that I didn't get you dance lessons, and yes, you correct, 279 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: it was not affordable. But you absorbed like a sponge, 280 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: everything that you were seeing, everything that you were around. 281 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: You stored it in your vault, didn't you. 282 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: I mean not really. I don't think I'm very dance, 283 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: but I took it a lot. From the costumes, yes, 284 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: the stage the costume yes, yes. 285 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: And also how to survive being in an RSL in 286 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: the middle of winter with no heating. I survived. I 287 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: got a lot of tips about that too. 288 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: The camera might love you now, but your first time 289 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 3: on camera was when you were in primary school. Gramps 290 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: came to visit with his video camera, right, and you 291 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: were very much into little skits at our entry grate. 292 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: You might remember we had a flight of brickstairs. 293 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: That is very descriptive of you. Very proud. 294 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 3: Yes, brick stairs, yes, that's very important. The flight of 295 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: brick stairs. 296 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: Cho. 297 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 3: Your little skit was you were going to pretend to 298 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 3: slip on a banana skin, acting you had actually badly 299 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: slipped on the banana peal. You had slipped and dived 300 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: face first into the bricksteps. 301 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I wanted a free nose job. Maybe it 302 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: was forward thinking. 303 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: You're Harry Potters. 304 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: Fully ignore me, hilarious, Like, no, I'm trying to finish 305 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: my story. This is the epitome of parents, Like we're like, 306 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: mum mam, mam, mam, ma'am mam mam, mam, mam mam. 307 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, your Harry Potter style glasses were smashed beyond repair. 308 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: We didn't have a spare pair. 309 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: No, I didn't have a spare pair of glasses until 310 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: I was an adult and I could buy them myself. 311 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 3: Those glasses expense Yeah, specksavers two for one. 312 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: No, oh my god, the luxury I found out when 313 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: you can just have multiple pairs of glasses and pick 314 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: what color you want to wear for the day. But 315 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: also I couldn't do that because my eyesight kept getting 316 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse and worse. Degenerative eyeballs I have, 317 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: So what was the point in having two pairs of glasses? 318 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: You just have to get another one in a few months. Anyway, 319 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: back to you, I'm glad I got that out. I'm 320 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: thinking about that a lot. 321 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 3: Are you feeling better now? 322 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? I am actually good. 323 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 3: So your poor little Harry Potter style glasses, one arm 324 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 3: was missing off them. It had to be sticky taped 325 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: back on. The lenses were smashed. I don't even think 326 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 3: you could see out of them. But you had to 327 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 3: make do with those until we did order a new 328 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 3: pair of glasses. 329 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 2: Or Oshkosh Bergosh glasses. 330 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 3: Yes, so there's actually a lot that took place at sixteen. 331 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: Perhaps a pivotal moment was when I took you to 332 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 3: see Rocky or why I didn't actually take here? 333 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 2: Stop lying to everyone. 334 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: You bought tickets and then said just go and I said, 335 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to go to this. That looks that's inappropriate. 336 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: Why would I like that? 337 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: And then I liked it? 338 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: Yes, I knew you would like it. You're right, mother 339 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 3: knows best. 340 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, I did see it, and then I saw 341 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: it again, and then I saw it again, and then 342 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: I saw it again and I saw it over ten times. 343 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 3: What I was going to ask, how many times did 344 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 3: you end up seeing Rocky Horror? 345 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: Ten and then also I broke in and sat in 346 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: the foyer for one of the sessions. 347 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 3: You also made friends with fellow Rocky horror fans. Yes, 348 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 3: you would wait backstage. 349 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: Yes, which I don't like to admit now because I'm 350 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: very fortunate to have worked with some of these people 351 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: in my career now and know some of these people 352 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: think how embarrassing. And I was annoying one of those 353 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: annoying rats at the stage door with a T shirt 354 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: I handpainted and feather bowers, being. 355 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: Like, I'm a fighter, can E sign this? Yuck? 356 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: But they gave you the time of today and the 357 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: people I always remember. That's why I always have time 358 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: for people. Because I liked I want to pay it back. 359 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: But when I saw I just fell in love with 360 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: it because I mean, deep down, I really loved sequin 361 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: and glitter and drag and all of that. And it 362 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: was so nice to be in a space and to 363 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: watch thousands of people watch these quote unquote freaks on stage, 364 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: and to see thousands of people every single night celebrating them, 365 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: was like, Wow, maybe there is a place to me. 366 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: Maybe I can be who I actually am, Maybe I 367 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: can be proud of who I am, and maybe I 368 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: can put a lash on and have thousands of people 369 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: cheer for me, and I mean it's usually twenty people 370 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: at bingo. 371 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: But I think we're doing well. I think we're doing well. 372 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 3: Do you think it had in some way an effect 373 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: on you to come out as being gay. 374 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: It definitely did, because it was like, oh, this is okay, 375 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: this is okay, there's other people there like me. 376 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 3: It was the same year that you came out as 377 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 3: being gay, because you never came out. At secondary school 378 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: celebration day the very end day. 379 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, well I went in drag yes, muck up day. Yes, Yes, I. 380 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 3: Went in a Frank Confurter style. 381 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: Everything was Frank Confurter. 382 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: Yes. Inspired because then I went to science camp later on, 383 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: where I was dressed as Frank and Ferter. Yes, that's 384 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: how I first learned how to sew because I was 385 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: trying to replicate his costumes. 386 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 3: Speaking of that science camp, people may not know the 387 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 3: path that you were going to go down with your career. 388 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: You were very much maths, science, medically. 389 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: Fair not to have a confrontation with you live on air, 390 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: but also I think a lot of that. I mean 391 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: I was good at it and everything, but I was 392 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: also doing it because it was like drilled into me 393 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: that you know your grandfather, Yeah, got to be smart, 394 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: You've got to do the smart subjects. You've got to 395 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: be successful or everyone is looking on you. 396 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: It's up to you. You know. 397 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: I had a lot of pressure on my shoulders, so 398 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: like there were many times throughout my teenage years and 399 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: right from the beginning when I wanted to do a 400 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: jazz class where I wish I could have steered off 401 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: to do more creative and artistic things, but I couldn't. 402 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: But then I guess when I got to Science Camp, 403 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: I had a. 404 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 3: Yes because you did work experience at Cabrini Hospital in 405 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 3: the lab, Yes, the pathology labor and who organized that? Yes, 406 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: you know you grandfather. Yes, you wanted to do him proud. 407 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 3: You didn't want to let him down, and he was 408 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: the big male influence in your life. 409 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: I mean, you're a good dad. 410 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 3: Well I played the role of both. Yes, I still do. 411 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: You were offered a spot at the Science Forum camp 412 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 3: in Perth. On Science Camp, one of the big events 413 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: was a end of week camp celebration parties. 414 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 2: I was going to say, what was it called? 415 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 3: And you were encouraged to dress up as a character, 416 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 3: so of course Frank and Furter. 417 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: And because I've been playing it very low key, you know, 418 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: with all the science nerds throughout the week. And then 419 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: I went back to my little room and came back 420 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: out in full drag, and everyone was like, oh, Margat. 421 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 3: Or your first pair of heels. 422 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 2: High heels. 423 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: I don't know which person, which random big footed lady 424 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: in mural Bark donated those of the shops. Yes, but 425 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: there was a site. They were too big for me 426 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: and I've got size thirteen lady's shoes. They were like 427 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: a fourteen. 428 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 3: I thought they were too small. 429 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: No, I don't know. They were too big and I 430 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: glittered them myself. 431 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 3: They were meant to be. But my mind boggles. Can 432 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 3: I ask you, how can someone so clumsy can be 433 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: so elegant and poised walking in high heels without an accident. 434 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it is, because you're not afraid 435 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: to fall anymore. I've fallen so many times in my 436 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: life that there's no It's just about confidence. I'm like, 437 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: worst case I'm going to fall. I've done that a 438 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: million times. There's no mystery to it. 439 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 3: Now, returning home from your science forum camp, there was 440 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 3: a big pivotal moment. Then I'm not going down the 441 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: science path anymore. I don't want to do science anymore. 442 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 3: I want to change all my subjects in year eleven 443 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 3: to the arts. 444 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 2: But can I say, before I presented you with that speech, 445 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: I'd been to my art teacher and shown her my 446 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: photography and got her to write a letter of recommendation 447 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: to you to say that I'm actually very good. 448 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 3: I also had I was summons to another meeting. Yeah, 449 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: but they both assured me that whatever you were going 450 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 3: to put your mind to you would be a great success. 451 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: And they were so convincing that it was okay, let's 452 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 3: follow you, dreams, follow you. 453 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: Real prefacing this like it was a massive It was 454 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: a big deal to me. But I literally just dropped 455 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: chemistry and did studio art instead. 456 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: Yes, while where in high school years you first discovered 457 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 3: Draculas se of restaurant or a Dracula's cabaret feed of restaurant. Yes, 458 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 3: so you fell in love with Draculas once again, setting 459 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 3: yourself goals as soon as I turn eighteen, I'm going 460 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 3: to work at Draculas. So you went for your interview, 461 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 3: and you didn't think you'd gone down too well the interview, 462 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: because you were so enthusiastic. Yeah, I think that was 463 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 3: a bit of about Draculas. You'd come across as a 464 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 3: Dracula's fan. 465 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 1: Fan, and now that I've been on the inside, you 466 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: do not hire those people because they're like freaks. 467 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: But somehow, Yes. 468 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 3: They first started you weight service. 469 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 2: I was a food runner. 470 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 3: Didn't go down so well, did it? 471 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: Food running was fine? 472 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: What went badly was it because you had to work 473 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: up from food running to be a drinks runner and 474 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: do the drink trays. They're like, all right, it's time 475 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: for you to learn how to hold drinks. They're like, yep, 476 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: we'll just lead up your tray with drink with glasses 477 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 1: to practice maneuvering through the venue. And I got like 478 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: three steps out and I dropped the entire train and 479 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: smashed them and I said, no more, I'm not doing that. 480 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 3: It was no surprise, It was not a shock. This 481 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 3: is Clarence the clumsy clown. Well, yes, so then they 482 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: found a perfect position for you in the gift shop. 483 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: So during this whole time, I've watched Rocky Horror, I've 484 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: fallen in love with it. I've gone to Arcamp I'm like, 485 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: I need a name, and I didn't. I wasn't calling 486 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: myself a drag queen yet. So I was like, well, 487 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: I like spooky things, I like draculas, I like Rocky Horror, 488 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: I like spiders and vampires. I'm going to be Count Jacular. 489 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: And I was so dedicated to creating this persona that 490 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: I made a website. I like fully made a logo 491 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: that used to go on all my photos and everything. 492 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: And I really saw that through until I was like 493 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: nineteen years old, and then I got into the real 494 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: world and I realized how lame that was. 495 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 3: Well, it was all your friends were calling you count 496 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 3: ejaculated them at the ENNGV in top Arts. 497 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: Instead of putting my beautiful name, in which. 498 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: You gifted to me as a child, I made them 499 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: right Count Jackula on the plaque. And I just went 500 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: back there to celebrate a thirty year anniversary of top Arts, 501 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: and I had to say, I'm so sorry, Jesus. 502 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 3: Well, you put a lot more thought into your current name, 503 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: Aunt Simone. 504 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: The name came about because I was at Traculas, but 505 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I will you want to do 506 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: drag drag now? So I saw there was a local 507 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: drag competition I wanted to enter, and that's where I 508 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: was like, well, I need a drag name. Now. I 509 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: can't be count Jackular, I can't be Anthrax, I can't 510 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: be Scabitha. 511 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 3: And he didn't want the camp drag. 512 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: No, no, no, you want to be a cantname. And 513 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: I actually tried. 514 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: I was like, maybe Scabitha could work because I thought 515 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: it was you know, it's a bit camby, it's drag 516 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: and I was a bit oookie spooky at the time, 517 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: but I tried it out. RuPaul did her last ever 518 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: live in person show. I bought tickets to go and 519 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: see that first time in full drag out in like 520 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: a queen venue. I'd never been to a queen venue 521 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: before to watch RuPaul. And for the warm up of 522 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: the show, the drag host at the time got some 523 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: people up to walk a catwalk and do a fashion 524 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: pray and see, you know, like who could win. And 525 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: I went up there and she goes down to lunch, 526 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: she's like, and what's your name? And I said Scabitha. 527 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: And then later in the night she came up to me, 528 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: she's like, don't use that name ever again and that's 529 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: because her name was Tabitha. 530 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 2: And so she was like, oh Turlington, Tabitha Turlington. 531 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: Yes. 532 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: So after that I was like, well, that can't be 533 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: my name. And then fast forward, I entered a drag competition. 534 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: Art was not just art. You had a lecturer who 535 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: said the work that you were doing this is not art. 536 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 3: That'll never be art. 537 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: No, it was told I'd never be art. 538 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: So me, being a sassy little bitch that I was, 539 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: I called myself art. Yes, which is not the right 540 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: way to start your career, but I'm stuck with it 541 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: now anyway, and I quite like it. 542 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 3: Yes, it's fabulous fart. 543 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: It's very handy. 544 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: Do you remember, once you'd selected art, you ask for 545 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 3: my help to select the name to go with the 546 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 3: second name, so you have your new drag stage name, 547 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: ready to perform art simone. You enter, at the age 548 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 3: of eighteen, your first drag competition, and it was similar 549 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: to RuPaul's drag Race that there was a different challenge 550 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 3: every week. 551 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: Well, they'd make you do a new drag performance every week. 552 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: You have to have a new look, a new song, 553 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: and it was to a theme. And then as the 554 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: competition whittled down and they eliminated people, they still needed 555 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: to fill an entire night of shows, so they'd make 556 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: you do multiple performances and then a group number, and 557 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: then this and then that. Gosh, it's a great business structure. 558 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: Just get twelve nobody's in to do your entertainment all 559 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: night long. 560 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 2: Don't have to pay them anything. 561 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, think of it that way. It drew in 562 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 3: the crowd. 563 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: But the funny thing is what I I don't think 564 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: people understand is I'd been doing drag on my own 565 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: terms at Dracula's and on my own things for years 566 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: at this stage, but I'd never really set foot into 567 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: gay clubs. I was any drag, so they had no 568 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: idea where I'd come from. It was quite fun, but 569 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: you stuck with me through the whole competition, and I 570 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: don't want to say it. 571 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: I wanted to my own horne. But what happened winn 572 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 2: Winn winner. 573 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 3: So the drag competition was your first entry into the 574 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,719 Speaker 3: world of drag competing. You ended up on the world 575 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: stage through Paul's Drag Race. 576 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: You've been along the whole journey. You've been there to 577 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: help celebrate me. There's a million stories I could tell. 578 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: There's like stories where I'm like, Maum, I need a 579 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: new prop so I send you to sexy Land to 580 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: go and buy a whip. 581 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 582 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: Like every week I'd be like, Mum, I need this, 583 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: and you'd go off to a two shop and search 584 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: every single gift store in the state to try and 585 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: find bras shopping. 586 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: We did bra shopping with me. 587 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: You have been my little helper for anything I've ever 588 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: needed to succeed. You've been more than happy to be 589 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: part of it. So also, thank you very much for that. 590 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate it very You're very welcome. 591 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: I am blessed beyond to be traveling this rainbow path 592 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 3: that you're leading me along. I love every minute of 593 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 3: it and I will continue to help you whatever you need. 594 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 3: You know you can yell out. 595 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 2: Well, let's go to sexy Land. Oh we go? 596 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: Well that was mother dearest, Yes, Mother, Simone, Susie C Susan. 597 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy it all the scolding tea that 598 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 2: she delivered to you here today. 599 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: But if you want to support my mother, come along 600 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: to a show and borrow a tea shit because she 601 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: works on commission given listening to an iHeart Australia Production 602 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: Concealed with Art Simone and Utsimone's mum. 603 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: Listen to more of what you love on iHeart and 604 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 2: check us out on the socials. 605 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: Ah, I am exhausted after finding all these interesting people 606 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: and interrogating them, so you know what, I'm going to 607 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: take a little break before I introduce you to more people. 608 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: But if you're loving Concealed with Art Simone, why don't 609 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: you go back and listen to all the episodes. They're 610 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: really good. 611 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: Anyway, we'll see you next time.