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Speaker 1: great to be with you. Good to have you in

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Speaker 2: You know, he's sick.

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Speaker 3: He's coughing and splatting and putting gems this little confined spot.

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Speaker 2: He's wearing a mask.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't believe there's a pandemic anyway, so why would

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Speaker 5: he Exactly, I've heard of this man flu but true,

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Speaker 2: You've got to tell you.

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Speaker 3: I've got to say the greatest fear in primary school

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Speaker 4: From central Please leads.

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Speaker 1: I've got to say, of all the things I was

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Speaker 2: Hark back to the days a girl gym.

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Speaker 5: Enjoyed his primary school especially year six, best four years

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Speaker 2: Life until a long time.

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Speaker 4: That's right to take a long time.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, may well, I tell you what it's

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Speaker 1: going to be an interesting morning, and not just here

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding? I can't imagine Jay doing anything that's

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Speaker 2: going to be nasty. I mean, but they're all infected

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Speaker 1: That's another one you've got to be worried about. I

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Speaker 1: hear that your hair gets very flowing and your skin

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Speaker 4: Got Trump will be absolute.

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Speaker 2: I call him orange Jesus. I think he's.

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Speaker 3: Here to save the world, save all save all of

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Speaker 4: He's just an.

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Speaker 5: Absolute rata both and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, these debates, because Joe has been so long in

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Speaker 1: Well, I would say that anybody that's not prepared to

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Speaker 3: It was very questionable where they would have debates, but

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Speaker 5: It plays into that Trump narrative around the establishment, and

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Speaker 2: And the rest of us.

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Speaker 1: That's the argument.

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Speaker 5: See the government come out and announce billions of dollars

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Speaker 3: But I think he's a sad part of what politics

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Speaker 3: But you know, I mean all this talk about Joe

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Speaker 3: And is that really what we're going to focus on

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Speaker 2: Or Donald Trump's taxes?

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Speaker 1: Well, none of us want that kind of behavior to

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Speaker 3: Know, you know, he knows who those young girls were

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Speaker 3: that were there. But you know, as soon as you

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Speaker 2: It's just too easy to sit there and say, oh,

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Speaker 3: Well, the fact is we're not voting on any of that,

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Speaker 3: I want to know more about what he actually stands for,

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Speaker 3: what he believes in, and how he thinks he's going

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Speaker 3: to deliver it, rather than looking at you know, all

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Speaker 1: We might take a very short break when I do

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Speaker 1: just want to point out that none of us can

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Speaker 1: That's standards you've got in public life exactly.

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Speaker 4: Can it just be all about your policies? It was funny.

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Speaker 5: Can I just say something, Katie in two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 5: I ran against this boke and we've got we agree

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Speaker 5: why thirteen years on we can still sit out and

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Speaker 4: A good spirit.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: You get I get sick of the muckraking.

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Speaker 5: I get sick of people attacking personally, attacking other peopeople

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Speaker 3: I think that gives me Most people and don't know

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Speaker 3: I can say about Hailey. I mean, I read some

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Speaker 3: dreadful stuff about Haley in the newspapers. I'm sure other

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Speaker 2: Knowing the guy, you both got blokes.

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Speaker 3: Knowing the guy sort of puts a different perspective on it,

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Speaker 4: I meant.

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Speaker 5: he said, you're not bad for a labor boat.

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Speaker 1: There's plenty for us to cover off this morning on

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Speaker 4: And well, the time which.

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Speaker 1: Has been really having a really close look into it

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Speaker 2: Tell you what's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 3: I'm dead keen to how highly tries to defend the indefensible.

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Speaker 2: So take it away, a big fellow.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think there's a raft of problems here and

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Speaker 4: It's the same things happened.

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Speaker 5: How it's spread through age care because where you've got

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Speaker 4: In doing this job.

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Speaker 1: No one's repeated to sort of put their hand up

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Speaker 3: From what I understand, it was an indigenous organization, so

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Speaker 1: So that's in Victoria.

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Speaker 3: now that's probably past the most stringent industrial manslaughter laws

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Speaker 3: it's unsurprising that there's people put in their hands that

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Speaker 3: the big question that everybody's waiting to see answered is

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Speaker 2: And we can sit there and we can.

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Speaker 3: Talk about, oh, was this reason that it was private

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Speaker 2: The fact is.

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Speaker 5: I was saying that it's coming out that people weren't

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Speaker 3: Shoehorned into the job this particular company Victoria.

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Speaker 5: And the question has been asked, why wasn't either the

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Speaker 5: other issues going on with curfews and shutdowns and all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just should have been.

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Speaker 1: It's an absolute debarkle, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Is.

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Speaker 3: The reason they're all duck and for cover is because

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Speaker 3: of them and it will just be interesting to see

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Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what, it's always an interesting morning

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 5: Day.

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Speaker 2: It's good.

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Speaker 3: And the first if I get an infection, you do

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Speaker 3: realize it's one A four point nine.

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Speaker 2: I haven't got any money for any medical bills.

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Speaker 5: Just on a side note, the afl NT kicks off

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Speaker 5: this weekend and of course the first game under lights

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Speaker 5: at Gardens. It's exciting it's been a long time coming.

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Speaker 5: The lights down there and a lot of debate over it,

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Speaker 5: but the mighty Parmeston Magpies go up against Wartars down

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Speaker 5: at Gardens on Friday nights be part of history. I'm

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Speaker 5: going to head along and have a look and yeah, I'll.

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Speaker 4: Enjoy that good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you both very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you again next Wednesday for the

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Speaker 1: big issues. You are listening to Mix one O four

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Speaker 1: point nine