1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro is Australia's most talked about influencer. At nineteen, 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: she made it big on social media when she shared 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: her fitness journey while pregnant. 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: This is my first blog again, so like it might 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: be a little bad. I don't know if it's going 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: to be boring or what, but hope you guys enjoy it. 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: Tammy's life is far from boring. The fitness influencer and 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: her family are Australia's answer to the Kardashians. In fact, 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: she's even been involved in a few Kardashian scandals herself. 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 3: A model explains why she had to leave Kaylie Janno's 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: Los Angeles birthday party in a stretcher. 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: By sharing her life online, Tammy has attracted over twenty 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: million followers and built an empire worth fifty million dollars. 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: What has really kept her followers glued are her romantic relationships. 15 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: Over the last ten years, the internet has borne witness 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: to three engagements, three children, one epic wedding and now 17 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: a divorce. We are journalist Sophie and Kate Talbert and 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: in this special Outspoken series, we explored the real story 19 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: behind the rise of Tammy Hembro. This is going to 20 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: be our most highly requested deep dive. Every time we 21 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: put up a question box asking who you want us 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: to discuss, Tammy Hembro is number one. There's a definite 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: fascination with her and I can see why because she 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: has lived her life so publicly for so long now, 25 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: but she's always kept it interesting for us. She's always 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: kept her followers on their toes, particularly when it comes 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: to her relationships. Oh she has now I want to 28 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: go back to the beginning. So. Tammy was born on 29 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: the twenty second of April nineteen ninety four to her parents, 30 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: Natalie Stanley and Mark Hembro. So it's pretty crazy because 31 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: her parents actually met in Trinidad Tobago back in nineteen 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: eighty nine when her dad was acting in a TV 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: show called The Last Island. So Natalie was born in 34 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: Trinidad and ended up moving back to Australia with Mark. 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: So Tammy was the youngest of her parents' three daughters. 36 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: She grew up with her sisters Amy and Emily, who 37 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: are four and two years old at rest, respectively. Tammy 38 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: has described her childhood as being simple but fun. Her 39 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: family moved around a bit but she spent most of 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: her younger years in the Curumbin Valley, which is a 41 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: really beautiful part of the Gold Coast which actually borders 42 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: with New South Wales and it used to be part 43 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: of the Southeast Queensland Rainforest. And am I surprise people 44 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: to hear? But the town that Tammy grew up in 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: had just eighty people, while only a handful of kids 46 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: went to her primary school. And Tammy said that she 47 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: was naturally a very shy kid who was a barefoot 48 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: flower child. It did surprise me that she grew up 49 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: in such a small town. She doesn't really give off 50 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: small town vibes, does show now while she was a 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: shy kid, she grew up wanting to follow in her 52 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: dad's footsteps and become an actor. So in Tammy's book 53 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: Step Up, she described her dad as being somewhat famous 54 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: in Australia. So I had to do a stalk of 55 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: Mark Hembrose Wikipedia. And he was a guest actor in 56 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: a lot of eighties and nineties TV shows that I'm 57 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: not familiar with, as well as acting in a lot 58 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: of theater productions. The one TV role I got excited 59 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: about was he was a guest singer on Mister Squiggle. 60 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: He also played Georgie Saint on fifty five episodes of 61 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: The Young Doctors in the late seventies. He was interviewed 62 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: on Matt Zakowski's podcast Hastened to That one. He you 63 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: could tell he loved talking about his acting days. Can 64 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: you say about himself? That made me that too. He 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: was very sweet. He seemed very eccentric. That's the vibe 66 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: that I got. 67 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 68 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: Well, Tammy's parents ended up getting divorced when she and 69 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: her sisters were very young, and in her book, Tammy 70 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: said her parents fought a lot, to the point where 71 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: her sisters and her don't know how they were even together. 72 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: And when her parents split, Tammy and her sisters ended 73 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: up living with their dad on a farm. So the 74 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: house they lived in was this old reception venue where 75 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: they used tables as walls and they had an outside bath. 76 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: After seeing the lifestyle that Tammy is living now, I 77 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: can't picture her living on a farm, but it is 78 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: quite nice to know these details about her childhood now. 79 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: Tammy's mum, Natalie, went on to marry a successful businesess 80 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 1: man and had four more children, ava Scarlet, Honre and Maximus, 81 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: and a lot of people have compared Natalie to Chris Jennet. 82 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: That is because there has always been this comparison that 83 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: the Hembros are Australia's answer to the Kardashian family because 84 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: there's so many sisters, so many siblings, and also because 85 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: Tammy's mom looks a bit like Chris Jenny. I mean, 86 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: there is an uncanny resemblance there. She has got the 87 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: dark hair, she definitely looks a lot like her. I 88 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: think the comparison between the Hembros and the Kardashians is 89 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: often made also because there was a crossover there, and 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: we will go into that later in this series. Now, 91 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: when Tammy was twelve, she decided to move to Singapore 92 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: to be with her mum and her stepdad and her 93 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: sisters Amy and Emily had already made the move to 94 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,239 Speaker 1: the island country, but Tammy saw out her primary schooling 95 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: in Queensland. So Tammy's life in Singapore was the complete 96 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: opposite of what she'd been living in rural Queensland. Her 97 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: stepdad was, as you said, Sophi, an extremely successful businessman 98 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: and they were living an absolute life of luxury, and 99 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: Tammy said it was unlike anything she had seen up 100 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: close before and had only seen in the movies. Why 101 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: am I getting crazy rich agents in my head? I 102 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: love that movie. We have been visiting Singapore since our 103 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: early teenage years, and it is such an incredible place. 104 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: Like you say that as if we're there all the time. 105 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: I think I've been there like five times. Five times 106 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: is quite a lot. I love in Singapore how you 107 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: can only drive a new car, so there's only new 108 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: cars on the road. You can't have an old bomb. 109 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: A lot of people are walking around in designer gear. 110 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: It's got a very rich vibe to it. In Tammy's books, 111 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: she wrote a lot about what a pivotal part her 112 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: stepdad's library played in this change. She said that reading 113 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: books about successful business people in the library made her 114 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: want to become one herself. I love the fact that 115 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: they were living in such an opulent house that they 116 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: had their own library. I think that really bates a 117 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: picture of our successful He was in business. Yeah, And 118 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: it was clear that Tammy was really motivated by this 119 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: success that she saw with her stepdad and wanted to 120 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: follow in his entrepreneurial footsteps. Knowing that she wanted to 121 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: make it big for a long time, Tammy didn't know 122 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: what she actually wanted to do. And Tammy said she 123 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: began spiraling after leaving high school and started partying and 124 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: smoking weed and she had no motivation and felt lost 125 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: and depressed. And that was until she discovered meditation, which 126 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: she said changed her. So from meditation, she turned to 127 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: yoga and became an instructor and she then found her 128 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: passion for fitness and exercise in the gym. Yeah, and 129 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: when she moved back to Australia, she ended up enrolling 130 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: in a business degree at Bond University and chose to 131 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: study business for two reasons. The first was she wanted 132 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: to follow in a step dad's footsteps, and the second 133 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: was because she didn't want to work at nine to five, 134 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: which a lot of us can relate to. While Tammy 135 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: was starting at university, this is when she started to 136 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: share fitness content on her Instagram. And this was at 137 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: a time when Instagram was really at its infancy stage. 138 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: No one was sharing content like this, and it didn't 139 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: take Tammy long to hit fifteen thousand followers on the platform, 140 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: which was a pretty substantial following back then because Instagram, 141 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: as you said, it wasn't very popular. We didn't have 142 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: heaps of influencers on it like we do now, And 143 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: in the meantime, Tammy wasn't enjoying UNI. The only class 144 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: that really made sense to her was one about entrepreneurship, 145 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: and it was in that class that she decided she 146 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: wanted to be her own boss, and she figured she 147 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: may as well make the most of the following she 148 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: had and launched a business. So at nineteen, with one 149 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: month of her studies to go, Tammy dropped out of 150 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: UNI to become an entrepreneur. I don't get this. Why 151 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: would you not just stick it out for one more month? No, 152 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: just to get the piece of paper. Yeah, because it 153 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: gives you so much credibility and something to fall back 154 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: on if things didn't go to plan. I remember hearing 155 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: that Sarah's day had I think one semester left or 156 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: half a year left of her teaching degree, and it 157 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: always surprised me that she didn't just complete it. Mmmm. 158 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 1: I know, I really don't get it either. 159 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: Now. 160 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: Life had other plans for Tammy, though. Just as she 161 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: started working on her business idea, she accidentally fell pregnant 162 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: with her first son, Wolf. She was just nineteen at 163 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: the time, and was told her life was ruined. That's terrible. 164 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: It is as a message to tell someone who has 165 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: fallen pregnant unexpectedly so young. Well, she really showed everyone, 166 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: didn't She Now her baby daddy was Reese Hawkins, a 167 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: guy Tammy had been dating for only a few months. 168 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: In a YouTube Q and A in twenty sixteen, this 169 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: is what Tammy said about her timeline with Reese. How 170 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: long have me and Race been together? 171 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: We've been together like three years? Well longer than three years. Wait, 172 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 3: how's Wolf? We weren't together for that long before we 173 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: found out we're pregnant with Wolf. Actually probably just like 174 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 3: a couple of months. That sounds so bad, but we 175 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: were actually like so in love, like we knew we 176 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: wanted to be together forever anyway already. Like I'm pretty 177 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: sure Reese told me he was in love with me 178 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 3: like a week after we met, and I didn't say 179 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: it back, And I'm kidding I did. 180 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: I loved watching this whole Q and A, the way 181 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: she spoke about Reese. It was so funny watching about 182 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: knowing what we all know now, just seeing how young 183 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: and in love they actually were at the time. It 184 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: sounds very old school because they actually met at a bar, 185 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: which obviously everyone seemed to meet on the apps or 186 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: by sliding into DMS now and Tammy said it was 187 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: love at first sight. He's more of what she said 188 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: about that encounter. 189 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: We first met at a bar. I was actually pretty intoxicated, 190 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: not gonna lie. I was with a couple of girlfriends 191 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: and our friends were friends with his friends. When I 192 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: first saw him, I went up to him and I 193 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: grabbed his face, and I was like, you are so beautiful, 194 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: because he was literally like the most beautiful man I 195 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 3: ever saw. So it was kind of love at first sight. 196 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: I didn't honestly, I didn't remember the full night like 197 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: all that clearly. But the next weekend I was going 198 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: to a friend's party. He was actually like really good 199 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: friends with the guy who was having the party, so 200 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: he was there as well, which was just such a coincidence, 201 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: and we just talked on night. We hung out together 202 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: that whole night time at the party. We fell in 203 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: love from there. We were just inseparable. He was obsessed 204 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: with me, like he was not gonna lie, pretty obsessed 205 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 3: with me. But I was obsessed with him too. 206 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: So I love that she grabbed his face and said 207 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: he was a beautiful man. Because she's right, he is 208 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: a stunning looking man, say aesthetically a beautiful man. Well. 209 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: As for finding out she was pregnant with Wolf, Tammy 210 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: said that she and Reese were both in shock. According 211 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: to Tammy, she couldn't speak and Reese looked like he 212 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: was about to pass out. Once they did get over 213 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: the initial shock, though, they said that they were both 214 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: very excited now. When it came to choosing the now 215 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: infamous name, Tammy said. 216 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: This, what made you name wolf? 217 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: Wolf? We were in the car one day and I 218 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: just remember throwing it out, was like wolf, and I 219 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 3: think Reese was like at first, like I don't think so, 220 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 3: but then it grew on him and he was like, yeah. 221 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 3: We had a few other names as well, but all 222 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 3: the names that I liked were like really out there. 223 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 3: A wolf was one we chose. 224 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: I want to know what these other names were, because 225 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: for me, particularly ten years ago or over ten years ago, 226 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: wolf would have been pretty out Yeah. The other names 227 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: must have been are really out there now if you 228 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: do cast him mind. Back to twenty twenty two, Kylie 229 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: Jenner and Travis Scott originally named their son Wolf, but 230 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: later changed his name to Air, and almost two months 231 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: after giving birth, Kylie wrote on her Instagram story, FYI, 232 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: our son's name isn't Wolf anymore. We just really didn't 233 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: feel like it was him. Just wanted to share because 234 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: I keep seeing Wolf everywhere. It's rumored that Kylie changed 235 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: the name because of Tammy. We will go into Tammy's 236 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: connection to the Kardashians a little bit later, but from 237 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: a top level. Kylie and Tammy became friends after she 238 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: modeled for Chloe's brand Good American, and Tammy was infamously 239 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: stretched out of Kylie's twenty first birthday party and was 240 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: also linked to Kylie's ex Tiger, So it is likely 241 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: that Kylie was well aware of Tammy's son's name, and 242 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: just hours after Kylie went public with her son's name, 243 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: Tammy shared a photo of her and her son Wolf 244 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: with the caption Wolfe's mum. At the time, Tammy was 245 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: also pregnant with her third child, Posey, and she had 246 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people trying to guess her unborn child's name. 247 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: Tammy responded to one of the name guesses on TikTok 248 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: with the comment, actually like the name Stormy. At the moment. 249 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: Stormy Now is, of course the name of Kylie's first child. 250 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: I absolutely love the pettiness of influencer and celebrity baby 251 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: names because it's the biggest fuck you if you copy 252 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: someone's name. But in the real world it would be 253 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: taken as quite a compliment if you like someone's name. 254 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. 255 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: I think there would still be people that would be annoyed, 256 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: particularly if you had had a run in with that person. 257 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: But I think the influencers are just trying so hard 258 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: to be unique. Yeah, there is an element of that too. 259 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: Now back to nineteen year old Tammy. After dropping out 260 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: of UNI, she found herself pregnant and working as a 261 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: telemarketer selling solar panels while she worked on her business idea. 262 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: And Tammy said that the job sucked and she would 263 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: cry after shifts because people would hang up on her. 264 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if you were someone that got a 265 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: call from Tammy herbroke Why do I feel like she 266 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't be that good on the phone. I feel like 267 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: she would grumble in that situation. I think anyone would. 268 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like a fun job. No, Well, she 269 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: ended up leaving that job to work in a clothing store, 270 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: but she said that she was barely making ends meet 271 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: and the highlight of her day was posting about the gym, 272 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: so she went five times a week even while she 273 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: was pregnant. And while most people love that she was young, pregnant, 274 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: and positive, Tammy also copped criticism online for working out 275 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: while she was pregnant. She was even told that her 276 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: body wouldn't be the same after she had a baby, 277 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: so she couldn't be a fitness guru. I'm really feeling 278 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: for nineteen year old Tammy here. It seems like she 279 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: is facing some very unfair judgment and criticism now. In 280 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: her book, Tammy said that when people tell her she 281 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: can't do something, it gives her more motivation. So it 282 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: seemed like this really made her more determined to prove 283 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: the naysayers wrong, and she forged ahead with the idea 284 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: of her own business. And ironically, Tammy's following skyrocketed when 285 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: she started sharing about her pregnancy and motherhood alongside fitness Now. 286 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: The goal was to save enough money to launch her 287 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: business idea, a fitness ebook called Tammy Fit, and she 288 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: was motivated to launch an e book because her gym 289 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: post got so many likes that she figured a workout 290 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: guide was the perfect business idea. The initial outlay was 291 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: four hundred dollars for someone to illustrate the exercises in 292 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: the PDF, so once she saved the money, she quit 293 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: her job in retail and focused on tammy Fit full time. Now. 294 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: The launch of tammy Fit coincided with another massive milestone 295 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: for Tammy, the birth of her first child, so Wolfe 296 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: was born via an emergency C section. Tammy did plan 297 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: on having a vaginal birth without medical intervention, but said 298 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: it didn't take long for her to be rolling on 299 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: the floor in pain, begging for an epidural, but instead 300 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: the best of us, doesn't it now. Unfortunately, a Wolf's 301 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: heartbeat was elevated and he was in distress, so they 302 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: opted for the emergency C section. I feel like Tammy 303 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: was really clever and strategic about the release date because 304 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: almost immediately after the birth of wolf that's when she 305 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: launched her fitness ebook, and that is when so many 306 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: eyeballs would have been on her page because so many 307 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: people were so interested in this young mum who was 308 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: having her first child at nineteen. I mean, yes, it 309 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: was a strategic move in the sense that people would 310 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: buy it, but it was really difficult for her personally 311 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: because it was such a double whammy for her. She 312 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: was dealing with being a first time mum and also 313 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: a first time business owner, so in between looking after 314 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: her newborn son, Wolf, Tammy sent out the PDFs herself. 315 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: She also started earning money from Instagram promotions, and she 316 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: saved all the money she earned from the PDFs and 317 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: her Instagram promos and put it all back into her 318 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: her business. So she decided to take her PDF guides 319 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: to the next level and launched an app. At the time, 320 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: no one else was doing fitness apps, and Tammy did 321 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: what her stepdad taught her capitalize, reinvest, and grow, so 322 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: all the money she earned was invested straight back into 323 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: the Tammy Fit app. We now know that app has 324 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: been downloaded over one point seven million times. It's pretty 325 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: remarkable and I don't think enough people give Tammy Hembro 326 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: credit over her business brain and just how she was 327 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: able to grow something from nothing. 328 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 329 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: Well, the accolades did begin rolling in for Tammy Hembro 330 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: and critics started calling her an overnight success. But before 331 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: she even had the chance to revel in her success, 332 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: life threw another challenge at her at twenty one, she 333 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: became pregnant with her second child, sas Gear, when Wolf 334 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: was just six months old. She also now had a 335 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: million dollar business to look after. Whilst this would be challenging, 336 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: I think it also worked really well for her Instagram 337 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: because people were excited that there was another pregnancy that 338 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 1: they could follow along with. I mean, it's a bit 339 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: confusing whether this pregnancy was planned or not, because in 340 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: Tammy's book she acted as if falling pregnant a second 341 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: time wasn't planned. But in a Q and A back 342 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, she said this and. 343 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 3: Saskia was planned. We were like, let's just get another 344 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 3: one out of the way, so then we'll has a 345 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 3: little friend to play with. I didn't realize how hard 346 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 3: it would actually be, but is so. I'm glad we 347 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 3: had both of them and the most beautiful, amazing thing 348 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 3: that's ever happened to us. 349 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: I feel like Tammy would have said that Saski was 350 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: planned due to a lot of judgment online and oh 351 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,719 Speaker 1: this is a mistake. Oh they haven't been together for 352 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: very long. Yeah, exactly. She probably felt like she needed 353 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: to defend it, and now years later she can say, actually, 354 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't a planned thing. Now. Tammy wanted to try 355 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: a vaginal birth with Saskia, but by the end of 356 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: her pregnancy she discovered she had a condition which created 357 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: extra amnionic fluid around the baby, so she was advised 358 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: to have another C section. Saskia was born at thirty 359 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: seven weeks and five days, and the post birth recovery 360 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: was really tough on Tammy. Her scarcely open and she 361 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: had to have it dressed and packed every day for 362 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: a month. Looking back at an old blog from this time, 363 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: I was really shocked to discover the whole Saskia was 364 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: a month old, her dad, Reese Hawkins, went on a 365 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: boy's trip to Bali. Keep in mind Tammy was still 366 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: having to get her scar dressed daily, and at this 367 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: point she also had a toddler to look after. So 368 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: Red Flagg got a good move, and knowing what I 369 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: know now, it is clear that things were becoming rocky 370 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: between the pair. As a viewer, it appeared like Tammy 371 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: was doing everything while he was doing the absolute bare minimum. Yeah, 372 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: in one blog I saw he was complaining about how 373 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: tired he was, Yet Tammy had been the one getting 374 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: up and doing all of the feeding with a newborn 375 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: without any help. In Tammy's book, she opened up about 376 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: this and wrote, my partner was busy when the babies 377 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: were born, so it was all down to me. I 378 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: was determined to do it all by myself, which again 379 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: highlights to me how remarkable this woman is. She's nineteen 380 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: and twenty one and she's running a business whilst looking 381 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: after two very young kids. Rather than slowing down, Tammy 382 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: did the complete opposite. So, with two children under two 383 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: and a million dollar business to run, Tammy decided to 384 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: launch an active wear brand, Saskia Collection, named after her 385 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: newborn daughter. A lot of people thought she was taking 386 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: on too much, but for Tammy, it was a move 387 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: that felt right. She's very smart. She knew that she 388 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: had to strike while the iron's hot. She has a 389 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: newborn daughter, there's a lot of interest around her. Let's 390 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: launch an active wear brand named after the daughter, who 391 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: has a unique name. 392 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: It is genius. 393 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: It was a smart move because she had a lot 394 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: of brands who wanted to sponsor her, and she was 395 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: having to wear these brands on her Instagram even though 396 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: she didn't actually like any of the clothes and For Tammy, 397 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: she had started her own business so she didn't have 398 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: to do what people told her to do, and she 399 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: was starting to I feel like she had a boss 400 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: telling her what to wear and when to wear it, 401 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: and she didn't like it, so she's like, I just 402 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: want to make my own clothing line. That's interesting because Kayla, 403 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: it'ds seen, has had a similar philosophy where she didn't 404 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: want to have so many sponsored posts on her Instagram. 405 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: She wanted to have her own app and her own 406 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: brand so that she didn't have to rely on it. 407 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: And Kayla has been someone even though she doesn't have 408 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: her own active wear brand, who has just worn whatever 409 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: whatever she likes, not because she's getting paid to do so. Hmmm. Well, 410 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: with Tammy, it got to the point where she couldn't 411 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: physically do it all anymore with her two businesses, and 412 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: finally she asked for some help and that came in 413 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: the form of her older sister Amy working with her 414 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: at sask A Collection. And at the time, sadly, Tammy 415 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: felt like she couldn't trust outsiders because she had people 416 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: trying to leach off her. There'd be so many people 417 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: trying to grow a following off the back of her 418 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: and potentially also people spreading rumors about her and her 419 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: relationship if they got into deep Yeah, exactly, and with 420 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: Amy being her sister, she felt like she could trust her, 421 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: plus she actually had her own business experience. Unfortunately, though, 422 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: it didn't take long for things to deteriorate between the sisters, 423 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: so Tammy and Amy began having constant arguments about the 424 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: direction of the business, and Tammy felt like Amy wouldn't 425 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: listen to her or respect that she was the boss. Oh, 426 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: we've all been there before, haven't we running businesses with sisters. 427 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: It's a very interesting dynamic because I feel like everyone 428 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: wants to be the boss, and it would be difficult 429 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: having your younger sister telling you what to do. It's 430 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: particularly difficult when you're all the same age and you'll 431 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: want to be the boss's well or. Tammy actually ended 432 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: up firing Amy from her role as general manager of 433 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: Saskia Collection. It's just something that we would do, and 434 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: Tammy says their relationship improved as soon as they stopped 435 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: working together. Is that a bit of a sign? Okay, no, 436 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: we will still be working together. Funnily enough, Amy is 437 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: now the general manager of Tammy fit and Tammy says 438 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: Amy was instrumental in her business's success, so maybe it 439 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: was just the wrong business model. Yeah, And in an 440 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: interview she said she wouldn't have been able to do 441 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: it without Amy. Lovely Now. In her book, Tammy revealed 442 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: that relationships are the most important thing to her, but 443 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: it also her Achilles heel, which I think we can 444 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: all probably agree upon. She said she was struggling to 445 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: juggle her business and personal life and then everything came 446 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: tumbling down. After four years, two children, and a pear 447 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: shaped engagement ring, Tammy broke up with Reese Hawkins in 448 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: June twenty eighteen, and in her book, Tammy explained it 449 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: got to the point where every time she spoke to 450 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: Reese things fell further apart. 451 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: Of course, there's love there and kids involved too, so 452 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: you try again and again as hard as you can 453 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: to make it work until it doesn't. For a long time, 454 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 2: feeling guilty about the inevitable fallout stopped me from taking 455 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: the action I knew my partner and I needed. When 456 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 2: things don't work out, many people find it hard not 457 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: to blame themselves, and sure, I'm all for a ability, 458 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 2: but in these situations. It's not really your fault or 459 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: the other person's fault either. It's the relationship. The relationship failed, 460 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: not you, not one, not the other, but your combination. 461 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: Now Tammy said it took everything within her to see 462 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: it as a failed relationship rather than a failed Tammy 463 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: and to keep going. She said she felt intense guilt, 464 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: which made her want to become a supermum. She wrote, 465 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: I told myself I had to do it all to 466 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: be at all. There's no mother guilt like broken relationship, 467 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: mother guilt and desperation that your kids won't be sad 468 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: because of it. In her book, Tammy didn't refer to 469 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: Reese by his name, but instead called him Wolf and 470 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: Saskia's dad. And in recent years she's tried to be 471 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: really respectful of Reese and the role that he plays 472 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: in his kids lives because she's really aware that anything 473 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: she says about him in the media, her kids can 474 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: go and read. Yeah. She has put a lot of 475 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: effort into her co parenting relationship with Reese Hawkins. Now. 476 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: Tammy revealed that breaking up with Reese was the hardest 477 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: thing she's ever gone through as a child of divorce parents. 478 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: She hated the idea of becoming a single mum, and 479 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: she had been so determined to make things work, but 480 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: in the end, she said that they were young, and 481 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: people change. 482 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: We grew in opposite directions. What do you do when 483 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: your home life isn't the happy dream your heart chose 484 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: for you? Do you stay together for the kids? The 485 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: longer we stayed together, the more unhappy our home became, 486 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 2: and I didn't want to want my kid's idea of 487 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: what a healthy relationship looks like. In the end, it 488 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: was a straightforward decision. Do what was best for my 489 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 2: home and my children, do what was best for us all. 490 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: No one can underestimate how huge this breakup was on 491 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: social media. As you touched on Kate, we'd had this 492 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: perfect engagement with the pear shaped ring, which a lot 493 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: of people have focused on in years to come because 494 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: people liked to compare her different engagement rings. But they 495 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: really did hold up this idea that they were the 496 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: perfect young couple. Everyone thought, Wow, I want to be 497 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: a young mom and dad like Reese and Tammy, and 498 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: then that illusion seemed to be shattered when they broke up. Yeah, 499 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: and this is the point where everyone became utterly obsessed 500 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: with Tammy Hembro's love life because we met her as 501 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: a young pregnant woman who had a partner, this doting 502 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: partner he was painted online to be, and suddenly there 503 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: were cracks in this perfect image. Yeah, and whilst we 504 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: have touched on the fact that Tammy has been very 505 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: respectful and a great co parent in the years to come, 506 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: when things were fresh after this breakup, there was a 507 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: lot of animosity between the pair and there was a 508 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: bit of slinging publicly online, which we will get into 509 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: in next week's episode, because that is where we are 510 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: going to. 511 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 2: Leave you today. 512 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: Next time we will be diving deep into the aftermath 513 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: of Tammy and Reese's breakup. While the couple vowed to 514 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: remain civil for their children, it didn't take long for 515 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: a slinging match to erupt as new partners entered the picture, 516 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: and in the midst of it all, Tammy Hembro made 517 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: Internet national headlines for all the wrong reasons. Thank you 518 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: again for listening to Outspoken. This podcast was recorded on 519 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: the traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. 520 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: We pay respect to elders past and present