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Speaker 1: Podcast Unite Our Voices, Quick Heads Up.

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Speaker 2: This podcast can sometimes get a bit rough on bros

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Speaker 2: and cons. We talk about real life and we're committed

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Speaker 2: to having open conversations with no filter. Some experiences and

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Speaker 2: tastes can be challenging to digest, So if you're easily reddled,

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Speaker 2: you probably want to see this one out. Listen to

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Speaker 2: Lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen or thirteen Young on one

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Speaker 2: Thing nine two seven six for Aboriginal or Tory straight Islanders.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get it this game. Some sack we

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Speaker 3: know him. You know he came out with a tummy gun.

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Speaker 3: You know those old school with the drug you remember saying

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Speaker 3: what's up to? Like I'll see someone's with someone tattooed.

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Speaker 3: I was like, hey, what's up and they'd be like,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, Dan, it's different. There's a lot of

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Speaker 3: things going on and I don't want to say things

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Speaker 3: that well jeopard as you guess show or myself. It's

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Speaker 3: just more like it's say whatever, we say whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're pretty I'm not sure surprised we haven't canceled

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Speaker 2: this far. We're back on the episode of Bros. And come.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do a few testers first. We've got another

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Speaker 1: flavor of today. It's been getting hot. Lame, you say.

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Speaker 1: I chose the blueberry lemonade and the boys chose otherwise.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna do a little testing quick before we start.

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Speaker 1: I got a special shout out for two of our fans,

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Speaker 1: the winners. Let me just quickly read them out. So

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Speaker 1: I've got a special shout out to Millie my tonguey Brown.

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Speaker 2: Just for having that name. Bro.

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Speaker 1: She wanted to shout out anyone, she said, shout out

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Speaker 1: to herself, so good on here, shout to us, shadow

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Speaker 1: to yourself. That's the best way to go.

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Speaker 2: Who's the other one?

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Speaker 1: The other one said? There was a lady that she

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Speaker 1: chose to shout out to her siblings. I don't have

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Speaker 1: her name here, but here i've got her siblings name.

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Speaker 1: We got Redla, Faith, Seal and Jane. Well, that is

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Speaker 1: your siblings, and shout out to his siblings. She did

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Speaker 1: mention in this comment that her siblings has been there

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Speaker 1: for her and the kids this whole time. Said, this

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Speaker 1: is a special woman. Expect that's it. Let's give it

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Speaker 1: a taste. Guest that we're gonna announce in the next Yeah, you.

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Speaker 2: Guys, guys, today, we've got a very special guest to myself.

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Speaker 2: He is very much been a part of my family

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Speaker 2: life as well. He's he's the uncle of my partner

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Speaker 2: Simone grew up in anyways, I let him go through

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Speaker 2: all of his upbrings. I don't want to take that

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Speaker 2: and shine. But guys, here is Sam, Uncle Sam, Tom

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Speaker 2: and Sam. Yeah, this is cool. Right before we get

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Speaker 2: into the story. Uh, let's try this out. Sam, let's

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Speaker 2: try these oxy sheds. Tell us what the taste of

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Speaker 2: the West Sydney.

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Speaker 4: I've got Strawberry Sunrise. I think I've tasted this one already.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but I've been tasting a lot of

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Speaker 4: oxes that have been like punching me with all these deliveries,

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Speaker 4: and I've just been spamming all of them.

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Speaker 3: Bo.

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Speaker 2: It tastes exactly how we tasted last time. Beautiful. I

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Speaker 2: don't know why I got the same flavor, but beautiful, mate, beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Lemons the best you see me Right now, it's starting

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Speaker 1: to get hot. I think someone is going to look bad.

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Speaker 1: We're still springing. It's already getting hot.

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Speaker 2: You lose energy in the heat, brother, you need some energy?

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Sam?

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Speaker 3: Wow, it's beautiful right here.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, this is good.

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Speaker 3: Said.

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Speaker 1: We'll start off with let's get to know Sam. This

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Speaker 1: is a special guest that we have on. He's from America. Sam,

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Speaker 1: just by audience, can you tell us a bit about

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Speaker 1: your background where you're from.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, my name is Sam and I was raised

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Speaker 3: in Santa Anna, California. That's southern California in Orange County.

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Speaker 3: It's a drug and gang infested area. I mean growing

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Speaker 3: up in the nineties. Uh, you get caught up with

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Speaker 3: now I wouldn't want them to go through what I've

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Speaker 1: What's your what's your background?

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Speaker 2: You just someone?

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Speaker 3: I'm Simon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Both of my parents are from Somemoe. Yeah you know

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Speaker 3: where from in some more My father is from Aleia

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Speaker 2: From shout Out to the village as well.

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Speaker 1: I've noticed you said in the nineties for those of

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Speaker 1: you guys here, what's before we had another American like

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Speaker 1: How it was very, very bad. Was that the case everywhere?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the nineties in general in California, gang banging was

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Speaker 3: East Paliotto, how you guys mentioned them. I do remember,

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Speaker 3: like like in the early nineties, like ninety one, it

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Speaker 3: was like the murder capital of California. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 3: he was in America. Yeah, around ninety two. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and during that time, gang banging was like at its peak.

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Speaker 3: Snoop Dogg's album dropped in ninety three. Park was ninety

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Speaker 3: five where he passed away. So during that time there

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Speaker 3: was a lot the streets were really hot.

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Speaker 2: So you think that the you reckon that the music

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Speaker 2: had like and a great influence in the nineties. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the crime, the rising of the crime there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe. So yeah, I mean life was impeachings

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Speaker 3: and cream for me. I mean I was influenced by

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Speaker 3: the music. It makesic go do things that are up

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Speaker 3: to no good. Yeah, And there's only two places that

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Speaker 3: you end up following that track, and that's either in

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Speaker 3: jail or you did. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: How was how was your living conditions back then? Did

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Speaker 4: you were you living with your your parents and siblings

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Speaker 4: or were you guys separated from each other.

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Speaker 3: Just like you guys. I had five brothers, one sister,

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Speaker 3: my grandparents, my parents, we all lived in a two

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Speaker 3: Mexican gang back well back in those days. It's a

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Speaker 3: very big Mexican gang. Now from the forties dramatics and.

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Speaker 2: What they were, like they've taken over the block or.

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Speaker 3: The whole hood was I think it's like one of

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Speaker 3: the biggest gangs in Orange County with Baby Blue Rag.

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Speaker 3: It's a Chicano gang. So yeah, that's where my influence

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Speaker 3: comes from because a lot of my homies there. I

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Speaker 3: wasn't raised around black people. Yeah, I've never met any

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Speaker 3: brothers that's how they call them, you know, African Americans.

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Speaker 3: So the environment that I grew up with was Liken Mexican. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. So just think about blood

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Speaker 3: and blood out. Yeah, I really like that crazy. Wow.

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Speaker 2: So was it any like, uh did Rachel did did

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Speaker 2: wars there? Would you say?

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Speaker 3: No? In Orange County it was basically uh essays versus essays.

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Speaker 1: Oh, well, the races. Oh yeah, get what you mean

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Speaker 1: for a second or what he said, it will be essays.

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Speaker 3: Something similar like that.

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Speaker 1: Ah man, that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: That's short for us, like like the essays they about

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Speaker 3: to roll back around. You know, so majority of the

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Speaker 3: people around were actually Hispanics. You know, when you go

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Speaker 3: in school, like if you fail out applications back then,

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Speaker 3: they will say English or Spanish, like you know when

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Speaker 1: And you've been of someone background. Is that like was

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Speaker 3: Not really, we're always different because you know in elementary school,

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Speaker 3: You know that means monkey and chung means harry monkey

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Speaker 4: Yeah, speaking speaking of your your heart and your white

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Speaker 4: and yeah, seeing that you were so different, did you

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Speaker 2: Bullied for that? No?

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Speaker 3: I mean I mean when you're bigger.

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Speaker 3: Four older brothers, so like, uh, we we held it down,

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Speaker 3: It was just more that we knew we were different.

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Speaker 3: Like everyone else got to go play outside after when

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Speaker 3: mean so a lot of my friends that be like damn,

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Speaker 3: they don't understand the the culture and my parents sit

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Speaker 3: he's like yeah, he's a he's a straight so someone

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Speaker 3: and my dad he ain't small. He's like six three,

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Speaker 3: like well yeah, that's some of my friends used to

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Speaker 3: call him baby King Kong. So I mean that's how

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Speaker 3: just lining us up, and he was like, you might

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Speaker 2: Do you think, I know, like in the in the

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Speaker 2: I'm doing this out of love.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think My dad never explained himselves.

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Speaker 3: I think that was one thing about his parenting skills

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Speaker 3: that I I tried to understand. But you got to

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Speaker 3: realize that he'd been through a different side of trauma

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Speaker 3: that I never understood, not until I got older, and

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Speaker 3: all he knew. I mean his dad taught him that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and he passed it down onto onto me. But like

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Speaker 3: I have two sons of my own, but I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: even I actually never laid my hands on them. I

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Speaker 3: knew that that generation needs to stop. You know, nothing

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Speaker 2: Baby King Kong's watching Isabelle, He's.

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Speaker 3: Watching from Heaving too.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, seeing seeing as you were exposed to

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Speaker 4: all these great great crime and gain violence. Being exposed

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Speaker 4: to it's pretty hard to throw up as a as

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Speaker 4: a good moral person. Would you say, did that kind

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Speaker 4: of impact. The way you grew up like you and

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Speaker 4: your brothers, the way you probably have to like stand

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Speaker 4: in your toes every time you leave the house.

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Speaker 3: It's I think it's different because my journey in life

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Speaker 3: has taken a different path. But you know, I know

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Speaker 3: that some more brothers they're really struggling or coming in.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that they're like still stuck in it,

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Speaker 3: but I know that, you know, they need a better

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Speaker 3: understanding of life or it's their environment. It took me

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, we come from warrior instincts. So

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Speaker 3: But also in America, like I've been through different penitentiaries

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Speaker 3: all the Islanders. The Simon's tongue ins Beijians, Native American, Indians, Chinese, Laus, Cambodian,

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Speaker 3: I ain't saying we run it. I mean, but majority

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Speaker 3: Uh, Sudaniel means Southern California. The Mexicans from Southern California

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Speaker 3: I know that I've been text you know what tex is?

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Speaker 3: Tex is a they you some of those some of

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Speaker 3: the like the Leaneo prison. Like I remember I was

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Speaker 1: What's he can't play?

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Speaker 3: Can't be playing with another race?

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Speaker 3: Those are kids I grew up with from kindergarten, you

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Speaker 1: Say you would have different races that you were familiar with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we don't deal with the Essays the Mexicans

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Speaker 3: We're in the woke era, so yeah, the terror to

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Speaker 2: Walk us through those those prison politics. What are like,

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Speaker 3: The less you know, the longer you live. Yeah, trying

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Speaker 3: not to deal with what they'll break it down to you.

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Speaker 3: Like for instance, when I first went in there, I

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, look see right there. You know, we got

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Speaker 3: This is back in the nineties, ninety six, ninety seven,

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Speaker 3: eight nine, Back during that time, there were different politics.

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Speaker 3: was very surrogated. We couldn't be dealing with the other races. However,

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Speaker 3: You got the Blood Brothers, which is just African Americans

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Speaker 3: So we played basketball with them, We played dominos with

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Speaker 3: the lowrider Nazis, so they're the white dudes. And then

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Speaker 3: you got three different cards. With the white dudes. You

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Speaker 3: and then you have like the Aryan Brotherhood and then

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I've seen a documentary, bro.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is that what that movie was based on? That movie? When,

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Speaker 2: because that's where I got the Woods from. There's that

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Speaker 3: Yes, they're they're everywhere, like, but you don't deal with

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Speaker 3: you know, and he was saying, yeah, I want to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so a ball will contain like heron like heroin needles.

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Speaker 3: this guy had a lot to say about he's getting

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Speaker 3: The trustees, the guys that were mopping, they killed him.

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Speaker 3: That's why the joke bro Well, next case, I know

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Speaker 1: It may be it would definitely be different now, just

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Speaker 2: Ah, yeah we get a lot of the high yeah yeah,

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Speaker 3: You know, they can look up.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm assuming the Orlanders, you guys would have wouldn't

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Speaker 3: This now we didn't. There was a real Chino prison

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Speaker 3: during that time. I remember in nineteen ninety five they

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Speaker 1: Why they don't that's what they do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they really limited. What do you think

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Speaker 3: Says? I think there was like thirteen of them, and

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Speaker 3: they would make pruno, you know, alcohol, So they don't

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Speaker 2: Yea, So alcohol and Islanders is the world.

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Speaker 3: But it's not a good thing, not a good thing

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Speaker 1: I remember they do it, they do it, yeah, pretty

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Speaker 1: much the homebrew. No, the Island there's like there's always

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Speaker 3: That's what happened with me.

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Speaker 1: That that's what happened on our first together for a day.

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Speaker 1: I remember us just playing in the yard. Excuse looking

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Speaker 2: They like running on the truck one of these And

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Speaker 3: And one of them was my cell mate. Wow, my

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Speaker 3: He always brings it up to I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: Let us hear it one more time. Well, I was

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Speaker 3: and jumped down and went crawling up in the patio,

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00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 3: got in there under the table, I grabbed like I

435
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: think it was like ten or twenty grand and I

436
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 3: got greedy and I went for another break and this

437
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: guy named some Sack, we know him, you know. He

438
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: came out with a Tommy gun. You know, those old

439
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 3: school with the drugs. There's a lot of those out

440
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: there on the streets of La So, yeah, he came

441
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: and he pistoled with me like and I must have

442
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: passed out, but I woke up and I was tight

443
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: up and I was They dragged me into the trunk

444
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 3: no way. Yeah, I was just praying to Jesus. I

445
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 3: was like please Lord, and I was just like like,

446
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: you know, just crying my eyes off. Yeah, and I

447
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 3: think the car went around the corner and they got

448
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: in the car accident, and the trunk opened up and

449
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 3: it was my brother. He had a three fifty seven

450
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: and then he was shooting. He was like, hurry up, nigga,

451
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 3: get out of the corpod. Well, he dragged me out

452
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: and while we were running, we got to my house

453
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 3: and he threw me against the wall. He was like,

454
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: where's the money?

455
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: Who's the money.

456
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: He saved? You to find the money out?

457
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 3: And like I asked him, like years later, like we

458
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 3: just forgot about it because those the Cambodians, they came

459
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: the next day in their little uh fast and furious

460
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 3: little toy cars. Oh yeah, and this is back in

461
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: like ninety four and they were like, I better not

462
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: find you in from the house again. I was like, whatever, man,

463
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 3: And I asked my brother. I said, dude, man, how

464
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 3: do you know that they had me gaffled up? And

465
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: he said, man, I saw you a little bit as

466
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: under from the fence, so I followed you. You get

467
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: pistol crying a little bit. That's when he went and

468
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 3: had a still the neighbor's car to crash into their car.

469
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, yeah, maybe that was me.

470
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 2: I would have bring it up to them for the

471
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 2: rest of my life.

472
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: But what a story, man, that's crazyly five years later

473
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: than me and him, I sharing itself.

474
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys would have had a mad young and

475
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: they're like mad not stalking.

476
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: The guards will always complain knock it off because I

477
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: always want to do the wrap the hands of boxing. Yeah,

478
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: you know, play play fight. He'd be doing it for reals.

479
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: But you know, I let him go because he's the

480
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: older brother.

481
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: You know.

482
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I remember that was the last time I

483
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: actually I still haven't met him physical since nineteen ninety seven,

484
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: sin since then. Yeah, well, so what happened? Did you

485
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 3: get released? No, he he got transferred doing he was

486
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 3: doing it like nine years. He went to Ironwood, to

487
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: this maximum security level of three four yard near in Blyfe,

488
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: somewhere near Arizona. And then they shipped me up north

489
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks later.

490
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: And where was your other brothers during that time? Are

491
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: they still inside or are they all out?

492
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: Well, the year before my other brother passed away, like

493
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: he died in my arms. I'll just overpast that because

494
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: I don't know. He has four sons, one of them

495
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: was in the army, So so there was a lot

496
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: of trauma going on, like the life was embedded in

497
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: our hearts, like yeah, okay, you know if you yeah, yeah,

498
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: it kind of shifts you.

499
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, it's sort of similar to how we

500
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: we didn't lose our older brother, but he went into prison,

501
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: and it's like our brother, Our brotherhood sort of just crashed.

502
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: We didn't know what to do.

503
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: That's why I look at you guys, and I'm like, damn, man,

504
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: it would have been cool if I would have had

505
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: like two of them are going to be with the Lord.

506
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: But like, uh, I think that crippled a lot of us,

507
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: Like in a way it did, I believe.

508
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: So there's this thing about there's this thing about having

509
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: a brotherhood, and I don't think any friendship is as

510
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: true as you have with your brothers. And I feel

511
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: like it kind of compels a lot, a lot of

512
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: passion if something like that tragic happens, it definitely, uh,

513
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: it definitely compels you to like feel like you need

514
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: to prove something or do something for them. Man powerful, powerful,

515
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: man powerful.

516
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: No, And maybe it made all of us do more

517
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: gangs sister, Like during that time when we were somewhere else,

518
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: my other brother was serving like six years at Longpark,

519
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: like where Shug Night was at. So we're everywhere, but

520
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: that brother of minds, I was in Lompark. He shot

521
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: me a kite when I was at San Pedro, and

522
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: I read the kite and it says, why you keep

523
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: getting taxed by the usuls.

524
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: So the kite, it's like a note, yeah okay.

525
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: And it'll be like real tiny, so like you'll write

526
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: it and they'll be passed on people getting transferred from

527
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 3: one prison to another. They'll get to you. But I

528
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: remember it say stop playing cards with your homies, like

529
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: you know, but you know it's it's my homies. You know.

530
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up like they were joking or were

531
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: they like was this actually politics?

532
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: My brother, because my brother I think he was shot

533
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: calling at that area, but he was letting me know,

534
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 3: a you need to stop playing cards with the Essays.

535
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: And it was kind of hard because even the Essays

536
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: was like, hey, man, we got your back home for city.

537
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: I was like, I know, man, but still I got

538
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: to be with my people's. Man, would it.

539
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: Be fair to say that you kind of like you

540
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: wanted to stand against the grain and against all of

541
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: the politics that were existing at that time just for

542
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: what you believed, you know, was was fair.

543
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: Those times where I wanted to run with the Essays anyways,

544
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: because I knew them more than you grew up with them. Yeah,

545
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: Like and they were deep, they were they're they're running

546
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: I think every prison in Yeah, well the suit Aniels.

547
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 3: They're very different.

548
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they owned every single documentary you can see.

549
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, the cylinders, and like I didn't want to run

550
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: with them because they were like the strongest. It was

551
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: more like because.

552
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: I knew them as you should, bro as you.

553
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: Should tell us about that feeling of you told us

554
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: that last time you seen your brother when you left prison.

555
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: I can remember from one time my last day seeing

556
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: this guy that was very hopeful for me, like I

557
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: had that teacher staying in my head for years, and

558
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: he tell us about your experience that last day. You

559
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: know he's the last day you're going to see him.

560
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 5: It was just quiet and you don't want to see

561
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 5: you don't want to say anything like yes, he was

562
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 5: finally letting me win in chess, like we'll be playing

563
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 5: chess and it was just quiet, like I'm like, why

564
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 5: are you letting me win?

565
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: Man? But he did kind of leave a I don't

566
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: know if he artistic or something. But the day that

567
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: he left, they were transferring him around two o'clock in

568
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: the morning, and my man, as soon as the cell closed,

569
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: I said, all right, man, love you, like I was

570
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: in tears. But my man was like.

571
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 6: If anybody my little brother come back and kill your

572
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 6: great This guy just set me. So, you know, that

573
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 6: kind of left the bad tasted in my mouth a bit.

574
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 6: I mean, I didn't want to come out of myself.

575
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I was glad that I got transferred

576
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: out of that place because a lot of people were

577
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: giving me that look like because you don't know, like

578
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: prison there, it's like it's very secretive, like everyone looks like,

579
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: you know, the air is stick, like you could just

580
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 3: cut that. That air is so thick that you can

581
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: cut it with the butter knife and that thing it's

582
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: it's thick. So I was paranoid most of the time.

583
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: I needed to stay on my feet, uh and just

584
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: hold it, hold it down until because we had to

585
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: be writers. You know, once you hit hit the yard man,

586
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: you be like what nigga, Yeah I'm saying that, and

587
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: you know you got to represent and it's like.

588
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: You have to otherwise, yeah, you get ran over.

589
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: I never buckled, and even when I got text from

590
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: the Loosles, like, I got so used to it that

591
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, man, just don't hit me

592
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: in the face and I'll be like so you kind

593
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 3: of get I mean into it a bit.

594
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: Did that ever cause resentment in your heart towards your culture?

595
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 3: Dude, that was mad the whole time. Yeah, like I was.

596
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 3: I was agro. I just hated it and I hated

597
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 3: it like it doesn't bother me. Now that I've overcome,

598
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 3: I understand how to work and channel my way out

599
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: of the trauma. But it was just I was just

600
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: a mean, little, mean person. I've been in the same

601
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 3: size since, but like a lot more bigger, Like I mean.

602
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: Are you still what do you? What do you think

603
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 2: was the most impactful situation me knowing you you're very

604
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: You're very knowledgeable in the world of God, the Bible,

605
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: and you make you're very vocal about your belief in

606
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: God and what he's done for you. Tell us about

607
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: your most traumatic experience that made you shift your way

608
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 2: and basically how you started that relationship with God, because

609
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: I know they probably coexist together.

610
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: It just came out out of nowhere. It was more

611
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 3: I say, it's it's my wife. You know. When I

612
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: first saw her, something was prompting inside of my heart

613
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: that she's gonna be my wife. And during that time,

614
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: I said the Salvation prayer and and it was the

615
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 3: first time that I was with my man you saying,

616
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: we were playing dominoes, and I said this prayer through

617
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 3: a phone, thinking nothing of it. I was like, like

618
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 3: just playing dominoes and I was like, yes, he died

619
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: and he rose again. And during that time when I

620
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: was playing dominoes and talking, I repeating this prayer, the

621
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 3: roof actually in the spiritual realm, it just broke in

622
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: half and all this light and remember this was like

623
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: eleven o'clock at night, and all this light just came

624
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: down and I just felt all this warmth like of love.

625
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: Like I just started crying, and well, even my boy

626
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: was playing dominoes. Strong, you are right, you are all.

627
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: And I went outside and I was like, this light

628
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: keeps following me. I was like trying not to cry,

629
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: but I cried for about three days. Since then, I

630
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: went to that Bible school, married my wife after the

631
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: first year, and I didn't know I was going to

632
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: be there for four years. So God is good, you

633
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: know when I look at my life now and I

634
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: see now that I'm here in Australia, only only God

635
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: can get you out of a pit and pull you

636
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 3: out of a place of darkness and put you into

637
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 3: a light now like nowadays, Like the last eight years,

638
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: I've been working in the youth department, helping young youths

639
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: reduce their recidivism and finding ways to overcome their criminogenic

640
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 3: needs and understanding their trauma because a lot of it

641
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: has to do with trauma. It's not about being followers

642
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 3: or anything like that. It's more like if you look

643
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 3: at the trauma that you vACC based Like me, I

644
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 3: can overcome my trauma because I got God and I

645
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 3: understand that there is afterlife. But with these young people,

646
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: they still don't have an understanding. Yeah, the Bible actually

647
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 3: says my people perish from a lack of knowledge. It's

648
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: like they just don't have that knowledge of it. And

649
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 3: if we can just cater to them, it will speak

650
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: more volumes for them to understand. Not Bible bash them,

651
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: I mean, and nothing wrong with that, but there's a

652
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: way of actually having the minister to them.

653
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you were you ever going? But when you're

654
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: in jail? Was back in America? Were you ever luck?

655
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: Did you ever come across the Bible? No?

656
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh really? So this was all post lockow.

657
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: I was still living after life like uh, it was

658
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 3: like just my I was never as talkative now, but

659
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: back then I was always quiet and always giving a

660
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: dirty look for no reason. Like I was always like

661
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 3: and take this out there, like I don't know. It

662
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: was like I look back now, I'm like, why were

663
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: you even like that? You mean even hard like yeah,

664
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: like uh, but you grew up yeah, Like I was

665
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: raised in the Mormon Church Santa Ana fourth ward, Like

666
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: my parents were debout mornings when I was fifteen. My

667
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: mom like said, I you know, got into it my

668
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: father and said I want to go to Seventh Day

669
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 3: Advanished Church. And then I got baptized in the Seventh

670
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: Day had Vanished church, got baptized in the Catholic Church.

671
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 3: I just was just the lost person.

672
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: Oh so this is you as a kid.

673
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just didn't understand. I mean I saw all

674
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 3: my homies.

675
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 7: They were like, we have like if you the Catholic Yeah,

676
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 7: like this right here, Like I mean I got it

677
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 7: when I was a kid, but like this actually was

678
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 7: all in Spanish, just says please forgive me mother for

679
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 7: my crazy life, and like all my homies had it

680
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 7: in Spanish, but I was like, no, I have minds

681
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 7: in English.

682
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: Yes, So it was always about that crazy life. You

683
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 3: know that's a that's a mad piece.

684
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: That's mad.

685
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: If you've got a photo, it will be mad if

686
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: we didn't, I mean.

687
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: It's old. Yeah.

688
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: So for those for those that don't know, Sam actually

689
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: used to have a he used to do a bit

690
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: of a gig. I don't know if he still does

691
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: it now. This was back then. He used to do

692
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: a lot of artwork and he done a bit of

693
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: my artwork. I'll show you is now. No, I can't

694
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: take much. But I didn't even stay married.

695
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 6: Well.

696
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 3: Tattooing, yeah, I do tattooing. I learned in jail, so yeah,

697
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 3: I still do it now.

698
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. So you've done a lot of the boys pieces

699
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: in there? Yeah, how does it work? How does that

700
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 1: work in there?

701
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: Do you do?

702
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: You guys? Sort of like how do you make the

703
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: actual pens?

704
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: You make it with a lead pencil CD motor to

705
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: make it spind too brush to the uh the hoster

706
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: and then for the needle was a guitar string number

707
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: two through and then you sharpen it on floor or

708
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 3: any biler and then how to hold it still is

709
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: you know the lighter, Yeah, there's that part where the

710
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: flame comes so you get that little bit and you

711
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: stick it in front of just to hold it.

712
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: And it holds it.

713
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: It holds it steady.

714
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: So the ink itself is from the pencil.

715
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 3: No, you make your own ink as well. Okay, so

716
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: the pencil, you know those lead pencils, you just cut

717
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: it in half, so you take that part onto a

718
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: two brush to hold us as a handle, and then

719
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 3: the motor so the needle can go through.

720
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: Yeah there you guys, I'm done this.

721
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 3: At home.

722
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: You know, was that like your your while making money

723
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: and saw jail?

724
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? I know that my parents were struggling having this

725
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 3: and a lot of us money for our books because

726
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: the commentary you get.

727
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah buyo yeah yeah, yeah, yes.

728
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I know that I didn't want to struggle

729
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: my my parents do it. But I do remember the

730
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: homies will be like so that man, you know, you

731
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: know how to draw, and I used to draw a

732
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: lot and they were like make this guy go, you know,

733
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: so just became slanging the ink names for like four

734
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: soups in the candy bar like you know. So you know,

735
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: my commentsary was always full.

736
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: Is there any plans for you to go back? I

737
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: can imagine there'll be so much trauma especially knowing that

738
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: your whole life is when eighty, when you go back,

739
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: Is there any plans to go back?

740
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: There's plans are going back right now. I know there's

741
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 3: a lot of things going on, a lot of ice

742
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 3: what do you call it? Immigration? Yeah, so I let

743
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: that die a little bit down, but planning on going

744
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 3: back to take my kids, show them where I come from.

745
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: You know, all my family are still there. Yeah.

746
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: It's a powerful it's a powerful testimony. I've always I've

747
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: always wondered what it was like for the Islanders that

748
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: grew up in a lot of crime over there, because

749
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: over here it's it's I feel like a lot of

750
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: us choose to be bad, and it sort of seems

751
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. It sort of seems like you

752
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: guys every day have no toys, but to grow up

753
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: in that lifestyle, that's the only way to be well.

754
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: None of us were getting dragged in ice cream bands,

755
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: but that's for sure.

756
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it's just an environment you grew

757
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: up with. We were broke, yeah, literally just just getting

758
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 3: by and I and you do want the planet is

759
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: when you go to school, you want to sport the

760
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: freshest nikes and the fresh dress. I think that's what

761
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: pushed us to the edge. And there was always negatives,

762
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 3: thing negatives everywhere. You're gonna have to be a gangster.

763
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: And I know there's a lot there's a lot more

764
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: shootings obviously that happens in America. Compete to heat. Do

765
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: you feel like that is another reason why boys sort

766
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: of had to have to find like a gang that

767
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: they can you know, be at home with because of that,

768
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: because of the violence.

769
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 2: The gun control there is so like different to here.

770
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: Back then you can get again probably where you can

771
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: get a gun easily. You just there's just connections everywhere.

772
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: I was just a dude, man, you know where I

773
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: can get a clock? Oh yeah, man, the honey right here.

774
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: And that's how it just comes by wellout even going

775
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 3: to no shop or anything like that.

776
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: Without going to the shops.

777
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is connections. Yeah, it's it's not what you know,

778
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: it's who you know. So yeah, if you, if you,

779
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 3: and you have a lot of boys, So there's always

780
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: connection to someone pushing a burnt gun, so yeah, you

781
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: gotta be careful from that burnt hasn't.

782
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: It's been used Yeah, Yeah, And we're speaking a little

783
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: bit before the podcast on islanders that come from America

784
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: and then the accents get washed out. But you've been

785
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: here for hell, how long you've beenenteen years, sixteen years,

786
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: I've been married.

787
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 3: I've been married sixteen years.

788
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 2: Sixteen years and strong. Do you feel like it's you're

789
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: holding onto the accent astrong as you can or.

790
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 3: It's like I'm trying my best to get into the

791
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: Australian accent. But I just feel like I'm trying too

792
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: hard to. Yeah, like I say things even my even

793
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: my wife's family be saying, man, we don't even say that,

794
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 3: like I parked the car the part lot. It's really hard,

795
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: I think because all my until my twenties, then I

796
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: came out here. I came out here when I was thirty. Yeah,

797
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: I got married sixteen years ago. So yeah, it's very different. Yeah,

798
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 3: it's really hard to get the Australian accent down.

799
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: It's pretty thick. Do you think if we go to

800
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: America we'd have the same experience. Everyone will kind of

801
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 2: look at us like, bro, what's wrong with this guy?

802
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: I don't know. Man, you guys will be swimming and

803
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 3: women I reckon.

804
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine. But like going to America. I hear

805
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: a lot of the stories from the boys. I was

806
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: actually loft up with some Wilanders that would have been

807
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: to America.

808
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 3: Very solid dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

809
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: It's always mad to get insight on the life that

810
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: you guys live because it's totally opposite to us and

811
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: like the whole different environment and man, it's just always

812
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: interesting to see the way you guys deal with that situation.

813
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: Obviously here the gangs are different and it's more it's

814
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: small underworld stuff and the Islanders get involved and stuff,

815
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, becoming like the muscle for everyone.

816
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: And an interesting topic you said as well that I've

817
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: actually just realized now is that you were saying how

818
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: the island is over there, they're so happy to see

819
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 2: each other, but over here it's kind of like that's great.

820
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: That's something guys we need to look into because man,

821
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: like like the brother said, we're stronger together as the people. Bro.

822
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm praying for that that happens, because I do know

823
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: what he's talking about. It does for me myself. It

824
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: happens a lot when I see random Islanders, you know,

825
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: like people look at me like he's got twenty one.

826
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: This street goes well, you know one of these gangs.

827
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: You never Yeah, I'm praying for that day to happen.

828
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: But like it's it's always good for us to stick together, man,

829
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: And I actually love that, Like there's some wins and

830
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: tongues get along really well.

831
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: Here my last tell me he was Tongue in Beef

832
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: from TCG.

833
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: Tomy Krik Gang Is that t CG.

834
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tongue Kirk Yeah, I remember. I remember him leaving too.

835
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: He was one closest persons that I was with. He's

836
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 3: always give me the heads up on game, and he

837
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 3: was It was rare for a tongue to shave his

838
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: head both. It was big, like.

839
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you should always see someone in tongue's day

840
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 4: with long ass.

841
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: Hey Broye always long hair and Rugby. Now there's a

842
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: lot of ruddies going on. We're gonna post them up

843
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: in the here. Look at this call, this guy and

844
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: this guy everyone's doing. It's becoming a popular histyle. The mullet,

845
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: the long mullet. I know you've seen it, the braided mullet.

846
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 3: I was bold all that time. I only started growing

847
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: my hair as I got older. Yeah, just since Santa Anna,

848
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: all the Mexicans were both had so I was always

849
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: bicking it like shaved. Like every morning, I'll be like

850
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 3: bicking my my head like it's just the style, you know,

851
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 3: and you.

852
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: Would have you would have, but then they didn't.

853
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: Will you would have get the pasted as an essay right?

854
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 3: Well, I mean because yeah, I know a lot of Simeons,

855
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 3: uh like collide with them. Like I remember talking to

856
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 3: a lot of Husles that were from because a lot

857
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: of usles theyre from blood and crip gangs. And I

858
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 3: remember them always saying, man, he was from essay gang.

859
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, Man's just like I always try to

860
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 3: yeah it aside because I feel like they're bringing things

861
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 3: up to get I don't want to get the game.

862
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 3: It's like it's useless because you had to stand there

863
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: and like just take it.

864
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: But would there like say, say you were hanging out.

865
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: We feel back to a Mexicans or like a would

866
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: would they do anything about diesel? They can't say you're

867
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: getting taxed?

868
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: No, they always they always tell me because you know

869
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 3: it's not their place, like the Remember it's all structured.

870
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: You can't be putting your nose into other people's businesses.

871
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: If I failed, then that's all me. But they're not

872
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: going to risk their whole group just because of one dude.

873
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: But they always ask me, they were like, hey, you

874
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: know we got your back. Nah man, Sorry, I just

875
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: didn't want the drama, yeah, because then it will be

876
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: another war.

877
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: And this tax doesn't happen in the open, does it,

878
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: Like it happens hidden away in the room.

879
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 3: You don't want the CEOs, the correction, you know, throwing

880
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: remember in there. It's very different. If there's any nonsense

881
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 3: going on, it's they shoot. So there's these big signs everywhere,

882
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 3: like and they in the yardist is warning no warning

883
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 3: shots or to be fired. So those guys are standing

884
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 3: up there just waiting for a little bit of.

885
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: They just want to pull up.

886
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: They're just itching. So that's why it needs to be everything.

887
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 3: Even if you have beef for somebody one on one,

888
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 3: you go handle that on your own. Yeah.

889
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, So do they do the essays? Like do their

890
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 4: own boys text their own boys as well?

891
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 3: If they were with them, they hit the face.

892
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is pretty full on a yeah, wow, man,

893
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 2: what was I going to say? You forgot what's your

894
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: what's your like? Because I know now you've moved up

895
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: to you in Brisbane. Now a what's your like, what's

896
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: your favorite because I know you probably had different foods

897
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: in America. What's your favorite food like here in Australia

898
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: just for takeaway?

899
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 3: The turkish Man? You just what the Turkish Man? Yeah,

900
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 3: there was a mixed plates. Yeah the me mess with

901
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 3: that charcle man. Yeah yeah, yeah, that thing feels like heaven.

902
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: You know exactly what I think said.

903
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 3: It was like the babs are one thing, but remember

904
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 3: those sish ones they're cooked on the charcole.

905
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, is missing out?

906
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 3: That's that's another level I think. Just mess in your

907
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 3: mouth man.

908
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good.

909
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: Tell us about your a bit more about your journey

910
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: with God, saying you've you've turned your life around. Has

911
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: there any been patches? Has there ever been any patches

912
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: where you felt like, I don't know if this this

913
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: is the right way. I came from this, this background

914
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: full of violence in that gang culture. Did you ever

915
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: think for a second like this is not for me.

916
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? My first my first year, I struggled a lot,

917
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 3: like I kept on stumbling, but uh there was the

918
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 3: Dina students during that time. My first year. He actually

919
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: walked me walked, walked side by side and helped me

920
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: through always carrying the work, you know. Yeah, I always says, hey,

921
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: look at you know Second Corinthians by seventeen. It says

922
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,919
Speaker 3: that you're a new person, you know what I mean.

923
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: All things are passed away. So when you really look

924
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: at that, it's already been thrown in, tossing to the

925
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: sea of forgivefulness. So what you've done in your past,

926
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 3: God has forgiven you and you are now standing right

927
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: side with God. So that's helped me through a lot

928
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 3: and just growing with God, doing children's ministry, youth ministry,

929
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: even prison ministry. I actually preached over that Parkley, whoa

930
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 3: I'm invited by Pastor Gilbert. I came in there and

931
00:53:54,920 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 3: I remember sharing life being incarcerated but having to overcome

932
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: with with God. So like, I actually took my wife

933
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 3: with me. She was pretty surprised too. Yeah, this is

934
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: what God can do. He can take you from one

935
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 3: place at the dail from here and go preach and

936
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 3: another yeah, in another place. So that's amazing.

937
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: I can imagine the boys would have been very short.

938
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah to hear his story. Yeah, I actually ministered that

939
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 3: h to the one hundred and fifty kids in Tola

940
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 3: Thupo College. Oh wow, I've actually traveled to Tula, and

941
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: I mean don't lock. So we went. I was invited

942
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: by the Women's Crisis Center and we went with this

943
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 3: church Sydney House of Praise, and uh we got I

944
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 3: got to share, uh to the one hundred and fifty

945
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: students and so to bol College. Those one hundred and

946
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: fifty were being punished. They weren't feeding them. I guess.

947
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: They went behind the backs to this hostile placed. This

948
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 3: the house, what's that red school. Yeah, there's about fifty

949
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 3: students in there. And they burnt it down, the two

950
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: story house and really yes, one of the head boys

951
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 3: from Attila came out and because it was like a

952
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 3: big old bind trash can, they filled it up with

953
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 3: fire and they threw it in the house. So he

954
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 3: ended up with all these burns. But the head boy,

955
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 3: being the head boy, he grabbed it and he came

956
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: out and then they they just bonded on them, all

957
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 3: of them, and then they ran all in the back

958
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 3: of the you know, because there's the main road and

959
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 3: to get to Dupo College is pretty far and this

960
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 3: is in the middle of the night. One hundred and

961
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 3: fifty kids are just running well like Ninja's in the

962
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 3: back of the jungle.

963
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: And that's like because of the school beef that was

964
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: going on.

965
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah thirteen.

966
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: Oh no, I had no clue the bowl was up

967
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: because I do know about a lot of lean yeah Tonga.

968
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know, the schools are

969
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: very like they're pretty much like postcode gangs or like

970
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: street gangs. In in my island, there's no gangs, but

971
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: there's schools like doing all the way with each other,

972
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, they're literally trying to kill each other.

973
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 2: One of the most prominent ones is Leohona, which is

974
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: the Green School, and which is the Red School. There's

975
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 2: also the Law Dark, Blue and Black. They they also

976
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: have their their history as well. That's where my dad went.

977
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: That's where he went. I yeah, yeah, he's got the

978
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: TCC on these uh.

979
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I see. That's just another example of how

980
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: how it is everywhere, because a lot of people were

981
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: shocked there, like when it came to post code wars

982
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 1: that were saying like, how do you guys get involved

983
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: in this week? He's like back in your area, but

984
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: like no one knows that this is happening even in

985
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: our home landing country, you know, like I can imagine

986
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: you will probably know, like in America. Sometimes it even

987
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: comes down the streets. What street are you passing? Like

988
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: you're on the wrong street. When I heard that, I

989
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: was I was shocked at the court because you know,

990
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: we've got to get twenty five minutes down the people

991
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: like from America, some of them go down the road

992
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: and they're going to walk, you know.

993
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: And now that we've established that it's even happening back

994
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: at home, I don't know if it's is that the

995
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 2: case in some more as well? Do schools beef like

996
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: that or is it just tomma sweet.

997
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: Some different it's just a different kind of atmosphere. Yeah,

998
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: I think it's the overseas and the locals.

999
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: Oh that's that coming story it up?

1000
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that play around many like.

1001
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's there's definitely pell in those old school

1002
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 2: there's old school people. I believe in that them hearts

1003
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: are different, very different.

1004
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: So so when you went to the ball was that

1005
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: were they asking you to come? Because there's a whole

1006
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: bro going on. Kids are trying to burn up houses.

1007
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 3: There were being punished during that time. But it was

1008
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 3: we were with the women's crisis. We were praying for

1009
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 3: there that's near the hospital. And then they said that

1010
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 3: they were going to the Pool College for these these

1011
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 3: kids that they're very hideous crying toward h those students.

1012
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: So we went out there and I got to speak

1013
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 3: to them about well the love of God, you know,

1014
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 3: just shared on my story and just told them, hey,

1015
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 3: look at me, you can overcome it. You know, God

1016
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: is good and he's people. He's not He's not a

1017
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: god that just doesn't forget about you. Just remember He's

1018
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 3: always there. Yeah. I was also Donga College.

1019
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: Tom High.

1020
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 3: Apparently Hills were like that. Yeah, very different.

1021
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: They were like the high class. Yeah, they were always

1022
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: known as the uh because they because a lot of

1023
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 1: our schools the students speak tongue and Don Hi was

1024
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: like one of their school with the smart kids that

1025
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: they speak English. They were like you know up there.

1026
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: That's how we looked at it because.

1027
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: Because we we used to try to speak English and

1028
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 2: we went to one of the more I don't want

1029
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: to use the wrong term, one of the more average

1030
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: kind of schools, but we tried to speak English, but

1031
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: we got bullied, like we were like, well, I don't

1032
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: know if I speak to you, did you guys that

1033
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: just me? Oh you used to. Yeah, so we will

1034
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: try to speak English and then they kind of look

1035
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 2: down upon it, like, bro.

1036
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: He's just like some more like because we're not from there.

1037
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be like this guy thinks he's bigger than

1038
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 2: like like you know what I mean. He thinks he's

1039
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: like something different than us.

1040
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, someone is different. It wasn't. It wasn't. The locals

1041
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: are a good period. It's just the overseas one.

1042
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: What It's like they come and come down with the

1043
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: gang culture.

1044
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 3: That's that's what the clashes happened. Yes, like no, no, no, no, no, no,

1045
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 3: you need to take that back blood.

1046
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that becomes like a big problem. I think

1047
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Tom is like that now as well

1048
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: with the the Father One Boys going back.

1049
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 3: Yea.

1050
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: You know, I was speaking with my mate the other

1051
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: day on on the the gun control laws in obviously

1052
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: right now America is there's a lot going on. A

1053
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: lot of like interesting more than interesting things have been

1054
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: happening recently, especially in America. And I've got to say

1055
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: that the gun control like Australia gets a lot of

1056
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: things wrong. But I think the gun control they've got right,

1057
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: Like there are still shootings, don't get me wrong, but

1058
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: for the most part, Like we have a pretty strong

1059
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: border force, and you coming from America, you obviously would

1060
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: I would hope. So you see less guns over here

1061
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: in Australia and a lot less gun crimes. Do you

1062
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: think America has Like where do you think that their

1063
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: progression is going towards the future?

1064
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 3: Well, I mean if you look at Australia's twenty eight

1065
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 3: million people, yeah, if you look at America, there's a

1066
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 3: five hundred million. That's true. I believe that it's needed

1067
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 3: for one reason is because there's a lot of criminals

1068
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 3: out there and you need to protect your own Like

1069
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 3: that's how I see it. Yeah, I mean someone breaks

1070
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 3: into your house for like a nine milimeter I mean,

1071
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 3: that's the perfect time where you pull like a cap

1072
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 3: poison and say a little little you know. But like

1073
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 3: I believe it's for protection. I don't think it should

1074
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 3: be used to attack those I think it's that's only

1075
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 3: one reason why I think it would be all right,

1076
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 3: that's interesting, just too many people.

1077
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess it's already deep rooted. Hey, so

1078
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 2: you can't just all of a sudden say, oh, you

1079
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: can't hold guns anymore, because then you've got a lot

1080
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 2: of like whackheads that still have guns and they're gonna

1081
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 2: they're gonna take advantage of that.

1082
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Speaker 1: And that's what's happening here. So we got the you know,

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Speaker 1: the gun crime is that the guns a very strong set.

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Speaker 1: We only got the criminals at holding guns.

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Speaker 3: No one else is. And that's why it shouldn't like

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Speaker 3: to me if they do that gun control, the criminals

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Speaker 3: are going to hold onto theirs. Yeah, you're going to

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Speaker 3: see everyone that legally purchased their their their their guns,

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Speaker 3: their artillery from the shops. They already they already know

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Speaker 3: where your address is that they will go and collect it.

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Speaker 3: But what about the criminals that are not. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: that's that's why. No, I don't want to get slanted.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna hashtag Donald Trump and these.

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Speaker 3: We're just going through this time of chaos. I believe

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Speaker 3: like America is going through this time of chaos where

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of things going on and I don't

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Speaker 3: want to say things that will jeopardize you guys, show

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Speaker 3: or myself. It's just more like it's.

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Speaker 2: Say, we're pretty I'm actually surprised we haven't got cancel

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Speaker 2: this far.

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Speaker 3: It's just just woke, you know what I mean. People

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Speaker 3: are happy. Like, for instance, there was this man of

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Speaker 3: God that was will go to different universities and speak

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Speaker 3: on on situations for college students to think before they

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Speaker 3: commit things. And while he's going to different universities and

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Speaker 3: giving a fair debate, do you have people that would

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Speaker 3: edit some of the things that he says and then say, oh,

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Speaker 3: he's a racist, he's a big yeah yeah. And then

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Speaker 3: he gets smoked, you know, and then they celebrate, like

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Speaker 3: like what's there to celebrate about? You know, crazy? All

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Speaker 3: I got from man like me, I don't stand right,

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Speaker 3: I don't stand left, but all I stand for is

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Speaker 3: people that ambassadors have got. So that's one of my

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Speaker 3: homies that that got smoked on a lot of TV.

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Speaker 3: So you know, like that's where I stand at, and

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Speaker 3: I think that's all of us.

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Speaker 1: That's all of us, And like I've never really got

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Speaker 1: to really dive into any of his content or anything.

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Speaker 1: But like any man that is consistently declaring God, Amen Jesus,

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Speaker 1: and like you automatically see as you're balan like no

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Speaker 1: matter what they're going through the mother's on the right

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01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: tact to Jesus say, I get what you're saying, but

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Speaker 1: he always they always feel like a brother, and it's

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Speaker 1: very it's a very sick go what happened.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I also think that like even for because

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Speaker 2: I saw a lot of people who were unsure, and

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01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 2: there was a lot of them, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: were unsure. But then because of the backlash and everyone

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Speaker 2: that mocked the death, that kind of like what's this

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Speaker 2: and like it kind of took people by shock, like well,

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Speaker 2: now I know who's the crazy side, and now I

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Speaker 2: know who's who's like the normal side. And I think

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Speaker 2: for me as well, I've I've pretty I've changed, like

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Speaker 2: I'm having enemies and being through like postcode Wars, I've

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Speaker 2: kind of changed my my perception on like you know,

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Speaker 2: when when when the enemy falls, it's it's not kind

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Speaker 2: of a manly thing to laugh, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: or to mock like you bid like back in the

1139
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Speaker 2: medieval days, you bid farewell. Once you've you've won the war,

1140
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Speaker 2: you let them take the hostages back. There's always a

1141
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Speaker 2: mutual man only honorable respect. And I'd find it more

1142
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 2: of a cowardice nature to to laugh and mock and

1143
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 2: hide behind the gate and say look at this, whereas

1144
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: these people that do that, these are not people that

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01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 2: would be bold enough to stand on that on the

1146
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Speaker 2: front enemy lines and you know, proclaim what they believe.

1147
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm going to be too deep. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I love the way you put that, man, I've never seen.

1149
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Speaker 2: It like that.

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Speaker 3: Well you're right about that, Like right now is the

1151
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Speaker 3: time where like, I'm grateful that you guys have a

1152
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 3: platform where you guys can be a light and actually

1153
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 3: show that the level crist through these podcasts because not

1154
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 3: to like a lot of us don't know. So we

1155
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 3: need to be be their instrument that God has had

1156
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Speaker 3: us called and destined to reach out to the loss

1157
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Speaker 3: by these platforms, you know, not to try to change

1158
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 3: you guys platform into no platform, but it's just to

1159
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Speaker 3: help those so they can arts and be enlightened and

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01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 3: they would understand that Jesus is still alive.

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Speaker 1: And well, well that's that's one of the best advices

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Speaker 1: I've ever heard, man, And I'm grateful for that.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, You've always you've always been a light like around

1165
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Speaker 2: me and the family and everyone is there any we're

1166
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Speaker 2: just slowly coming up to the end of it. Is

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Speaker 2: any verse you want to leave, like basically even we've

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Speaker 2: just us brothers to and some advice and some advice

1169
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Speaker 2: like to encourage us along the years of living.

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Speaker 3: Never give up, like just never give up on the

1171
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Speaker 3: things of God. God has a bright future for you.

1172
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Speaker 3: Has for scripture wise, Uh, remember what the Bible says

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Speaker 3: man in the Book of Romans, where as many as

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Speaker 3: being led by the spirit of God, those are the

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Speaker 3: sons of God. So be led. And then trying not

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Speaker 3: to be led by your head because I know, I

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Speaker 3: know a lot of us we might think that's good

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Speaker 3: in our head, but what does our heart say?

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Speaker 1: What's so, what's a message you give at like to

1180
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: Christians in general right now, especially for like social media.

1181
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: Something that we'd love to reach out and say to

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Speaker 1: Christians other Christians.

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Speaker 3: Stand up, like really stand firm on the word of God,

1184
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Speaker 3: like trying not to take things out of context, take

1185
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Speaker 3: things out of like I know a lot of us

1186
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 3: will say things like get on your knees, But where

1187
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Speaker 3: in the Bible does that say. It just says the

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01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 3: only way that we received Jesus is through compression. Of

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Speaker 3: our mouths and believing in so we we need to

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Speaker 3: stand up and stop making things up and throwing.

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Speaker 2: Things making it entertaining.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, follow what the word says, because you know, it's

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Speaker 3: an incorruptible seed that was put onto man. It's an

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Speaker 3: invaluable word and it defends itself. So yeah, praise God.

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Speaker 1: Praise that's a beautiful missus Man. Thank you every everyone

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Speaker 1: that that you died for. Anyone that wants to look

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Speaker 1: a bit more into your ministry and that we can

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Speaker 1: they find you just before.

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing ministry at the moment or tattooing. I'm

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Speaker 3: doing a mixed mix of things. I'm in Brisbane. Uh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what other plant I should create a

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Speaker 3: platform for those that want to hear more.

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Speaker 1: But we'd love to support you.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Whenever you're you're ready with that, let us know and

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Speaker 1: we're going to support you all the way. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to Bros and County here with the best Jay Lex,

1208
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Speaker 1: Ron Gotdie Mallick and Sam

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Speaker 2: Yes, Sir,