1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Now the Northern Territory government has this morning announced the 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: purchase of the silk Wood property. It's a thirty thousand 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: hectare parcel of land equivalent to around fifteen thousand TiO stadiums. Now, 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: it's a seven point five million dollar deal and it's 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: going to see Litchfield National Park expanded by twenty percent. 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: It's the largest addition to the National Park estate in 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: twenty five years. The Chief Minister Leofanocchiaro joins me in 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: the studio. Good morning to you, Leah. 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: Good morning, can in to your listeners, good to see you. 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: Now, this is a bold move opening up land which 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: has not previously, as I understand it been accessible to Territorians. 12 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 3: Where exactly is a yeah, it's it's such an exciting announcement. 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, bringing back our beautiful, unique territory lifestyle. 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: Is it the third pillar of what we told Territorians 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: we would do. 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 3: And so to be able to secure a twenty percent 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: increase in Lichfield National Park really locks in that area 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: for conservation now and for the future. And it means 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: not just our locals which is a huge part, but 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: tourists as well. 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: So it's just it's on the. 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 3: South side of Lichfield, so it literally borders it, so 23 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 3: it'll be one continuous, enormous, you know, piece of land. 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: Lichfield will literally be like two thirds of the size 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: of Acts. 26 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. So we're really excited. 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: And you'll be able to then access it from Adelaide River, 28 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: so currently you can go down the very springs way, 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: you can go bachelor. This will really help the town 30 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 3: as well. So it's a big announcement today. It's us 31 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: delivering on our promises and our commitments to Territorians. And 32 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: it just means people who hike and rock climb and 33 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: swim and fallwood drive and camp, they've just got even 34 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 3: more opportunity to do that now. 35 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: So seven point five billion dollars, why now, why did 36 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: you make this decision to take over that location now? 37 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: And we had to jump on it. 38 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: It was up for sale and just imagine if this 39 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: got sold to someone who locked it all up, and 40 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: you know, we'd never benefit for it. So, you know, 41 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: conservation and wildlife protection is a really important part of 42 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: our lifestyle, and so we seize the moment. 43 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: So how soon is that land actually going to open 44 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: up to territorious. 45 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, straight away. 46 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: So you can currently access it now and people I've 47 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 3: not been out there except for Robin's Falls obviously is 48 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: a much love local swimming spot, but people can access 49 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 3: it now, so we'll just maintain status. 50 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: Quo so that it's sort of informal use. 51 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: So it was actually already able to be accessed. 52 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: Well, it was a more of a turner blind eye 53 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: situation as my understanding, So it was privately owned, which 54 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: meant people probably weren't meant to go there, but the 55 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: owner was sort of cool with it, I suppose you 56 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 3: can say. So we'll we'll continue that open access arrangement 57 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 3: and then we'll work through a master plan for the 58 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 3: area so that we can start to put in place 59 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: in our budget where the formalized roads need to go, 60 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: or walking tracks need to go, camping grounds, all of 61 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 3: that type of stuff. But we do want to keep 62 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: it quite rugged because that is a really important part 63 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 3: of our lifestyle and people want to be able to 64 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: have that unique, really you know, natural experience. So when 65 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 3: you know it's not going to be full of buildings 66 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: or anything like that, we want to keep it beautiful. 67 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: Having So what is there work, I mean, you sort 68 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: of touched on this. It sounds like there may need 69 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: to be work done into the future. What kind of 70 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: work do you think is going to need to be done. 71 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be road access, it might be formalization 72 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: of footpaths, signage, you know, maybe even a kiosk at 73 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: some point, you know, formalization of campgrounds. But it is 74 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: it will be in the same feeling as Litchfield. 75 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: You know, is there property currently on there? You know, 76 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: it's not. 77 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: I believe it's just land and it's quite rugged. There 78 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: are gorgeous waterfalls, escarpment. People who've been there and I've 79 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: spoken to them just say it's absolutely breathtaking. 80 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: Now in terms of well, one of the listener questions 81 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: that I've had already this morning is are people going 82 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: to be able to hunt there? 83 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so one portion of it will be set aside 84 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: for feral pig hunting. So that's exciting as well, because again, 85 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 3: for some hunting is a really important part of our lifestyle. 86 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: So we've now got to move through all that detail. 87 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: We've been really focused on the acquisition and the purchase, 88 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: and now that that's all locked in, we can now 89 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: work out what's the best way to use that land. 90 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: So how soon is the land really going to open 91 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: up and are you going to get stuck into some 92 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: of that work? 93 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: Well, people like I said, if you want to do 94 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,679 Speaker 3: a camping tomorrow out there, you could, So that's all fine. 95 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 3: You obviously have to know where you're going, and I 96 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to kat it because I don't know 97 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: the area well. But that you know the Forward Drive club, 98 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 3: for example, not it. Intimately there's about two hundred plus 99 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 3: kilometers of full ward drive track in there, for example, right, 100 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: So there are plenty of territories who know the ropes 101 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: and then the rest of us will get to learn 102 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: the ropes Katie. So I'm hoping tourism will be able 103 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: to start to put some money into it now. And 104 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 3: the master plan's really important because we want to get 105 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: it right and it is about conservation as well. And 106 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: then into next budget, which that process will start in 107 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 3: a couple of months. Anyway, we'll make sure we're allocating 108 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: money to do whatever we deem is the first big step, 109 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 3: so it's exciting and it's for the long term. This 110 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: is the biggest acquisition for a national park in twenty 111 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: five years. 112 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: So I guess you know, as you've said, it does 113 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: sound as well, it's exciting, but the fact that people 114 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: can already go out there it does sort of make 115 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: it sound like, Okay, we're not opening something up brand new. 116 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: But I guess it sounds like it's a formalization of things. 117 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't ours, and technically people probably weren't supposed to. 118 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: So what we're doing is locking that in so they 119 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: can imagine if a buyer had to come in, had 120 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: a different philosophy on use of the land, put a 121 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: giant fence around it and told everyone to piss off, 122 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, that's that's not what we wanted. 123 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 3: So once we learned that the land was up for 124 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 3: sale and it was this treasured, iconic piece of natural environment, 125 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: we jumped on the opportunity. And so now that safeguards 126 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 3: the use the current use, and then will enhance the 127 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 3: use into the future. 128 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: Do you reckon they got it for a good price. Yeah, 129 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: I do. 130 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: I think seven point five million. 131 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 3: Gosh Kate, if you look around the territory at the 132 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: waste of money that labor had spent things on, I 133 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 3: think seven point fives had dropping the ocean for safeguarding 134 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 3: an additional twenty percent to literally National Park. 135 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: And that's our kids. 136 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 3: Their kids are going to be going to this place, 137 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 3: and I just it makes me so proud to think 138 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: that as a territory we're able to secure such an 139 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: iconic piece of recreational opportunity and conservation. 140 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: Any idea what amount of money might need to be 141 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 1: invested into it, you know, onto campsites and various different things. 142 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: Oh, you could spend bucket loads on it if you 143 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: wanted to, Katie. So we'll just go through that. 144 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: Well, obviously you have a budget situation and the purchase 145 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: is a major investment, and so we'll just have to 146 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 3: work through what's next. Again, we don't want to formalize 147 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: it too much. So Robin's Falls for example. I mean, 148 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: I've been going there since I was a little girl. 149 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 3: Your listeners will be familiar. There's probably not much really 150 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 3: that has to happen there. It's worked perfectly for forever. 151 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 3: Why do we need to change it? 152 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: Right? 153 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 3: We probably don't. But then there might be other bits 154 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 3: that are really difficult to access. There might be who knows, 155 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: little bits of creek crossings that we have to formalize again, chios, footpaths. 156 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: It just really depends on what we're going to offer where, 157 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 3: because we want it to be accessible as well. So 158 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: currently if you're not a forward drive enthusiast, doesn't mean 159 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: you should be deprived of the opportunity. And so we 160 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: just have to work through where's the first step and 161 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: then we'll put out a master plan for the community 162 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: and say this is what you can expect over the 163 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: next you know, probably decade Katie of investment. 164 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: Well, look, it's certainly going to no doubt get a 165 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: bit of feedback as the hours go on. So Chief 166 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: Minister will move along. Let's talk about the changes that 167 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: were announced last week when it comes to power prices. 168 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: So from tomorrow a three percent increase, how much is 169 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: that going to cost the average household? 170 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there will be a three percent increase. 171 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: This is an amount that will impact about eighty five 172 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: thousand households and small to medium businesses Katie, So it 173 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: will be significant. And CPI has been dropping slightly, but 174 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: this doesn't reflect the real increase of power prices. So 175 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: we've had to budget one hundred and ninety two million 176 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: dollars this year alone just to subsidize power across the territory. 177 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: And this is where and we might get to it later, 178 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: but this is where be Aloo is so important. We've 179 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: had a situation where power prices are going up when 180 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: they really shouldn't, and the Community service obligation, which is 181 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: the amount that government takes from your taxpayers dollars and 182 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: allocates back as a subsidy to you, it is growing. 183 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: So we need to fix that, and so we felt 184 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: that three percent was a responsible amount. You know, it 185 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: is going to hurt some people, and no one likes 186 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: to see those bills increase, but it can't be zero 187 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: and it can't be higher than three percent in our view, 188 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 3: So we've landed on this figure. 189 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: Look, it is going to hurt those that are doing 190 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: it tough our work, you know, like some of those 191 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: that are that are on pensions, seniors, you know. I mean, 192 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: the cost of living continues to rise for a lot 193 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: of people at this point in time. But we also 194 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: know them from January next year, the first fifty five 195 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: killer what hours per day going to be charged normal 196 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: household rate, but usage above that is going to be 197 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: charged at a higher rate equal to the rate applied 198 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: to small businesses. Why have you gone down this part? 199 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So when we had. 200 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 3: A detailed look at how power is used across the 201 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: Northern Territory. There's a small percentage of households that use 202 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: extraordinary amounts of power. I mean we're talking about superpower users. Basically, 203 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: it's like running a small business at a house. 204 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: That's how much power they're using. 205 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: And we didn't feel that that was appropriate to then 206 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: have the you know, the everyday territory and rate when 207 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: you are effectively using as much power as a business is. 208 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 3: So we from one January, we're giving those people time 209 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: to adjust, so they get a full six months to 210 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 3: really better understand why their house is using that much 211 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: power and what they can do to you. 212 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: Know, support a reduction in their in their own usages. 213 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: So we're trying to drive better you know behavior for 214 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 3: the super users so they will pay a little bit 215 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: more after that normal usage amount. And then from one 216 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: July as well, we've got high voltage customers will be 217 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 3: shifting to different prices. 218 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: Super uses do we have I don't have a number 219 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: for that, Katie. We couldn't get a number. 220 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 3: We don't expect it to be a lot, but it's 221 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 3: people who are I mean, if you as a house 222 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: are running as much using as much power as a 223 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: small business. 224 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: You can imagine it's huge. 225 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: So it really shouldn't I don't want anyone to be 226 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 3: worried about that. You should really know if you're a 227 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 3: super user, because your bills will be thousands of dollars 228 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: a quarter. So if that's not you, it'll be fine. 229 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: Well, I reckon some people might be a little bit 230 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: worried because they might be thinking to themselves, will come 231 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: wet season when I'm running the air conditioner all day 232 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: because it's bloody hold, or I've got somebody in my 233 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: home that's aging, or well, you know we need to 234 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: be running the air conditioning twenty four hours a day. 235 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: I mean, are they going to be impacted here? 236 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 3: No, it's very unlikely, and we can try and get 237 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: some better information. I imagine what Jakana will be doing 238 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: is actually contacting the super users directly, and because because 239 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 3: it is a smaller portion, but you would have to 240 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: be spending significant amounts of money a quarter. This is 241 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: not an everyday household where you've got a couple of 242 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 3: fridges running air cons like normal or heaters. If you're 243 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: in Central Australia, for example, this is this is major 244 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: amounts of power. 245 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: Do you feel as though, you know, these power increases 246 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: or these price increases I should say, are fair, I 247 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: mean three percent increase. I think CPI is currently at 248 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: two point four. Do you think that's Do you think 249 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: it's a fair increase? 250 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where we've landed. 251 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: And again it's not something you know, any government wants 252 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: to do is increase power prices. But again, what we 253 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 3: we're in this false economy in the territory where because 254 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: work hasn't been done to shore up our security of 255 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: energy and low cost energy i e. You know, a 256 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 3: stall on the Beterloo, what we've had is the community 257 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: service obligation increase. So that's just tax payers money being 258 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: hived off and instead of being spent in the hospital 259 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: or on roads or in law and order, it's given 260 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: back to you through a subsidy, so you're paying anyway 261 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 3: in effect. And what we are really trying to do 262 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: is just you know, really measure an achievable normal increase 263 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 3: at that three percent, which is just above CPI, and 264 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 3: then work out how we get lower cost energy moving forward, 265 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: so we can reduce the sea of the community service obligation, 266 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: which is that money we take out of your tax 267 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: so that we can spend your tax dollars on things 268 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: that make a big difference. 269 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: Okay. One of the questions that continuously come through around 270 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: those power prices and the solar feed in tariff. Now 271 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: we know that it was announce the solar feed in 272 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: tariff's kind to double tow eighteen point sixty six cents 273 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: per kila world hour for energy exported to the grid 274 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: between three pm and nine pm. A lot of people 275 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,359 Speaker 1: messaging to again ask why between those times. 276 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this was something that we left to our 277 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 3: government in corporations, the power generators, so Power and Water 278 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 3: Corporation for example, Jakana. 279 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: And that's the peak. 280 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 3: That's what they decide is peak times, like that's peak usage. 281 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: And so what we were trying to achieve with this. 282 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: Obviously Labor kicked everyone off the tariff, and then they 283 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: grandfathered some people and then they booted them off the tariff, 284 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: and now there's no tariff. So we are making sure 285 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 3: we're bringing back a tariff for people who are generating 286 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: a lot of power. Again, this is about changing user behavior. 287 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: I suppose you could say, so if someone has got 288 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: solar panels and they're changing the way they use their power, 289 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: and when they use their power in peak times, if 290 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 3: they're not drawing down on the grid, then they have 291 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: the opportunity to put that back into the grid for 292 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: someone else to use. Now we will pay them for 293 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 3: them effectively being a mini energy generator at a time 294 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 3: when there is most pressure out at Channel Island drawing 295 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 3: down power on the grid. So I know it can 296 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 3: seem a little bit silly, and on face value, it's 297 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 3: not about there being sun at nine o'clock because everyone 298 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: knows there absolutely is not. It's more about that's the 299 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 3: peak time. So whatever you can give back in the 300 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: peak time will be money in your pocket. 301 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: Okay, you touched a moment to go on the b tolo. 302 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: We are due to catch up with the B Toloo 303 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: in a few minutes time. Are about ten minutes time 304 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: to find out where things are at in terms of 305 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: their movements. So Beaterloo energy. But I do want to ask, 306 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: and a lot of people sort of asking this on 307 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: Friday when we had some of these discussions around the 308 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: bea Toloo and all around power, like how is this 309 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: going to help territorians when it comes to those power costs? 310 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so what has happened over the last year or 311 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: so is gas agreements with Tamboran, Empire Energy, Central Petroleum, 312 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 3: for example, so that we can have access to multiple 313 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: sources of energy in case one fails or becomes uncertain, 314 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 3: and to lock in the. 315 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: Best possible price for territorians. 316 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: Now, what Beaterloo does is creates significant competition in the 317 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: gas market because there is a number of players out there, 318 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: and that gives us greater opportunity to compete for better 319 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: pricing for locals. Now, Biterloo Energy sorry formerly Empire Energy, 320 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 3: they actually have their driveway runs right over the Macassa 321 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: River pipeline. So for example, now that they've got their 322 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 3: agreement with traditional owners, they will be able to get 323 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: their gas processing plant on site from Queensland and pop 324 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: that gas straight into the macalfe of River pipeline. Whereas 325 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: Tamboran have done a deal with APA who are pipeline deliverers, 326 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: and they will then build a new pipeline from Tamboran's 327 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: well out to the North South's gas pipeline that we 328 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: already have. So it's a really big piece to the puzzle. 329 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: This is how we will get gas to territories. This 330 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: is how we will get gas into backfilling those big facilities. 331 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: And do you anticipate it's going to see a reduction 332 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: in the power price. 333 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: I don't know that it will result in a reduction 334 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 3: of power price, but what we hope over time is 335 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: it will reduce the community service obligation. So that means 336 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: again that taxpayer dollar we're taking from you and giving 337 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 3: back to you through a subsidy can be used on 338 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 3: other better things. And what it will do is toe 339 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: cure longer term better gas prices out into the future, 340 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: so that we've got cheaper gas for longer. 341 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: All right, Chief Finesto. I want to move along and 342 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: ask you about a report in the Northern Train News 343 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: over the weekend. It was really sad actually when I 344 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: read this story. A much love seventy eight year old 345 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: dah and grandma was the victim of a terrifying home invasion. 346 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: So Aleni lives alone. It was reported at home at 347 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: a home she built actually with her husband in Nightcliff 348 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: after cyclone Tracy. She was hanging out her washing at 349 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: six am late earlier this month, I should say, the 350 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: nineteenth of June, when three master alleged offenders entered her yard. Now, 351 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: the woman who broke in followed her to her gate 352 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: before she sought help from the neighbor. While she was 353 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: getting that help, they trashed her home. Now, I will 354 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: say the neighbors and police helped. They arrested the trio responsible. 355 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: They're set to face court today and tomorrow. I mean, 356 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: Chief Minister. The thing is, some of this incredibly frustrating 357 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: crime continues to plague us. And when you hear of elderly, 358 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: the elderly being targeted like nothing much makes me angry up. 359 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: I mean, are you as frustrated as the rest of 360 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: us that we continue to hear about this kind of 361 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: crime and it continues to happen. 362 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: Oh, of course. 363 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: And I spoke with some seniors last week as I 364 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 3: made my rounds through morning teas where they are feeling 365 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 3: particularly targeted because they're more vulnerable, which is just disgusting. 366 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 3: I mean, if you think you've lived your whole life, 367 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 3: you've paid your taxes, you've worked, you've raised your kids, 368 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 3: you've given back to the community, and you're probably still 369 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: giving back to the community through all of the wonderful 370 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 3: volunteering and other things, and then to be deliberately targeted 371 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 3: because you're vulnerable. It's heinous, Katie, and so you know, 372 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: our thoughts are all with Elenni, and thank you to 373 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 3: her neighbors and the police. I guess the point I'll 374 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 3: make is there's a lot of work to do. Obviously, 375 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 3: those people were arrested and not bailed, so it shows 376 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 3: you how bail laws are working. And again it's about 377 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 3: how people feel more than the statistics. But I know 378 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: from week to week, Katie, you tend to ask and 379 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: I don't have the numbers today I do, so we've 380 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 3: had a bit of a settling period, so we can 381 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: reflect now that we've been in government for about ten months. 382 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 3: If we compare January to April this year with January 383 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 3: to April last year under US versus under labor in Darwin, 384 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 3: robbery is down forty percent. House break ins are down 385 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 3: forty eight percent, commercial break ins are down nineteen percent, 386 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: and other theft defenses are down twenty Now, summer up, 387 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 3: dev's up, our correlated defenses are up. So I'm not 388 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 3: trying to sugar coat or pluck numbers or whatever you 389 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: want to say, but we are having some improvements. But 390 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,959 Speaker 3: that's cold comfort for people like it, And I mean 391 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 3: we've got the opposition they reckon the government isn't making 392 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: inroads or the inroads that you promised when it comes 393 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 3: to crime. We'll just say last Monday I was reporting 394 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: on Palmerston victims having to lock themselves into a bedroom 395 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 3: before teen offenders smashed that bedroom door with a machete 396 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 3: and demanded money and keys to two vehicles. They were 397 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 3: caught and charged. But are you confident that these people. 398 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: Are being dealt within through the courts in the way 399 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: that the community expects, Because to me breaking into someone's 400 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: home using a machete while they are cowering in a 401 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: bed terrifying, is terrifying, and it's the lowest of law. 402 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: Yeah it is. 403 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 3: And your home should be a sacred and safe space, right. 404 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: So I think what you can see really clearly is 405 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 3: that the bail laws are working. Then the courts have 406 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 3: to deal with these people, and that's work. 407 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: We're working on. 408 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: Our remand numbers and other things are tracking really well. 409 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: So what we're doing is moving in the right direction. 410 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: But where you know, there's plenty to do. We've got 411 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 3: oc spray coming one September. We've got the police public 412 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 3: safety officers starting in December, ready for rollout Q one 413 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: next year. So the reform work continues, Katie, and we 414 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 3: keep changing the laws. We've got ready to go for. Sorry, 415 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 3: July is our Youth Justice Act review. We've got a 416 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: ball Act review on foot and a bunch of other stuff. 417 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 3: So the pipeline in terms of us as a government, 418 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: what we're working on, that pipeline has not slowed down. 419 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: In fact, it's increased. 420 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: So you have legislation ready to go, ready for others 421 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: to actually viewed to have a look at in July 422 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: around the. 423 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 2: Youth Justice that's correct, that was ready to go for that. 424 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: So what changes can we anticipate here? Because you and 425 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: I have spoken about this Act quite a bit, and 426 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: you know from what I can gather, there are loopholes 427 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: to get youths off for just about anything. 428 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 2: Yep. 429 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 3: And we're gonna have to do it in two tranches 430 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: as well. That's how ridiculous the Youth Justice Act has 431 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 3: been constructed. So we were hoping to do it all 432 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: in one go, but we can't because we're revisiting the 433 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: entire way diversion works, which is really important because we 434 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 3: promise people there would be mandatory diversions. 435 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: I think is that gonna happen? 436 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think everyone thinks, you know, diversion has 437 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 3: almost become a dirty word because people don't believe in it, right, 438 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 3: and so we need to restore confidence in that. So 439 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 3: we're taking a much bigger look at that now as 440 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 3: part of a Trance two and trans one will have 441 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: you know, a dozen plus reforms around a number of 442 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 3: things that happened, and a lot of that came from police. 443 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 3: We've had a big a working group between Corrections, police, 444 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 3: an Attorney generals and Justice working through this so that 445 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 3: reform will be ready for Parliament July and then for 446 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 3: passage in September, and then the rest will come through 447 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 3: later in the year. 448 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: All right, we better let you go. But before I 449 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: let you go, Territory Day tomorrow, the fireworks have arrived. 450 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: How are you going to be celebrating? 451 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: It's so exciting. I'll be down at Mindle Beach. I 452 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 2: get to push a huge red button. 453 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: To set up a fireworks and then hopefully when I 454 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 3: get home my family saved. 455 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: Some for me, but I'm not counting on it. 456 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: So Chief Minister, good to speak with you this morning. 457 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time. 458 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: Take care everyone and Happy terror day tomorrow. 459 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: Thank you,