1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. Coming up on the show, 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: The Fire Festival ignites debate over the responsibility of influencer marketing. 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Nadia Bartel, labeled a diva and a monster, wagged why 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: the media is so quick to blame women and the 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: unwanted kiss that sparked outrage. 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: But first, how are your weeks? 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: My week was pretty good. I spent most of the 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: weekend actually just looking at for new furniture because Kate 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: and I are going to be moving out in a 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: few months time, which is quite sad. 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: We've only been living. 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: Together for the last thirty years, so we're going through 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: We're actually dividing up our furniture at the moment, and 14 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: we've just been fighting about what people are going to take. 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: It's almost like a divorce, a divorce of sisters living 16 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: together for thirty years. The most hotly debated things are 17 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: which Christmas decorations are people are going to get? 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: Oh? 19 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: Are they going to start that TV debate again? Just 20 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: a bit concerned about Oh. It's funny because our mum 21 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: suggested that we go around the house and put stickers 22 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: on items that we want to keep. But I don't 23 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: think we've actually started doing that yet, I don't know 24 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: how fair that is. There's a lot of things that 25 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: I don't want that I think are going to go 26 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: your way. Well, talking about things I don't want, it's 27 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: actually sparked a bit of debate between my boyfriend and 28 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: I because we're moving out together and he and I 29 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: have extremely different tastes in furniture we've discovered, which came 30 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: into a bit of a shock to me and I 31 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: think to. 32 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: You guys as well, considering what he likes. 33 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: How is it a shot that because haven't you seen 34 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: his furniture in his house? Yeah, but I just assumed 35 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: his furniture was his sort of bachelor pad furniture and 36 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: would be discarded when we moved in together. So for 37 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: those who don't know, what type of furniture does he like? 38 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: Because I want to hold my comments because I know 39 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: he'll probably listen to this. No, I think he stopped 40 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: listening because we talked too much about The Bachelor, but. 41 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: He so or was it the strip clubs? For possibly? 42 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: No, he really likes wooden, old antique furniture. So the 43 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: hotly contested issue has been whose bed is going to 44 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: be taken to the new house. I know you'll get 45 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: in trouble for saying it, So I get in trouble. 46 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: But it is the ugliest bed. 47 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: I have ever seen. 48 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: It's from some old Italian couple from thirty years ago 49 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: that he got off gum Tree. 50 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: It's hideous. Well, I think I'll have to share a photo. 51 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: I'll put it up. I'll put a little poll up 52 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: on our Instagram. 53 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to put a photo of his current bed 54 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: and then the bed I want. And if you guys 55 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: could vote, and honestly, don't just vote for the one 56 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: I want, You honestly tell us which one you think 57 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: is the nicest. And while we're doing polls of ugly furniture, 58 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: I should probably put up because I'm moving in with 59 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: my boyfriend as well, I should probably put up his 60 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: carpet in his run to words are polling. Not that 61 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: he hates it as well, so it's not like he. 62 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: Actually likes it. 63 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: What about your week, Sophie, Well, I capped the week 64 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: off with a nice win at the show. Actually you 65 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: didn't win it. 66 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: It doesn't count if your boyfriend win. Well, I paid 67 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: it for him to do this, did you really? I did? 68 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: That's what that's that was what the so he didn't 69 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: really win it for you? Then, well, he did win 70 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: it for me because I paid him to win it. 71 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: Did you get as much joy having him win it? So? Yeah, 72 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: it is because I wouldn't have been able to win 73 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: it myself. I won. Brandon won me a massive simber. 74 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: It's actually bigger than me. For those who don't know, 75 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: Brandon is obviously Sophie's boyfriend. 76 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: And what will you be doing with the simber? 77 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: Well, he's currently sitting in my bedroom next to my 78 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: other two toys that brand had won on previous occasions 79 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: for me. 80 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: What now? 81 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: Moving on, the infamous Fire Festival is back in the 82 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: headlines with new supermodels. Kendall Jenner and Emily Radikowski are 83 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: being sued for their paid promotion of the failed festival, 84 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: which was the subject of an explosive Netflix documentary. The 85 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: Events Trustees Gregory Messer, filed for bankruptcy this week and 86 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: is seeking to recover money paid to talent agencies, performers, vendors, 87 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: and other entities connected. 88 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: To the festival. 89 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: Okay, for those who haven't seen the documentary, why did 90 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: the Fire Festival spark so much controversy? Well, that was 91 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: put on and promoted as this amazing, luxurious music festival 92 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: and all the biggest names in music and also influencers 93 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: were going to be in the Bahamas putting on this 94 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: amazing show, and it ended up being a completely fraudulent event. 95 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: So all the music acts dropped out last minute. 96 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: They couldn't get any of the villas or any accommodation, 97 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: so they use hurricane tents. The food that was promoted 98 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: was this amazing spread and they literally got sandwiches in 99 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: a plastic packet and that there's a tweet that actually 100 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: went viral about how terrible. 101 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: The food was. 102 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: That was what was interesting about the festival. There was 103 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: that amazing quote I think in the documentary that said 104 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: it took all these megastar influences to build up a 105 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: festival like that, but it took one tweet of a 106 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: cheese slice on a sandwich to ruin the whole event. 107 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: It was just a monumental fuck up, really, wasn't it. 108 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: I mean, from watching it unravel, it was unbelievable. They 109 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: didn't pull the pin earlier. And as we've touched on, 110 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: a massive part of the festival was the influencer involvement. 111 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: You know, big names. As we said like Kendall Jenner, 112 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: and now they're facing the repercussions of their Instagram post 113 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: promoting the event. 114 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: So, Sophie, what. 115 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: Has Kendall Jenna actually been accused of. Well, the lawsuit 116 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: claims that Jenna was paid two hundred and seventy five 117 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: thousand dollars for a single social media post, and in 118 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: that post, she was accused of baiting fans into thinking 119 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: that Kanye West would actually perform at the music festival, 120 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: and she did so by saying the Good Music Family 121 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: will be joining us or inferring that they will be 122 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: joining us, and that the Good Music label was set 123 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: up by Kanye West himself. She's also criticized because she 124 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: didn't include in her post that it was a paid 125 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: advert and that's what's getting her in a lot of 126 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: trouble at the moment. And for those who don't know, 127 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: currently in Australia, since twenty seventeen, it's actually been illegal 128 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: for influencers not to disclose when they're actually being paid 129 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: by a brand to put up at sponsored content. So 130 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: it is required that you put hashtag ad if you 131 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 1: are advertising something, and some of the fines are crazy. 132 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: I think for an individual, you can be fined around 133 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars, and it can be up to 134 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: a million if you are a company that doesn't disclose 135 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: you are advertising something. I actually find that really surprising 136 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: because I see so many influences promoting products and they 137 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: don't actually use the ad hashtag. Does anyone know does 138 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: that include if you're promoting your own personal product? Because 139 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: I know Sarah's Day always promotes her body bloom and 140 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: active way. Well, I'm guessing it wouldn't because she's not 141 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: being paid for it. 142 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: That's really that's a. 143 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: Really interesting question because you are promoting your own product. 144 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 145 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: I suppose because she almost is a name in itself. 146 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: When she posts something, you assume that it's part of 147 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: her brand and part of her product. So has Kendall 148 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: actually come out and said anything about the fallout? So 149 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: Kendall's yet to actually publicly comment on the lawsuit itself, 150 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: but she did come out around the time that the 151 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: documentary was released, and she said to The New York Times. 152 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: You get reached out to by people to whether it 153 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: be to promote or help or whatever, and you never 154 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: know how these things are going to turn out. 155 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's a risk. 156 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: I definitely do as much research as I can, but 157 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: sometimes there isn't much research you can do because it's 158 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: a starting brand and you kind of have to have 159 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: faith in. 160 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: It and hope it will work out the way people say. 161 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: Well, just when I was reading that, I could just 162 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: imagine Chris Jenna like hurriedly googling Fire Festival trying to 163 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: find out information. So that's a complete cop out. She's 164 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: accepting two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars, which is 165 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: more than, you know, triple what people quadruple what people 166 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: make in a year, and you can't do your research 167 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: enough into it. Yeah, but what about traditional marketing? So 168 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: if a model is appearing in a Chanel ad for 169 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: some perfume and then that perfume ends up causing a 170 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: rash on someone, is that that model's fault for promoting? Well, 171 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: isn't it also kind of dangerous for them to lend 172 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: themselves to a new brand that's not. 173 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: Tried and tested. 174 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: They're wondering why they're getting these huge amounts of money 175 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: thrown at them. To be fair, I don't understand how 176 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: Kendall Jenna was actually meant to know what the outcome 177 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: of the Fire Festival was. I think it was a 178 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: huge shock. When the festival has so much backing and 179 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: there's so much hype around it, it's probably hard for 180 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: them to actually research. I understand that she doesn't have 181 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: a crystal ball to for see what's going to happen. 182 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: But at the same time, after the fall that, did 183 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: she put out a message apologizing and you know, saying 184 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: she didn't want to be part of it. Did she 185 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: do any of that after the festival? I suppose that's 186 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: not really what we're debating, though, we're debating where the 187 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: responsibility lies. I do think that Kendall Jenna does have 188 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: a responsibility to her fans. She should have put that 189 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't at and she shouldn't have misled the public 190 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: to think that Kanye West was going to be there. 191 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: But I think it's unfair to sort of place a 192 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: lot of blame on her because she could not foresee 193 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: that the Fire Festival is going to be such a flop. 194 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: I don't think they should get paid that much to 195 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: promote an event. 196 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: I think it's obscene. 197 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: I think I disagree. I think the money should be 198 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: given back. It was two hundred and seventy five thousand 199 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: dollars to promote a festival that failed on all accounts. 200 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: The thing is, I'm just a bit confused where this 201 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: money is going, because if it's going straight back to 202 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: the people who bought tickets of this fraudulent festival, then great. 203 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: But it seems to be the trustee is the one 204 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: that is suing her. Why should he get the money? 205 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I don't agree with what 206 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: you're saying. So I don't think the owner should be 207 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: on a social media influencer that if the product fucks up, 208 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: that it's their fault. I think that there definitely needs 209 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: to be more restrictions around, you know, promoting the fact 210 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: that this is an ad I think you're completely wrong. 211 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: Though we constantly put onus on people who promote skinny 212 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: tea and negligent products like that, this is the case 213 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: of a product that has not met its expectations. Like 214 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: I like to know what research did you do that? What? 215 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: But what research? 216 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: So if someone came to you and you're a huge influence, 217 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: when they said I want to pay you over two 218 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: hundred ground to promote this music festival, what research would 219 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: you do into it? Wasn't Billy McFarland like it was 220 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: quite known for his strange handling. But how how is 221 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: Kendall Jennis supposed to know that if you've got people 222 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: like rule in it, if there's all this these promoking mirrors, 223 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: these others. But she's not to know that. You only 224 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: knows if it's not her that's dealing with it. It's 225 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: a team of professionals that would surely know who they're 226 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: dealing with. Sophie, I'm sorry, but does that mean the 227 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: onus is on the people that purchased the tickets to 228 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: do some investigating into the company that they're buying from. 229 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 2: Because when people buy things. 230 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: Because they're purchasing something, no, no, Safie, Remember when you 231 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: being paid for something? 232 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: I bought that jacket online for Brandon and your money 233 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: got went missing? 234 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: Who was the owners on you because you didn't check 235 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: if I wasn't being paid for the jacket. 236 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: I know, but you're but. 237 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, I think, not stupid. We're we're 238 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: not placing the blame on the people that bought the tickets. 239 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: So you don't think that someone who's been paid two 240 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five thousand dollars to put up an 241 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: orange tile. So does that mean that the marketing company 242 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: that also assisted them, and the ticketing company that also 243 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: assisted them, and every other company that assisted them and 244 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: all those but you're forgetting activity. She's actually being sued 245 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: for misleading the public that Kanye West was going to 246 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: perform there and for not saying that it's an act 247 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: and not being sued for being part of it. She's 248 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: being sued for being misleading and how many people. I 249 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: think that that's I think that I agree with Kate 250 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: in that I think that the onus isn't necessarily on 251 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: Kendall Jenna to do, you know, hours and hours of 252 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: research on this festival, because can we just like, it's 253 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: not Kendall Jenna doing the hours of research, it's probably 254 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: Chris Jenner or her management doing it, not her. 255 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: Sophie, thank you for clearing that up. 256 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: Obviously it's not Kendall Jenner, but you were referencing saying 257 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: that it was Kendall Jenner, So I'm just responding to you. 258 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is she should have put hashtag AD 259 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: or her people whoever uploaded it should have put hashtag AD. 260 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: But I'd think that it's it's it's now in hindsight 261 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: we say, oh, well, you know she's missing. You know 262 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: she shouldn't have promoted this event. But I think what 263 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: we're dealing with is a huge con man who conned 264 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people into thinking this. 265 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: Was a legitimate event. 266 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: But I think it also raises a very important question 267 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: of if influencers are accepting these huge sums of money, 268 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: there needs to be responsibility in their message. They're happy 269 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: to take the good that goes with it, like the 270 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: huge paychecks, but they're not happy to take the bad 271 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: with it. I'm sorry, but what a society are we 272 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: now living in. I think we're all pretty savvy on 273 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: Instagram to know that whenever influencer a you know, talking 274 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: about a product or an event, I'm pretty switched on 275 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: to know that they've been paid to do. But then, 276 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: and Kate, you're a thirty year old woman. You're not 277 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: a twelve to fifteen year old. 278 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: Girl who you're savvy than us. 279 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think I think telve year 280 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: old girls buying tickets to Fire Festival in the Bahamas. Yeah, 281 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: but I'm talking about but when you're talking about putting 282 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: ad in a broader sense. So when girls are promoting it, 283 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: but cametic disagreeing. I think Kate agrees that they should 284 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: have a hashtag ad, but she's saying it's very difficult. 285 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: It's very difficult to have foreseen what was actually going 286 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: to happen with this fire festival. 287 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: No. 288 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: I mean I think, yeah, okay, now we can start 289 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: regulating it a bit more. But I'm just saying, how 290 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: much do we have to baby people these days with 291 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: online stuff? 292 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: It's obvious it's a bloody ad. 293 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: Do you think, out of the goodness of her heart, 294 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: she's promoting this amazing festival in the Bahamas, of course, 295 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: not like it's just ugh. 296 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: I don't think it's. 297 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: Good to keep them in check. I mean, they get 298 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: paid so much bloody money. You're going to get paid 299 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: all this money regardless. Why do we have to be 300 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: so jealous of the fact that they're earning money. If 301 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: you were approached by the Fire Festival to promote it 302 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: for two hundred thousand dollars, you would have done it 303 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: the exact same. I would also be quite apologetic to 304 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: my fans who had been misled. 305 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 2: I thought she was. I thought she put out an apology. 306 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: Do you know what if someone approached me with two 307 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to promote a festival, and the money 308 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: when in my account, I'd probably be thinking it's quite legit, 309 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: probably too good to be true. No, you'd be think 310 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: how much Koatella would pay them. I'm sorry, Sophie, you're 311 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: talking about Kendall Jenner. Who would get who got paid? 312 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: How much she got paid a shitload from Tiffany's to 313 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: I think that was only fifty thousand dollars to come 314 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: over though she wouldn't get out of bed for fifty 315 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. It would have been hundreds of thousands if 316 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: this would be a normal transaction for her on Instagram 317 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: because she has millions and millions of followers. I was 318 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: thinking that two hundred grand or Kendall wouldn't have been 319 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: that much, considering the complete opulence that they live in. 320 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: I think the outcome of the case is definitely going 321 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: to open a huge can of worms in the UK. 322 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: Already it's sparking huge debate. The Advertising Standards Authority has 323 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: already sent two hundred to three hundred warnings to social 324 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: media influences around the UK for posts that they deem 325 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: as breaching the advertising standards. So they are claiming that 326 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: there are influencers who are misleading the public by not 327 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: actually putting hashtag AD on posts that they are using. 328 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: To promote products. And do you guys remember Olivia Buckland 329 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: from Love Island. 330 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, basically she's been reprimanded by the Advertising Standards 331 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: Authority in the UK after she posted a video to 332 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: Instagram last year where she applied eyeshadow for a particular 333 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: palette and stated how great it was, but she failed 334 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: to actually mention that it was an AD. But what 335 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: was interesting was the brand in question defended the claims 336 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: and said the former Love Islander was a brand ambassador 337 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: for them, so you know, they basically said, well, she 338 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: includes that she is a brand ambassador on her Instagram 339 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: bio and that she's previously posted about being in a 340 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: brand ambassador, so. 341 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: People should know. 342 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: Is there a blurred line over stuff like that? It 343 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: definitely is confusing because a lot of influencers, once they 344 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: have a following, they then create their own products. So 345 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I was just looking at Tylia Skeins and 346 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: she is promoting the hell out of this villa that 347 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: she's created, but there's no ad hashtag. I actually just 348 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: scrolled through her newsfeed and she's always talking about her 349 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: discount code on Princess Polly and whatnot, But there's nowhere 350 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: that she puts AD. But you know, if someone's saying, 351 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: here's my discount code, is that enough of a gesture 352 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: that it's a paid promotion. Well, I was just thinking, 353 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: even with Sophie and my business, the pr Bible I 354 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: put up, I created a video that was speaking our 355 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: services to create video content, and I don't put hashtag AD. 356 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: So I think it's different. 357 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: If it's from a business account, it's obviously that you're 358 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: promoting something, but it's any time that you're actually paid 359 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: by somebody to say nice things about a product, then 360 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: you need to disclose that it is an AD. And 361 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: I feel what's the difference between Tylia Scans doing on 362 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: her personal Instagram talking about her villa. That's because it's 363 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: her own villa. She's not being paid by an outside source. 364 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: Another blurred line. Of course, it's still being influential. So 365 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: if Talia Skanes owned her own t detox, she would 366 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: still she would be under fire for that. I actually 367 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: can see where you're coming from. I mean, is it 368 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: is a confusing topic, and maybe that's why influencers aren't 369 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: adding hashtag ad because they're confused about whether Wait a second, 370 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm advertising my own products, but I'm advertising this And 371 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: that's what Olivia Bucklan actually copped. She got in trouble 372 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: a second time this year by the ASA for a post. 373 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: It was actually quite funny. 374 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: It was a Valentine's Day post and she had fake 375 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: tan on and just from the picture I immediately could 376 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: identify that it was an ad. 377 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: She's holding the product in. 378 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: Her hand, and I think she thought that she could 379 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: get away with writing she put hashtag brand ambassador, but 380 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: again that was ruled as not being enough. It was 381 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: said they said that it was misleading and that she 382 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: needs to use the word ad. So it's funny how 383 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: adamant they are that the word ad is used in 384 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: these advertisements. That just made me think, obviously there's brand ambassadors, 385 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: but what about someone like Shanie Grimman who worked or 386 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: even Sarah's Day. They work with the White Fox boutique 387 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: and they bring out their own line, but at the 388 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: end of the day, White Fox boutiques getting a big 389 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: chunk of the money, Like, do they need to put 390 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: AD on that it is going to be interesting to 391 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: watch and we'll keep you updated on the outcome of 392 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: the Kendall Jenner lawsuit. Moving on, AFL's golden couple, Jimmy 393 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: and Nadia Bartel have called it quits following salacious cheating rumors. 394 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: It's alleged Nadia discovered the former Geelong star was cheating 395 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: on her with a woman living in the UK. Despite 396 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: Nadia being left heartbroken, She's been labeled a diva and 397 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: a monster wag and blamed for. 398 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: Pushing them apart. 399 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: So why do we always blame the woman when there's 400 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: real of cheating. For those who haven't been following the story, 401 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: I know you have, Sophie, Can you tell us what's unfolded? Well? 402 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: Rumors started circulating when fans noticed that Nadia wasn't wearing 403 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: her wedding ring in several photos that were posted to 404 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: Instagram and then a few days past, and fans also 405 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: noticed that Jimmy and Nadia had unfollowed each other in 406 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: social media. Were you one of those fans? No, I 407 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: actually didn't notice it this time. I don't follow Jimmy 408 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: Bartell to be honest, because I'm not really that invested 409 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: in Nadia Bartell's life. But I was quite shocked to 410 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: hear that, because I know, I don't know. I've always 411 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: seen her and Jimmy as being one of the golden couples. 412 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: And you know, you hear of scumbag footballers cheating on 413 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: their wives, but I didn't think Jimmy Buttell was like that, Well, 414 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: I follow Nadia and I love her and her hair. 415 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: I'm so I love her in her hair. I thought 416 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: you're gonna say her and her kids. 417 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: Her hair is incredible. She's got incredible hair and style. 418 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I was shocked because they look so perfect 419 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: on Instagram. And also she was just pregnant and only 420 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: just gave birth to her son not long ago. 421 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: Do you know what I've just thought? 422 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: Remember, I think it was in our second episode we 423 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: discussed Beck Judd's advice on how you can tell an 424 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: Instagram couples on the Rocks, and remember she said that 425 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: if they post sort of images of them always together 426 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: and they'm always saying these lovely things, then maybe something's 427 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: not quite right. 428 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: Now did they post? 429 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: Did she? Pat? Judd's really good friends with her, so 430 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: I don't think she'd try and elude that public. 431 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: No, But she might not have. 432 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: She might have just said it sort of on the slide. 433 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: Maybe she noticed that something was going wrong, And who 434 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: doesn't think that about their friends, Like you know when 435 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: you see your friends post all this, well, not your friends, 436 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: but you know people you don't know how close they 437 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: actually are, but you know you'll see something and you'd 438 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's interesting because I thought they were 439 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: having a big argument and then they've posted that. It's 440 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: not like you're actually being mean, you're just picking up 441 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: on her. I think the thing that's particularly tough for 442 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: Nadia is that, in the real word, when you break 443 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: up with someone, you kind of go into hiding. But 444 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: she's got paparazzi surrounding her house, she can't leave, and 445 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: she's been forced to make a statement, And in the 446 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: statement she outlined that she was heartbroken, but she didn't 447 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: want to comment specific on what's been reported about Jimmy's. 448 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: Trips to the UK. 449 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: And I thought that she's handled the situation with such grace, 450 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: considering you know, so many other women would come out 451 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: and blame and air their dirty laundry. Also, what I 452 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: think is great that she's had a lot of influential 453 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: women like we touched on beck Yard sticking up for 454 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: her and actually telling her story without her having to 455 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: come out and spill all this salacious rumors. I think 456 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: she's handled herself very well, and hats off to Nadia 457 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: and her beautiful hair. Well, the thing that has really 458 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: pissed me off this week is New Ideas article where 459 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: they have labeled Nadia a monster wag and a diva, 460 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 1: and you know they're saying, oh the truth at lasts, 461 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: why they're really split, And as our grandpa said, New 462 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: Idea hasn't had a new idea in years, and I 463 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: think they've really got to start actually finding sympathy for 464 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: the victim. If this is the same magazine that reports 465 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: every weekend that Megan Markle's broken up with Harry, or 466 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: she's having triplets, or you know, Kate Middleton her are 467 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: having a catfire, Like, how does anyone take any validity 468 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: from this rag? Well, the supposed insider that's quoted in 469 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: the article said that Nadia caught Jimmy's eye originally for 470 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: being a sweet girl next door and now she's having 471 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: this pressure to maintain her wag status. Who the fuck 472 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: at thirty four cares about being a wag. 473 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: I don't think any of them care. 474 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: I think the reality of being a wag would just 475 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: be absolutely awful. And I think that once they've had 476 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: their kids and their footballers. 477 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 2: Now got his beer belly and whatever. 478 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: I think the shine of being on the brown, low 479 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: red carpet well and truly has probably worn. The thing 480 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: that annoyed a lot of people about this article is 481 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: that it's making Jimmy out to be the innocent party 482 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: in all of this and saying that you know, Nadia 483 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: is consumed by power and money and status. He doesn't 484 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,479 Speaker 1: even play football anymore, who cares. I would argue that 485 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: Nadia is more famous than Jimmy Bartel at the moment. 486 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: And I also feel it's actually a power couple. They 487 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: actually need each I mean, Jimmy Bartel, I wouldn't even 488 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: give I wouldn't even give two shits about him. I 489 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: follow Nadia, I fellow followed Beck Jadd. I don't follow 490 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: Chris jad. I couldn't give a shit what he's doing 491 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: now at this time, they're both bloody retired. And I 492 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: think the interesting thing that's come out of this article 493 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: is former Big Brother contestant Tully came out and posted 494 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: online a response that she wanted to give to New Idea. 495 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: Now apparently Tully is quite good friends with Nadia and 496 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: she wanted to reply monster wag Adeva, are you serious? 497 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: What happened to doing your due diligence? He cheated, That's 498 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: why they split end of story, and that did spark 499 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: a lot of conversation. I mean, why is it that 500 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: when a woman has a public profile, the media tends 501 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: to look towards the victim for fault. I mean, we 502 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: look at Chloe kardash In, Victoria Beck and Lara Bingle 503 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: and now Nadia Bartell. The blame is always on the woman, 504 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: not the man who cheated. To begin with, it was 505 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: quite promising because we had publications like The Herald Son 506 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: who actually covered the story really well and were on 507 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: Nadia side. And I think that was pushed a lot 508 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: by the fact that one of nadia As friends works 509 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: at the Confidential and then also having Beck Jard and 510 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: her other friends push that narrative online as well. But 511 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: it just comes down to the point where the media 512 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: want to continue talking about this story. They obviously have 513 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: no news to add to it, so they're now just 514 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: making up shit. And what's more interesting is women love 515 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: gossiping about women? Actually, what are they going to do? 516 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: They're gonna it's tall poppy syndrome in Australia. They're going 517 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: to drag Nadia bar tail down because let's be honest, 518 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: who isn't jealous when they look flicked through the perfect 519 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: photos and who doesn't get a little you know, it's 520 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: human nature, sadly that people get a little bit of 521 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: a kick out of it when someone drops down the 522 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: perch a little bit. Having previously worked as an online 523 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: content producer at a radio station, I know these kind 524 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: of clickbait headlines work and women click on them in 525 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: their drives. I would probably click on the article be like, oh, 526 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: monster wag, what's that all about? So do you know 527 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: what in order for it to stop, we actually as 528 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: consumers need to go. I'm not going to buy that magazine. 529 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to click on that headline if I'm 530 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: so upset by the connotation that it must be Nadia 531 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: Bartel's fault and not Jimmy's, even though he cheated. I 532 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: think it's also human nature for us to hear a 533 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: story about cheating and want to add background on nw 534 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: once to it. So we must think there's something else 535 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: about this story. There has to be a reason, There 536 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: has to be something that we can do to avoid 537 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: it happening in our own lives. So that's why a 538 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: lot of the time it's turned on the victim. So 539 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: we want to look at their flaws and what makes 540 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: them wrong to make us feel more reassured in our 541 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: own relationships. But what we need to realize is there's 542 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: so many reasons why men cheat, and we need to 543 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: stop being so quick to believe that we have no control. 544 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: A man has no control over his behavior, and it's 545 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: us women that have failed if we don't keep them faithful. 546 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: But I suppose it's hard for people because Jimmy Bartel 547 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: has been painted as this golden boy for so long 548 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: that now people want to they don't want to for 549 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: that to change. It's so easy to paint a wag 550 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: as a nasty person that's just riding on someone's coattails. Well, 551 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: the other negative betrayal has been Lauren the new girl, 552 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: supposed girl friend. I mean, she's also been tagged as 553 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: a wannabe wag and there's this big, pitted, you know, 554 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: cat fight between them. But are we surprised I mean, 555 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: everyone knows Jimmy Bartell and Nadia Bateell are married. It's 556 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: pretty public. They know that they've got kids. So I'm 557 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: not really bothered about if this woman has been painted 558 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: as a bit of a deckcad because, as you said, sorry, 559 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: but girl code, that is bad behavior. 560 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: Oh I agree. 561 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: I think if she has gone into this relationship knowing 562 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: clearly that Jimmy is married to Nadi, I think it's 563 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: disgusting behavior. But at the same time, why I think 564 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: we should be concentrating more. There have been a few 565 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: articles about this great support that Nadia's friends have showed it. 566 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: Why can't we be focusing on that narrative instead of 567 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: women tearing it? We have, and now it's moved on 568 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: because that's not fun to promote. It's fun to promote 569 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: the cat fights. I'd actually be interested to see from 570 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: a media perspective, which articles are more popular, which one's 571 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: got Which online articles got more clickscause I can tell 572 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: you probably the monster wag narrative. So we actually have 573 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: to take some responsibility and look at ourselves. But that's 574 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: the type of media they're putting out because they think 575 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: that's what we want to consume. 576 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: We've got to be honest. 577 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: A lot of people do have a problem with wags, 578 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: and when you probably see an article about them all 579 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: backing each other and oh, they've got each other's back, 580 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: so you kind of be like, oh, yawn. But for 581 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: us normal people, when you see a monster wag, you're 582 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: kind of like, this isn't everyday life for you. So 583 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: it is interesting to get that little bit of an 584 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: insight into I've read it and it just made me 585 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: so mad that this woman who's lost everything now is 586 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: being painted as the perpetrator and this it's her fault 587 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: that he's cheated because. 588 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: She's so awful. 589 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: So I'm really interested to see how this story evolves 590 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: and what other crap that they can come up with. 591 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I hope that they actually do start shining 592 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: the spotlight on Jimmy Bytel, because he is just one 593 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: of a string of athletes that would be treating their 594 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: wives and girlfriends like this, and why don't we do 595 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: an expose on that and the prevalence of cheating in 596 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: professional sport because that is something that I would be 597 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: interested to read about. And I think we can end 598 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 1: this conversation by saying that Nadia has held herself with 599 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: such grace and she's been faced with such a difficult 600 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: circumstance in Melbourne. Football is everything and I really hope 601 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: that the media give her the respect and space that 602 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: she deserves to just get on with her life and 603 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: look after a two kids without harassing her further. 604 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: And now to the top headlines. This one's from Tap. 605 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: These are the huge sponsorship deals the Islanders have bagged 606 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: since the villa. So it's really interesting because you supposedly 607 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: go and love Ireland to find love, but you're actually 608 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: finding massive sponsorship deals. Molly May, a fan favorite, has 609 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: bagged five hundred thousand pounds for a deal. 610 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: With Pretty Little Things. It's just incredible. 611 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: And I saw she has three million followers on Instagram. 612 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: Do you know what's funny? 613 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: I love when these influencers bring out their own lines 614 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: because you just wonder how much they have to actually. 615 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: Do with the designing of the clothes. 616 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm thinking very little, just pointing to oh yeah, like that, 617 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: like the probably disappearing in the photos as well. And 618 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: Molly May isn't the only former contestant who's scored a 619 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: huge sponsorship deal. Maura Higgins has signed a six figure 620 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: deal with the lingerie brand as well as becoming a 621 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: Booho Ambassador, so she'll be the face of her own 622 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,239 Speaker 1: Christmas line and plus part of special projects that are 623 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: coming up. I think Tommy is also a Boohoo ambassador 624 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: as well as well as India, so it should be interesting. 625 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: This is quite a prestigious thing to be a boo 626 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: Who investor apparently. And the next headline is my favorite 627 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: of the week. It's from Vogue and it says the 628 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: Bachelorette Australia's Lee Elliott proposed to Georgia Love with a 629 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: draw dropping engagement ring. And I just think there's been 630 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: so much love and excitement around this story. We've been 631 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: waiting three years for this to happen, and I think 632 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: it's so beautiful that it happened outside of the show, 633 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: because we've really been able to watch their relationship blossom 634 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: online and they've been through so much adversity and come 635 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: out on the other end. I was so excited to 636 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: see this pop up in my news feed. I love 637 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: Georgia and Lee, the one of my favorite couples from 638 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: the show show, and it just seemed so genuinely in love. 639 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: You know. I've heard a lot of I've you heard 640 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: a few podcasts with both of them minute and they 641 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: just they're not trying to impress anyone. They're just running 642 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: their own marathon. And I've got to say I loved 643 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: her nail art. She has come out and said that 644 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't planned that she has had the design, so 645 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: people who don't know on her ring finger, she had 646 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: little love hearts drawn on it, So I thought, oh gosh, 647 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: it was this actually staged and she's just put up 648 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: the photo, you know, a day or so after she's 649 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: been proposed to But it wasn't at all. 650 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: Other than the nail art. I love the ring. How 651 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 2: nice was it? 652 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: Oh, it's so nice. It's a beautiful ring. Well the 653 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: job Lee well apparently he designed it himself. And what 654 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: was even more special is Georgia revealed today that they 655 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: he proposed to her on the Hawkesbury River and it 656 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: was actually in the boat that they were on on 657 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: their first date. So I thought that was so cute. 658 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: That is really nice. 659 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: And they had some incredible photos. There was one taking 660 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: it from a drone of the proposal happening right then. 661 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how they. 662 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 2: Did it, so don't mind that that's just a drone 663 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: overhead for no particular reason. 664 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: But you raised a very good question though with the 665 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: nail art, and it was one that we were talking 666 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: about earlier in the week because we've had a few 667 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: friends or acquaintances request to their boyfriends that they kind 668 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: of give them the hint to get a manicure before 669 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: they pop. 670 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: The question, how is that a surprise? 671 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: Then they should just try and have good nails, like 672 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: for that year that they just get the ring and 673 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: then go, oh, I better fire my nails or something. 674 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: I suppose you want photo in the moment. Yeah, you're 675 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: got to take the photo in the moment, like I 676 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: do know of a blogger who did request this was 677 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: the blogger who requested that her boyfriend tell her about 678 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: her fingernails, and she got proposed to in the most 679 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: extravagant way. It literally looked like they were professional photographers. 680 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: They're capturing every moment, and I always think, are the 681 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: people actually is the moment that special if there's a 682 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: bunch of other people there. I actually think that's pretty pathetic. 683 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: I Mean, we all joke that, yeah, it'd be nice 684 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: to have nice nails, but is that your if that's 685 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: your key issue, like can you just reflect on life 686 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: and think? God, can't I just be happy that I've 687 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: just been proposed to? 688 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 2: Like is that not enough? 689 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: I mean, who it seems like it's for everyone else's better, 690 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: it's just to show off. Moving on to the next headline, 691 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: Lisay was angered by unwanted kiss in front of charity 692 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: dinner crowd. And that's by The Guardian so ABC presenter 693 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 1: Li Sales. He's absolute legendary journalist. She was at a 694 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: charity ball. When she went up on stage, she was 695 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: introduced by Phil Newman, the director of the Multiple Sclerosis 696 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: charity and a retired businessman. He offered his cheek for 697 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: Lee to peck, and then as she was leaning in, 698 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: he turned his head and suddenly planted an unwanted kiss 699 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: on her lips. That is so gross and I'm sorry, 700 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: but I can see how that happens. I find it 701 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: really awkward because you know, when you're greeting people and 702 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: you never know you do that awkward little dance where 703 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: you go for the cheek or you don't know where 704 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: they're going to shake your hand. Oh that just and 705 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 1: it's so appalling that you know he's come out casted 706 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: off as a joke. 707 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 2: That's not funny. 708 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: You could definitely tell how awkward Lee was because as 709 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: soon as it happened, she actually said in the microphone 710 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: hashtag me too, So you could tell that this was 711 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: an obviously an unwanted kiss, an uncomfortable situation. 712 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: Who does this man actually. 713 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: Think he is doing that in front of a crowd 714 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 1: as well? Well? The worst thing was the article then 715 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: goes on to say that he approached Lee after the 716 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: incident on stage and put out his cheek again for 717 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: her to kiss, and she got really angry at this 718 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: stage and told them to go away. And he's later 719 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: come out. 720 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: And just labeled it as a joke and laughed it off. 721 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 2: That do you know what? 722 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: That is what annoys me anytime these pig men get 723 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: in trouble they go, oh. 724 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: It's just a joke. 725 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: Well, do you know what. 726 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 2: We don't find it funny. 727 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: Why do we have to go, oh, yeah, it's just 728 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: a joke. 729 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 2: It's not. 730 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: That is sexual harassment, That is unwanted advances in front 731 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: of a crowd of people. You cannot laugh this kind 732 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: of stuff off as a joke. It is twenty nineteen, 733 00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: And that's why she said it was so important for 734 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: her to come forward because it was witnessed by a 735 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: large group of people, so she said she thought it 736 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: would It was gutless for her not to stand up 737 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,959 Speaker 1: and say that this kind of behavior isn't tolerated in 738 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: society anymore. I really do hope this makes a change, 739 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: because I think it's actually more prevalent than we think. 740 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,479 Speaker 1: These types of sexual harassment turned into a joke, and 741 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,479 Speaker 1: good on Lee, as you said, and I hope that 742 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: that's the end of the story and we don't have 743 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: any more ridiculous stories being turned on her. So moving 744 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: on to our favorite influences of the week, Kate, who 745 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: have you been watching? My new favorite at the moment 746 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,719 Speaker 1: is Gary Vee. So he is an entrepreneur who is 747 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: trying to change how people perceive success. So he's actually 748 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: earned so much money in a variety of different businesses, 749 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: but he now wants people to see happiness as more 750 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: of a currency rather than money. And he does these 751 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: amazing talks, and he's also very passionate about communications and 752 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: digital marketing, and I just love listening to him talk. 753 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: So he does a daily podcast which is usually excerpts 754 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: from different speeches he's done he has a YouTube channel. 755 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 1: He's constantly posting on Instagram and he's just a bloody legend. 756 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: I have been loving Gary V too. If you haven't already, 757 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,720 Speaker 1: check out his YouTube channel. He does this amazing segment 758 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: called trash Talk, and as Kate said, he's a millionaire, 759 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: but he goes down on the weekends and he'll go 760 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: to garage sales and he'll buy items for about a 761 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: dollar and then sell them for fifty dollars. So I 762 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: think in one episode he had ten dollars and. 763 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 2: He made four hundred dollars off it or something incredible. 764 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: It just made me want to go down to our 765 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: nearest op shop and buy a whole load of crowd 766 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: and sell it. I get paid out for this, but 767 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: I love. My guilty pleasure is watching Saffron Barker. Now. 768 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: She is a nineteen year old English girl who has 769 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: over I think it's over three million followers and she 770 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: does these epic vlogs. So a lot of her vlogs 771 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: involve food. So, for instance, she will eat what her 772 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,959 Speaker 1: little cousin eats for a day, so she'd be stuck 773 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: eating kids foods, or she'll only be able to eat 774 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: yellow food or red food. But then she also has 775 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: a back channel where she puts up all of her 776 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: vlogs and I sit there and I think, God, this 777 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: is sad. I'm a thirty year old woman watching a 778 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: nineteen year old girls what she gets up to. But 779 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: it's just so relaxing. 780 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 2: For some reason, I actually prefer the ones of her 781 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 2: best friend. 782 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: I don't even know her name, but she's always down 783 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: as she's always down at Tesco's, buying back beans and 784 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 1: doing all these sort of cheap challenges which are interesting. 785 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: It makes me laugh because I froth seeing the way 786 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: that they live in England, and it must be what 787 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: people think when they watch you know, Sarah's day and 788 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: her typical Aussie weekend. 789 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 2: I know I'm over it. She does the same thing 790 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 2: all the time. One thing I found hard to. 791 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: Watch about Saffron Barker is the fact that I know 792 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: that she wears clip on hair extensions to bed. Oh 793 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: my gosh, I am the same. I mean, she looks 794 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: like her hair looks beautiful, but I just think how 795 00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: painful that must be. 796 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: She's gonna go bald. 797 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: I watch an amazing video from her friend Anastasia, and 798 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: it was her and her mother answering hate comments or 799 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: read story reading it hate comments. Didn't they recently do 800 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: a vlog where they've drove around to McDonald's fifty times. 801 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: I had to turn that one off. That was just 802 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: born a little repetitive. But this was hilarious because the 803 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: comments around the comments about this Anastasia's mum were absolutely disgusting. 804 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 2: They were like, I hate her eyebrows and. 805 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: She's like, oh my eyebrows offensive, And when I was 806 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: looking at it, I was like, they are quite summon 807 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: about them. Well, I think that's all we've got time 808 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: for today. I can hear my cat screeching in the 809 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: background wanting some attention. 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