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Speaker 1: Jewell and Woody podcast many I said before that I

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Speaker 1: think Machine Gun Kelly and Meghan Fox are giving the

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Speaker 1: worst message possible to people in relationships. Now that might

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Speaker 1: have been hyperbole, but I just want to because they

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Speaker 1: do look like they're in a really tough spot and

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Speaker 1: at the moment, they're both just left, they're both just

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Speaker 1: headed out of a marriage counseling office, cheating, visibly upset,

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Speaker 1: and this is their picture has been pictured for the

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Speaker 1: first time since the cheating rumors and the speculation of

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Speaker 1: their split sort of came out. So it's a tough

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Speaker 1: time and I can't judge anyone situation. As I always

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Speaker 1: say about relationships, you don't know what's going on behind

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Speaker 1: closed doors. Sure looks tough. But the thing that I

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Speaker 1: don't like about these pictures is the fact that the

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Speaker 1: marriage counseling is being viewed as the end of the road.

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Speaker 1: It is. It's it's now painted with all the all

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Speaker 1: the blood that their relationship is painted with. And I

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Speaker 1: think that people make really all full assumptions about marriage counseling.

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Speaker 1: You when you hear marriage counseling or you hear relationship counseling. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: the first thing you think is well, they're in.

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Speaker 2: Trouble, and that's why that's the story. The fact that

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Speaker 2: they're walking out of a counsel that's media is going like, oh,

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Speaker 2: look we've got photos out of marriage counselor must be

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Speaker 2: almost over, you must be done.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think it is the opposite if you're in

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Speaker 1: doing it. Yes, if you're in an account, if the

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Speaker 1: relationship was over, they wouldn't be going there.

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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: That would be in a very different spot.

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Speaker 2: That's a positive sign, absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that they're crying, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: they're left in separate cars, but the fact that they're

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Speaker 1: crying in front of each other can often mean that

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Speaker 1: they've actually earthed something up that was meaningful between the

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Speaker 1: two of them, and they feel they feel comfortable enough

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Speaker 1: to cry in front of each other. Because if you

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Speaker 1: really want to shut someone out of your life, you

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Speaker 1: don't go to a counseling session.

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Speaker 2: Why would you make the effort you get out of there.

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Speaker 2: I don't sound like a tit us, but they're not cheap.

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Speaker 1: You sound like I just want to double down on this,

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Speaker 1: And I've spoken to my partner Sam about this. But

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Speaker 1: for me, the relationship counseling that we had was probably

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Speaker 1: the best thing that I reckon live it up and

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Speaker 1: I can. I don't think we would have got through

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Speaker 1: without it. Actually I know we wouldn't have got through

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Speaker 1: without it. We're at a point where it was like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: we don't understand each other for some reason, there's something

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Speaker 1: blocking it. And I've got permission for her to share

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Speaker 1: with you what that thing was, because I think it's

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Speaker 1: important for people to understand. And I promise I'm not

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Speaker 1: moonlighting as a counselor and getting money for counseling work

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Speaker 1: as well. And I'm just a strong advocate for it

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Speaker 1: because I feel like it can help you understand yourself

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Speaker 1: in a relationship in ways that the person that you're

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Speaker 1: dating can't because they only see you through their eyes.

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Speaker 1: You need another person's perspective to look at your relationship

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Speaker 1: and understand what roles you're playing and.

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Speaker 2: If it's a like, if it's a it's a problem

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Speaker 2: you're getting through or an issue you're getting through. There's

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Speaker 2: all sorts of emotion attached to us. Yeah, you never

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Speaker 2: get anywhere totally. It's amazing what that third person does

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Speaker 2: to go like, oh yeah, I get I understand it now, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just because the third person that we're talking to that's

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Speaker 2: taking the emotion out of it.

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Speaker 1: That's one hundred percent right. I remember going into the

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Speaker 1: session seeing to myself, I'd write down, like all the arguments,

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Speaker 1: the points that I had that. Yeah, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I've got it on that, I've got it on that,

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Speaker 1: I've got it on that, and then like, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: after two sessions it was like I have the wrong

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Speaker 1: attitude here. Yeah, you know, but it took somebody else

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Speaker 1: being like the fact that you're treating this as combat

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Speaker 1: is the reason that you're here. Yeah, you know, like

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Speaker 1: this this is not a fight to win against against her.

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Speaker 2: And hearing it from a third party is so different

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Speaker 2: from hearing it from your partner. It's everything, Yeah, it's everything. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So look the point that I took out of it,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully me saying this and sharing this will make

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Speaker 1: other people look at their relationship. But the bit that

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Speaker 1: was really the sticking point between the two of us

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Speaker 1: was that I was looking after her too much to

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Speaker 1: the point where she knew that she could rely on

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Speaker 1: me to do that. And I'm a fixer. I'm like

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Speaker 1: Christopher Pye, like I can't help myself. If there's something

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Speaker 1: into that. To the point that it was suffocating her

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't letting her be herself and stuff up.

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Speaker 1: And ultimately by letting go of her and actually accepting

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Speaker 1: the fact that maybe things were broken and she was

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Speaker 1: going to fall away from me, that that gave her

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Speaker 1: the independence and the freedom to fall in love with

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Speaker 1: me again. But before that, I was just this overbearing

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Speaker 1: person who was trying to like look after it too

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Speaker 1: much and fixing him anythings for it.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I needed somebody else to tell me that.

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Speaker 2: But also, you think you doing the right thing that

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Speaker 2: fixing yea.

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Speaker 1: So that was and the reason I share that insight

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Speaker 1: with you is because I could never have come to

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Speaker 1: that conclusion by myself. It's a really complex thing to understand.

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Speaker 1: I needed another person in the room and that was

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Speaker 1: that was that was, that was the problem with our

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Speaker 1: at the time. And so yeah, I really really want

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Speaker 1: to urge other people to, yeah, try and see a

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Speaker 1: relationship counselor.

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Speaker 2: If you can't mean and I saw a relationship counselor,

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Speaker 2: there really wasn't a big problem we just needed to

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Speaker 2: understand a situation and we were. We got through it

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Speaker 2: so quickly as well. It was just like, oh, how

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Speaker 2: do we I don't know how we didn't figure this

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Speaker 2: out before, but it just needed that third person. Then

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Speaker 2: it was like this is great, Yeah, we can now

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Speaker 2: move forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, exactly right. And you walk out of that

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Speaker 1: and you actually feel like you're in a new relationship

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Speaker 1: totally yeah. Yeah, So yeah, give it a try, guys.

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Speaker 2: The Will and.

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