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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation Double a Chattery drops today. This

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Speaker 1: is the award winning podcast you do with.

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Speaker 2: Your forensics winnings.

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Speaker 1: A Stretch hasn't won awards, No, I.

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Speaker 2: Was nominated as a podcast for year, which was very nice.

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Speaker 1: Well, in my book, it gets an award, and that's

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Speaker 1: not like one of those lame awards that your parents

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Speaker 1: give you.

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Speaker 2: That sounds a bit like it.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast you do with your forensic psychologist's

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Speaker 1: friend Anita McGregor. And you touched many people with the

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Speaker 1: story you were saying a few weeks ago about your

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Speaker 1: dog getting old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I spoke about like my dad's unwell, my husband,

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Speaker 2: or my dad's ninety one. He's not unwell, but he's

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Speaker 2: ninety one, ninety one. My husband is unwell. And I

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Speaker 2: look at the dog who's now thirteen, and I think

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Speaker 2: she's the glue that's holding it all together for me.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to cry because I bored my

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Speaker 2: eyes out when I spoke about it. And two million

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Speaker 2: people have responded to that, talking about their own dogs,

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Speaker 2: their own dogs dying, how they felt when they lost

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Speaker 2: their shadow, which is what I was sixteen. You know

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Speaker 2: a relationship you can have with a pet for sixteen years.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I love seeing you with me, The

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Speaker 1: way she just looks at you and follows you around.

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Speaker 1: It's so sweet.

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Speaker 2: Oh, she's the sweetest thing. And one of the people

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Speaker 2: that reached out in light of that was a woman

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Speaker 2: called doctor Lizzie Kennedy. She's a vet who specializes in

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Speaker 2: end of life care for the dogs and the humans

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Speaker 2: that are going through it too, and so Anita and

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Speaker 2: I have interviewed her. It was an incredible podcast that

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Speaker 2: drops today. I cried of course through.

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Speaker 1: All that as well.

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Speaker 2: But she's quite amazing because she's, you know, in the

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Speaker 2: I don't remember when I was growing up and I

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Speaker 2: didn't have a family pet, but people didn't. You didn't

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Speaker 2: show your grief when a pet died. But I think

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Speaker 2: a couple of things. Social media has united people in

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Speaker 2: sharing how they feel about their pets and how they

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Speaker 2: feel when their pets died, the idea of the rainbow bridge.

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Speaker 2: People now acknowledge the grief, that the toll of the grief,

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Speaker 2: and how you feel when you lose this long loved pet.

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Speaker 2: But she gave me a lot to think about in

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Speaker 2: terms of how do acknowledge the passing of your pet,

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Speaker 2: how to navigate what's to come and navigate it when

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Speaker 2: it happens, and how to lean into the beauty of

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Speaker 2: the relationship. Here's just one of the practical things she said.

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Speaker 3: But in the event of you choosing cremation where you

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Speaker 3: want the ashes returned to you, you enter that period

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Speaker 3: that I liken to weet between the death and the

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Speaker 3: funeral of a human. So somebody dies and then you

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Speaker 3: have seven to ten days and then you have the

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Speaker 3: funeral and you're in that period of mornings. I encourage

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Speaker 3: people to create an altar space, have a candle and

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Speaker 3: a photo and flowers, and then when the ashes are

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Speaker 3: returned home, that's a profound moment and opportunity to really

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Speaker 3: honor the bereavement process through a ceremony, particularly for families

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Speaker 3: with young children.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense. Was we had a terrible time my

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Speaker 1: younger son, Dom's t twenty first birthday party. So we've

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Speaker 1: set up the everything, his mates are coming around in

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Speaker 1: a few hours and then Dom comes upstairs and his

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Speaker 1: ashen face, and I said, what's the man of mate?

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Speaker 1: And he said, Fizzle the cat, the family cat that

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Speaker 1: had died on his floor right there. And then I

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Speaker 1: was but I'd just literally seen the cat, probably an

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Speaker 1: hour before, you know, and it was the grumpy cat,

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Speaker 1: you remember, Fizzle, just grumpy. And I said, but I

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Speaker 1: just saw her. And then we went down to his room.

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Speaker 1: Sure enough, she was dead on the floor. She just

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Speaker 1: dropped dead. And then people were coming around and we

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Speaker 1: just sort of Helen and Dom and myself just sat

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Speaker 1: there just shocked, you know, and there were tears. It

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Speaker 1: was such an emotional time for young Dom. But we

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Speaker 1: in my day, my dad used to make jokes about,

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Speaker 1: you know, getting a car battery and throwing the cat

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Speaker 1: in the river and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: That was there open to acknowledging now and companies have

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Speaker 2: bereavement care. Companies allowed you to take some time off

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Speaker 2: work if you need to. And during the you know,

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Speaker 2: during COVID, our animals got us through. I think we

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Speaker 2: acknowledge the relationship we have with our pets a lot

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Speaker 2: more now. But she was so thoughtful. She's been with

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Speaker 2: families through all of this, and what she had to

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Speaker 2: say was so interesting. So that's Double a Chattery wherever

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Speaker 2: to it on Double Achattery dot com.

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Speaker 1: Nice work