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Speaker 1: The award winning w Way author of Invisible Boys, which

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Speaker 1: became a hit series for Stan has a new book out,

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Speaker 1: King of Dirt, and that author and owner of one

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Speaker 1: of the best writing show biz names I've ever heard,

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Speaker 1: Holden Shepherd, is with a noow, good.

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Speaker 2: Morning, good morning, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Like Holden Shepherd, you had to be destined for greatness.

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Speaker 2: I was either going to be yeah, supercar driver or

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Speaker 1: I don't tell you Dad was a Holden man.

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Speaker 2: I mean how to that was?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you had to be Yes, you could have

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Speaker 3: been brock.

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Speaker 2: Look, I could have Look. I missed out on a

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Speaker 2: lot of opportunities. Here I drive, drive as fast as that?

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Speaker 2: Oh do you wow? Probaly wouldn't say that.

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Speaker 1: King of Dirt And look, I've read Brink, I've seen

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Speaker 1: Invisible Boys. They're classified as YA and this is your

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Speaker 1: first adults story and boy, yes, yes, I'm reading it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, who's looking at what I'm reading? It's

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Speaker 1: pretty raunchy, holders, pretty full honor, it's pretty fall on.

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Speaker 2: I've had a lot of messages. There's a particular chapter,

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Speaker 2: the leaf chapter, where getting a lot of messages. The

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Speaker 2: content of that chapter a good way people are enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: They're I don't know you could do that in the book,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, you can, because we grew up

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Speaker 3: Sometimes awkward moments when mumb or Dad would be in

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Speaker 3: the room watching something on TV. It was like, this

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Speaker 3: is different. You can you can write this.

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Speaker 2: In a book. It's a bit easier because there's no

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Speaker 2: one sitting next to you watching it, right, But having

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Speaker 2: Invisible Boys on TV was a little bit it's a

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Speaker 2: little bit cringe to watch that with family members. Please

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Speaker 2: remember this is not me, this is a character.

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Speaker 1: Now. You're from Geraldton, and it seems the town has

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Speaker 1: influenced your storytelling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm proud, Gero boy. I left a long time ago,

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Speaker 2: but I kind of always wish I'd stayed. A country

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Speaker 2: boy in a way, I always felt like I belong there.

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Speaker 2: I liked who I was there, and I liked working there.

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Speaker 2: So I actually went back when they were filming Invisible

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Speaker 2: Boys up on location in drying and that's where King

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Speaker 2: of Dirt actually came from. I was sitting there and

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Speaker 2: having this big nostalgia moment of like, what would have

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Speaker 2: happened if I'd stay here, if I kept working in

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Speaker 2: earth moving and got married to a good jeror Italian girl,

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Speaker 2: which is you know what, whatever unexpected coast. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we would look out that way. It didn't work out

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Speaker 2: that way, but it's like a little sliding doors thing.

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Speaker 2: So the King of Dirt was born. And Jack Brollow

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Speaker 2: is that kind of sliding doors version of me. Probably.

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Speaker 1: I'm not from Geraldson, but my my sister and her

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Speaker 1: family have lived there for close to thirty years now.

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Speaker 2: So I get up there a lot.

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Speaker 1: And we all gathered to watch Invisible Boys because my

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Speaker 1: niece's husband was going to be in the opening. The

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Speaker 1: opening scene, he's driving the forklift.

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Speaker 2: In a kidding at the port the poor.

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Speaker 1: That's Jason, my niece's husband, and we're like, there's the forklift,

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Speaker 1: where are you?

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Speaker 2: Jack? Hitting a cat? Yeah? Do you know what? He

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Speaker 2: never made it. If he feels better, he's in good company.

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Speaker 2: My cameo got cut. I did. I'm raging, Did.

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Speaker 3: You know though? Because there's nothing worse than beaving at

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Speaker 3: a preview and not knowing No.

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Speaker 2: I sat there and watching and I was like, here

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Speaker 2: I am. Any second there disipation and then I'm gone.

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Speaker 2: But I think I have met you.

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Speaker 1: Have Jason because she's presented him with an award.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say I went up to Guerro

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Speaker 2: and the Jar Report Reports whatever they call. They're like,

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Speaker 2: come down to our stuff, barbecue, and yeah they give us.

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Speaker 2: Give these guys I think are two blokes Report who

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Speaker 2: were extras in the show.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he did get best forklift Driver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he got this little like little fake oscar Sta.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was a big moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very big moment.

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Speaker 3: At least I get contacted by people we've known from

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Speaker 3: our past about what we did in radio. But you

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Speaker 2: I've just had it. So I've just come back from

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Speaker 2: the East Coast tour for King of Dirt and in Melbourne,

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Speaker 2: she looks familiar. She was my first girlfriend from zero. No,

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Speaker 2: she's gonna work for NASA. I was like, Okay, didn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, amazed.

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Speaker 2: I can never anyone.

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Speaker 2: I thought Jero was a small town, but you go

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Speaker 1: It features so prominently on every page of King of Dirt,

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Speaker 1: you know, from the Bendy trees to the AREU team

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Speaker 1: Brand Highway or Indian Ocean Road. I've moved a brand

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Speaker 2: Brook so much better. I live in Butler right and

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Speaker 2: Indian Ocean Drive. I was like, yeah, to go to

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Speaker 2: weather Lands. Sweet, this is great. Thanks frustrating, it's the

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Speaker 1: So writing, as we said, it's pretty rauchy. It is

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Speaker 1: a fairly erotic book. Is that hard to rush?

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Speaker 2: It's it's just do you ever.

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Speaker 1: Blush your own Like, I can't believe I'm putting this

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Speaker 2: No, I actually really enjoy it, and it was really

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Speaker 2: little while. And even though it's my books are kind

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Speaker 2: And this one was like, you're off the lead, do

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Speaker 2: what you want, Yeah, and I could just really write.

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Speaker 2: I felt that hot stuff reading, I felt that coming through.

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Speaker 2: I'm really happy, as.

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Speaker 1: Pretty full on as it is that speaking of Invisible Boys,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but there is a second book.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's definitely confirmed. So I've written a book

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Speaker 2: called Yeah the Boys, which is yeah the Boys. Yeah

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Speaker 2: the Boys. It's hard to say it any other way. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you just gonna say yeah the Boys. Absolutely, but it

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Speaker 2: brings it brings all the first three books together, so

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Speaker 2: the brink Invisible Boys, they all have like a big crossover,

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Speaker 2: calling it into the Shepherd Verse. Yeah, a Shepherd Verse.

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Speaker 1: Mentioned in King of Dirt. The island that doesn't actually exist, well, yes, that's.

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Speaker 2: Fictional island Easter Egg in there, kind kind of a

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Speaker 2: fictional Wedge Island, but I just don't want to kind

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Speaker 2: of absolutely it actually we because then but yeah, The

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Speaker 2: Boys sounds like something you hear at footy grounds with

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Speaker 2: king do it is. It's a blokey book. It's as

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Speaker 2: much as it's a hot book. It's a blokey book

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Speaker 2: and it's about it's about men's mental health. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: The Boys is about the boys, it's about men, it's

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Speaker 2: about men's mental health, and it's about footy culture. Actually

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Speaker 2: it's kind of a celebration of all of it.

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Speaker 1: It's very timely really and ties in masculinity, sexuality and

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Speaker 1: mental health so beautifully. And it's how important is it

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Speaker 2: Incredibly important. Yeah, at the moment, there's so much in

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Speaker 2: this space, but there always has been. And I'm someone

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Speaker 2: who had incredibly bad mental health as a teenager. I

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Speaker 2: it's not something that goes away. I think life, yeahs full. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When I talked about Invisible Boys and Mike as a teenager.

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Speaker 2: So with keing of dirt, I'm showing Jack and he's

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Speaker 2: got a lot of issues. You know, he's got addiction

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Speaker 2: doesn't feel weak. I never felt weak when I did that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't just going, oh, life is hard, life

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Speaker 1: And so is there a lot of you in Jack?

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Speaker 2: There is a lot of me in chat Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's pretty much man and he goes for Collingwood. Got

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Speaker 2: a problem with Betting loves yes whatever, that car is

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Speaker 2: the phantom. He loves this look. And I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be honest, you know my V eight is also called phantom. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: very thin veneer of fiction. Look, the thing I do

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Speaker 2: have to really be careful of saying is that, you know,

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Speaker 2: Jack's family are horrible and they're not my family.

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Speaker 3: What about support? It obviously supports lovely from readers. They're

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Speaker 3: playing their good and hard money to buy the books

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Speaker 3: in that, but also when you get funding and the like,

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Speaker 3: you're standing on a stage with Nichola Forest and Minduru,

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Speaker 3: you know, giving you accolades, that must be wonderful. Supporting

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Speaker 2: It's really cool to get organizations, philanthropic organizations kind of

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Speaker 2: funding the arts. So I got a grant from Mindaru

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Speaker 2: and then I won that award as a subsequent thing. Right,

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Speaker 2: So the grant was twenty five grand. The award was

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Speaker 2: fifty grand. That was early this year for this is

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Speaker 2: all for Yeah the Boys. Before I was doing that,

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Speaker 2: I was laboring the timber yard because I was like,

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Speaker 2: I have no other way to supplement my income. Writing

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Speaker 2: is a really hard thing to make a full time

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Speaker 2: living out of in Australia. Yeah, yeah, is just not

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Speaker 2: you to Nicola Forest. Thanks to the forest, they gave

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Speaker 2: me a grant for this book and they thought, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this could really work and it's just landed a deal

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Speaker 2: so it'll be out next year.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, well it's it's so good to see you

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Speaker 1: have success with writing, because I mean, I'm a big reader.

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Speaker 2: I love to read. It's my favorite hobby.

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Speaker 1: And I'd say all of my favorite writers at the

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Speaker 1: and it's so exciting to read. You know, stories that

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Speaker 1: keep them coming. And thank you, thank you for King

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Speaker 1: of Dirt, thank you for coming in today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: That good to see mate, And no word of a lie.

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Speaker 3: Lisa walked enough to started reading this one, and she

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Speaker 3: looked at me, Golden Shepherd.

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Speaker 2: That is that's the reaction. I want, I got, I

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Speaker 2: got what I can.

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Speaker 3: Thanks man,