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Speaker 1: Nine Our voices, Quick heads up.

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Speaker 2: This podcast can sometimes get a bit rough on bros

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Speaker 2: and cons. We talk about real life and we're committed

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Speaker 2: to having open conversations with no filter. Some experiences and

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Speaker 2: is advice support is always available. You can contact Lifeline

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Speaker 2: on thirteen eleven fourteen or thirteen Young on one Thing

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Speaker 2: nine two seven six for Aboriginal or toe straight Islanders.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get it.

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Speaker 3: At Double Bay at the Sheaf in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 3: I was at the Roosters, went down the back streets, right,

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Speaker 3: wasn't in front of anyone or nothing. That's about eight

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Speaker 3: of still in a piss. This dude rolled past proper paparazzi.

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Speaker 3: That's how you get caught. Well when dude, yeah you

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Speaker 3: got me gun.

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Speaker 2: What he said?

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Speaker 4: We just think about the YouTube, but he can said.

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Speaker 3: Like accountability and that all happened because he was in

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Speaker 3: there during COVID so with two boys.

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Speaker 1: Bro, Like wow, yeah, so really changes, Like he just

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Speaker 1: bought a fucking house in upnear Raymond Terrace, uping in newcast.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, well yeah, the moon probably thirty two acres.

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Speaker 1: We're brothers men, but we're best mates.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bro, well my life is like it was one

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Speaker 3: foot in, one foot out.

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Speaker 5: Well, I've seen some ship there for yeah, at least

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Speaker 5: you remember at our usual place.

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Speaker 4: You know, the fans are going off.

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Speaker 1: So you've got a place out in Bankstown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we yeah, it's it's it's a local little bank

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Speaker 2: someone much smaller than this.

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Speaker 1: But they called quits to live there when I was young. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Condall park Well in ninety nine, yeah, in ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Hold you boy, wow have you seen that?

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Speaker 3: You see I've seeing all these are man, they're all mad,

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Speaker 3: big gangsters, like because we sort of come through together

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Speaker 3: the two thousands and now these guys are like sergeant

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Speaker 3: arms and like presidents and yeah, it's a funk around

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Speaker 3: in the Cross all the time. But heavy hitters, like

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Speaker 3: all the league players and the gangsters just used to

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Speaker 3: roll together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a normal thing. Yeah, that's true. Like

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Speaker 1: the Cross is just saying my mate used to my

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Speaker 1: mates used to run the Cross.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm like we used to roll around and

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Speaker 3: go on these mad benders with comos and all that

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Speaker 3: suff up in.

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Speaker 1: Fucking banks down somewhere. I tell my wife the fuck

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Speaker 1: I don't know where, but it was mad. It was madness.

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Speaker 1: We all used to get along. It's never like anything

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Speaker 1: like and.

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Speaker 2: That was underbelly day, yeah man, yeah, yeah, have you

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Speaker 2: seen the last came across or anything?

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Speaker 4: What's it taken on that?

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Speaker 1: And it's very like.

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, they come to blows with it because my mate,

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Speaker 3: he's he he's the one who funded it, right, he's

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Speaker 3: so him and John John try to change a lot

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Speaker 3: of the ship because they wanted to put real ship

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Speaker 3: in there, and John just liken, this happened like a

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Speaker 3: total like fabricated Yeah, well yeah, so fantasy that my

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Speaker 3: mate Mark Fantasy. He runs that studio, Paramount Studios, he

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Speaker 3: owns it. And he was telling me because we catch

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Speaker 3: up for dinner and stuff because he's a big hitter

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Speaker 3: on the roosters, like he's on one of the big

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Speaker 3: dogs on the rooster's board. Yeah, but I've been making

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Speaker 3: for ages. He goes, yeah, he just lost his ship

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Speaker 3: because they wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Put some real ship in there. He wouldn't allow it.

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Speaker 3: He just wanted people to like sort of idolize him

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Speaker 3: and all that, and I was like, dude, you did

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Speaker 3: some fucking proper ship man, and then they just come

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Speaker 3: to blowers but they just it's an amicable agreement.

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Speaker 1: Now yeah, because John John was coming in man, and

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Speaker 1: just like sitting on set gun that shi. It's a

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Speaker 1: fucking movie. Make you like a gangster, but like.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, like you can't component or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, anyway, yeah that's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Ah, Lads and led Debts, welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 2: of Bros and can Man. We have an exciting guest today.

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Speaker 2: We got the giant known for being tough as nails

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Speaker 2: on and off the field. Really yeah, so you guys

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Speaker 2: can see it's a different setting. This is uh we

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Speaker 2: don't usually do it here, but unfortunately we couldn't do

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Speaker 2: it at our home base.

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Speaker 1: But here we are. Man, we may give us an introduction, bro. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Guys. I want to say big shout

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Speaker 1: out to you boys as well. I've looked at what you.

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Speaker 3: Did and you know, big influence on what you do, man,

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Speaker 3: like your young cats West like you're doing good to

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Speaker 3: do something and you suck it up, come back and

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Speaker 3: right the wrongs and try and influence the younger kids

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Speaker 3: in a better way. I mean, I've been watching what

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Speaker 3: you've been saying. It's very powerful man, especially out west.

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Speaker 3: These young kids up to you guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. And you can send

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Speaker 1: them either way. Yeah, and you send them the right way.

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Speaker 1: It's good.

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Speaker 2: I guess a lot of we had a big talk

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Speaker 2: about doing our transition and we felt like a lot

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Speaker 2: big part and all we wanted to do is at

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Speaker 2: least try and undo as much as we can, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like, even if it's just conversations

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Speaker 2: like this and after I'll surprise it actually helped a

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Speaker 2: lot of young boys that they reached out to us

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Speaker 2: and they're like, bro, we love it.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: They connect with you guys, right because you're authentic and

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Speaker 3: you real and you've lived it. Sitting here is like

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Speaker 3: three guys just trying to educate and tell people what

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Speaker 1: Kids don't like that. Ship. Imagine you're in that position.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys weren't real and you're telling these guys

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Speaker 3: how it is or when you've lived it, so like

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Speaker 3: that you're doing. That's why you're authentic, right, and that's

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Speaker 3: what people fuck with you. Okay, Well, listening to these

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Speaker 3: guys because they've lived it. People can tell all this shit,

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Speaker 3: but they can see all the young kids, especially like

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Speaker 3: everyone blames gen Z for being lazy and all that

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Speaker 3: sort of shit, But you guys get a hammering, right,

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Speaker 3: It's like you're smarter than people give credit for.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you know what I mean? Like it's like, bro,

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Speaker 4: it's amazing to hear it from amazing.

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Speaker 1: This girl. Right, Yeah, this stuff out west, people don't understand.

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Speaker 3: Like Rique was talking before, I said, look, we're twenty

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Speaker 3: five thirty kilometers that way, and it's a.

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Speaker 1: Whole different thing. This postcode wars is all that sort

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Speaker 1: of stuff. When did if you don't mind me, ass,

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Speaker 1: when did all that start?

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Speaker 3: Because I'm forty five in the two thousands, she wasn't there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, act when did it just appear? And like you have.

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Speaker 3: Post code where they represent hard Where did this come from?

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Speaker 2: I think like you can even notice this on on

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Speaker 2: the in the NRL fields like Islander is we're pretty passionate, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: pretty personate and loyal bro. Yeah, and when it comes

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Speaker 2: to physical contact, like who doesn't like seeing Big Islanders

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Speaker 2: classic game? And then that same that same kind of

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Speaker 1: Ye, And I guess in a kind of sense that

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Speaker 2: It was like, you know, you've got the Malonnie Boys

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Speaker 2: the islanders that we didn't make THEE and we just

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Speaker 7: Yea, they went out of proportion because of the music.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty fucking wild out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, from Kembelltown, Lapini Pay all these boys used to

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Speaker 1: They're good dudes, but.

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Speaker 3: They were like on the other side, they going to

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Speaker 3: these boys, all the brothers out there, all the tongue

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Speaker 3: boys and some boys were always at it. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: this was no post code I'm talking like this is

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Speaker 3: the mid two thousands, Like there wasn't this postcode war.

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Speaker 3: No one was getting tattoos. It didn't mean that much.

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Speaker 3: It was always about suburbs. Mounte's and like you know,

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Speaker 3: Pretchyard and all that sort of stuff. Was like I

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Speaker 3: get that Mount drew it. So you guys, you know

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Speaker 3: you got your things tattered on your neck and your

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you get that passionate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying like I'm forty five. Yeah, such probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, It's interesting you brought that up

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Speaker 2: Now we're representing areas that we didn't even put our

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Speaker 2: I feel like even for that side, I could be wrong.

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Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but I feel like for their side,

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Speaker 2: we kind of just started like getting passionate together. So

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Speaker 2: they will get passionate and start throwing up the Mount

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Speaker 2: Duyt signs, and then it would just make us.

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Speaker 1: Feel like, oh yeah, yeah, well we're from here.

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Speaker 2: And then it just it grew like that we were

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Speaker 3: Then the music. So when you chuck that in, it's

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Speaker 3: all good. When it's just here to say on social media,

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Speaker 3: you fucking can wrap and say some real ship and

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Speaker 3: the rest of the world can hear it.

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Speaker 1: I reckon.

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Speaker 3: That's when it got fuck you real proper, like Ignited,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, what is happening out there?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, these rap groups like one four and

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Speaker 1: twenty one, Yeah, going hard at it.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, because the music was probably the biggest

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Speaker 3: Tanged the whole Ignite, Yeah, everybody can see it, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I realized, well, they started on some of the starting,

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Speaker 2: but I was just retired, Like I just retired.

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Speaker 1: It was like twenty fourteen, fifteen.

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Speaker 3: I come back twenty seventeen in the show, and I'm like, man,

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Speaker 3: this Drie rap's really caught on.

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Speaker 1: I get it. I don't mind. I love that music,

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Speaker 1: but I'm like, fuck, it's getting heck together.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I speak to some of the brothers out there, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's wild out here, man, because they still live out Seat.

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Speaker 1: Town and all that kind of Yeah, Mount drew it, that's.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, And I think that's the reality is it's still real.

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Speaker 2: It's not It's still happening. Even as we're as we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what gave you that sort of like that light

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Speaker 7: It was an So I went to jail on twenty

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Speaker 8: Our own work as well, and we were a big

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Speaker 2: We were saying for so many years, we kept saying,

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Speaker 1: You're not just get anything wrong. Like you're trying to educate.

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Speaker 3: Like if anyone's mad at you boys, that's that's a

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Speaker 1: That, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: You're just trying to educate and try and like influence

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Speaker 3: or anything like that, like rappers, you got, you guys

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Speaker 1: And it's very admirable and smart for you guys at.

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Speaker 3: This age, right, because you guys could be deep double down,

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Speaker 1: And not get caught that mentality.

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Speaker 3: Because most of these like old bokes learn to their

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Speaker 3: I when I started following you guys, I like, fuck,

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Speaker 7: I think it's because we've got brothers as and I

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Speaker 7: Do something big, get on the really someone inside, Like

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Speaker 3: To because they wish they could do that as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: older guys probably in their forties and fifties.

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Speaker 1: Second or third bid, Yeah for the long one.

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Speaker 3: This time, if I had had that talk between brothers,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what's mad someone someone said in

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Speaker 2: like everyone has these conversations behind closed doors with their brothers. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but we're just kind of saying it out in publish proper.

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Speaker 2: Yeah what everyone what everyone is thinking of saying? And

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Speaker 2: I remember mentioning before that the whole my my. What

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so now we're just kind of trying to be that.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: It's unreal what you guys are, Like, I don't think

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Speaker 7: You didn't you didn't mention that it wasn't really happening

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Speaker 4: How was your upbringing where about.

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Speaker 3: Like, I'm from Toronto West, up near Newcastle, but I

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Speaker 3: My old man passed away probably when I was seventeen,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so all that sort of ship I just wanted

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Speaker 4: But what is your background?

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Speaker 1: I told my mom's half tongue and in half someone

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Speaker 3: But my mom, you know when you're born in the Islands,

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Speaker 3: I kept that under the rights because I'm the exact

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Speaker 3: And yeah, all right, that many people are in everybody

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Speaker 3: So this is all the stuff I had to figure out. Yeh, well,

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Speaker 3: eighty five. Yeah, yeah, and that's the that's what.

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00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:18,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

439
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 3: I wish I wish he was here so we could

440
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 3: just fucking hear these stories because that would have been

441
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,400
Speaker 3: in the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties.

442
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have been some good times. Starway. Yeah,

443
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,119
Speaker 1: New Zealand and then we then yeah.

444
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,400
Speaker 3: So all this happened before I was five or six.

445
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,760
Speaker 2: And you imagine you I have a brother, is that

446
00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,239
Speaker 2: only one brother? You got two brothers, five sisters. And

447
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 2: he was close to Yeah, yeah, we're close. He just

448
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 2: he was in with him, I reckon.

449
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,400
Speaker 1: I think I seen him past eight.

450
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's it's a credit to him as well

451
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,680
Speaker 3: as you boys as well. But like he he could

452
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,320
Speaker 3: have went, he could have come out, doubled down and

453
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 3: got a little like went straight back in, but he didn't.

454
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,400
Speaker 3: Man Like, he manned up, got a he's got a family,

455
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 3: you know, Like he's just bought a house something near

456
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 3: the back of like thirty two acres. Like he's just

457
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,159
Speaker 3: away from everything. He's up forty six forty seven. Just

458
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 3: smokes briskets and fucking cooks. No drinking, no, no nothing everything,

459
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 3: you know, Like and that's good to see. I'm so

460
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 3: proud of him as a brother. Like he's about eighteen

461
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 3: months older than me, so we're best mates. Right, So

462
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 3: he was in he's been the more mad Mondays than me. Yeah,

463
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 3: he really represented everyone knows big legs from all the

464
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 3: mad Mondays we used to have with the dogs and

465
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 3: everything else.

466
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 1: So it's good that you can.

467
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 3: The message is probably like you can just change everything, right, yeah,

468
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 3: if you want to, Like you guys had every every

469
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 3: reason fucking keep doing man, and even Leeds had that. Man,

470
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 3: I'm just like I've got to respect that ship.

471
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,439
Speaker 1: Yea. Was it a big moment of change for him?

472
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: Like did you yeah talk with him and.

473
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, well you probably would have played a part in

474
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 7: his teams.

475
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 1: And yeah for sure. You know, like it's just him

476
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 1: forgiving himself.

477
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 3: And then you know there's a lot of trauma in

478
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 3: there involved and he had to do deal with all

479
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff he has. He's just worked on himself, right,

480
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,199
Speaker 3: you can mask it all, yeah, right, but if you

481
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 3: don't honestly work on yourself, you're not going to get

482
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 3: any breakthroughs, you know. Like so he's clean as hell,

483
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 3: Like he's just like this is the most clearest.

484
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: I've ever seen him. And he's dangerous when he's like that.

485
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,199
Speaker 6: Yeah too smart, He's a smart big He's smart and

486
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 6: he can like now his.

487
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: Whole thing is just like watching his boys play footy

488
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: and him just yelling on the sidelines.

489
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 3: Stop doing that ship, les because I go and watch

490
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 3: his games and I sponsored I sponsored the kids.

491
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: Their jerseys and all that sort of stuff.

492
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'll go and watch him like his boys

493
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 3: play because they're going to be little machines. And yeah,

494
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 3: because my dad used to yell at me when I

495
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 3: was playing. I fucking hated it, right, and then he

496
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 3: started yelling, I said, don't do that. Ship just gave

497
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: me mad PTSD all the time, yelling at your boys

498
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 3: are six or seven. But that's him now, Like he

499
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 3: just he just puts all his energy into his boys

500
00:21:52,600 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 3: and just arguing with fucking coaches on the sideline.

501
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 7: Going, I remember you did mention like sometimes you need

502
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 7: that extra how we were talking about before, sometimes you

503
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 7: need the extra year. I feel like sometimes we just

504
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 7: got to go through that, that hardship just to like

505
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 7: ever come something like greater.

506
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 3: I think he needed that extra year, right, he had

507
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 3: three years and like in the first two years, I

508
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 3: don't think, and that's a long time, yea for three

509
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: years may sounds small, but long.

510
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 1: And it was during COVID as well, so no visitors.

511
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was terrible, man like for what he

512
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: did like and what he how we got got treated

513
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 3: like a murderer.

514
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 7: But it was like, yeah, you know, so COVID was

515
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 7: like pretty much like segregation.

516
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: What they do? Did they lock you in all day

517
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: or so? A lot of times.

518
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 7: I remember silver Water boys were locked in twenty four seven,

519
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 7: twenty four hours, Yeah, and like they wouldn't even let

520
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 7: them come out from.

521
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 3: There randomly, like fuck, for the whole two weeks we

522
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: were twenty four hours.

523
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was crazy, the worst something to be inside

524
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 7: there or.

525
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 4: No, really, I think it was only this week, man,

526
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 4: not much.

527
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: It was pretty hecked like that.

528
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 3: Three years would have felt like ten for some people

529
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 3: during COVID because of the contact with the outside, right,

530
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 3: and that's what you guys rely on. Yeah, so you

531
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 3: take that away for a couple of months, that extends

532
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 3: it by a lot. And he went in there and

533
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 3: so he went through a lot of like he would

534
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: have got a searching, you know what I mean. And

535
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 3: then by the end of the last six to ten months,

536
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: he was like talking to a whole other person.

537
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: Wow.

538
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: He lost heaps of weight, like because he was a

539
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 3: big boy. Like one time, I reckon he was at

540
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: least like one sixty five. Now he's like I would

541
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 3: be bigger than him. Wow, you know what I mean,

542
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: He's dropped so much weight.

543
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: Change his diet, all that sort of stuff. Sometimes.

544
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes it's like a little bit of a stint

545
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 3: in there, fucking.

546
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: Fix anyone up.

547
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: Yea, with some little prity when you see on the

548
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: shoes you go and fucking jail for about six months,

549
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: how you feel? Yeah, yeah, everything taken from you. When

550
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 3: he explained it to me, like fuck, what a man

551
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 3: to go through that ship.

552
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, anyone who's been in there, Yeah for that

553
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: last that last year.

554
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're you need a bit extra time because especially

555
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: when you come up in trauma, like when you said

556
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: that hole your father pass away, when.

557
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, things like that, it colorses your mind for a

558
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: long time. It does.

559
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: Really like you need to feel like otherwise, like you

560
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: need to be able to work on yourself. No one

561
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: can save you. You can only save yourself. You have

562
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: to tell yourself the truth and then that's how you.

563
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 3: That's how you get recovered. And I suppose that's what

564
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 3: he did. And it's like a credit to him. I'm

565
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: like wow, because I love him. He's my brother, right,

566
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 3: so we've been through a shitload of stuff. Yeah, but

567
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 3: then it's just like now just watching him, like just

568
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 3: be like the man that he's supposed to.

569
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 4: Be makes you happy.

570
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: It does, because when I'm forty five, there's so many

571
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: people that are fuck with I don't care about that

572
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 3: many people. Yeah, yeah, can't count the amount of people

573
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 3: on my hand. It's my family, my brother, a couple

574
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 3: of mates here and there.

575
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 1: It's about it. Man, When you get older, this circle

576
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: gets smaller.

577
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 3: You need to pick the right people that's going to

578
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: go for that next You know, I'm halfway through life

579
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: forty five.

580
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: You guys are still young. You won't get that mentality

581
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: to your.

582
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: Over forty Yeah shit, I'm fucking forget to aid him,

583
00:24:59,000 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: all right?

584
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying.

585
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,959
Speaker 3: That's the different mindset of like a thirty five year

586
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 3: old me was like, fucking shut up five in ten

587
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: years like the growth that you have to have, you

588
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: should that you should have. If you're sitting there talking

589
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: to me as forty five looking at a thirty five

590
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: year old me, looking at a twenty five year old me,

591
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: I'd like.

592
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: To see growth in ten years.

593
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 3: Another ten years, I've still got the same mentality as

594
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: a thirty five year old me. You'd fucking you'd be

595
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 3: an idiot, you know, yeah, you do because everyone else

596
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 3: starts growing stuff growing. You know that they start doing

597
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 3: different stuff and you get left behind, you know what

598
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 3: I mean? Like that's what's doing a podcast. I do

599
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 3: a podcast twice a week, you know what I mean?

600
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 3: Like I keep busy. I'll do stuff with the Bulldogs

601
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: and Ambassador coach Pathway from seventeen to twenty ones, which

602
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: is fucking.

603
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: Great age, right.

604
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 7: Yeah.

605
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 3: I wish I had someone when I was that age,

606
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: like someone like me to teach to go this is

607
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: what's going to fucking happen.

608
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's why I love what I'm doing.

609
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 3: Like the young kids like seventeen, I'm like, it's like

610
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: I've done a whole three right, I was that seventeen

611
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 3: year old kid twenty five years ago.

612
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: Fucking longer than that twenty.

613
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 3: Twenty eight years ago, right, And then like I'm out

614
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: the back at Belmore with Marc O'Meally and stuff like that,

615
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: We're coaching these seventeen year olds and I'm like, what

616
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: this is cool?

617
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 4: It's cool.

618
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: Like you got to really like respect those moments. Did

619
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: you always know you were going to end up in

620
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: NRL when you.

621
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: Were Yeah, I was really driven at a young age,

622
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: and it was only me that was going to stop it.

623
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: That's the sort of mindset that I had. Wow, Like

624
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: if I get my own way.

625
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 4: And when you say young age, what age.

626
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 6: Was twelve thirty, now you already knew yeah wow, you

627
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 6: just sort of got to work hard, right, because it's

628
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 6: different now.

629
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: Social media probably connects these young kids to these players

630
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: a little bit too much because they think they think

631
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: it's really easy to get at.

632
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: It's really shortcut. Now, something really easy to attain. I

633
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: just need to get in the pathways I go boom boom,

634
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: boom boom, and I'll.

635
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: Being first graded so hard to get there, You've got

636
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: to stay focused, yeah, you know, and you've got to

637
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 3: be driven. You got to like all these little habits.

638
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: You've got to be drilled into your head. By the

639
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: time you get to like twenty one, you should be polished.

640
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: Right.

641
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: So this is where I love my job. From being

642
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: seventeen to twenty one. I always say the analogy is like,

643
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: just say you've finished school right now, you're seventeen eighteen.

644
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: We're giving you four years and you could be a plumber,

645
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: brick layer, go to UNI, be a lawyer, whatever. We're

646
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: giving you four years to fucking pick up the right

647
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: habits and everything to figure out, to figure it out

648
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: by time you're twenty one and twenty twenty one and

649
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: we're trying to make you an NURL player. You can swim,

650
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 3: sink or swim, right if you don't pick up all

651
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: the fucking habits and shit that I'm trying to tell

652
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 3: you to do. I'm not an idiot, right, I'm telling

653
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: you how it is. The blueprint's out there if you

654
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 3: don't listen, because you.

655
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: Can just fall off so easy. So we'll give four years.

656
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 3: Seventeen, pick up some eighteen ninety, nineteen, twenty twenty, and then.

657
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: If we push you to first grade, you should be

658
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: all right.

659
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: But you've got to work on your fucking game, right,

660
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 3: your fitness levels, your skill set, all.

661
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: Everything every year.

662
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 3: Like you've got to learn how to be a professional, right,

663
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: You've got to learn all these little things. So when

664
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: you get to that, you understand it quite easy and

665
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: you go you're like, oh shit, that that young kid

666
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: like he was so ready that like a hell a

667
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: sema right, the young brother there, I'm like, that's what

668
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: he's doing, professional ship and he's not mean. Someone's coached

669
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: that kid really good, really good. You know, like he's

670
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: been mentored and he's been coached good because he's got

671
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: natural talent. But he's doing little things that I noticed.

672
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, shit, you don't do that till you're a vet.

673
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: You understand it's very important.

674
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: To understand where we like.

675
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 3: At my point of view, I'm just like, just listen,

676
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you so many nuggets, right, And

677
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're going to have a lot of information

678
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: getting put into your brain right, it's just.

679
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: A matter of time how you can process it and

680
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: download it.

681
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: I don't know what You're going to sit there nod

682
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: in your fucking head like you know everything.

683
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, they'n I'm going to test you up. I'm

684
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: assuming that you know everything because you're not asking me

685
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: any questions, do you know what I mean? So it's

686
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: like that's all. I love what I'm doing because young

687
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: kids they love it.

688
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting open book when I'm like this a train,

689
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: I'll city like because I don't really have a role there,

690
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: roll up the train and you sort of, you know,

691
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: pick the good like young kids, and like, yeah, just

692
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: pass knowledge on just what I was like, Like younger

693
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: players in the game now as well that they're like

694
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: out of this world tallernah man.

695
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: It's a lot. Man.

696
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: The young kid from the Roosters, the Senate's his name, Toya,

697
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: Robert Toya. Yeah, him playing against nineteen year olds.

698
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were actually I was actually got to ask

699
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: you about him.

700
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: So we're very close with his family, with his brothers,

701
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: and I was going to ask you what did you

702
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: think about his uh, his game of Origin.

703
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: Awesome against Proud of him because the tills a fucking beast, bro,

704
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: don't get it twisted. The troll tries to take you mentally, physically,

705
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: bully you, everything like that.

706
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: And he didn't fall into that.

707
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: He didn't fall in like the Troll had his moments,

708
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: but like Toya had his moments, he didn't look out

709
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: of place. And everyone was like, he's too young. He said,

710
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: you've seen the kid play. Have you seen how physically

711
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: he is. He's not like a kid who's nineteen.

712
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: Look at it.

713
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: He could deadly fucking three hundred squatt and bench and that,

714
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: like his numbers would be off the chart. Imagine he

715
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: played against his own age. He's doing that to first graders.

716
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? I watched that and

717
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm just like, even like lek A a young young

718
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: tonge brother from New Zealand. What a beast.

719
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: And there's some really good young players man, especially the

720
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: Polynesians man. Yeah, young, he young, they're all like under twenty.

721
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 3: These kids are absolute beasts. That's what I'm saying. They

722
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: get it, they get it. Get it with those kids,

723
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: get it right.

724
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: But it's the young grinders that I'm trying to work on.

725
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: Isaiah Cartolas, Mate, he is twenty one years old, he's playing,

726
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 3: he's doing ship that Joey Johnson and Jonathan Thurson will

727
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: doing at twenty one. That's why you hear Joey just

728
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: going just raves about him because he knows how it is.

729
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: So because he's doing stuff. And I know what a

730
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: good I know what a good halfback looks like. I

731
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: might have played in the Falls, but I'm like, I

732
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: know what a good seven that's him.

733
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of Tongan brothers, the s Won boys.

734
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we watched one of the before you were you

735
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: sent me that video. Uh there's a video of you

736
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: on YouTube where you were miked up. That was what

737
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: together the way.

738
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: That was when I was like, that was the late

739
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: part of my career. That was like the second last

740
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: I was thirty four at that time. Wow, So that

741
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: was when the game was more fun. Yeah, like even

742
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: to me, like just just say the two thousands, when

743
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: nothing was recorded, it was real proper, like you fucking

744
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: head on a swivel. Man, it was like real different

745
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: sort of roughness. It's like you didn't know what a guy.

746
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 7: Was going to do.

747
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: Nah. Yeah, she was a young kid like playing against

748
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 3: a Gordon Tallis or someone who I loved as a player.

749
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 3: You know where he's going to punch your head straight off. Yeah,

750
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: you know, like because you have so much respect for

751
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: these old Yeah, and you're like you don't want it,

752
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yeah, it's Gordon Talus, my

753
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: favorite player. I tried to mold my game after him.

754
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: Next minute I'm playing against the next minute I'm playing

755
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: with him.

756
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah in tests, you know what I mean.

757
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: I was like, play against these guys and play with

758
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: him like the Shane Webkeys.

759
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: And I was part of that era.

760
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: I was a new guy on the block and they

761
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: already been playing a game for like ten twelve years.

762
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: Who do you reckon is the toughest player you've played

763
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: against Remember Petro Siver, big Fijean brother, played like forty

764
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: Tests and thirty origins.

765
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: He will be the number one absolute beast and the

766
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: best bloke in the world.

767
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: That's what's so bad. I wish he was. I wish

768
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: he was a terrible person.

769
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: I could try and fight him or something, because we

770
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: went on like three or four kangaroo tools together. We

771
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: played against each other in Origin for years and then

772
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 3: like the respect that I have for him as a

773
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: man and as a player, it was just like you

774
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: can't and I see him now, the biggest hug like

775
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 3: he's about three years older than me, and he was

776
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 3: just like a beast on the field, like he just

777
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: you couldn't fuck with him. He's like hitting granite.

778
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: General generalman off the field, like just like bad Fiji, Fiji,

779
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: I kill you with smiler. Yeah, that's right.

780
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 7: It's a lot of NURL players have been doing things

781
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 7: outside of NRL.

782
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've got Aways telling us about his fishing,

783
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: vlogging he's doing outside. Then you've got you've got some boxes,

784
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: You've got Paul Gallan doing a bit of boxing.

785
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: Tell us more about what you're doing outside.

786
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: Of the footy and that I think it just gives

787
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: you a platform, yeah right, and what it gives you

788
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: a head start on life if you use it properly

789
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: with rugby leagu right like I was fortunate to play

790
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: sixteen years in the NRL, and the amount of networking

791
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: that I've done naturally and organically, like these you get

792
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: put in rooms where there's millionaires, billionaires that actually want

793
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: to help you, but only at that time.

794
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: You're with that club.

795
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: So it's up to you to outsource stuff and get

796
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: to know each other and all that sort of.

797
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of networking to do, right, and I

798
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: think I did that just naturally.

799
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: I don't go out there to try and get money

800
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: off people give me a free start, like you work

801
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: for fucking every eyes.

802
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't look at guys and go what can he

803
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 1: do for? What can you do for? I'm like no, no, no.

804
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: And that's where like footy players get that in tolament,

805
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: they go, oh yeah, they gain the game.

806
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: Should help me. Fucking game's not there for you because

807
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: they when you retire, that next guy is going to

808
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: keep well oiled machine. Mate.

809
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: Don't have this entitlement because nobody gives a fuck. And

810
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: I already knew that, and it was a business rule.

811
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: I was like twenty seven twenty hours because some of

812
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: my really good friends that weren't as good as me

813
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: or someone else as a player, they're getting shopped out

814
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: somewhere else because their talent.

815
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: Right, So they're only getting you for your talent. It's

816
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: a business. It's a transaction. I guess you've got to

817
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: milk it, like, yeah, you work it, work it out,

818
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: like figure the game out, understand what's going on in life.

819
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: If as soon as you figure that out, get some

820
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: good people around you, like, it's just a springboard into

821
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 3: the next sort of path, right, And that's why I've

822
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: always had that mentality.

823
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: One road ends one beginning.

824
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: So when I retire as well, one one fucking the

825
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: NFL career ended, what's next?

826
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: Right.

827
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: I didn't look at it and go, oh my god,

828
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: like game like I retired on my own fe I wanted.

829
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 3: I was over the game. You want to go trained

830
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I'm like, it's thirty six, bro.

831
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: I was blessed enough to get to that level because

832
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: not many people get to play in that many games

833
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: and be successful and everything like that.

834
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: So I was blessed enough to play for that.

835
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: So you see yourself up. You have to I'm not retiring,

836
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 3: going well, I don't have anything set up. Yeah, I'm

837
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 3: fucking retiring so I can retire from the game. Yeah,

838
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: I mean, the game's given so much to me now

839
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: it's trying to give back and set myself up. And

840
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: like that's why things now, like podcasting is kicking off,

841
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: like Levels podcast. I've been doing podcasts since twenty seventeen, wow,

842
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: because yeah, but because I knew the landscape was changing,

843
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: because Joe Rogan and that started doing.

844
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: About twenty twelve thirteen. Wow. Yeah, yeah, that's when they start.

845
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: So I've been around for ages and I sort of

846
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: try to like maneuver myself and just go, okay, well

847
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: I don't really want to be the like I was

848
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: doing Channel nine and Fox and all that, and it's

849
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: like that's real.

850
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like professional. Yeah, it's like they've want to

851
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: spreadsheet out, You've got to.

852
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: Do this, and I'm like, can't. You can't script me.

853
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 3: I'm like, come in and say this. I might want

854
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: to say that, trying stereotype you into like being an

855
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: x Ford or dumb guy and this and that like

856
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 3: a bit smarter than that where podcasting come in. It's

857
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: like more of a conversation talking about footy, talking about life.

858
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: I said, that's where I can sit and just hone

859
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: my skills and that sort of stuff.

860
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 3: And then obviously podcasting is kicked off Levels podcast. Levels

861
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: network is one of the best, like rugby league podcasts

862
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: in Australia, Channel seven. So I've sort of like one

863
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: foot in mainstream, one foot in like the normal yeah,

864
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: the real ship, you know what I mean. So like

865
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 3: Channel seven of them, I've got a suit on on

866
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: Mondays and Thursdays, and then like on the Mondays and

867
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: Thursdays where I film Levels, I'm just dressed like this,

868
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But it's like it's so

869
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: I've sort of figured it out, like you've got to

870
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 3: have mainstream and then you just sort of got to

871
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 3: be real. But I don't really change from Levels to seven.

872
00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: All I do is not swear.

873
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. The same minute. Yeah, god, you can't.

874
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: Can't not swear, I said, I choose to swear. I

875
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: want to swear.

876
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: Because it's like, yeah, it's a natural dialecte and it's

877
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: sort of just not sound like I'm going, oh fuck you,

878
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: it's natural for me. I'm like, and that's what people going,

879
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: You won't be able to do seven because you can't stop.

880
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: I said, I want to swear. Yeah, I could not swear.

881
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: I cannot not swear easily. Yeah, it was choice.

882
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: Was there anything that you said there? And then they said, oh,

883
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: we got to cut that out.

884
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: You can't. They just let it roll. They let the

885
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: tape roll. That's because they know I don't have a

886
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: script or anything on Channel seven.

887
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever I'm thinking, I said, just asked me the questions,

888
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: and Melolo, who is a legend, she just she knows.

889
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: She just lay me up to the questions and I'll

890
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: just fucking hit him out of the park.

891
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: It's crazy. And I do that. And then I just

892
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: do some stuff with the Bulldogs, which I love.

893
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: I got a couple of little side hustles and it's

894
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: always just doing something.

895
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I just do one thing?

896
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: Like I could sit down and just get and earn

897
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: enough money from Channel seven levels and just so not

898
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: doing anything else. Yeah, And I was like, no, No,

899
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 3: there's a lot more to be made, the money to

900
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 3: be made helping young kids. You're doing all these sort

901
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: of you know, educating younger kids, on stuff. And that's

902
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: like when you get a lot in your forties, you need.

903
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: To have that sort of network.

904
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's coming back to being a good person, right,

905
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 3: that's the main thing. Like all this shit happens in

906
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: your forties, because understand that, like I've been in this

907
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: game for twenty five years pretty much like being around

908
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 3: the block, and it all comes back to your network

909
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 3: and how you've been treating people twenty years ago. Yeah,

910
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: they're the guys that are helping you now. They're the

911
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: guys that I'm are helping me do stuff that I

912
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 3: met twenty years ago. And I've always been me and

913
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: I've always been authentic and I've always been like I've

914
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 3: never changed from the get go. Yeah, from the get go.

915
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: And they're like they love that shit. They want to

916
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: they want to fuck with you like that. He's going

917
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: for it.

918
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: Good. Oh help. Yeah, But if you change up and

919
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: change you know, you think you switch it, switch up,

920
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: you think no one likes it, likes.

921
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: That in Australia, but no one we like that. Take

922
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 3: anyone down, switch up like that on your boys or

923
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: any sort of any level. Right, Yeah, if you turn

924
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 3: into a dig, isn't the wrong country to do that. Yeah,

925
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: I don't have any friends, man, because I would like

926
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: to think if I was doing being a dig my,

927
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: brother would check me and the mates would check me

928
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: and go what.

929
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: Are you doing? They would do that.

930
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: And that's about having a good cool cool. If you're

931
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: messing around, I expect you to go, hey, that's about

932
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: That's about having trust with people and building trusts and

933
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: building friendships. To the time you get in your forties,

934
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: you've got everything set, everything you don't.

935
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: Life isn't that hard.

936
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: We did talk about it on the last podcast about

937
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: having tussle with him.

938
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 2: People like that's how you get your network and you

939
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: you bounce off like real energy, like no one likes it.

940
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: Yes, man, people that are just saying yeah, yeah, that's great.

941
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: That's that's that's what.

942
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 3: You're getting you especially all the brothers and stuff, like

943
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 3: you're doing stuff with each other and you're like yeah yeah,

944
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 3: and then like, yeah, one of you guys might be

945
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: an introvert not really share your feelings. Like then you

946
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: might start talking shit to your friends. These guys fuck

947
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 3: you know, like because when you're in the business together

948
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 3: then money comes.

949
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: That's you know, you're going to have things change. When

950
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: money comes around.

951
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: So I understand that and be strong enough because these

952
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: guys are strong enough anyway, because you've flipped out. I

953
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: mean you're pivoted and you started doing this, So it

954
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: shouldn't be a tough conversation to have. What's going on

955
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 3: because money's coming in. We split everything three ways or

956
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: even no fucking five twenty five or vice versa.

957
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty three, thirty three, thirty three. Everyone gets an

958
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: equal share. You put in equal work. Yeah, that's what's

959
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: gonna happen.

960
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: So if you come in the party, I've got fifty

961
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 3: twenty five, you put it in twenty five percent of work. Yeah, yeah,

962
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: you have a fuck this guy, Yeah, do it all that.

963
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: That's what happens.

964
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 7: Then.

965
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 3: So when you do split the and we start doing

966
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: contracts and stuff, that be smart about it. It's like

967
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: friendship and business doesn't end well because you're going to

968
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: go up and up and up and up. You don't

969
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 3: you just want to sit here, Yeah, exactly, want to

970
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 3: get better. You guys are growing on social media. Everything's

971
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: going to happen because you've got the platform anyway, with

972
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 3: your with with the wrapping.

973
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you already built that sort of platform.

974
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: Now you guys would just grow and that's what happens

975
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 3: when you just got to get ship sorted, money wise

976
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: and all that sort of stuff. So so there's no

977
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: hard feelings or anything like that, right, it's business.

978
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so that's a muchly mad advice the

979
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: first that's giving us.

980
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: I take it in as well, because these are the

981
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: conversations that we like to hear. That Like, like, I

982
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: feel like uncomfortable conversations are the most important one.

983
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: They're the ones you got to get. They're the ones

984
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: that people just brush by.

985
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what you need to have a crew, like

986
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 3: with your boys that you feel comfortable.

987
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: Comfortable with this man, Yeah, one of you guys.

988
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: You guys are going to have on a bit of

989
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: a rampage I reckon in the next couple of years.

990
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: It's like, you've got to set that ship straight. Yeah,

991
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: get the little things right.

992
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: Tracking everything's equal, like, because get that ship sorted before

993
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: you take off, because it's going to happen.

994
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: You know what's hard. We're like we're pretty much behind.

995
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: We're doing everything ourselves. We don't really have a team

996
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: like doing everything.

997
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: I need that much, man, Yeah, you don't need that

998
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: much in the podcast game, you just need a couple

999
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 3: of cameras here, some mics, and some good people. Yeah,

1000
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 3: it's it like it's not hard, man, it's not like

1001
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: a production company. Yeah, get to that level where just

1002
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: say the fifteen year old kid who loves you, guys,

1003
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: they want to be you.

1004
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: Then they can come do stuff with you.

1005
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: You've got to think about that, like the long game,

1006
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: like five years, ten years, what's going to happen because

1007
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: his young cats will be fifteen or twenty, they'll be

1008
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: twenty five. Yeah, they might start they want to start

1009
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: their own podcast. So everyone's got stories to stay. Yeah,

1010
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, everyone's got a journey and

1011
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: that's why podcast is so good and get on you

1012
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: and talking shit and like you know, like you've meet

1013
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: different people and there's different energy and just learn, constantly learning.

1014
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was the hardest thing for you to overcome

1015
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: like growing up and like even for your NRL stage,

1016
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: your whole life in general, what was like one hard

1017
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: like traumatic thing that you had to overcome and get past?

1018
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: It probably the father thing. But you can use things

1019
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: two different ways, right.

1020
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 3: You could use it as a victim and go as this fuck,

1021
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: or you can use it to drive you to another level,

1022
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And that's where that's what

1023
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: it got me, is like it took a while because

1024
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: you used to go to church, will raise Catholics and

1025
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: all that sort of shit, you know, like and I

1026
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 3: was like every church every Sunday, Bible studies on Monday,

1027
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: all that stuff because my mom's.

1028
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: Like dad used to drop us off and go straight

1029
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: to the pub. I can look after these kids. So

1030
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: we were raised like that.

1031
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: And then when like you think, God took your father away,

1032
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: so it's hard to like process and go this is fair.

1033
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, house is fair. One of like eight kids, commission house,

1034
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: no father. My house is fair. So it took a

1035
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: while for me to wrestle in my head.

1036
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 3: Maybe that was the driving force for take my father,

1037
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 3: to take my father away, and then for me to

1038
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: have that extra drive because it was not There was

1039
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: never a day or game that I didn't think about him,

1040
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 3: and that probably and I'm very emotional with stuff like that,

1041
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: but it used to be like I never used to

1042
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: be able to talk about it.

1043
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: I get teed up.

1044
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: Now I just use it as like an energy force

1045
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: and like it makes you powerful because it can make

1046
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: you weak.

1047
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: You can have his.

1048
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: Victim mentality and like if you look like and feel

1049
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: sorry for me, oh man, my dad died at seventeen,

1050
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: like fucking shut up.

1051
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean? That's the way

1052
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: I look at it, just.

1053
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 3: Just it yeah, yeah, you know, like that's the way

1054
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: it is. And I had I did deal with it,

1055
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: so I don't have any trauma in my in my

1056
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: life now.

1057
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what i mean, all it is is

1058
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: like happy days. Man. Like it's like that's because you

1059
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: use it as a driving force.

1060
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how the other seven siblings used it,

1061
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: you know, but like I use it like to get

1062
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: me to that.

1063
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: Next level and it works.

1064
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: You know.

1065
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: I was still look at it today, like I got

1066
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: a little boy's like six years old, Like I love

1067
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: that little dude. Yeah, I mean, like I do anything

1068
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: for him, and I want to live around. I want

1069
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 3: to be around for like till he's like at least forty. Yeah,

1070
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: it's not That's that's why.

1071
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: I look at it.

1072
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: I'm like I didn't have my father, yeah, you know,

1073
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 3: like I was he was seventeen. So that's a ship

1074
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 3: that sort of drives you to another level. I'm leaving

1075
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: with nothing, like I got left with nothing. So you

1076
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 3: have these little things in your head like that can

1077
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: just fucking make you get out of bed and train

1078
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: make you get out of like just discipline. You just

1079
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: teach yourself and like doing all these other things. Like

1080
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: it's just it's a road of just like learning, knowing

1081
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 3: yourself and how you're.

1082
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: Built and what makes you tick.

1083
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 3: And like by the time you're my age, you guys,

1084
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: you should be just fucking animals.

1085
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like you should be built

1086
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: really tough. The ship that you've been through, especially going

1087
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: to jail and fucking pivoting doing this nothing fuck with you.

1088
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 4: Guys, Yeah, nothing mean because when you've.

1089
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: Been through ship. So I can't talk with young kids man,

1090
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: who have never been through life stuff. Yeah you know

1091
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: you go. You can't tell me what to do, man,

1092
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: you be through shiit? Yeah you do. Like I sit

1093
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: in meetings and something. Fuck off. I don't say that, you.

1094
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 4: Know what I mean?

1095
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: Just like, dude, Okay, listen to this, dude, Yeah, silver spoon,

1096
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: feed your whole life. It's shifting a bit, the like

1097
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: the new well, I'm still young.

1098
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: I can't really say new generation, but because so I

1099
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: run like, for example, I've I've got a couple of companies.

1100
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: One of them is my HVAC company, air con company,

1101
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: and I've I've been like washing through a lot of apprentices,

1102
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: like young younger guys, and man, they don't work. Yeah,

1103
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: and it's hard for me to like like, I don't know,

1104
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: I can't really connect with them, yeah, connect with them

1105
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: because like it'd be something like that's not bad, but

1106
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: it's not like they will always be on their phone

1107
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: or something. They'll do what I tell them to do,

1108
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: but then after they do that, they would just kind

1109
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: of like switch off.

1110
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: And social media is connected everybody, right, yeah, but it's

1111
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 3: disconnected everyone, so fucking yeah, it's a disconnection of the

1112
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 3: social sort of structure that we used to have, like conversations,

1113
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: hard conversations, like they can't even look at you know

1114
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: I and have a conversation, yeah, you know.

1115
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: And it's hard because I'm in that world as well,

1116
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: because I'm coaching young young.

1117
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 9: Men exactly, and I'm like dude, and I think I

1118
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 9: can listen, and it's hard for me because I'm like

1119
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 9: on board up old school, but I'm like understand, right,

1120
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 9: but I'm like you better understand, kid, because like this is.

1121
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: A different game, different Well, this is a different world.

1122
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: You're choosing this, well, I understand it. I get it.

1123
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 3: You don't just listen, right, And it's like you can't

1124
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: be pampid in this world. You can't have a mental

1125
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: mental break, mental mental depress. Yeah, like if you do,

1126
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 3: you're not going to You're not going to survive. Like

1127
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: you can't, especially in n A role. You'll try to

1128
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 3: play NRL son, You've got to be built different. You've

1129
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 3: got to you know, just you want to play local

1130
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: league and play local league, but I'm trying to get

1131
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: you at that spot in a couple of years, so

1132
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: you need to like you know, it's it's a bit

1133
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: different than coaching these days. Not a fucking guys that

1134
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: I have mentally try and break you down before you

1135
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: even got to first GA and I reckon that's what

1136
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 3: got us all.

1137
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: Through, because that's what we're different. Animals my age are

1138
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: differ built different.

1139
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, psychological thing man, Just yeah, that's why I find

1140
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 3: even talking to like a thirty five year old, twenty

1141
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 3: five year old, everyone's built different in those generations.

1142
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but you can't.

1143
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: I try and get with the young kids and just

1144
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 3: hard work in anything, Like you're teaching his young kids

1145
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 3: apprentice and that's.

1146
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: Like just hard work and work ethic.

1147
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 3: What are you teaching You're going to be a father

1148
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: one day to these young kids are going to be

1149
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: a father one day.

1150
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: It's what's going to happen in these next generations. That's

1151
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: what I worry about. Just why, like I'm solely built.

1152
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: My purpose is to teach my young boy how to

1153
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: be a fucking man exact you know what I mean?

1154
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: And the right sort of man, right like just like, yeah,

1155
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 3: that's what I blame most. I blame kids that are

1156
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: built right the parents, like the parents, because.

1157
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: You're only learning that ship from your parents.

1158
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: And like Archers at school now and I'm like, who's

1159
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 3: his friends and who's his friend's parents.

1160
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking at.

1161
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: She's going to be spending time with some of these guys,

1162
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 3: gonna be hanging around with other other fathers.

1163
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, watching you. Yeah, do you know what I'm saying?

1164
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: And I'm big on that because that's my whole purpose,

1165
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: is that little guy.

1166
00:48:58,560 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: You know, I got other shit sorted.

1167
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: I fucking laser in on that because in society right now,

1168
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: you've got to be raised right the right way.

1169
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: Man. It's your projection of your father and your mother.

1170
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a big deal to me because if

1171
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 3: he goes to school and he's a little fuck with, disrespectful, rude,

1172
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 3: and now that I'll be looking at me, Yeah, because.

1173
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: I reflect a reflection on him.

1174
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 3: I was going to project what he sees at home, like,

1175
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 3: you know, like I'd never drink alcohol, nothing at.

1176
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: Home, Yeah, because I saw a lot of that ship

1177
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: when I was younger. Yeah, never was when I'm never

1178
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: dreaming in front of my son.

1179
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: We never have, bro you know what's weird, Like because

1180
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: my dad was a he was like that as well.

1181
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: He drank a lot.

1182
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: And like I think they don't think that because we're

1183
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: young that we noticed. But I remember every single almost

1184
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: all the nights where he was overly drunk.

1185
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: I remember it. I remember. And now that we're.

1186
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 2: Older and we have kids as well, like those things

1187
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: they stay in head.

1188
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 3: Man, And I remember from like just say, from eight

1189
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 3: to like seventeen, just that a lot of dream a

1190
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: lot of alcoholic of domestic viands, all that sort of

1191
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 3: ship still in my head. Now, Wow, I'd never do that. Yeah,

1192
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 3: you know, it makes you sort of like just not

1193
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: do it. Yeah, you see it and you're uncomfortable when

1194
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: you're younger.

1195
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: And if you deal with your ship and you.

1196
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: You act on it like I do, Yeah, it doesn't

1197
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 3: traumatize me.

1198
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: It just makes me like, nah, it drives you not

1199
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, you know.

1200
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 3: I've got a fucking vodka company and stuff like that,

1201
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 3: so much alcohol.

1202
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: I got a whole seage in a foker company, in

1203
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: a tequila company. The whole fucking garage is full of it.

1204
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 1: To stay touch it, that's a different level. It's easy

1205
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: for me to drink because it's all the way at

1206
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: the bottom. Girls full of.

1207
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 7: Having men like yourself is very important for this next

1208
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 7: generation that they are.

1209
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: Pushing a lot of the like the male depression, I think, yeah,

1210
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 2: which is like it's masculinity and all that sort of stuff.

1211
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: I hear a lot of this stuff. I'm like, yeah,

1212
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: I get it.

1213
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but like social media is powerful, right,

1214
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: but having the presence of a young, older sort of

1215
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: man in your life, you can just tell you what

1216
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 3: to do and just give you some.

1217
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: Free game, educate you on stuff.

1218
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 4: I never had that.

1219
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was coming through, I didn't have like

1220
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: a guy I looked up to.

1221
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: My dad died at seventeen, right, and then there was

1222
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: never another influence in my life.

1223
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: That's good, Like I'd learned everything myself.

1224
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: I fucking raise myself and like understand things, and you know,

1225
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 3: like luckily he taught me enough to like to be

1226
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: a man and all these little things and shake hands and.

1227
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: I look people in that old school.

1228
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it serves a long way manners, little things.

1229
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 10: And you're the perfect You're the perfect example because even

1230
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 10: at a young age, it's very inspirational what you're saying.

1231
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 10: Because at a young age, like twelve to seventeen, especially

1232
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 10: when your brain's still vulnerable and you know, and you're

1233
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 10: trying to connect with society and everything.

1234
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: You can plant seeds easily.

1235
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 10: Yeah, And it's just amazing how you didn't like look

1236
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 10: towards drugs and drinking all these bad habits.

1237
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: Easily, because that's what I could have easily went that way.

1238
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 3: But it's like the hardest way was the way that

1239
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 3: I went. Yeah, because you've got to be disciplined. It's

1240
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: not a it's not a fluke. People might think, oh

1241
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 3: yeah this and that dude, you don't know what I'm doing.

1242
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: Nothing. I don't know what I'm doing.

1243
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: Nothing's given right because I was that that player in

1244
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 3: the two thousands that they should just print anything about

1245
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: I haven't anything if I walked out of a pub

1246
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: or anything like that. Willly Mason spotted in the fun

1247
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 3: So what Yeah, the only one. I don't care that.

1248
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 3: That comes back to my mindset.

1249
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: I never cared.

1250
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 3: About anything that they said in the tabloids or anything,

1251
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 3: because like I'm like, this is that's not real life,

1252
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 3: that's not makeup ship that you're putting in the paper.

1253
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 3: That I don't really give a fuck what everyone thinks anyway.

1254
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 3: All I cared about was like my family, my friends,

1255
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: the coaches and stuff like that. That's about it. Anyone else,

1256
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 3: Yeah shut up? Yeah, well what I want to care

1257
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 3: about anything?

1258
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: That's why on social media I don't give a fuck either.

1259
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't care, Like I don't care what your

1260
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 3: average Joe says about me or my his opinion on him.

1261
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: Everyone's got their own opinion. I don't care about yours.

1262
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: Really jump up. That's because it's my opinion. At least

1263
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: I got an opinion.

1264
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, sit there on social media and have your little say.

1265
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: It's like that doesn't fucking cesspool. I mean, but the

1266
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: thing too, I understand, like by the time social media

1267
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 3: come out in Instagram, I was already thirty, I was

1268
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 3: already psychologically built ready, I was already ready. I don't

1269
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: give a ship, so nothing fazed me on social media.

1270
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: I don't care about what anyone thinks, anyone you feel.

1271
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 7: Like ever, I feel like because of your strong character, yeah,

1272
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 7: you would have had people trying to all the time.

1273
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah they hate it, but they hate it because I

1274
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 3: never really cared about their opinions page of the Telegraph

1275
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: when everybody believed the Telegraph was like fucking.

1276
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: Gospel, believe that ship.

1277
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: Oh it's just going to wake up to it and

1278
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 3: just think that it's like a fucking bunch of ship.

1279
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1280
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: It's so I reckon they hated you that much because

1281
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: of like you didn't care. I remember the early two thousands, Bro,

1282
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: you were mentioned in so many everything. Of course where

1283
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 2: I thought that because your name Willie Mason was everywhere,

1284
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: I thought you were ex convict or something some like kid.

1285
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: And then I figured out it's the worst thing I

1286
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: did was piss in public twice.

1287
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: That's all I got because I got hit with this

1288
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 3: whole brand, Like really, it's a bad boy.

1289
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what did I do? I did I

1290
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: pisced in public? So that twice, Yeah, I got caught.

1291
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 3: Like we were in at Double Bay at the Sheaf

1292
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight and I was at the Roosters.

1293
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: I went down the back streets right, I wasn't in

1294
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: front of anyone or nothing. It's about eighty was still

1295
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 3: in a piss. This dude rolled past like popa paparazzi.

1296
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 3: That's how you get caught. Well when dude, yeah got

1297
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 3: me gone.

1298
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: There's a photo of it was the back page.

1299
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 3: It was a back page you gott find twenty grand

1300
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 3: or some shit like, And I'm like, I was not

1301
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 3: and this was They act like I was pissed on

1302
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 3: a fucking like a main street back streets of trying

1303
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 3: to get out of the way. But when you get

1304
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 3: caught professionally, yeah, you can't do anything about it.

1305
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, all you hear is oh shit, But I laugh

1306
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 2: about that ship.

1307
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: But people can actually fuck with that because they're like,

1308
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: how many times this exactly? Like it's like a normal thing.

1309
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 3: I did normal shiit Like I jumped a cab right

1310
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 3: in two thousand and two because me and my boys

1311
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 3: from Toronto West, they come down mad Monday, and this

1312
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 3: cabby thought that were like Wren from Sydney, and he

1313
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 3: tried to charges eighty bucks when I knew it was

1314
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: a twenty five dollars road road trip.

1315
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: I threw him the twenty forty bucks and then just

1316
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: got out of there. Yeah, and then.

1317
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 11: So we didn't pay. They acted like we didn't pay

1318
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 11: for the cab. Was actually we didn't pay for the cabs.

1319
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 11: And then I went and bought two hundred dollars worth

1320
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 11: of piss. So they've got us photograph with all this alcohol.

1321
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 11: I can't afford to pay a cab. Yeah, so they could.

1322
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 11: So people just believe that because.

1323
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 3: There was no social media or platform for me to

1324
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 3: come back and go no, man, I didn't do that.

1325
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: I didn't have told this story because I really didn't

1326
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: give a fuck about it.

1327
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah whatever, yeah, whatever, it's in public jump jump.

1328
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: I didn't jump the cabs. Doud got the money. Don't

1329
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 1: charge me eighty bucks when it's like a twenty dollars ride.

1330
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be crazy, So pub rust it would

1331
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 4: have been.

1332
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they can't do it now. But it's crazy.

1333
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:38,479
Speaker 1: It's a crazy time.

1334
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: It's a bit harder, you reckon, for them to do

1335
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 2: it now because now that we all can have.

1336
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: Our own And that's why the mainstream media is fighting

1337
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: for everything.

1338
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: They come up with these sensational bullshit.

1339
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 3: You know, they come up with mad stories because they've

1340
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 3: got to because you guys aren't getting your news from

1341
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: the Telegraph, all Channel Night, Fox, Sports, all that stuff

1342
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 3: that you're just watching on your phone. What you're connected

1343
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: to on that's that's how I get it. Yeah, Like

1344
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 3: and I'm forty five, makes you want like you're actually

1345
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: twenty five year old, thirty year old?

1346
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, getting it man, because this is attached to our hand. Yeah,

1347
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,479
Speaker 1: watch the news that's going on here, Search it done done.

1348
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: That's like I just watching TV. I watch k that's it.

1349
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: So I've got to watch every game on sport like

1350
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 3: on every weekend. Watch that I've got Netflix and like,

1351
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 3: but I don't really need that much man, seriously, Like

1352
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 3: what do you need?

1353
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: Like how many apps do you need? Yeah? Yeah, secking

1354
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: app for everything.

1355
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 4: It's bad.

1356
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 8: But you see like in the gyms as well these

1357
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 8: days there's people sculling on their phone.

1358
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not present, man, I like to be present

1359
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 3: in everything.

1360
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: Like you see my phones over there when I'm doing stuff.

1361
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't like.

1362
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 3: I don't because I get it. I hate that, you know,

1363
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 3: like young kids that aren't present. Like there's rules that

1364
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: the dogs. You can't have phones unless you're in your

1365
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 3: in your dressing shed. Yeah, there's no phones like when

1366
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 3: you're walking around the actual Belmore now unless you leave

1367
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 3: Belmore or you're in your locker room and you can

1368
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: check it and then you're out once you're out of

1369
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 3: the locker room. You got to you gotta have this

1370
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 3: because there's all these young kids coming up.

1371
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: Man, you're not they're not built right, ye you know.

1372
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 3: So like if you're at another and I'm pretty sure

1373
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 3: every club has that too now, like just because it's

1374
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 3: all about connection because the alcohol and everything's gone out

1375
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 3: of the game.

1376
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: They don't connect like we used to connect.

1377
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: And I'm not condoning alcohol or anything like that, but

1378
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: it's like these young cats don't do that, so they've

1379
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 3: got to connect on a different wave.

1380
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: Is it social media? Is it like bonding? How do

1381
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: you bond?

1382
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 3: Because most of these coaches only know get on the

1383
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: piss you sweet. No, No, most of these kids don't drink. Yeah,

1384
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, how do you bond?

1385
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 3: Then you've got to do other things, man do games

1386
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: and all that sort of ship. But one thing alcohol

1387
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 3: does do. Wayne Bennett even said this, It does bond.

1388
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 3: Players does bond because like just say, if you're an introvert,

1389
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 3: you're an introvert, I'm an extrovert, whatever, and then you

1390
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you don't say shit all pre season.

1391
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: Then we have a couple of beers and you're.

1392
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 3: Like, you open up, you know what I mean, you

1393
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 3: open up so you become honorable, you know, But nothing happened,

1394
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 3: Nothing good happens after twelve o'clock. That's the way I

1395
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 3: need to say as well. So those things they're all right,

1396
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 3: he's all right and everything. So it does open it up,

1397
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 3: open those those conversations that you wanted to have, especially

1398
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 3: for the Polynesian brothers. You know, doesn't always gonna get

1399
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 3: to ausies that are crazy anyway, they don't need sucking

1400
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: any alcohol, yeah I'm saying, but like it's always young

1401
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 3: the young brothers who they don't say much.

1402
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,479
Speaker 1: And then you see him have a couple of beers.

1403
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's all right, but it's like you can't

1404
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: say do it. You can't say don't do it where

1405
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 3: it's like there's a place for it, but like you

1406
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 3: don't want to say, yeah, these guys are full of

1407
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 3: piss and they fucked up, because yeah, you don't want

1408
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 3: to be responsible for it.

1409
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: So imagine being a coach. You're like, yeah, have a.

1410
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 3: Beer and then then you're like you close your eyes

1411
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 3: and you know, the guys on the bi they go away,

1412
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 3: like there's no more mad mondays.

1413
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I'm glad you toss up on that

1414
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: because I was, because because now I don't drink. But

1415
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: I would always tell my misses that, like man like

1416
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: it wasn't always like fights and like all bad stuff,

1417
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: Like there were some memorable times with my brothers that

1418
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: I've really enjoyed, you know, when I was on the.

1419
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 3: So many memories on the piss, it's like it's good

1420
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 3: that you've done that drawing line in the sand.

1421
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: Like even for me this year, I'm like, I probably

1422
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: drank four times. I just don't. I never do anything

1423
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: in Sydney and it's not on purpose or you don't

1424
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: want you don't, Yeah, you don't have tail.

1425
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 3: I don't come, I don't connecting if I went to

1426
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 3: a club or something and I'm just.

1427
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, doing here. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1428
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: Like that'sn't even come in the last sort of eighteen months.

1429
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 3: I'm like, nah, it's sad. Yeah, I see myself down

1430
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 3: the pavilion or something fucking five minutes from could you right, yeah,

1431
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 3: walk there, and I'm like, nah, any special occasion.

1432
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: I was in Vegas three weeks ago.

1433
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 3: Oh, Like I just like I sort of draw a

1434
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: one seeing I do one here here here, and then

1435
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 3: that's about it.

1436
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: That's that's exactly like me. That's what I'm doing. So

1437
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 2: like we got some wedding events and stuff and birthdays.

1438
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll have like a few cocktails or a couple

1439
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: of beers with the boys, but other than that, like

1440
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 2: I also feel like I over milked out, Like all

1441
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: the vendors we've done, I've.

1442
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 3: Done enough to fucking do you know what I mean?

1443
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 3: Like I don't have to prove myself. I just yeah,

1444
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 3: And I'm just like I just won't. I've come down

1445
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 3: to I won't do it in Sydney. I just don't there.

1446
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 3: I just really focused on that, and then I think

1447
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 3: I did a Magic Rams in Brisbane. I had a

1448
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 3: couple of beers and like Perth Origin. Then I was

1449
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 3: in Vegas. That's about it.

1450
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so three and then I'll try and even it out.

1451
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 3: Then I'm going to go on a levels has taken

1452
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 3: a lot of people are over the ashes that play.

1453
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: England over there. Oh yeah, no, probably you're in England. Yeah.

1454
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: I mean I'm taking people to you know what I mean,

1455
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: And it's fun for me. I'm not Sydney.

1456
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with alcohol, That's the thing,

1457
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 3: because I can just not drink if I don't want

1458
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 3: to drink.

1459
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: I don't sit there and.

1460
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 3: Go, oh man, I just want to get off the

1461
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 3: alcohol because I'm get the hangover and I'm like.

1462
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: No, it's not a problem.

1463
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1464
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: I got even drink for twenty six weeks because I

1465
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: just didn't want to. Yeah. Right, And if I want

1466
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: to do it, I do it. I'm big enough and

1467
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: strong enough. Now men go yeah, like I know what

1468
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm like too. I fucking still go at it. That's

1469
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: what I'm trying. That's what I try and take away

1470
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: from myself as well. I'm like, don't put yourself in

1471
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: that position. Yeah, because you know what you like? You

1472
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: know what you like? That's one or two, one or

1473
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: two three drinks I call the boys.

1474
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying it's just like you know, like I'm like, ah,

1475
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 3: that's what I don't really I don't really hang out

1476
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 3: with that many players as well, and mates in Sydney

1477
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 3: all the rest of you know, Rennie. Renie is a

1478
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 3: good friend of mine. We like if we connect, like

1479
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 3: could we want to connect on a different level. You know,

1480
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: we go out for dinner and stuff like that. It's

1481
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 3: not like that anymore. Yeah, A lot of the guys

1482
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 3: in Sydney, they're all family men, like businesses and all.

1483
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: That sort of shit. That's busy. Everyone's too busy anyway.

1484
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: That Sydney. Yes, it's a good place.

1485
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 3: To focus because you've got so much ship on you

1486
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 3: get really locked down like that. I say, in Sydney,

1487
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 3: I could be busy all day every day if I

1488
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 3: choose to be.

1489
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: But I've set stuff up where.

1490
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 3: It's like like on a Tuesday, I like to just

1491
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 3: train in the morning, go do some well his stuff

1492
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 3: like recovery and like all that sort of stuff, and

1493
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 3: then I got.

1494
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: Time for this. You got time, you know.

1495
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 3: That's why I was down and could you before Rico?

1496
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 3: Just like for two or three hours, We're waiting on

1497
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: fucking Omar to come pick us up.

1498
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 2: All man, that Rico guy is dangerous to be with.

1499
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 2: If you want to quit drinking, I'll tell you that much.

1500
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: But try to get Rica on the straight and narrow.

1501
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 2: So I met I met Rico through Omar. But but Rico, bro,

1502
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: he knows a lot of guys.

1503
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: He knows everyone. This guy knows everyone. He knows everyone.

1504
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: He started telling me people he knew like that that

1505
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: he knows a lot of people that we know as

1506
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:33,439
Speaker 2: well from the area.

1507
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I haven't even know. We've got yeah,

1508
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: a podcast with this guy. Did he grow up in Yeah?

1509
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 3: And then he's from Ipswich Brisbane. Boy, I meet him

1510
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 3: through a few guys. Yeah, he's a good dude. Yeah,

1511
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 3: Soul of the earth. Just loves helping people, man, Yeah,

1512
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like connects people. And I'm like, yeah,

1513
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 3: he's a good cat.

1514
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I did tell him exactly what you just said.

1515
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 2: How Because we me and Omar went up to Gold

1516
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: Coast and we felt like the pace there was so

1517
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 2: slow to like to Sydney here because We went up

1518
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 2: there with the Sydney mentality, We're going to get this

1519
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 2: and that done.

1520
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 4: We couldn't.

1521
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 2: Everyone was like, oh yeah, we'll have to order it.

1522
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: It will come in in a couple of Weeks're like, what.

1523
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Sydney's onto it.

1524
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1525
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 3: If this city moves quick, start making good moves. Connect

1526
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 3: with the right people. You be on your way. You're

1527
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 3: busy all the time. You got jobs, You got jobs,

1528
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 3: you got jobs. This podcast a side hustle for is. Yeah,

1529
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, your main thing should be

1530
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 3: family first and then like health and then business. Yeah,

1531
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 3: that's your prior is when your priorities changed when you

1532
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 3: get older, you know what I mean, Like one's family

1533
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 3: first and then health, yeah, and then business and whatever.

1534
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 3: I still go to church, and that I go sometimes

1535
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 3: every time. I sort of need to add quiet time. Yeah,

1536
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 3: I sit there just to reflect, you know, like I

1537
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 3: just it's more I think, you know, I can just

1538
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 3: go into there's a Catholic church up near my house. I

1539
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 3: just it's probably like a kilometer walk walk up there

1540
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 3: on the time. If I've got time on a Sunday,

1541
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 3: get there, just listen.

1542
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: It's good just to be silent.

1543
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 4: I talk a lot.

1544
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: You know why you talk a lot during the week.

1545
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 3: You give a lot of any out to people trying

1546
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 3: to help this, this.

1547
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: This, and next. You know, sometimes you need a bit

1548
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: of time for yourself to go the podcast. Yeah, do

1549
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Like, and you're trying to help,

1550
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: constantly trying to help.

1551
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: There's a lot of energy coming your way, and like

1552
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 3: it depends how you take it's good and bad. And

1553
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 3: just sit there and just reflect and listen. Right, it's

1554
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 3: funny because the dudes must be from Mexico or something

1555
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 3: like the priest.

1556
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: I can't really understand.

1557
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 3: Oh, and he's dog like it is, you know, and

1558
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 3: you know, and dog like this. I'm just like, I

1559
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 3: can't concentrate what I'm saying. And he's such a cool dude,

1560
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 3: but he's like he speaks like broken English. Yeah, and

1561
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 3: it's very much culture, man, very Another guy comes in

1562
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 3: from the Philippines. He can barely talk English. Yeah, I'm.

1563
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: The broken Philippine language. Right, it's the best. It's hilarious.

1564
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

1565
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 3: So you know what I'm saying, I'm just sitting at

1566
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 3: the back, dude, it's making me laugh. I'm trying to,

1567
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 3: like because it brings back good, good good and I

1568
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 3: had memories for me, right, yeah, because like I try,

1569
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 3: and as I said, my trouble with God and when

1570
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 3: Dad passed away, so I had to have like these

1571
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 3: moments like fucking why do you do that? And then

1572
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 3: you sort of come around and still those memories come

1573
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 3: back because the last time I was sort of in there,

1574
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 3: like Dad was getting buried all that sort of shit,

1575
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 3: So that sort of hits home still, but it's the

1576
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 3: good memories as well. Yeah, because you're old enough now

1577
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 3: I'm my father, I'm sort of like in a totally

1578
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 3: different statuspy from when I was twenty five.

1579
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I never going to church in my whole twenties.

1580
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 3: You know, it took a while for me to come

1581
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 3: back in there and feel comfortable or not emotional, you know, because.

1582
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: It just brought back all that fucking memories. I'm like,

1583
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: I see.

1584
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So every time I'm in there, even if weddings

1585
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 3: and shit like that, I'll be like, oh.

1586
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: What's happening. I'll be like, yeah, it sort of hit

1587
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: me like that.

1588
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 3: I was like, and I deal with it, right, I

1589
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 3: don't give a shit if I cry or anything like

1590
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck.

1591
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here. I'm not going to cry. I feel

1592
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: like crying. I fucking cry, you know.

1593
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 3: And I was like, all though my mates getting married

1594
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 3: in the two thousands stuff, I'm like sitting there going

1595
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 3: I don't know why, it's not supposed to be a

1596
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 3: happy moment.

1597
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: And I'm just like my part would be like, wait,

1598
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: cry for some happy for him. But it was like

1599
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: sitting there thinking.

1600
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 3: About Dad, and I'm like, oh, last time I was here,

1601
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 3: I was carrying a casket out, do you know what

1602
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 3: I mean?

1603
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: You know. I was like, it's a different sort of feeling.

1604
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: But then there's the beginning of a new beginning, and

1605
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I always think of stuff like that.

1606
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 3: Hectic again again, but I go there now just to

1607
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 3: go just give me some time now, forty five minutes.

1608
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: And just walk home. It's a long time, yeah, man,

1609
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: forty five to an hour. I just did I dip in?

1610
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 3: I did I just come in because you know the

1611
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 3: church people like on Sundays or they wait till the

1612
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 3: end and they try and get I'm already out before

1613
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 3: he says, before he says anything, I'm already down the street.

1614
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 3: So they can't get me already coming towards me.

1615
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: Okay, you always go.

1616
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 2: To church bro with like, So it's it's interesting actually

1617
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 2: because we've been sharing some Bible versus on on online too.

1618
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 2: So our dad was a pastor when we're young, which

1619
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: is weird.

1620
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because we all went astray when we

1621
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: were young.

1622
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: But I feel like he taught us enough that it

1623
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 2: kind of even though we weren't listening at the time

1624
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 2: for some reason. It just a lot of little like

1625
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 2: Bible courts and stuff. Well, just like will sit there

1626
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 2: somewhere in the back pocket and then it wouldn't shine

1627
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 2: out to us until we'll like confined inside prison once

1628
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 2: where you're when you're by yourself, the human mind, oh.

1629
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: Man, you go because you store that way in the

1630
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: back and then it just went straight at.

1631
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: The front and then like when you actually have time

1632
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 2: to sit this why I feel like a lot of

1633
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 2: boys figure out who they are in prison, because when

1634
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 2: you're stuck there with your mind and you're sitting in

1635
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 2: four walls, you've got no other distraction around you, you

1636
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 2: really figure out who you are, like who you are,

1637
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 2: and then like you and then everything from the back

1638
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: pocket comes out in your mind, like it reminds you

1639
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 2: all of this special things like that people have told

1640
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: you about you, and like just all they think that

1641
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,759
Speaker 2: it bombards you, bro, like when you're by yourself.

1642
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:10,799
Speaker 1: What influenced you, Guys when you were younger? Was it music? Obviously?

1643
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 3: What sort of music influenced you to get into sort

1644
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 3: of rapping and stuff. So I love hip hop, but.

1645
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 2: We we notice as when we were young growing up,

1646
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 2: we saw the power of music, right, like even in

1647
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 2: the even in the bad sense. So a lot of

1648
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 2: the things that me and my brother got caught for

1649
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 2: the robberies when we were young, Bro, we had to

1650
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 2: jam a Tupac song on the way there, like you know,

1651
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 2: and yeah, and it just like there's a lot of

1652
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 2: power behind music, and yeah, we understood the power of

1653
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 2: it when we were so young. We realized like what

1654
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 2: it does here, how it moves you. And I guess

1655
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 2: we kind of we took it in the wrong direction

1656
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 2: by you know, like all the we started doing the

1657
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 2: drill music and stuff as well, because we we were

1658
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 2: in that life at that time, and we felt like

1659
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 2: we wanted other people who are in the life as

1660
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 2: well to resonate with us. But then after a while

1661
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,679
Speaker 2: we kind of just had a wake up call because

1662
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 2: we saw what he was doing not only to people

1663
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 2: like kids around us, but also to each other.

1664
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to be accountable for each other.

1665
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: So if my brother gets shot next week, I have

1666
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 2: to live with the fact that I played a.

1667
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: Part in influencing him.

1668
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 3: You know, it's fucking heavy, isn't it. Yeah, because that's

1669
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It didn't I didn't really expect the

1670
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 3: whole Western suburbs to blow up like it did in

1671
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,799
Speaker 3: a real short moment. It's just like, that's what ignited

1672
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 3: the whole thing. Was added the music element into the

1673
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 3: sort of stuff that was already going around.

1674
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what sort of music influence you? But like

1675
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: hip hop? Obviously?

1676
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously it would have been hip hop a lot of.

1677
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which one.

1678
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 4: It would have been?

1679
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: The sick?

1680
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1681
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, he's aggressive as well, isn't he.

1682
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 7: I think anyone that who used to listen to him

1683
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 7: would have been up to the yeah him.

1684
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 1: Nine two when I was like nineteen twenty. Yeah, he

1685
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: influenced me, Like you always listen to rough Rider's anthems?

1686
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, before the games, that's always pump and still yeah

1687
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 3: that song.

1688
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: It's still going in there, man, it's in the gym,

1689
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: it's everywhere.

1690
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 3: DMX influence a hell of a lot of Yeah, two Pac, Biggie,

1691
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 3: all those sort of place was called fifty three four.

1692
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 3: It was unstoppable. Yeah, unstoppable. The game was unstoppable. I

1693
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 3: love all those bokes.

1694
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you reckon?

1695
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 7: Would be like your go to music on the footy field,

1696
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 7: and you say, dumples.

1697
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 3: A lot of DMX, A lot of a lot of

1698
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,560
Speaker 3: different songs, man, Like different songs would get you in

1699
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 3: a different like different. Yeah, it's like some slow songs

1700
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 3: and some something about like your father or death and

1701
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 3: stuff like that.

1702
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,560
Speaker 1: Would get me going in a different level.

1703
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 3: Where if I want to just chill out, I'll be

1704
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 3: listening to DMX fifty all that sort of stuff and

1705
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 3: snoop all those guys.

1706
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 4: With slow songs.

1707
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, romantic music ever along the.

1708
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: Mind players used to listen to Usher and lot Wily Tongue.

1709
01:11:54,360 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah before games confessions enjoy it. We used to. I

1710
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: loved hip hop. I was in that era where it

1711
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:08,919
Speaker 1: was like the two thousands.

1712
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 3: It was a gangster man. Yeah, I remember going to

1713
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 3: because one of my main sire. He used to get

1714
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 3: out take get all the hip hop.

1715
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,879
Speaker 1: Guys out of here in the twenty fifty game, snoop.

1716
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,560
Speaker 3: All those guys, man, I used to get to meet them, yeah,

1717
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 3: exhibit all these sort of blokes.

1718
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:26,759
Speaker 1: Those guys had a mad run.

1719
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 3: Into two thousand, but they were the biggest because I remember, Yeah,

1720
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 3: he got us access like backstage and ship.

1721
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: So we used to love it. And that's when they

1722
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: were at the peak.

1723
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 3: The peak in two thousands, like two thousand and three,

1724
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 3: four or five seven, hip hop was mad.

1725
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: The clubs were mad. Back then.

1726
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 3: There was heaps of hip hop clubs in the in

1727
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 3: Sydney like Moccomar and all these joints Cave.

1728
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 1: That was a mental time.

1729
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 4: People listening to juwel now they love it.

1730
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 3: Guys like Fox and like Critter and all these west

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01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 3: man Yeah, I love it.

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01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: Drill you can listen to you know what's funny? You

1733
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: know what's funny.

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01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 2: One of my mates actually, like he was telling me,

1735
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 2: he was laughing because even while we were doing drill music.

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01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 2: When I drink, I love a bit of country. A yeah, yeah,

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01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 2: I don't mind country.

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01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 3: Some right songs, big big dude, Yeah, what does he

1739
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 3: sell out, Like, I forget his name, Sean Combes, that's puffaddy.

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01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: Something Cones big Coms. That is that the blonde hair?

1741
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the big big dude? He's a

1742
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: bigger guy. No, what's your name? Some Combes? It's not

1743
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: b Diddy. I don't even know what is probab He's

1744
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: getting out or something. Didn't he know he's not?

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01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, what an episode, bro. I hope you guys

1746
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 2: loved and enjoyed that. This is actually amazing. A lot

1747
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 2: of the a lot of the conversations. It caught us

1748
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: by shot because we generally like didn't know much about Willie's.

1749
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 2: A lot of our questions and the answers, we were

1750
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: just soaking it all in because, bro, like we've only

1751
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: seen this guy on the TV and the newspapers. This

1752
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 2: was actually a special interview, like not only for you guys,

1753
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: but for us as well.

1754
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: I hope you guys love that episode.

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01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 4: As we can. Our young fellow is fine.

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01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 3: Yaw Willie Mason ten. Yeah that's my Instagram podcast Levels Network.

1757
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I'm not on social media, but I'm like,

1758
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 3: you know, like co lab everything and all that Colab

1759
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 3: is the best thing.

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01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: That happened on Instagram. Yeah, have to put the shit

1761
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 1: up yourself. Yeah, except that's true. That's cool.

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01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 2: Before we wrap it up, is there any Is there

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01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 2: any advice you'd give to any young blokeout there trying to.

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01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: Make it out. Just have a crack. Yeah, No, like,

1765
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: go in there and just have a dig. Like, look

1766
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: at all you guys. There's no excuses.

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01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: And the world is your oyster at the moment.

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 3: There's so many platforms you can build, there's podcasts as anything.

1770
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 3: You can do anything right now in twenty twenty five,

1771
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 3: So just go for it.

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01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 2: Is God bless love and blessing to everyone. Thank you

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01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 2: for tuning in. We see guys on the next one,

1774
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 2: will you young man?

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01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to lose.

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01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 4: I still don't want to dance with Mark Crew.

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01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: You're from my twenty one day for me on that

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Speaker 2: real life that sorde of laugh For Tuesday