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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is the Independent

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Speaker 1: Member for goid Keesy Eppuric.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Hey, good morning Katie. I was

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Speaker 2: a bit shock when she said that because being in

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Speaker 2: length of Parliament that she has been in and I

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Speaker 2: can't recall if the achievements has been on a Select committee,

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Speaker 2: but I've been on two of them. One was to

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Speaker 2: do with you suicide in the Northern Territory I know

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Speaker 2: three actually, One was to do with fetal alcohol spective

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Speaker 2: disorder to try and get a full understanding of the

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Speaker 2: extent of it in the Northern Territory and the impacts

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Speaker 2: and the consequences. And the other one was in regards

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Speaker 2: to the death of the cattle on the University managed

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Speaker 2: and owned station cattle station at Mataranga. So they were

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Speaker 2: all very important inquiries. I wouldn't call it a review, Katie.

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Speaker 2: It's an inquiry inquiry that com be an select committee

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Speaker 2: inquired into a matter or a subject matter.

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Speaker 1: And in this case, you go, how important do you

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Speaker 1: think it is that this inquiry happens.

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Speaker 2: Everything It just seems to be tumbling around when it

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Speaker 2: comes to the Northern Territory Police Force. Yes, we know

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Speaker 2: the officers you know, the rank and file are out

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Speaker 2: there doing what police officers do, and managements doing what

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Speaker 2: they have to do. But we've just had another case,

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Speaker 2: as you said, last week, of three officers being charged

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Speaker 2: and arrested for various offenses you know internally or elite

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Speaker 2: to things of that nature. We've had, We've had retirements,

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Speaker 2: We've had people sadly taking their own lives while in

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Speaker 2: the force. We've still got issues before eye tacking regards

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Speaker 2: to the Yindumu shooting. We've still got a coronial to

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Speaker 2: go through that will involve more police. The whole Zach

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Speaker 2: Ryce saga, I think was a very sad saga, and

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Speaker 2: it just seems to keep tumbling and tumbling and tumbling.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: A Select Committee, as I think I've mentioned before, the

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Speaker 2: enterprises different members of the Parliament, different ends of the chamber,

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Speaker 2: so government being government would have the majority of members,

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Speaker 2: one opposition, one independent. Government gets to visit there can

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Speaker 2: determine the terms of reference. They could be as tight

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Speaker 2: as tight a short time frame, which means the committee's

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Speaker 2: got to get on and get cracking with the work.

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Speaker 2: The Secretariat is already there within the parliament, like the

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Speaker 2: people are there. You know, the cost to the government,

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Speaker 2: the cost is nothing. The cost of the partment would

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Speaker 2: be negligible. And yet it gives the opportunity to speak

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Speaker 2: to people either publicly or behind camera, if it's like

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Speaker 2: rotten within the police force. Now I don't know where

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Speaker 2: or what the contributing factors are, but clearly there's a

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Speaker 2: great malaise and we need to get on top of

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Speaker 2: and we need to get on top quickly. Yes, police

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Speaker 2: can do what police do. Government cars, the minister can

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Speaker 2: direct the police to do certain things, speak to them

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Speaker 2: in the normal course of the Minister to police commissioner

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Speaker 2: and executive. But this could be running parallel and it

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Speaker 2: could do some enormous good work. It could uncover things

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Speaker 2: that no one's thought about. You can speak to experts

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Speaker 2: from interstate. The research can be done into you know,

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Speaker 2: similar kinds of select committees into state like yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, for example, if there's been other parliaments we've

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Speaker 2: had a select committee looking to police operations or particular

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: So it's nothing it's dead set, not a talk fest.

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Speaker 2: You get eminently qualified people for whatever you're looking at.

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Speaker 2: Like with the FASBI, we had exceptionally qualified medical people

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Speaker 2: all that together, you pull it together and report. You know,

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Speaker 2: you can come up with recommendations, Look, you really need

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand why the government is so resistant

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Speaker 1: Put that aside for a second. Even the fact that

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Speaker 2: I don't either. I mean, select committees are generally, but

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Speaker 2: It is a It is a tool of the parliament.

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Speaker 2: The parliament is doing the work, not a minister, not

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Speaker 2: we really do need more time and this is why

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Speaker 2: this is all the submissions we've got. See, people can

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Speaker 2: write in, people can appear before the committee. So it

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Speaker 2: really Yeah, it baffles me why there's a reluctance, But

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Speaker 2: I did see a glimmer of hope, or I did

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, but I just want people to

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Speaker 2: understand that a select Committee is not a political football

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Speaker 2: and it's not a gab fest. It's serious work from

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Speaker 2: parliaments in Australia to do it, you know, whatever.

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Speaker 1: The thing to you know kids. Yeah, it is a situation,

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Speaker 1: isn't it around the around Australia where there are indeed,

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is. I just can't even think any of

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Speaker 2: the top of my mind. But we've looked in animal

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Speaker 2: welfare issues. Elsewhere in the country, they've looked into Oh,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I even look at the Federal inquiries

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Speaker 2: it's a select committee. It's selected to do a job.

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Speaker 2: Once the job's done, the reports delivered, the committee disbands

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're resistant here because they're worried that

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Speaker 2: The the police or the government. But it's well, it's not

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Speaker 2: really the government you'd be looking into. You'd be looking

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Speaker 2: It could resource, it could include funding, it could include

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Speaker 2: It could draw on examples from in the state, or

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Speaker 2: or whatever. You know, the police commissioner can appear, any

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Speaker 2: thing Katie is it has the full full weight and

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Speaker 2: So it's a serious thing, but most times it's a

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Speaker 2: and difficult, but you try to make it. You're trying

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Speaker 2: what's going on? Why did this happen? How have we

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Speaker 2: police force, How we got to the situation that our

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Speaker 2: police force is not the most desirable destination for a career.

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Speaker 2: How we got to this stage. So they're the kind

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Speaker 2: was like, yes, thank you for your hard work. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we like what you've found out. We like what the

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand their resistance on this, And I

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Speaker 1: be understood is that they're asking the community to trust

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Speaker 1: to them being able to get crime under control and

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Speaker 1: you know, stopping that recidivism and things like that. But

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Speaker 2: Well, well probably not, but I don't think crime is

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Speaker 2: under control. You know, the police are doing what police do,

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Speaker 2: but you know they're picking up the pieces. They're trying

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Speaker 2: to be a deterrent as well, but there needs to

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Speaker 2: be more police visible to be that deterrent. Now. The

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Speaker 2: the police force and more than ever before. And that's fine.

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Speaker 2: But my statement is you might be putting a lot

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Speaker 2: Well that's the other thing that can come out. People

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Speaker 2: it's just not being directed and used properly in an

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Speaker 1: Well, Kesier, they are, that's right, and they are all

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Speaker 1: the kind of questions that people are wanting answered at

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Speaker 1: this point. But the government does seem resistant. Let's see

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Speaker 1: how things go this week in parliament. We will no

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Speaker 1: doubt talk to you again throughout the week. Thank you, Kesier,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. That is independent member for going to their

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Speaker 1: Kesia Puric