Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch up podcast, Happy Tuesday, Little Tiny Freaks.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, I found myself for the
Speaker 1: Royal National Park up north, about forty five kilometers from
Speaker 1: the CBD. It's crazy to me, we don't get this
Speaker 1: in Victoria. You drive for half an hour, You're in
Speaker 1: National Park right outside Australia's most cosmopolitan city. Like just
Speaker 1: doesn't make her mind. In New South Wales, you'd be
Speaker 1: so proud that you have residency here, guys, residency you know,
Speaker 1: like you got a long stint. Yeah, I had to
Speaker 1: get here on my own, Robbolition.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so Mickey and I are the real Necker baby.
Speaker 1: Like honestly, yeah.
Speaker 2: Good.
Speaker 1: But anyway, where I went allegedly had sharks. So I
Speaker 1: want to ask you, Flexi and Mickey and everyone else listening,
Speaker 1: would you swim in shark infested waters not only for
Speaker 1: a bit, but also because it's really hot when you
Speaker 1: go for a hike. You alwayslex broops. Let's go, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, it's time for Flexi is a big question
Speaker 1: of the week.
Speaker 2: I love doing this series so much. We've had a
Speaker 2: few big questions. The first one.
Speaker 1: Was big, but not that big. Hey.
Speaker 2: The first one was what's the worst way someone could
Speaker 2: describe you? The second big question we had is why
Speaker 2: do your friends like you? Or why do you think?
Speaker 2: At the very least, and our third big question, what
Speaker 2: have you decided is your purpose for life?
Speaker 1: WHOA?
Speaker 2: And I'm asking because for a few reasons, But the
Speaker 2: one that's got me is someone who's raised quite religious
Speaker 2: or in a religious household, and then has now broadened
Speaker 2: my interest into spirituality and esotericism and all these things
Speaker 2: that provide meaning right or at least a direction for
Speaker 2: how to filter what's happening in life. I start to
Speaker 2: think to myself, does everybody feel this way? Is everybody
Speaker 2: going around living day to day thinking this is all
Speaker 2: for some grander meaning? For me? For example, every day
Speaker 2: I get up and I think to myself, is this
Speaker 2: what I'm actually here to do? Like of all the
Speaker 2: sperms of all the eggs that have the opportunity to
Speaker 2: vie for my position, I made it. I was fighting
Speaker 2: on the way out, and now that I'm here, is
Speaker 2: this It is this what I meant to be doing?
Speaker 2: And I don't think and I don't want to sway
Speaker 2: anyone else's opinion on what life's purpose is, and we
Speaker 2: don't usually answer the question before we pose it. But
Speaker 2: I would say there is no grand, singular purpose and
Speaker 2: that's the confusing thing. But I think unless you give
Speaker 2: yourself a purpose, you kin'dt always live and regret a
Speaker 2: little bit because you don't have anything to measure your
Speaker 2: history by. Let's say you say, oh, the purpose for
Speaker 2: life is just to love and be loved.
Speaker 1: Yeap.
Speaker 2: When you do things that aren't in alignment, like you're like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't love my work. Go find something that you
Speaker 2: want to do that you really love. H I don't
Speaker 2: love my social life. Okay, well you can make some
Speaker 2: small adjustments. But let's say life doesn't have a purpose
Speaker 2: for you and you're also not enjoying yourself. Where do
Speaker 2: you make adjustments to, like, figure out how to make
Speaker 2: it good for yourself?
Speaker 1: Your depressants great sunlight.
Speaker 2: And sunlight that'll do it. So that is the question
Speaker 2: for the week. How it goes is on our Instagram
Speaker 2: Flex and frooms. We post a question box on our
Speaker 2: Instagram story and that is where you can put your
Speaker 2: answer and then we'll discuss your answers and see if
Speaker 2: we can find not even just a singular response, but
Speaker 2: just to get a bit of a barometer check on
Speaker 2: what you feel and why you feel it, so we
Speaker 2: can be closer to you and you in turn can
Speaker 2: be closer to us.
Speaker 1: There is a Guardian article about pet theft in Australia.
Speaker 1: This is really sad, guys. They publish a following story
Speaker 1: with the title They're My Kids, Pet theft, pet detectives
Speaker 1: and the rise of the multi species family. Well, so
Speaker 1: allegedly there's been the advent of a thing called pet
Speaker 1: detective Why because we are seeing that people are actually
Speaker 1: stealing pets. You know.
Speaker 2: Actually kind of makes sense because I would say, on
Speaker 2: average twice a week I see someone post a story
Speaker 2: being like has anybody seen this cat? Has aybody seen
Speaker 2: this cat? And I, as someone who doesn't own pets,
Speaker 2: she's like, damn, are those all running away? Like what's
Speaker 2: going on there? No, they're being taken.
Speaker 1: So the advent of pet detectives reflects a broader change
Speaker 1: in the way many in wealthy societies interact with and
Speaker 1: value pets. So over the past few years, the price
Speaker 1: of pets, particularly dogs, and especially fashionable breeds has vastly increased.
Speaker 2: What do we talk about why during lockdown?
Speaker 1: My dad wanted a dog? Okay, okay, classic, it is
Speaker 1: not likely that that man shows an interesting pets. However,
Speaker 1: he was infected by the kavoodle crase and he said,
Speaker 1: I want one of them kovoodle dogs, which is a
Speaker 1: poodle and a cavalier. I think is that what the
Speaker 1: kovoodle is and they're the real extensive ones.
Speaker 2: Hey, how many want to talk?
Speaker 1: Watch cup round dog? Give ten k? Oh, it's giving
Speaker 1: ten k about twelve years ago to get a little
Speaker 1: tiny toy poodle. We were talking about two k, which.
Speaker 2: Was the higher inflation hit every industry.
Speaker 1: Ten k during COVID. Okay, eight k probably, but like I'm.
Speaker 2: Wanting to add the little things you gotta get out
Speaker 2: of the vet bills and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it makes sense that somebody wants to steal
Speaker 1: a little krusty kavoodle, although I do believe they are
Speaker 1: the krusties of animals. So alongside the dollar value rise,
Speaker 1: pets have become. Pets have come to occupy an increasingly
Speaker 1: intimate role in Australian households, and with this the business
Speaker 1: of not only keeping pets but stealing and retrieving them
Speaker 1: has changed.
Speaker 2: So was the presumption that because the idea of a
Speaker 2: pets role has changed and it's seen as this luxury item,
Speaker 2: this luxury whatever, the people stealing them aren't doing so
Speaker 2: for emotional reasons, like I want a dog and you
Speaker 2: have a cute one. But it's the value. Like, for example,
Speaker 2: if I have this ten thousand dollar dog it goes missing,
Speaker 2: I say, dog's missing. Here's a reward two K. And
Speaker 2: then you give the dog back, you make some cash.
Speaker 1: Is that we were talking. I didn't think it was
Speaker 1: that deep. Oh. I was thinking more like people want
Speaker 1: the type of dog, but they don't want to pay
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, so they see Like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what's worse. Let's do a show of hands. We've got
Speaker 2: four people in the room.
Speaker 1: What's worse.
Speaker 2: Somebody stealing the pet for the payday of the reward
Speaker 2: of giving it back, or somebody stealing a pet because
Speaker 2: they want that pet and can't afford it.
Speaker 1: The latter is way worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the latter is working it because just
Speaker 2: being like I want that dog and I'm not going
Speaker 2: to pay for it.
Speaker 1: I never really understood the crazy about dogs like, in fact,
Speaker 1: I wrote it quite a scape.
Speaker 2: She's very confusing because chiuahas are a huge part of your.
Speaker 1: Virtual, massive, massive the idea of them. But I will
Speaker 1: say we have a family dog called Pepper, a toy poodle.
Speaker 1: She's a cutest dog on earth, and it's very confusing.
Speaker 1: My sister just sends me photos of Pepper sleeping with
Speaker 1: her body curled up with her head on the pillow.
Speaker 1: And when I see that animal like, I finally understand
Speaker 1: why people love pets.
Speaker 2: When did this family dog come to be twenty ten?
Speaker 1: Should know last legs? And when she dies, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be actually just start loving her about five years ago.
Speaker 1: But actually no, maybe even the last year. She's become
Speaker 1: very posed these timelines. Guys, I know my limits. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do yeah anyway, so watch out if you
Speaker 1: lose a pet. There is such a thing called a
Speaker 1: pet detective. Google Guardian pet detective and then you'll probably
Speaker 1: find someone. But yeah, one detective found this woman's four
Speaker 1: chuabas in a boot of a car that it was
Speaker 1: like so good to be reunited with her.
Speaker 2: Doggies, Listen, it's okay to be embarrassing. We have said
Speaker 2: before that being cringe is on the direct path to
Speaker 2: being successful in any manner of the way. So we
Speaker 2: don't want to pretend that embarrassment isn't a necessary part
Speaker 2: of life, but I do think we can take some
Speaker 2: precautions to ensure that we're not embarrassing ourselves for no
Speaker 2: good reason. Tell me why a video of Hailey Bieber
Speaker 2: is surfacing on my on my feet and plenty of
Speaker 2: feeds around the world. World. What we witness is Hailey
Speaker 2: Bieber being filmed from almost a bird's eye view, top
Speaker 2: down right to give the impression that somebody is filming
Speaker 2: her close up, and she's kind of looking at the
Speaker 2: camera and looking away and talking and kind of responding.
Speaker 2: And the video that I saw didn't have any sounds,
Speaker 2: so what we could gather is that she was being
Speaker 2: filmed by Justin and then she was kind of responding
Speaker 2: to his compliments, giggling, looking away, being coy. Why did
Speaker 2: some eagle eyed fan or hater decide to screenshot the
Speaker 2: video zoom into her pupil for a reflection that showed
Speaker 2: Hailey's arm holding the phone stop. I can't what do
Speaker 2: you have to be going through to be experiencing that?
Speaker 2: I can tell you Haley and Justin have been married
Speaker 2: since twenty eighteen. Number one. That's a long time, and
Speaker 2: that whole relationship they've been fighting allegations of not being
Speaker 2: in love on her end. People are so convinced that
Speaker 2: she's in love with Justin on Justin's and people are
Speaker 2: convinced that he is not in love with her, that
Speaker 2: he's in love with Selena, and that he's in this
Speaker 2: relationship out of convenience because it's nice to have someone
Speaker 2: dote on you. For those who do not know, Hailey
Speaker 2: Bieber was a very very very intense Justin Bieber fan,
Speaker 2: a fanatic. She went to meet and greets all of that.
Speaker 2: So her trajectory from fan to wife.
Speaker 1: She killed it.
Speaker 2: Plenty of us are looking for the rule book now.
Speaker 2: The interesting thing is because the Internet has been poking
Speaker 2: holes in their relationship. Once you see it, you can't
Speaker 2: unsee it. And there have been heaps of instances where
Speaker 2: Justin has been fanning the flames of that narrative of
Speaker 2: not being in love with her, not wanting to be
Speaker 2: with her. One of them was recently when Selena and
Speaker 2: Kylie were bullying Haley on the internet or her fans
Speaker 2: it's conjecture at this point, but basically, there was bullying
Speaker 2: happening on the internet. It was getting very obvious that
Speaker 2: Selena was saying things that would then carry on to
Speaker 2: Haley's fans, and Hailey would get bullied and vice versa.
Speaker 2: I said at that point in time, and I said
Speaker 2: this on radio, that all of this could be squashed
Speaker 2: if Justin would just clear it up. Yep, stand by
Speaker 2: your wife and say, hey, I don't know what you
Speaker 2: guys are talking about. I don't care. I love my wife.
Speaker 2: Don't talk about us. Zip Lips. Didn't say anything, didn't
Speaker 2: infer anything, just went about living his life and posting
Speaker 2: Tell me why not. Weeks later, I'm at Coachella, Frank
Speaker 2: Ocean does the worst performance of his life. The whole
Speaker 2: Internet's like this was terrible. Why does Justin climb out
Speaker 2: of his hole to start making posts in defense of
Speaker 2: Frank Ocean? You guys don't understand this guy's amazing? La
Speaker 2: la la. I'm with you, bro all the way. Where
Speaker 2: is this energy for your wife? It was not there,
Speaker 2: which makes me think. And I've got a quick question
Speaker 2: for you for on a scale of one to ten,
Speaker 2: or maybe one to cringe. How bad is this really
Speaker 2: faking an intimate moment with your partner to present a
Speaker 2: united front? And secondly, what lengths would you go to
Speaker 2: to present a united I feel like I've.
Speaker 1: Done much worse really, just like in terms of it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of reminds me of like the hand in
Speaker 1: the shot, Like if I'm hanging out with a with
Speaker 1: a man friend, I'm gonna be putting it on the story.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 2: E like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I think like I think it's cute. I just
Speaker 1: I'm just really trying in this life to just not
Speaker 1: think anything ever is cringe, because I think the cringe
Speaker 1: thing is to like be mean.
Speaker 2: I think it's sad. Yeah, it's not even like cringe
Speaker 2: implies like a little bit of humor to it or
Speaker 2: like there's something quite laughable. But if you just put
Speaker 2: the facts on the table, you've been with someone for
Speaker 2: five six seven, they've been married for five years, maybe
Speaker 2: together for six or seven years, but you've spent this
Speaker 2: whole relationship trying trying to prove to the world that
Speaker 2: you are solid, you are fine. Maybe you know the
Speaker 2: paparazzi called us looking onhappy. But that's what they do.
Speaker 2: They manufacture these moments. We are fine, we are happy,
Speaker 2: and you've gone out of your way to manufacture an
Speaker 2: intimate moment that did not happen. It is not real.
Speaker 2: How do you come back from that? Do you just
Speaker 2: not address it? And maybe she doesn't have to address
Speaker 2: it right now, but the time will come, you know.
Speaker 2: I feel as though a lot of people can delude
Speaker 2: themselves into thinking that their situation isn't as bad as
Speaker 2: it is because they can present the United Front and say, well,
Speaker 2: if you take the right photos and say the right things,
Speaker 2: then people weren't read between the lines. Things are not
Speaker 2: that air tight.
Speaker 1: Flex ands flexi. We have been speaking recently about sport,
Speaker 1: yes people, the act of playing a sport YEP and
Speaker 1: one thing that I realized when I was watching the
Speaker 1: Matildas I was very very privy to the commentary when
Speaker 1: I watched the game. I watched it once in a pub,
Speaker 1: once at the actual field amazing, and then the third
Speaker 1: time at a friend's house with a bunch of girls,
Speaker 1: so all very different scenarios. The first time that I
Speaker 1: watched the game was when I was at the stadium
Speaker 1: and I realized that, Like I was looking at the
Speaker 1: players and like looking at their hair, or like looking
Speaker 1: at mary dog gloves on, and like looking at Samco's boots.
Speaker 1: And I was going to put a story out being like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I love the chicken the pink boots
Speaker 1: as a joke, but I was like, this is going
Speaker 1: to be lost on everyone. They're going to know that
Speaker 1: I'm not joking anyway. Then when I was at the pub,
Speaker 1: I was sitting near this table of guys and I'm
Speaker 1: always like very interested in, you know, the typical sport
Speaker 1: person who enjoys sport at the pub, which is this
Speaker 1: stereotypical Australian man, and how they kind of like we'll
Speaker 1: swear at the TV or do this and that. And
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, when they're watching women, is that
Speaker 1: going to change, Like are they going to say, oh,
Speaker 1: you b word like da da. And there was a
Speaker 1: guy in the pub doing that, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is so interesting hearing you say it. It sounds
Speaker 1: so eatful. Yeah, because I already have this already sensitive
Speaker 1: to it, so sensitive to it, and also have grown
Speaker 1: up like in footy watching kind of like things environment environments.
Speaker 1: Then I'm watching with a bunch of girlfriends at home
Speaker 1: and we were talking about how it's so hard to
Speaker 1: not comment on the way the players look, and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, trying to deduce in my own mind,
Speaker 1: like is this just something that we do to all
Speaker 1: people that are visual on TV or because then we
Speaker 1: were saying oh. At the same time, it was when
Speaker 1: that AFL player I don't know his name, got his
Speaker 1: shirt ripped off and everyone's like, oh, we objectifying therasy
Speaker 1: like sleigh, And I was thinking, how like catching myself
Speaker 1: like wanting to say, oh, that person looks like this
Speaker 1: or this person looks like this. But then we were
Speaker 1: talking to group, being like, oh, we actually don't want to.
Speaker 2: Do that, and especially now because we realize that under
Speaker 2: the umbrella of commenting on people's bodies, it's also positively
Speaker 2: commenting or what we attribute to be a positive comment you, oh,
Speaker 2: like have you been working out or you look so
Speaker 2: toned or whatever it might be. It's like, place, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a tricky one.
Speaker 1: I thought about it with you, like when I used
Speaker 1: to comment on like the outfits who you were wearing,
Speaker 1: Like even there's so many little nuances to commenting on
Speaker 1: what people are wearing or doing like perceiving someone and
Speaker 1: making it very obvious that is then permissible for other
Speaker 1: people to do it. Yeah, sometimes also not favorable.
Speaker 2: So and to clarify what we were discussing as a couple
Speaker 2: of months ago. For me, the best way I can
Speaker 2: put it is the relationship that threw me and I
Speaker 2: have can also bleed out into the environment that we're
Speaker 2: in because we like to invite everybody into what we're doing,
Speaker 2: what we're saying, and how we're communicating, and it can
Speaker 2: be very tricky for other people to determine. I can
Speaker 2: imagine how to engage with us based on this standard
Speaker 2: that we've set of like openness and everybody's invited and
Speaker 2: it's outgoing. And so for me, would comment on what
Speaker 2: I was wearing, like, oh I like this outfit, or
Speaker 2: you know FLEX is wearing this day, it's out for today, whatever,
Speaker 2: And I used to tell her not to do it,
Speaker 2: not because I didn't want her to comment on what
Speaker 2: I look like, but I've been in a lot of
Speaker 2: environments where other people comment on what I look like
Speaker 2: and I can't tell if it's positive or derogatory, And
Speaker 2: because they would see through me doing it and it's
Speaker 2: set to standard of how to do it. I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you actually feel about me though.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about my outfit. I
Speaker 2: don't know how you feel about my makeup. So I
Speaker 2: don't want anyone to talk about it in an environment
Speaker 2: where it's going to encourage everybody else to start doing
Speaker 2: it as well. So it's more like a behavioral thing,
Speaker 2: like instead of us. It's easier for us to assess
Speaker 2: how we do us around other people than to start
Speaker 2: making rules for each individual person that observes us being friends.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly flex and free. I like that FLEXI would
Speaker 1: you swim in shark infested waters? Yes, I swim.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you have to perpetuate stereotypes. It's epigenetic trauma for me.
Speaker 2: I know where my ancestors came from.
Speaker 1: Important.
Speaker 2: What I will say though, is I'm happy to get
Speaker 2: in the water, float around, enjoy myself. I like a pool,
Speaker 2: I like a spa, I like a hot tub. I
Speaker 2: don't love a beach. I don't love an.
Speaker 1: Ocean, A wide ocean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think if there are animals in it,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be in it.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately it's like not knowing where your food comes from.
Speaker 1: Like it's very easy to just be in the water
Speaker 1: and think there's not fishes here. Then I go on
Speaker 1: the Bondye Shark drone and I'm seeing actual whales below swimmers.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's real out there, guys. I went to
Speaker 1: the National Park to a place called Flint and Steel
Speaker 1: Beach pretty.
Speaker 2: Sure Northern Oh said it's an arrow away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a narroway from bond Eye And going down into
Speaker 1: the National Reserve, we chat to the chick who's like
Speaker 1: the park ranger, and we're like, oh, we like brought
Speaker 1: our bathers. We just happened to bring up on in
Speaker 1: to swim, and she's like, you shouldn't swim. You're like, what,
Speaker 1: like there's no signage, like we've randomly brought up swimming
Speaker 1: to you. She's like, it's bull shark breeding season. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't swim there. And we thought, what the hell, because
Speaker 1: you know, you got.
Speaker 2: A discern is it like a duty of care from
Speaker 2: a corporation or like a girly to girly.
Speaker 1: And my friend is like, I've looked on all the
Speaker 1: like trail things like telling us about hikes, and they
Speaker 1: said it's fine. To swim there. We're the only people
Speaker 1: on the beach. Why do I go in?
Speaker 2: Why are you playing with fire? If she if the
Speaker 2: person literally at the entrance to your utopia saying it's
Speaker 2: not safe there for you, baby, it's hell out here.
Speaker 2: It's horror. It's shark infested waters. You can't double back
Speaker 2: and say, I've actually been on the website. I said
Speaker 2: it's fine. What was the website published two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: We'll put a photo in this. I looked over across
Speaker 1: the water from a large van. I scanned like there
Speaker 1: was nothing. There was not even fish in the water,
Speaker 1: Like it was just.
Speaker 2: Like I was in Greek reading season.
Speaker 1: So they're gonna come around the corner and bite your
Speaker 1: dick off. I wasn't the only one there. I wasn't,
Speaker 1: So you're sam, Yeah, babe, got down in the cozies.
Speaker 1: Considered a little nudy moment, but too much, too much
Speaker 1: deliciousness to blame it.
Speaker 2: This is such a far cry from the through me
Speaker 2: of four months ago, who almost drowned in Balley got
Speaker 2: caught in a rip was parodying, I might even say,
Speaker 2: preaching sea and being safety now is saying rip is
Speaker 2: a no go, but shark infested waders were happy to see.
Speaker 1: How we go there in a in an area which
Speaker 1: you can't get to buy a ambulance. One k hike anyway,
Speaker 1: Flint Steel Beach guys, once bull season is over, highly
Speaker 1: recommend was gorgeous sat sign making on a orange rock.
Speaker 1: After all, he said, it was honestly like magical.
Speaker 2: And you came up drenched and she was like, you
Speaker 2: guys did it?
Speaker 1: Dumb bitch idiots. You've been listening to The Flex and
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