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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda gam Nation. When Harry's book came out,

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Speaker 1: I thought, I'm glad I'm on holidays because I don't

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Speaker 1: want to read it and I don't want to have

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Speaker 1: to be across it. Of course, being human right now

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Speaker 1: means that I've read bits about it, because it's everywhere.

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Speaker 1: It seems to be people who are in two camps.

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Speaker 1: If you don't want to read it, if you don't

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Speaker 1: like him or what he and Megan are doing, you're

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Speaker 1: not going to read it, and you'll vilify him. And

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Speaker 1: if you like him, you'll read it and you'll be

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Speaker 1: charmed by it exactly.

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Speaker 2: You'll read it to arm yourself with facts to defend him.

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Speaker 1: And I've got friends who say that they really liked it,

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Speaker 1: and they feel attacked at dinner parties for saying so.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's the new hot button topic at dinner parties,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. You can't go to a group setting anymore

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Speaker 2: without some argument breaking out about team Harry, team Meg's,

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Speaker 2: team will team Kate?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, the book sold a few copies in the first ay,

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Speaker 2: one point four million, broke all the records. Spare It's

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Speaker 2: called as we know now. Gosh, there are just so many,

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Speaker 2: many things to talk about from this book, but I

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Speaker 2: thought i'd bring you three of the big headlines or moments.

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Speaker 2: So everyone is talking about Harry's relationship with Will.

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Speaker 1: It breaks my heart.

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Speaker 2: It's in the toilet. It's completely in the toilet, if

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Speaker 2: it wasn't already. The book details constant struggles between them,

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Speaker 2: Harry calling him his beloved brother and his arch nemesis.

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Speaker 2: So really this competitive nature to their relationship throughout their

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Speaker 2: entire life, so pre Meghan, yes, so not just Meghan.

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Speaker 2: But then, of course we have heard about this physical

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Speaker 2: fight that came out in one of the many interviews

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Speaker 2: that he did pre book release, where there was an

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Speaker 2: argument that got out of hand. William had called Meghan

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Speaker 2: difficult and rude and abrasive. Things escalated and basically Will's

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Speaker 2: grabbed Harry by the collar, ripped his necklace, knocked him

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Speaker 2: to the floor, and he landed on the dog bowl,

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Speaker 2: which cracked under his back and cut it and cut him.

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Speaker 2: Pieces in his back cut him. And yeah, apparently that's

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Speaker 2: basically was the end of the Will Harry relationship as

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Speaker 2: we know it. But I've got a brother and we

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Speaker 2: used to fight to fight.

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Speaker 1: Now, how do we have his front tooth chipped by

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Speaker 1: his brother.

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Speaker 2: My dad's fiftieth No caterer had to stand in between us, oh,

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Speaker 2: because we had a few drinks, So it happens. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I do think there's the sibling rivalry element, but when

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Speaker 2: you amp that up to a billion, with the whole

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Speaker 2: royal nature and the air and spare thing, I think

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Speaker 2: that that's really played into their relationship. How could it not.

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Speaker 1: But if you looked at any family, you would find

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Speaker 1: these stories, which is what makes me uncomfortable with his

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Speaker 1: airing them.

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Speaker 2: Well, he did say that in his defense. If he

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Speaker 2: doesn't say them, if they're not from his mouth, in

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Speaker 2: his words, then the tabloids will spin their narrative. And

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Speaker 2: if he stays silent, he loses. If he speaks, he loses,

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Speaker 2: which I do think is an interesting point.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I want sympath, huge sympathy for him exactly.

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Speaker 2: One of the other major headlines, and probably the most

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Speaker 2: harrowing part of his story, is just how he came

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Speaker 2: to terms with Diana's death, or rather didn't come to

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Speaker 2: terms with it. He writes about sort of feeling for

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Speaker 2: years after her death that she hadn't died, that she

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Speaker 2: had faked a disappearance, and that he just fully expected

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Speaker 2: that she would come home one day and she would

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Speaker 2: it wasn't till he was a twenty three year old

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Speaker 2: visited the tunnel that she died in in the car

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Speaker 2: he had to see for himself. He writes about having

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Speaker 1: Poor man. Wow, it's harrowing stuff, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then you know, from the sad to the juicy,

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Speaker 2: we get a bit of Camilla Goths too, of course

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Speaker 2: we do. I hadn't really thought about how much her

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Speaker 2: reputation has been rehabilitated, but it certainly has when you

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Speaker 2: think about how she was treated, you know, many years

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Speaker 1: But that for Harry, what does it mean for him?

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Speaker 2: He was sacrificed. This is a quote from Spare. He

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Speaker 2: says Camilla had sacrificed me on her personal pr altar.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean though? How does he less if

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Speaker 1: she's better?

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Speaker 2: I think if there were resources and time spent towards

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Speaker 2: trying to prop her up positively in the British press,

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Speaker 2: that maybe at that same time it meant throwing him

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Speaker 2: under the bas leaking stories that were negative to distract.

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Speaker 1: When I look at the history from Henry the Eighth

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Speaker 1: to write through the royal family will protect itself, and

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Speaker 1: I know he's in the family. The crown will protect itself,

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Speaker 1: the air will protect They protect the air, and that's

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Speaker 1: what he's saying. Yes, but that is not surprising that

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Speaker 1: they have had to rehabilitate Camilla Parker Boles because she

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Speaker 1: is married to the future king, the now king exactly so.

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Speaker 1: And I think think that everyone has seen that this

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Speaker 1: is a weird family. We all get that it's a

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Speaker 1: weird family, but it almost took an outsider Megan to

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Speaker 1: say to Harry, have you seen how weird this family is?

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Speaker 1: For him to step outside and go, this is strange

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Speaker 1: if you're in it and you know it. Even as

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Speaker 1: the colonials, we know it. We know what that family

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Speaker 1: is and what the royal family is, and I don't

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Speaker 1: expect it to be without all of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, coming to terms with you know from childhood

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Speaker 2: that you don't really matter as much as your big brother,

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Speaker 2: and no matter how much your parents love you or

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Speaker 2: what anyone in the media says about you, the fact

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Speaker 2: that he knows, well, it's all about William his whole life.

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Speaker 1: Was this something in there. Even a friend of mine

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Speaker 1: was saying that even if his organs had to be harvested,

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Speaker 1: she read somewhere that he even if the air needs

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Speaker 1: a kidney, right, that's.

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Speaker 2: You my brother's Yeah, oh imagine that. It's like it's

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Speaker 2: this book My Sister's Keeper, where she has to a

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Speaker 2: sister is born, to donate steps to keep a sister alike. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's Charles famously said, He's done his job. I've got

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Speaker 2: the air and I've got this. I wouldn't be going

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Speaker 2: to my brother for his brain, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Are you. You both say I haven't got my family,

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Speaker 1: but you can't Emma. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Pleasure caterer time of mere dot com today you all

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Speaker 2: the best of the new year. By the way, thank

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