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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just answers.

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Speaker 2: Now when I'm feeling angry, if I lose it, which

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Speaker 2: does happen from time to time, if it's all just

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Speaker 2: too much. The one thing that I respond best to

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Speaker 2: Happy Families podcast are doing. Hello, I'm doctor Justin Colson,

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Speaker 2: the parenting expert on Channel nine's Parental Guidance. Season two

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Speaker 2: to be such a great season. I'm here with Kylie,

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Speaker 2: my wife and mum to our six children, one of

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Speaker 2: whom lost the plot last night. Again Kylie, as she

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Speaker 2: does most days.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's winter and I thought that it might be

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Speaker 2: To excuse me, Can I just mention this, It's only

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Speaker 2: winter for one more week, one more week, and winter.

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Speaker 3: And we were on top of everything, and so I thought,

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Speaker 4: I swear, I need to cancel that subscription, but anyway,

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Speaker 3: And so she was okay with it until she wasn't

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Speaker 3: a few different reasons. Anyway, her emotions escalated. She threw

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Speaker 3: And I thought, I wonder how this is going to end.

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Speaker 2: And we don't want to give them any love or

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Speaker 3: For me, it doesn't reinforce the behavior. It actually helps

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Speaker 2: Let me say it really clearly after a tantrum or

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Speaker 2: A meltdown, a temper, tantrum, it's not quote unquote bad behavior.

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Speaker 2: So last night, one thing that you did when our

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Speaker 2: You didn't let your ego get in the way. Now,

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Speaker 2: negotiation because frankly, she was going to watch an episode

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Speaker 2: But ultimately, so long as she does both of those things,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was your ego got in the way.

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Speaker 4: And you did. For a few hours.

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Speaker 4: I also said, in.

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Speaker 3: And I said yes, and I was going to be

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Speaker 2: So eventually you guys repaired that rupture as well, because

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Speaker 2: And offer to be with them, or offer for them

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Speaker 4: Fair, Fair, Then why are you.

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Speaker 2: What you're doing as you're teaching how to repair a rupture,

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Speaker 2: you're teaching them that even though they are having a

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Speaker 2: you're on their side. You can figure this stuff out

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